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Land Value Tax
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-12 07:09:06 UTC
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Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
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tim...
2019-09-12 07:52:32 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?

NO

tim
Brian Reay
2019-09-12 08:16:49 UTC
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Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.

Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.

Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.

No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
Stephen Cole
2019-09-12 08:52:35 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
Clearly, Brian’s still deep in that funk he fell into after our mutual
acquaintance told him about what my inheritance is going to look like. He’s
got the green-eyed monster, big time. Poor Old Brian.
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-13 15:34:01 UTC
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On 12 Sep 2019 08:52:35 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
Clearly, Brian’s still deep in that funk he fell into after our mutual
acquaintance told him about what my inheritance is going to look like. He’s
got the green-eyed monster, big time. Poor Old Brian.
TBH I'd hand any inheritance back in return for my parents.
Folk like Brian measure a person’s worth in pounds, shillings, and pence.
It’s a very bleak worldview and I genuinely pity him.
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Fredxx
2019-09-13 21:32:02 UTC
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On 13/09/2019 16:34, Stephen Cole wrote:

<snip>
Post by Stephen Cole
Folk like Brian measure a person’s worth in pounds, shillings, and pence.
It’s a very bleak worldview and I genuinely pity him.
I take it you're a bankrupt.
Spike
2019-09-14 07:39:41 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by Stephen Cole
Folk like Brian measure a person’s worth in pounds, shillings, and pence.
It’s a very bleak worldview and I genuinely pity him.
I take it you're a bankrupt.
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It’s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
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Joe
2019-09-14 08:24:42 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires.
Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.
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Brian Reay
2019-09-14 09:11:13 UTC
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Post by Joe
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires.
Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.
True enough.

Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-14 09:58:37 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Joe
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires.
Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.
True enough.
Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
You mean that capitalists eschew inheritance of property? That's nice,
I suppose they donate it all then?

AB
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-14 10:51:20 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
Does make one wonder how I'm a millionaire after being a life long
socialist. Who inherited very little from my life long Tory parents. ;-)
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Brian Reay
2019-09-14 11:20:51 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Brian Reay
Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
Does make one wonder how I'm a millionaire after being a life long
socialist. Who inherited very little from my life long Tory parents. ;-)
Caught one !
Jim GM4DHJ ...
2019-09-14 15:25:21 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Joe
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires.
Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.
True enough.
Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed to
them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
just like the big farmer....
Brian Reay
2019-09-14 15:57:07 UTC
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Post by Jim GM4DHJ ...
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Joe
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 07:39:41 +0000
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires.
Not much to boast about these days. Many quite grotty parts of the world
have an area of expensive housing, fully occupied.
True enough.
Many in the expensive areas worked hard to ensure they could afford to
live in one of the expensive areas. Socialists expect it to be handed
to them on a plate or sit back hoping to inherit ;-)
just like the big farmer....
You seem to envy him Jim, you always mention him. A bit like that
callsign you missed out on.

I'm no issue with those who inherit, good luck to them. It is hypocrites
I've a problem with- Socialists who hