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Jess Phillips sacks an aide
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The Todal
2020-01-14 12:24:35 UTC
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Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.

Quote (re the aide, Mrs Hamid)

In one message in 2015 addressed directly to Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, she appeared to equate Israel with terrorists in
Islamic State, writing: ‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law?
Hilarious! Isis are terrible too. So really there is no difference.’

In another Twitter exchange, Ms Hamid wrote: ‘We must show the world
that “Israel” is the murderer!’ She also claimed that ‘Israel IS
inflicting Holocaust conditions on Palestinians! Oppressive, racist and
violent!’

Mrs Hamid did draw a distinction between Jews – ‘a faith based on peace
and love’ – and Israel or ‘Zionists’. But Denny Taylor, spokesman for
Labour Against Antisemitism, said: ‘These offensive tweets are, in our
opinion, antisemitic and it is right that Jess Phillips has acted
quickly and suspended her office manager.’
Incubus
2020-01-14 13:15:54 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
Quote (re the aide, Mrs Hamid)
In one message in 2015 addressed directly to Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, she appeared to equate Israel with terrorists in
Islamic State, writing: ‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law?
Hilarious! Isis are terrible too. So really there is no difference.’
In another Twitter exchange, Ms Hamid wrote: ‘We must show the world
that “Israel” is the murderer!’ She also claimed that ‘Israel IS
inflicting Holocaust conditions on Palestinians! Oppressive, racist and
violent!’
Mrs Hamid did draw a distinction between Jews – ‘a faith based on peace
and love’ – and Israel or ‘Zionists’. But Denny Taylor, spokesman for
Labour Against Antisemitism, said: ‘These offensive tweets are, in our
opinion, antisemitic and it is right that Jess Phillips has acted
quickly and suspended her office manager.’
I think Angela Rayner should be leader. She's rather upfront.



At least she'd be able to distract the opposition.
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-14 13:17:00 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
The Brummie twat should be suspended from the Labour Party for her
Islamophobic®™ attitude to the Brum primary school 'Iqbal has two
daddies' protests!
Peeler
2020-01-14 15:27:09 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
The Brummie twat should be suspended from the Labour Party for her
Islamophobic®™ attitude to the Brum primary school 'Iqbal has two
daddies' protests!
If someone wanted to hear an asshole, they'd have farted, filthy dreckserb!
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Pancho
2020-01-14 13:43:54 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
More relevant is the 10 pledges against anti-Semitism that leadership
candidates are signing up for. One would have hoped that at least one
candidate would have offered voters a genuine choice.

The Labour party is pathetic, if it is too weak to stand up to the
ludicrous demands of the Zionist "Jewish representative bodies", what
possible reason do we have to believe they could stand up to anyone.

Negotiate brexit, yeah right! The EU would have pissed all over them.
The Todal
2020-01-15 11:42:33 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
More relevant is the 10 pledges against anti-Semitism that leadership
candidates are signing up for. One would have hoped that at least one
candidate would have offered voters a genuine choice.
The Labour party is pathetic, if it is too weak to stand up to the
ludicrous demands of the Zionist "Jewish representative bodies", what
possible reason do we have to believe they could stand up to anyone.
Negotiate brexit, yeah right! The EU would have pissed all over them.
I agree.

The haste with which these leadership candidates have signed up to
pledges that were written by the conservative, Tory-supporting Board of
Deputies is a scandal.

As many have pointed out, however, anyone elected as leader of the party
does not have the right to change the rulebook unilaterally. The notion
that the leader must personally take charge of complaints contravenes
the current rulebook. The notion that if anyone is suspended, any member
speaking up for that person must also be suspended, is plainly both
unreasonable and impractical.

So perhaps the candidates are cynical enough to think: yes, we'll sign
up to your preposterous pledges but, like Boris Johnson, we'll say "I
was unable to implement these promises because others have obstructed my
wishes".
Pancho
2020-01-15 14:50:39 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Pancho
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise
parliamentary legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to
criticism of Israel.
More relevant is the 10 pledges against anti-Semitism that leadership
candidates are signing up for. One would have hoped that at least one
candidate would have offered voters a genuine choice.
The Labour party is pathetic, if it is too weak to stand up to the
ludicrous demands of the Zionist "Jewish representative bodies", what
possible reason do we have to believe they could stand up to anyone.
Negotiate brexit, yeah right! The EU would have pissed all over them.
I agree.
The haste with which these leadership candidates have signed up to
pledges that were written by the conservative, Tory-supporting Board of
Deputies is a scandal.
As many have pointed out, however, anyone elected as leader of the party
does not have the right to change the rulebook unilaterally. The notion
that the leader must personally take charge of complaints contravenes
the current rulebook. The notion that if anyone is suspended, any member
speaking up for that person must also be suspended, is plainly both
unreasonable and impractical.
So perhaps the candidates are cynical enough to think: yes, we'll sign
up to your preposterous pledges but, like Boris Johnson, we'll say "I
was unable to implement these promises because others have obstructed my
wishes".
Perhaps you are right, Bismark said: politics is the art of the
possible. This is probably the grown up approach, but I think at some
point the Labour party has to be brave enough to reject the narrative of
the ruling classes. There is no point in another Tony Blair. Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.

Hopefully Bernie will learn from Corbyn and do better in the USA.
Pamela
2020-01-16 12:10:36 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by The Todal
Post by Pancho
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise
parliamentary legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to
criticism of Israel.
More relevant is the 10 pledges against anti-Semitism that leadership
candidates are signing up for. One would have hoped that at least one
candidate would have offered voters a genuine choice.
The Labour party is pathetic, if it is too weak to stand up to the
ludicrous demands of the Zionist "Jewish representative bodies", what
possible reason do we have to believe they could stand up to anyone.
Negotiate brexit, yeah right! The EU would have pissed all over them.
I agree.
The haste with which these leadership candidates have signed up to
pledges that were written by the conservative, Tory-supporting Board of
Deputies is a scandal.
As many have pointed out, however, anyone elected as leader of the
party does not have the right to change the rulebook unilaterally. The
notion that the leader must personally take charge of complaints
contravenes the current rulebook. The notion that if anyone is
suspended, any member speaking up for that person must also be
suspended, is plainly both unreasonable and impractical.
So perhaps the candidates are cynical enough to think: yes, we'll sign
up to your preposterous pledges but, like Boris Johnson, we'll say "I
was unable to implement these promises because others have obstructed
my wishes".
Perhaps you are right, Bismark said: politics is the art of the
possible. This is probably the grown up approach, but I think at some
point the Labour party has to be brave enough to reject the narrative of
the ruling classes. There is no point in another Tony Blair.
Seems a Tony Blair might be the only hope of getting Labour enough votes
to be re-elected.
Post by Pancho
Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.
It didn't work for Corbyn.
Joe
2020-01-16 12:40:31 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 12:10:36 GMT
Post by Pamela
Seems a Tony Blair might be the only hope of getting Labour enough
votes to be re-elected.
And why do you suppose that was? Maybe Labour would be successful if
they offered policies, and an overall direction, that most people
wanted. That's one they haven't tried.
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.
It didn't work for Corbyn.
It didn't work for Corbyn, just as it didn't work for Foot, because the
people of the UK, as a whole, are not interested in student-union
Communism, and definitely not interested in Stalin/Kim Communism which
is the end result. The few that are, are constantly growing older and
learning more, and almost all of them drop it when they are wiser. The
only ones who don't are generally involved with trades unions.

The sacred cows are now that of political 'correctness', which is
anything but. No political party shows any will to challenge that.
--
Joe
Pancho
2020-01-16 14:51:29 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Perhaps you are right, Bismark said: politics is the art of the
possible. This is probably the grown up approach, but I think at some
point the Labour party has to be brave enough to reject the narrative of
the ruling classes. There is no point in another Tony Blair.
Seems a Tony Blair might be the only hope of getting Labour enough votes
to be re-elected.
Tony Blair's was the worst government of my lifetime. I can't think of
anything good about it. A lying war criminal who destroyed the economy.
His refusal to limit immigration laid the foundations for our withdrawal
from the EU

Getting elected should not be the goal, affecting good policy should be
the goal. Farage was effective, without electoral victory.
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.
It didn't work for Corbyn.
No, Corbyn was dismal. The only real interesting thing about Corbyn was
the reaction against him. The anti-Semitism allegations were almost
comic in their unreasonableness. For the past few decades the
left/progressive movement tried to establish its goals with
unreasonable/unfair dogma. It was then hoist by its own petard, victim
culture.

However, unfair distribution of wealth, limiting the power of
multinational companies and the need for supranational government are
issues that should be tackled.

A powerful left leader could advocate sensible ways forward.
The Todal
2020-01-16 17:53:19 UTC
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Post by Pancho
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Perhaps you are right, Bismark said: politics is the art of the
possible. This is probably the grown up approach, but I think at some
point the Labour party has to be brave enough to reject the narrative of
the ruling classes. There is no point in another Tony Blair.
Seems a Tony Blair might be the only hope of getting Labour enough votes
to be re-elected.
Tony Blair's was the worst government of my lifetime. I can't think of
anything good about it. A lying war criminal who destroyed the economy.
His refusal to limit immigration laid the foundations for our withdrawal
from the EU
Getting elected should not be the goal, affecting good policy should be
the goal. Farage was effective, without electoral victory.
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.
It didn't work for Corbyn.
No, Corbyn was dismal. The only real interesting thing about Corbyn was
the reaction against him. The anti-Semitism allegations were almost
comic in their unreasonableness. For the past few decades the
left/progressive movement tried to establish its goals with
unreasonable/unfair dogma. It was then hoist by its own petard, victim
culture.
However, unfair distribution of wealth, limiting the power of
multinational companies and  the need for supranational government are
issues that should be tackled.
A powerful left leader could advocate sensible ways forward.
It now looks to be a closely run race between Keir Starmer and Rebecca
Long Bailey, with the others trailing far behind.

Long Bailey 42%
Starmer 37%
Phillips 9%
Nandy 7%
Thornberry 1%

Momentum will be arranging to phone all Labour Party members to persuade
them to vote for Rebecca Long Bailey. The right wing of the party,
"Progress" has launched a "Reclaiming Labour" campaign which aims to
prevent Long Bailey being chosen as leader. Another right wing
organisation, "Labour First", has the same aim.

As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.

From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity to
save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if we
all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support our
crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.

From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour party.
During the past year you've joined together in taking action to rid the
Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris Williamson, you've
supported Jewish members in calling for a movement where we can all feel
safe and valued. Will you join us and help build a party that says no to
racism once and for all?

From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour
Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a long
time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to make
sure she wins.
GB
2020-01-16 18:05:24 UTC
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Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
Post by The Todal
From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity to
save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if we
all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support our
crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.
From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour party.
During the past year you've joined together in taking action to rid the
Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris Williamson, you've
supported Jewish members in calling for a movement where we can all feel
safe and valued. Will you join us and help build a party that says no to
racism once and for all?
From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour
Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a long
time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to make
sure she wins.
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
Fredxx
2020-01-16 20:03:20 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members
i speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of
whom is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
He won on a promise to take the UK out of the EU. That is why he won.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
 From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity
to save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if
we all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support
our crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.
 From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour
party. During the past year you've joined together in taking action to
rid the Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris
Williamson, you've supported Jewish members in calling for a movement
where we can all feel safe and valued. Will you join us and help build
a party that says no to racism once and for all?
 From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for
Labour Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a
long time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to
make sure she wins.
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
I agree. Lessons seem not to be learnt. Boris will simply be PM for
another term.
jew watch
2020-01-16 20:17:49 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 18:05:24 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
Post by The Todal
From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity to
save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if we
all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support our
crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.
From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour party.
During the past year you've joined together in taking action to rid the
Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris Williamson, you've
supported Jewish members in calling for a movement where we can all feel
safe and valued. Will you join us and help build a party that says no to
racism once and for all?
From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour
Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a long
time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to make
sure she wins.
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
By which time you'll be back in 'Israeel', insh'Allah!
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2020-01-16 21:37:23 UTC
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Post by jew watch
Post by GB
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
By which time you'll be back in 'Israeel', insh'Allah!
Your idiotic psychopathic standard lines are getting BORING, psychopath!
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The Todal
2020-01-16 22:14:35 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members
i speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of
whom is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
Post by The Todal
 From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity
to save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if
we all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support
our crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.
 From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour
party. During the past year you've joined together in taking action to
rid the Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris
Williamson, you've supported Jewish members in calling for a movement
where we can all feel safe and valued. Will you join us and help build
a party that says no to racism once and for all?
 From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for
Labour Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a
long time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to
make sure she wins.
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
To be frank, Labour needs a "big hitter" who can stand up to Boris
Johnson in the Commons. I don't really know whether Rebecca Long Bailey,
a devout catholic who only became an MP in 2015 and who generally speaks
in cliches, is more left wing than the other candidates but I think she
would be hopelessly outclassed in the Commons. I hope other members of
Momentum and of the Labour Party will agree.
Incubus
2020-01-17 10:44:32 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
Perhaps the public think Johnson is more principled and honest than Comrade
Corbyn.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
From Labour First: This leadership election is a serious opportunity to
save the party from the Hard Left, but it will only be possible if we
all pull together, show up and be counted. If you want to support our
crucial work please consider chipping in with a small donation here.
From Progress: One week left to stop antisemitism in the Labour party.
During the past year you've joined together in taking action to rid the
Labour party of racism. From George Galloway to Chris Williamson, you've
supported Jewish members in calling for a movement where we can all feel
safe and valued. Will you join us and help build a party that says no to
racism once and for all?
From Momentum: The results of the ballot are in, and we're delighted
that Momentum members have voted to back Rebecca Long-Bailey for Labour
Party leader and Angela Rayner for deputy! But there is still a long
time go, and we need to build a huge people-powered campaign to make
sure she wins.
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
Centrist parties inevitably get nowhere in Britain. It's not possible to have
a range of policies that appeal to everyone. Instead, you get a range of
policies that appeal to no one.
Pancho
2020-01-17 11:07:59 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
The election has just been won, by a landslide, by Boris. Maybe,
principled and honest is not what you need?
Perhaps the public think Johnson is more principled and honest than Comrade
Corbyn.
I doubt it. I suspect the public prioritise effectiveness above
principle and honesty.


[snip]
Post by Incubus
Post by GB
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
Centrist parties inevitably get nowhere in Britain. It's not possible to have
a range of policies that appeal to everyone. Instead, you get a range of
policies that appeal to no one.
Both the Tories and Labour have fractured recently. The very idea of a
centre is an illusion. Issues are not neatly split as left or right,
Brexit shows us this. I normally don't vote because I strongly oppose
the candidates I am offered.

One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
abelard
2020-01-18 14:28:36 UTC
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Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
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Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 15:42:26 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:07:59 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
Wasn’t that what the Tories did in the past? Change constituency boundaries
to get rid of working class wards from Tory marginals?

They obviously call it something different - such as “equalising the
constituency populations” but it is gerrymandering all the same.
abelard
2020-01-18 15:47:40 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:42:26 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:07:59 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
Wasn’t that what the Tories did in the past? Change constituency boundaries
to get rid of working class wards from Tory marginals?
They obviously call it something different - such as “equalising the
constituency populations” but it is gerrymandering all the same.
how is 'equalising' , gerrymandering?

please show your working
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Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 16:01:10 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:42:26 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:07:59 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
Wasn’t that what the Tories did in the past? Change constituency boundaries
to get rid of working class wards from Tory marginals?
They obviously call it something different - such as “equalising the
constituency populations” but it is gerrymandering all the same.
how is 'equalising' , gerrymandering?
please show your working
Tyne & Wear, Humberside, Merseyside, Avon (to name 4 which spring to mind)
were all taken out of classic English counties in order to get rid of
socialists from what would then become Tory shire strongholds.

A couple (North Lincolnshire and Avon) have managed to creep slowly away from
the gerrymandering ideal and re-intergrate themselves into Yoks/Lincs and
Glos/Somerset respectively.

But the Tories are still at it. In Bristol, where my daughter lives, it is so
‘inconvenient' having Clifton, Stoke Bishop and Westbury on Trym so close
to Avonmouth, Shirehampton and Southmead - so they keep fiddling with the
Bristol W and Bristol NW constituency boundaries in order to stop them all
becoming socialist.

So far, it still hasn’t worked and all four Bristol constituencies are
still Labour after last December elections.

Maybe the Tories should consult their gerrymandering expert, Shirley Porter?
Is she still alive and kicking?
Vidcapper
2020-01-18 15:54:17 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:07:59 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
Wasn’t that what the Tories did in the past? Change constituency boundaries
to get rid of working class wards from Tory marginals?
They obviously call it something different - such as “equalising the
constituency populations” but it is gerrymandering all the same.
The Tories were not in charge of boundary reviews - they are done by an
independent body specifically so that claims of bias have no justification.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 16:10:19 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by abelard
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 11:07:59 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
One small hope for Labour, under the new leader, is that recent
experience will move them towards a strong proportional representation
model for general elections.
yeah, if you can't win..frig the voting system
Wasn’t that what the Tories did in the past? Change constituency boundaries
to get rid of working class wards from Tory marginals?
They obviously call it something different - such as “equalising the
constituency populations” but it is gerrymandering all the same.
The Tories were not in charge of boundary reviews - they are done by an
independent body specifically so that claims of bias have no justification.
I wonder who chose the "independent body” members?

Would it have been the same kind of people who appoint someone with links to
the cladding firm (who did work on Grenfell) to advise on the inquiry into
Grenfell?

Or maybe the same kind of people who appointed a friend of Leon Britton to
head a child sex abuse inquiry into (amongst others) Leon Britton?

At least the pathetic excuses for the establishment have not become any less
in their naivety - which is comforting to know, as their comments can be
largely ignored.
Vidcapper
2020-01-18 06:50:55 UTC
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Post by Incubus
Post by GB
I suspect that the British public want a centrist Labour Party. If
Momentum succeeds in electing Long Bailey, all they are effectively
doing is handing the next general election to Boris on a platter.
Centrist parties inevitably get nowhere in Britain.
Did you somehow miss Blair's landslide majorities of 1997 & 2001?? They
were as centrist as Labour ever gets!

It's not possible to have
Post by Incubus
a range of policies that appeal to everyone. Instead, you get a range of
policies that appeal to no one.
I refer you to my above comment.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Joe
2020-01-18 09:28:28 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 06:50:55 +0000
Post by Vidcapper
Post by Incubus
Centrist parties inevitably get nowhere in Britain.
Did you somehow miss Blair's landslide majorities of 1997 & 2001??
They were as centrist as Labour ever gets!
You consider Gordon Brown a centrist?

There's never been a centrist party in Britain in my lifetime. The
Liberals/LibDems have always been to the left of Labour, at least until
recently.
Post by Vidcapper
It's not possible to have
Post by Incubus
a range of policies that appeal to everyone. Instead, you get a
range of policies that appeal to no one.
Yes, that's why committees can't make decisions, just rubberstamp
existing ones, after a few pre-meeting chats. It's why we have a
government, and not just a Parliament.
--
Joe
Joe
2020-01-16 18:34:30 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:53:19 +0000
none of whom is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
Who fell down badly on honesty about the EU, about how we could remain
in the Single Market or at least the customs union while pursuing a
policy of nationalisation. Who knew that we had to leave, who had
personally always opposed membership, but was prepared to 'lead' a
Remainer party. When the party eventually settled on 'Remain', that was
the cue for an honest leader who disagreed to resign.

I recall an interview with Corbyn, either just before or just after he
became leader. It was, as with all Labour people, about the
confiscation of wealth and its redistribution to Labour voters. The
interview was big on identifying problems in the UK, but anyone can do
that.

Not a word was spoken of solutions, other than the time-honoured and
utterly ineffectual money-throwing, and not a word either about the
creation of all this wealth that was to be distributed. Labour has
never had the slightest interest in creating wealth, only in
confiscating it. Which of the candidates speaks about wealth creation?
Clue, that's not the same thing as either printing or 'borrowing' money,
which are just subtracting wealth from the future.
--
Joe
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-16 18:51:19 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:53:19 +0000, Jon The Todal, a notorious semite
Post by The Todal
Post by Pancho
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Perhaps you are right, Bismark said: politics is the art of the
possible. This is probably the grown up approach, but I think at some
point the Labour party has to be brave enough to reject the narrative of
the ruling classes. There is no point in another Tony Blair.
Seems a Tony Blair might be the only hope of getting Labour enough votes
to be re-elected.
Tony Blair's was the worst government of my lifetime. I can't think of
anything good about it. A lying war criminal who destroyed the economy.
His refusal to limit immigration laid the foundations for our withdrawal
from the EU
Getting elected should not be the goal, affecting good policy should be
the goal. Farage was effective, without electoral victory.
Post by Pamela
Post by Pancho
Labour has
to go head to head with the MSM. Labour has to challenge the sacred cows.
It didn't work for Corbyn.
No, Corbyn was dismal. The only real interesting thing about Corbyn was
the reaction against him. The anti-Semitism allegations were almost
comic in their unreasonableness. For the past few decades the
left/progressive movement tried to establish its goals with
unreasonable/unfair dogma. It was then hoist by its own petard, victim
culture.
However, unfair distribution of wealth, limiting the power of
multinational companies and  the need for supranational government are
issues that should be tackled.
A powerful left leader could advocate sensible ways forward.
It now looks to be a closely run race between Keir Starmer and Rebecca
Long Bailey, with the others trailing far behind.
Long Bailey 42%
Starmer 37%
Phillips 9%
Nandy 7%
Thornberry 1%
Momentum will be arranging to phone all Labour Party members to persuade
them to vote for Rebecca Long Bailey. The right wing of the party,
"Progress" has launched a "Reclaiming Labour" campaign which aims to
prevent Long Bailey being chosen as leader. Another right wing
organisation, "Labour First", has the same aim.
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
That grubby unshaven Islington toerag is principled and honest???

Only a former shyster could think so.
Peeler
2020-01-16 20:00:47 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:51:19 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
That grubby unshaven Islington toerag is principled and honest???
Only a former shyster could think so.
Your predictable psychopathic bullshit is getting boring, dreckserb Razovic!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
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abelard
2020-01-18 14:24:53 UTC
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Post by The Todal
It now looks to be a closely run race between Keir Starmer and Rebecca
Long Bailey, with the others trailing far behind.
Long Bailey 42%
Starmer 37%
Phillips 9%
Nandy 7%
Thornberry 1%
Momentum will be arranging to phone all Labour Party members to persuade
them to vote for Rebecca Long Bailey. The right wing of the party,
"Progress" has launched a "Reclaiming Labour" campaign which aims to
prevent Long Bailey being chosen as leader. Another right wing
organisation, "Labour First", has the same aim.
the party has no 'right wing'...just variations on how
to seize power
Post by The Todal
As I'm on all their various mailing lists, I get to read their
increasingly fevered communications. However, the Labour Party members i
speak to are disappointed by the selection of candidates, none of whom
is as principled and honest as Jeremy Corbyn.
none of them are as mad either...and most of them are decidedly
thicker
--
www.abelard.org
Vidcapper
2020-01-17 07:07:52 UTC
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Post by Pancho
However, unfair distribution of wealth, limiting the power of
multinational companies and the need for supranational government are
issues that should be tackled.
A powerful left leader could advocate sensible ways forward.
Only if it isn't using the blunt instrument of massive tax hikes, as
that's largely what makes them unelectable...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Maxwell Boltzmann
2020-01-17 13:48:06 UTC
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Post by Vidcapper
Post by Pancho
However, unfair distribution of wealth, limiting the power of
multinational companies and the need for supranational government are
issues that should be tackled.
A powerful left leader could advocate sensible ways forward.
Only if it isn't using the blunt instrument of massive tax hikes, as
that's largely what makes them unelectable...
As "Ned"s reply to this has follow-ups misdirected, it can be dismissed
unread.
--
Max
Altroy1
2020-01-14 15:38:00 UTC
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The Todal
2020-01-15 12:29:09 UTC
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"Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start
speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being
carried out by Israel,"
This tweet appears to be a loaded comment implying "Jewish people"
have some sort of moral obligation that perhaps in Mr Hatton's
mind does not apply to non Jews. NB for some reason Mr Hatton
did not tweet that "Catholic people" should also do the same
thing. Why not?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/derek-hatton-suspended-from-labour-over-tweet

Don't re-set followups without warning that you have done so, it's very
annoying.

I don't think Hatton's tweet was antisemitic. It was written in 2012,
before the current obsession with antisemitism which has rendered many
reasonable statements retrospectively antisemitic.

Nobody would object to: "American people with any sense of humanity need
to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being
carried out by the USA".

Some jews regard Israel as their homeland, a nation to which they owe
loyalty and allegiance. Other jews don't. Israel's policy is to welcome
all jews and give them full nationality in Israel. Any criticism of
Israel's actions from jews will carry far more weight and be more likely
to influence the Israeli government, than criticism from non-jews.

Hatton's tweet would have been regarded as perfectly reasonable if it
had been issued by an Israeli journalist in Israel. It doesn't become
antisemitic by being written by a non-jew in Britain.
The Todal
2020-01-15 12:38:14 UTC
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Post by The Todal
    "Jewish people with any sense of humanity need to start
    speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being
    carried out by Israel,"
This tweet appears to be a loaded comment implying "Jewish people"
have some sort of moral obligation that perhaps in Mr Hatton's
mind does not apply to non Jews. NB for some reason Mr Hatton
did not tweet that "Catholic people" should also do the same
thing. Why not?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/20/derek-hatton-suspended-from-labour-over-tweet
Don't re-set followups without warning that you have done so, it's very
annoying.
I don't think Hatton's tweet was antisemitic. It was written in 2012,
before the current obsession with antisemitism which has rendered many
reasonable statements retrospectively antisemitic.
Nobody would object to: "American people with any sense of humanity need
to start speaking out publicly against the ruthless murdering being
carried out by the USA".
Some jews regard Israel as their homeland, a nation to which they owe
loyalty and allegiance. Other jews don't. Israel's policy is to welcome
all jews and give them full nationality in Israel. Any criticism of
Israel's actions from jews will carry far more weight and be more likely
to influence the Israeli government, than criticism from non-jews.
Hatton's tweet would have been regarded as perfectly reasonable if it
had been issued by an Israeli journalist in Israel. It doesn't become
antisemitic by being written by a non-jew in Britain.
Hatton's 2012 tweet might possibly have been a reaction to "Operation
Returning Echo".

From Wikipedia

Operation Returning Echo was an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) military
operation in the Gaza Strip from March 9 until March 14, 2012. It was
the worst outbreak of violence covered by the media in the region since
the 2008–2009 Gaza War (Operation Cast Lead).

unquote

Or a reaction to "Operation Pillar of Defense".

During the course of the operation, the IDF claimed to have struck more
than 1,500 sites in the Gaza Strip, including rocket launchpads, weapon
depots, government facilities, and apartment blocks. According to a
UNHCR report, 174 Palestinians were killed and hundreds were wounded.
Many families were displaced. One airstrike killed ten members of the
al-Dalu family. Some Palestinian casualties were caused by misfired
Palestinian rockets landing inside the Gaza Strip.
Pancho
2020-01-15 14:25:12 UTC
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This tweet appears to be a loaded comment implying "Jewish people"
have some sort of moral obligation that perhaps in Mr Hatton's
mind does not apply to non Jews. NB for some reason Mr Hatton
did not tweet that "Catholic people" should also do the same
thing. Why not?
Its not a loaded. It openly states the opinion.

We have a partial moral obligation for the actions of the groups we
belong to and hence have some influence over. This is true even when
membership of the group is not optional. When membership is optional the
degree of responsibility increases.

I would hope we live in a tolerant, as opposed to an uncritical, society.

I have no idea where you have conjured up Derek Hatton's views of
"Catholic People" from. However, in the UK I am familiar with, it has
always been acceptable to criticise Catholicism and its adherents. The
requirement is not that we do not criticise, but that we are tolerant of
them. Tolerant only to the extent that we do not indulge in oppressive
discrimination against them.

I see no reason why this should be different for the Jewish people.
Professeur de merde, Baruch 'Barry' Shein
2020-01-15 14:45:48 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:25:12 +0000, Pancho
Post by Pancho
This tweet appears to be a loaded comment implying "Jewish people"
have some sort of moral obligation that perhaps in Mr Hatton's
mind does not apply to non Jews. NB for some reason Mr Hatton
did not tweet that "Catholic people" should also do the same
thing. Why not?
Its not a loaded. It openly states the opinion.
We have a partial moral obligation for the actions of the groups we
belong to and hence have some influence over. This is true even when
membership of the group is not optional. When membership is optional the
degree of responsibility increases.
I would hope we live in a tolerant, as opposed to an uncritical, society.
I have no idea where you have conjured up Derek Hatton's views of
"Catholic People" from. However, in the UK I am familiar with, it has
always been acceptable to criticise Catholicism and its adherents. The
requirement is not that we do not criticise, but that we are tolerant of
them. Tolerant only to the extent that we do not indulge in oppressive
discrimination against them.
I see no reason why this should be different for the Jewish people.
I see no reason why jews should be exempt from oppressive
discrimination against them.
Peeler
2020-01-15 16:44:03 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:45:48 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Professeur de merde, Baruch
Post by Professeur de merde, Baruch 'Barry' Shein
I see no reason why jews should be exempt from oppressive
discrimination against them.
Of course not: you are a miserable psychopathic swine and sexual cripple to
boot!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
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GB
2020-01-14 17:42:30 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.

There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.

Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
Post by The Todal
Quote (re the aide, Mrs Hamid)
In one message in 2015 addressed directly to Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, she appeared to equate Israel with terrorists in
Islamic State, writing: ‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law?
Hilarious! Isis are terrible too. So really there is no difference.’
In another Twitter exchange, Ms Hamid wrote: ‘We must show the world
that “Israel” is the murderer!’ She also claimed that ‘Israel IS
inflicting Holocaust conditions on Palestinians! Oppressive, racist and
violent!’
Mrs Hamid did draw a distinction between Jews – ‘a faith based on peace
and love’ – and Israel or ‘Zionists’. But Denny Taylor, spokesman for
Labour Against Antisemitism, said: ‘These offensive tweets are, in our
opinion, antisemitic and it is right that Jess Phillips has acted
quickly and suspended her office manager.’
jew watch
2020-01-14 17:52:17 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:30 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
There's an obvious lesson here for you too, jewboi: you're not WANTED
in this CHRISTIAN country. LEAVE before you get EXPELLED.
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
It's far from ridiculous and quite fair. It's one bunch of irrational
hysterical semitic ragheads compared to another.
Peeler
2020-01-14 18:30:10 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 09:52:17 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by jew watch
There's an obvious lesson here for you too, jewboi: you're not WANTED
in this CHRISTIAN country. LEAVE before you get EXPELLED.
You are talking about YOURSELF, filthy dreckserb!
Post by jew watch
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
It's far from ridiculous and quite fair. It's one bunch of irrational
hysterical semitic ragheads compared to another.
There's no hysterical cunt around like you, filthy dreckserb!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 18:37:54 UTC
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Post by jew watch
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:30 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
There's an obvious lesson here for you too, jewboi: you're not WANTED
in this CHRISTIAN country.
This is a Christian country?

I have no idea where you got that silly idea from.
Post by jew watch
LEAVE before you get EXPELLED.
Is that what your kind of Christianity does? Expel people who disagree with
their views?
Post by jew watch
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
It's far from ridiculous and quite fair. It's one bunch of irrational
hysterical semitic ragheads compared to another.
Which of course has nothing to compare with a bunch of irrational and
hysterical halo-heads.
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-14 18:51:55 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:37:54 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:30 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
There's an obvious lesson here for you too, jewboi: you're not WANTED
in this CHRISTIAN country.
This is a Christian country?
Yes, absolutely. And de Kwin is the head of the Church of England.
Post by Keema's Nan
I have no idea where you got that silly idea from.
Why would you think otherwise?
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
LEAVE before you get EXPELLED.
Is that what your kind of Christianity does? Expel people who disagree with
their views?
I don't give two jew shits about their views. It's their race which
is offensive and their obnoxious/abrasive behaviour which is
intolerable.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
It's far from ridiculous and quite fair. It's one bunch of irrational
hysterical semitic ragheads compared to another.
Which of course has nothing to compare with a bunch of irrational and
hysterical halo-heads.
...who don't go around killing people wholesale...well, not any more.
Peeler
2020-01-14 19:59:57 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:51:55 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Keema's Nan
This is a Christian country?
Yes, absolutely.
Not as absolutely as you are an absolutely sick asshole, dreckserb Razovic!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
Peeler
2020-01-14 22:30:31 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:05:24 +0000, Keema's Nan, an especially retarded,
We’ll see, although you will insist it was ’self defence’, or
'reasonable retaliation’.
We'll see YOU feeding the trolling psychopath because of your incurable
idiocy, senile idiot!
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-14 22:35:10 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:05:24 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:37:54 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 17:42:30 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
There's an obvious lesson here for you too, jewboi: you're not WANTED
in this CHRISTIAN country.
This is a Christian country?
Yes, absolutely. And de Kwin is the head of the Church of England.
Post by Keema's Nan
I have no idea where you got that silly idea from.
Why would you think otherwise?
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
LEAVE before you get EXPELLED.
Is that what your kind of Christianity does? Expel people who disagree with
their views?
I don't give two jew shits about their views. It's their race which
is offensive and their obnoxious/abrasive behaviour which is
intolerable.
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by jew watch
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
It's far from ridiculous and quite fair. It's one bunch of irrational
hysterical semitic ragheads compared to another.
Which of course has nothing to compare with a bunch of irrational and
hysterical halo-heads.
...who don't go around killing people wholesale...well, not any more.
We’ll see, although you will insist it was ’self defence’, or
'reasonable retaliation’.
Maybe you could give us a figure for those killed by US forces in Iraq,
Afghanistan, Libya and Syria over the last couple of decades - to the nearest
10,000 will do.
How exactly do the g-dless heathens of the Great Satan qualify as
'halo-heads'?
Peeler
2020-01-14 23:03:10 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
How exactly do the g-dless heathens of the Great Satan qualify as
'halo-heads'?
That one's easy prey for you, eh, psychopath? The idiot falls for your
dumbest baits! LOL
Peeler
2020-01-14 19:58:23 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
This is a Christian country?
Oh, no, the troll-feeding senile idiot is starting another "discussion" with
the psychopathic troll! <tsk>
Keema's Nan
2020-01-14 18:34:16 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair.
Why might that be?

Because ISIS claim responsibility for their atrocities?
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
Post by The Todal
Quote (re the aide, Mrs Hamid)
In one message in 2015 addressed directly to Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, she appeared to equate Israel with terrorists in
Islamic State, writing: ‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law?
Hilarious! Isis are terrible too. So really there is no difference.’
In another Twitter exchange, Ms Hamid wrote: ‘We must show the world
that “Israel” is the murderer!’ She also claimed that ‘Israel IS
inflicting Holocaust conditions on Palestinians! Oppressive, racist and
violent!’
Mrs Hamid did draw a distinction between Jews – ‘a faith based on peace
and love’ – and Israel or ‘Zionists’. But Denny Taylor, spokesman for
Labour Against Antisemitism, said: ‘These offensive tweets are, in our
opinion, antisemitic and it is right that Jess Phillips has acted
quickly and suspended her office manager.’
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-14 18:52:29 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 18:34:16 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair.
Why might that be?
Because ISIS claim responsibility for their atrocities?
No, because GB is a scummy little jew.
Peeler
2020-01-14 20:01:15 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair.
Why might that be?
Because ISIS claim responsibility for their atrocities?
No, because GB is a scummy little jew.
No, it's because GB is NOT a psychotic little retard like the two of you!
The Todal
2020-01-15 11:27:28 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Or suspends her, at any rate. For these criticisms of Israel.
Antisemitic? Really? I don't think Jess is fit to be an MP, let alone
leader of the party. She cannot be trusted to scrutinise parliamentary
legislation if she has such a knee-jerk reaction to criticism of Israel.
From what you wrote, isn't Mrs Hamid a potential liability for any
politician? It doesn't matter whether Hamid is right or wrong, the last
thing any MP with designs on the party leadership needs is an assistant
who upstages her.
There's an obvious lesson here for anybody looking for a job as an MP's
aide: think about whether your utterances are going to help the person
you want to work for.
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair.  "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
The supposedly offensive tweets (and I agree with what she said, and I
don't believe they are antisemitic) were made *before* she started
working for Jess Phillips. So this "upstaging" was in the past.

The fashion nowadays is to scrutinise the social media posts of any
politician or any politician's staff, to look for antisemitism or
homophobic remarks or transphobic remarks, so that you can embarrass the
politician and drive him/her from power. A politician with integrity
will stand up to this sort of bullying behaviour. But not Jess Phillips,
whose lust for power is unusually intense.

To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic etc
is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Joe
2020-01-15 11:48:59 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:27:28 +0000
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic
etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is
*prohibited* because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour
that... well, it befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Criticism of anybody or any group other than white men, whether
justified or not, is now deemed racism/sexism/antisemitism/etc.

This is a core part of the modern government and media narrative, to
which I believe you mostly subscribe.
--
Joe
The Todal
2020-01-15 11:51:26 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:27:28 +0000
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic
etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is
*prohibited* because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour
that... well, it befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Criticism of anybody or any group other than white men, whether
justified or not, is now deemed racism/sexism/antisemitism/etc.
This is a core part of the modern government and media narrative, to
which I believe you mostly subscribe.
And why do you believe that?
Joe
2020-01-15 12:07:08 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:51:26 +0000
Post by The Todal
Post by Joe
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:27:28 +0000
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish,
moronic etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is
*prohibited* because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour
that... well, it befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Criticism of anybody or any group other than white men, whether
justified or not, is now deemed racism/sexism/antisemitism/etc.
This is a core part of the modern government and media narrative, to
which I believe you mostly subscribe.
And why do you believe that?
From the general tone of your postings over the last few years. And no,
I haven't collected them all in a scrapbook to cite now.
--
Joe
The Todal
2020-01-15 12:23:00 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:51:26 +0000
Post by The Todal
Post by Joe
On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:27:28 +0000
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish,
moronic etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is
*prohibited* because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour
that... well, it befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Criticism of anybody or any group other than white men, whether
justified or not, is now deemed racism/sexism/antisemitism/etc.
This is a core part of the modern government and media narrative, to
which I believe you mostly subscribe.
And why do you believe that?
From the general tone of your postings over the last few years. And no,
I haven't collected them all in a scrapbook to cite now.
I believe you are wrong.

We seem to have incompatible belief systems, here.
GB
2020-01-15 15:01:01 UTC
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Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic etc
is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Of course, if the opinion stated is unfair, foolish, or moronic, that
casts doubt on the suitability of the aide and possibly also the MP who
hired her. Phillips may have been in blissful ignorance, but it has been
brought to her attention now, so she really needs to decide what to do.
She can't get away with 'Nothing to do with me. Before I hired her.'

So, Phillips needs to decide whether to stand by her aide and defend her
views:-

Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.

"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
jew watch
2020-01-15 15:20:59 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:01:01 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic etc
is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Of course, if the opinion stated is unfair, foolish, or moronic, that
casts doubt on the suitability of the aide and possibly also the MP who
hired her. Phillips may have been in blissful ignorance, but it has been
brought to her attention now, so she really needs to decide what to do.
She can't get away with 'Nothing to do with me. Before I hired her.'
So, Phillips needs to decide whether to stand by her aide and defend her
views:-
Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
Who wouldn't, jewboi?
Peeler
2020-01-15 16:46:06 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by jew watch
Post by GB
Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
Who wouldn't, jewboi?
Mentally sane people, psychopath!
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Pancho
2020-01-15 15:30:44 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic
etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Of course, if the opinion stated is unfair, foolish, or moronic, that
casts doubt on the suitability of the aide and possibly also the MP who
hired her.
Not really, I think you would be very hard pressed to find someone who
had not said something stupid in their life. Tolerance, forgiveness,
rehabilitation?
Post by GB
Phillips may have been in blissful ignorance, but it has been
brought to her attention now, so she really needs to decide what to do.
She can't get away with 'Nothing to do with me. Before I hired her.'
She could have. People change I don't think it is reasonable to hold
people responsible for a trivial comment made 5 years previously.

To suggest such a level of guilt by association is McCarthyist. You are
the intolerant one. You are the oppressor, unfairly discriminating
against an individual person.
Post by GB
So, Phillips needs to decide whether to stand by her aide and defend her
views:-
Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would defend it to the extent that it is not unacceptable, it is an
opinion, people are entitled to opinions different to my own.

I think it a hyperbolic opinion, but so what? It is not oppressive
against an individual. What damage do you think was done?
The Todal
2020-01-15 15:38:37 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic
etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Of course, if the opinion stated is unfair, foolish, or moronic, that
casts doubt on the suitability of the aide and possibly also the MP who
hired her. Phillips may have been in blissful ignorance, but it has been
brought to her attention now, so she really needs to decide what to do.
She can't get away with 'Nothing to do with me. Before I hired her.'
So, Phillips needs to decide whether to stand by her aide and defend her
views:-
Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed with
it. Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements made
on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.

If the posts had been made after she began working for Phillips all that
would be necessary is a statement from Phillips that she firmly
disagrees with the views expressed.

This is a slippery slope, even if you can't see it. We remember the
Americans dropping napalm on Vietnam, and we also remember Israel
dropping white phosphorus on Palestinian civilians. If you say that to
compare Israel or America with Nazi Germany or with Isis is not only
inaccurate it is insulting to America and to Israel and must therefore
be prohibited language, then you are censoring the normal language of
debate.

Boris Johnson prorogued Parliament and effectively took power away from
our elected chamber and invested that power in himself. If I compare
that to Hitler's dictatorship in Nazi Germany I make a valid point even
though it would be an exaggeration. If you say that I must apologise to
Boris for comparing him to Hitler and must never use that metaphor
again, then you offend against free speech and protect him from
criticism to a degree that really isn't necessary. He's a big boy.
Israel is a big boy, too.
GB
2020-01-15 17:21:51 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed with
it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.

Let's suppose that most right-thinking people regard that statement as
idiotic. Ergo, Hamid is an idiot, and Phillips employed an idiot as an aide.
Post by The Todal
Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements made
on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.
I agree. My point is purely that Phillips has employed an idiot.
Post by The Todal
If the posts had been made after she began working for Phillips all that
would be necessary is a statement from Phillips that she firmly
disagrees with the views expressed.
This is a slippery slope, even if you can't see it. We remember the
Americans dropping napalm on Vietnam, and we also remember Israel
dropping white phosphorus on Palestinian civilians. If you say that to
compare Israel or America with Nazi Germany or with Isis is not only
inaccurate it is insulting to America and to Israel and must therefore
be prohibited language, then you are censoring the normal language of
debate.
The key words, it seems to me, are "there is no difference". It is valid
to compare atrocities committed by the Allies with those committed by
the Nazis. It is clearly wrong to conclude that there is no difference.

Hamid, in her argumentative zealotry perhaps, has glossed over vast
differences and said there are none. I cannot say why she holds these
views, but one explanation is that she's overly simplistic.

If I were a constituent of Phillips and had to deal with Hamid, I would
worry that she simply isn't up to the job. I would also worry, if she
thought I were a Zionist, that she might not deal with me fairly.
Post by The Todal
Boris Johnson prorogued Parliament and effectively took power away from
our elected chamber and invested that power in himself. If I compare
that to Hitler's dictatorship in Nazi Germany I make a valid point even
though it would be an exaggeration. If you say that I must apologise to
Boris for comparing him to Hitler and must never use that metaphor
again, then you offend against free speech and protect him from
criticism to a degree that really isn't necessary. He's a big boy.
Israel is a big boy, too.
The Todal
2020-01-15 17:29:55 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed with
it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
Post by GB
Let's suppose that most right-thinking people regard that statement as
idiotic. Ergo, Hamid is an idiot, and Phillips employed an idiot as an aide.
Post by The Todal
Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements made
on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.
I agree. My point is purely that Phillips has employed an idiot.
The phrase used is (as I quoted)
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’

Perhaps the Twitter word limit does not permit of a more nuanced
explanation, but I understood it well enough. Israel defies human rights
and international law (it has been condemned repeatedly by the UN for
violating UN resolutions) and ISIS also defies human rights and
international law. So both are to be condemned. Both inhabit the sewers,
as far as morality is concerned.

If you think that is an idiotic point to make, perhaps you see Israel as
an oasis of civilisation among the barbarian nations that border it.
That is certainly the image than many pro-Israel advocates like to offer.
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-15 17:59:32 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:29:55 +0000, Jon The Todal, a notorious semite
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed with
it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
Post by GB
Let's suppose that most right-thinking people regard that statement as
idiotic. Ergo, Hamid is an idiot, and Phillips employed an idiot as an aide.
Post by The Todal
Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements made
on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.
I agree. My point is purely that Phillips has employed an idiot.
The phrase used is (as I quoted)
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’
Perhaps the Twitter word limit does not permit of a more nuanced
explanation, but I understood it well enough. Israel defies human rights
and international law (it has been condemned repeatedly by the UN for
violating UN resolutions) and ISIS also defies human rights and
international law. So both are to be condemned. Both inhabit the sewers,
as far as morality is concerned.
If you think that is an idiotic point to make, perhaps you see Israel as
an oasis of civilisation among the barbarian nations that border it.
That is certainly the image than many pro-Israel advocates like to offer.
Oh look...two jews, three opinions...as the old adage goes.
Peeler
2020-01-15 19:36:27 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Oh look...two jews, three opinions...as the old adage goes.
Oh, look ...the resident serb asshole and psychopath letting out another
fart!
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GB
2020-01-15 18:10:25 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed
with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
No, I am paraphrasing. She said:
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’

That's interpretable in two ways only, AFAICS:
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.

Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Let's suppose that most right-thinking people regard that statement as
idiotic. Ergo, Hamid is an idiot, and Phillips employed an idiot as an aide.
Post by The Todal
Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements
made on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.
I agree. My point is purely that Phillips has employed an idiot.
The phrase used is (as I quoted)
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’
Perhaps the Twitter word limit does not permit of a more nuanced
explanation, but I understood it well enough. Israel defies human rights
and international law (it has been condemned repeatedly by the UN for
violating UN resolutions) and ISIS also defies human rights and
international law. So both are to be condemned. Both inhabit the sewers,
as far as morality is concerned.
She said there's no difference whatsoever. Are you saying that's
correct? I'd have thought that your viewpoint might be a little more
nuanced than that?
Post by The Todal
If you think that is an idiotic point to make, perhaps you see Israel as
an oasis of civilisation among the barbarian nations that border it.
That is certainly the image than many pro-Israel advocates like to offer.
pensive hamster
2020-01-15 21:38:35 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed
with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
and unjustified, especially given she also reportedly said "Jews – ‘a
faith based on peace and love’

Your first one seems more reasonable, but a bit hard edged, and
not necessarily a justifiable interpretation, given the loose,
conversational style in which language seems sometimes to be
used on Twitter.

Personally, I would interpret her statement more along the lines of

"Neither the Israeli government nor ISIS seem to have any real
respect for human rights law, so in that respect it is difficult to see
any significant difference between the two"

but that might be considered a bit verbose for Twitter.

[...]
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-15 22:36:44 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:38:35 -0800 (PST), pensive hamster
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed
with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
and unjustified, especially given she also reportedly said "Jews – ‘a
faith based on peace and love’
LOLOK!

Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."

Look no further than Jeffrey Epshteen and Harvey Weenshteen!
Ned Latham
2020-01-15 22:47:47 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Look no further than Jeffrey Epshteen and Harvey Weenshteen!
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-16 13:35:57 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:47:47 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between
Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.

You can join or leave a cult, but once a jew always a jew. There is
no entry and no escape.
Ned Latham
2020-01-16 14:13:33 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between
Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because they
dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way. Same as
other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-16 14:40:35 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:13:33 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between
Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because they
dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way. Same as
other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
Dressing, grooming and behaving have nothing to do with the
characteristic contorted rodent-like facial features of the jew race,
although the obnoxious/abrasive jew behaviour is itself genetic in
nature. Could Harvey Weensteen ever be mistaken for anything OTHER
than a jew?
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
It has never happened. You simply can't change the race you were born
into.
Ned Latham
2020-01-16 14:56:13 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:13:33 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between
Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because they
dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way. Same as
other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
Dressing, grooming and behaving have nothing to do with the
characteristic contorted rodent-like facial features of the jew race,
although the obnoxious/abrasive jew behaviour is itself genetic in
nature.
Both of those characteristics are cultural.
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Could Harvey Weensteen ever be mistaken for anything OTHER
than a jew?
His name's the only clue that I see.

We had a Jew here in Oz, went by the name "John Monash". Possibly the
only intelligent general in any army of WW I. Looked as Caucasian as
you can get.
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
"Popularity" isn't what defines cxultism.
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
It has never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Judaism
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You simply can't change the race you were born into.
Agreed, but that's not relevant to this.
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-16 16:56:20 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:56:13 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:13:33 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by pensive hamster
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference."
- Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if
I disagreed with it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between
Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
"Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are
terrible too. So really there is no difference."
1. Israel's human rights record is indistinguishable from ISIS's.
2. Israel as a nation is indistinguishable from ISIS.
Neither of those is remotely reasonable.
Your second hypothetical interpretation above, seems unreasonable
a faith based on peace and love"
LOLOK!
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because they
dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way. Same as
other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
Dressing, grooming and behaving have nothing to do with the
characteristic contorted rodent-like facial features of the jew race,
although the obnoxious/abrasive jew behaviour is itself genetic in
nature.
Both of those characteristics are cultural.
I fail to see how inherited contorted jew facial features can possibly
be cultural. And jew behaviour is too widespread across too many
countries to be cultural. Both have to be genetic.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Could Harvey Weensteen ever be mistaken for anything OTHER
than a jew?
His name's the only clue that I see.
Have you never seen a photograph of him? You'd never mistake him for
an Irishman or a Scandinavian! For even better stereotypes, I refer
you to the caricatures in Der Stürmer (sadly out of print):
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sturm28.htm
Post by Ned Latham
We had a Jew here in Oz, went by the name "John Monash". Possibly the
only intelligent general in any army of WW I. Looked as Caucasian as
you can get.
Some so-called 'jews' are in fact mixed race...and in such cases
dominant Caucasian genes may be more evident than the inferior semitic
genes.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
"Popularity" isn't what defines cxultism.
I have never heard of Islam referred to as a cult.
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
It has never happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Judaism
Most jews are in fact atheists. Abandoning jewdism is simple enough,
but it doesn't stop the person doing it from being a jew. There was
even a jew Cardinal in the Roman Catholic Church, for fuck's sake! A
heartbeat away from the papacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Marie_Lustiger
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You simply can't change the race you were born into.
Agreed, but that's not relevant to this.
It certainly is...religion doesn't define a jew, race does.
abelard
2020-01-18 15:04:41 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult

About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
--
www.abelard.org
Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 15:47:13 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
Where did you search? Your website?

LOL
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-18 16:29:38 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
search term...abelard cult

About 167,000 results (0.35 seconds)
Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 17:31:45 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
search term...abelard cult
About 167,000 results (0.35 seconds)
With that many results, are you sure you searched for Abelard “cult” ?
G***@skata.co.uk
2020-01-18 17:56:03 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:31:45 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
search term...abelard cult
About 167,000 results (0.35 seconds)
With that many results, are you sure you searched for Abelard “cult” ?
Ah, I know what you mean.

search term....abelard cunt

About 22,500 results (0.26 seconds)
Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 18:30:20 UTC
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Post by G***@skata.co.uk
On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:31:45 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
search term...abelard cult
About 167,000 results (0.35 seconds)
With that many results, are you sure you searched for Abelard “cult” ?
Ah, I know what you mean.
search term....abelard cunt
About 22,500 results (0.26 seconds)
He may have more enemies than he thinks.
Peeler
2020-01-18 20:02:23 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 18:30:20 +0000, Keema's Nan, an especially retarded,
Post by Keema's Nan
He may have more enemies than he thinks.
Or, rather, the two of you are even more clinically insane than everyone
knew already!

Peeler
2020-01-18 18:36:02 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:56:03 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Ah, I know what you mean.
search term....abelard cunt
About 22,500 results (0.26 seconds)
Looks like you two mental cases can't resist each other. Same retarded level
you scum live on! <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$***@usenetxs.com>
Peeler
2020-01-18 18:30:57 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:31:45 +0000, Keema's Nan, an especially retarded,
Post by Keema's Nan
With that many results, are you sure you searched for Abelard “cult” ?
What I'm absolutely sure of is that you ARE an ESPECIALLY retarded,
troll-feeding senile piece of shit!
Ned Latham
2020-01-18 19:48:26 UTC
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The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög") trotted
I'm an ESPECIALLY retarded, troll-feeding senile piece of shit!
The sane people here agree with you on that one, Yap-Yap.

That'd be a first for, you, ay?
Peeler
2020-01-18 18:29:06 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:29:38 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
search term...abelard cult
About 167,000 results (0.35 seconds)
Where did you search for it? Same place you search for EVERYTHING ...inside
your rectum, dreckserb Razovic?
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
Peeler
2020-01-18 17:12:54 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:04:41 +0100, abeltard, the notorious, troll-feeding,
Post by abelard
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
It is very easy to join Scientology, but not as easy to
leave...although possible. Islam is a leading world religion, not a
cult.
search term...islam cult
About 17,800,000 results (0.33 seconds)
Was that really neceassary, you troll-feeding senile twit?
Peeler
2020-01-16 17:07:08 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 06:40:35 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Dressing, grooming and behaving have nothing to do with the
characteristic contorted rodent-like facial features of the jew race,
although the obnoxious/abrasive jew behaviour is itself genetic in
nature. Could Harvey Weensteen ever be mistaken for anything OTHER
than a jew?
Could YOU ever be mistaken for ANYTHING other than a sick subnormal
psychopathic swine, dreckserb?
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
Peeler
2020-01-16 17:05:31 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:13:33 -0600, Nerd Blatham, yet another mentally
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
Yeah, senile idiot, keep "discussing" it with a clinically insane perverted
psychopathic troll who goes by about fourty different nyms in these groups!
<tsk>
abelard
2020-01-18 14:59:29 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:13:33 -0600, Ned Latham
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
They are a cult, not a race.
just like socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because they
dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way. Same as
other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
just like socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
and socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
just like socialism

they all(most of time) look the same...expressionless visage,
humourless, not very bright

no cult is keen on its competitors
--
www.abelard.org
Ned Latham
2020-01-18 15:18:26 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
They are a cult, not a race.
just like socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Some of them do; some of them don't. Of those that do, it's because
they dress that way, groom themselves that way and behave that way.
Same as other self-segregating, non-secretive groups.
just like socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
You can join or leave a cult,
Like Scientology or Islam?
and socialism
Post by Ned Latham
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
but once a jew always a jew. There is no entry and no escape.
It's rare, but it happens.
just like socialism
they all(most of time) look the same...expressionless visage,
humourless, not very bright
no cult is keen on its competitors
So true...
Peeler
2020-01-16 16:57:51 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 05:35:57 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Post by Ned Latham
They are a cult, not a race.
They are definitely a race...that's why jews *look* jewish.
Which of these Jews look "Jewish" to you, retarded psychopath:

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls059780951/
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic answering a question whether there
is any "meaningful" debate to lower the age of consent:
"If there isn't, there should be."
MID: <ZAMUE.174724$***@usenetxs.com>
Peeler
2020-01-15 23:00:47 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:36:44 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
LOLOK!
"LOLOK"??? Is that the sound you make when you choke on dick, cocksucking
Razovic?
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Should be more like: "jews - a race based on lies, treachery,
dishonesty, financial irregularities and sexual depravity."
That's everything YOU are, you endlessly projecting sexually crippled
psychopath!
Post by G***@skata.co.uk
Look no further than Jeffrey Epshteen and Harvey Weenshteen!
We need look no further than YOU. Just reading a FEW of your posts reveals
what a depraved subnormal cretin you are, dreckserb Razovic!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
GB
2020-01-16 09:45:22 UTC
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Post by pensive hamster
"Neither the Israeli government nor ISIS seem to have any real
respect for human rights law, so in that respect it is difficult to see
any significant difference between the two"
Governments tend to depart from ideals of behaviour all the time. The
UK's history is littered with such departures, for example. That does
not mean (I hope) that the UK has no "real respect for human rights
law". It's not black and white in that way.

As another example, the USA claims justification for pre-emptively
killing Suleimani. Without that, it's purely a random act of terror.

A thoughtful observer, and hence why I think Hamid was being idiotic,
needs to consider the circumstances of any HR infringement.
Post by pensive hamster
but that might be considered a bit verbose for Twitter.
[...]
The Todal
2020-01-16 10:44:17 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by pensive hamster
"Neither the Israeli government nor ISIS seem to have any real
respect for human rights law, so in that respect it is difficult to see
any significant difference between the two"
Governments tend to depart from ideals of behaviour all the time. The
UK's history is littered with such departures, for example. That does
not mean (I hope) that the UK has no "real respect for human rights
law". It's not black and white in that way.
As another example, the USA claims justification for pre-emptively
killing Suleimani. Without that, it's purely a random act of terror.
A thoughtful observer, and hence why I think Hamid was being idiotic,
needs to consider the circumstances of any HR infringement.
But this isn't a discussion about whether criticisms of Israel are fair
or not. It is a discussion about whether unfair criticisms of Israel are
inherently *antisemitic*, which is basically the lie that the Board of
Deputies is peddling, supported by the Jewish Labour Movement.
GB
2020-01-16 11:45:09 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by pensive hamster
"Neither the Israeli government nor ISIS seem to have any real
respect for human rights law, so in that respect it is difficult to see
any significant difference between the two"
Governments tend to depart from ideals of behaviour all the time. The
UK's history is littered with such departures, for example. That does
not mean (I hope) that the UK has no "real respect for human rights
law". It's not black and white in that way.
As another example, the USA claims justification for pre-emptively
killing Suleimani. Without that, it's purely a random act of terror.
A thoughtful observer, and hence why I think Hamid was being idiotic,
needs to consider the circumstances of any HR infringement.
But this isn't a discussion about whether criticisms of Israel are fair
or not. It is a discussion about whether unfair criticisms of Israel are
inherently *antisemitic*, which is basically the lie that the Board of
Deputies is peddling, supported by the Jewish Labour Movement.
I haven't seen the reasons given by Phillips for suspending Hamid. What
has she said?
pensive hamster
2020-01-16 20:42:19 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by pensive hamster
"Neither the Israeli government nor ISIS seem to have any real
respect for human rights law, so in that respect it is difficult to see
any significant difference between the two"
Governments tend to depart from ideals of behaviour all the time. The
UK's history is littered with such departures, for example. That does
not mean (I hope) that the UK has no "real respect for human rights
law". It's not black and white in that way.
As another example, the USA claims justification for pre-emptively
killing Suleimani. Without that, it's purely a random act of terror.
A thoughtful observer, and hence why I think Hamid was being idiotic,
needs to consider the circumstances of any HR infringement.
"Circumstances" ??

There's plenty of circumstances and context and consequences.
Where to start? The agreement between President Roosevelt and
King Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia in 1945? The Sykes–Picot Agreement?
The Crusades?

It seems to me that one can effectively nullify or stymie any comment
on events in the Middle East, by saying "ah, but you need to consider
the circumstances ..."

Or by calling the commentator "idiotic".
Keema's Nan
2020-01-15 18:12:03 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
I would definitely defend her right to say it even if I disagreed with
it.
So, Hamid effectively said there is no difference between Israel and ISIS.
You are, of course, selectively quoting.
Post by GB
Let's suppose that most right-thinking people regard that statement as
idiotic. Ergo, Hamid is an idiot, and Phillips employed an idiot as an aide.
Post by The Todal
Social media posts that were made before she began working for a
politician cannot by any stretch of the imagination be statements made
on behalf of the Labour Party or on behalf of Jess Phillips.
I agree. My point is purely that Phillips has employed an idiot.
The phrase used is (as I quoted)
‘Because Israel obeys human rights/law? Hilarious! Isis are terrible
too. So really there is no difference.’
Perhaps the Twitter word limit does not permit of a more nuanced
explanation, but I understood it well enough. Israel defies human rights
and international law (it has been condemned repeatedly by the UN for
violating UN resolutions) and ISIS also defies human rights and
international law. So both are to be condemned. Both inhabit the sewers,
as far as morality is concerned.
The difference is that Israel has nukes, and ISIS does not. Therefore Israel
can dictate how they are described on the world stage.

Trump was posturing last week that Iran should never be allowed to acquire
nuclear weapons; but maybe they should - just to illustrate the meaning of
nuclear deterrence to Israel (not that it would probably make any difference
to those trigger happy nutters).
Post by The Todal
If you think that is an idiotic point to make, perhaps you see Israel as
an oasis of civilisation among the barbarian nations that border it.
That is certainly the image than many pro-Israel advocates like to offer.
Dan S. MacAbre
2020-01-16 12:14:01 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by The Todal
To say that specific criticism of Israel is unfair, foolish, moronic
etc is of course reasonable. To say that the cricisism is *prohibited*
because it is *antisemitic* is the sort of behaviour that... well, it
befits a fascist or Stalinist state.
Of course, if the opinion stated is unfair, foolish, or moronic, that
casts doubt on the suitability of the aide and possibly also the MP who
hired her. Phillips may have been in blissful ignorance, but it has been
brought to her attention now, so she really needs to decide what to do.
She can't get away with 'Nothing to do with me. Before I hired her.'
So, Phillips needs to decide whether to stand by her aide and defend her
views:-
Comparing Israel to ISIS - some comparisons can arguably be made.
"So really there is no difference." - Who would want to defend that?
ISTM that people hoping for a career in politics must accept that they
will be subjected to closer scrutiny than the rest of us. I will not
claim that that is fair (although my opinion is that it is not), but
Phillips is probably just being pragmatic here.
abelard
2020-01-18 14:39:08 UTC
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Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
who would want to deal with a load of leftist clones?

you may as well 'argue' with flat earthers
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Keema's Nan
2020-01-18 15:45:38 UTC
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Post by GB
Whilst I strongly disagree with many of Netanyahu's policies, comparing
Israel to ISIS is utterly unfair. "So really there is no difference."
That's ridiculous, and I can understand that Phillips doesn't want to
have to defend the statement.
who would want to deal with a load of leftist clones?
With Netanyahu, he doesn’t want to deal with anyone but those clones who
support him in his warmongering mass murder policies.
Post by abelard
you may as well 'argue' with flat earthers
In Netanyahu’s case that would be the earth flattened by his nukes.
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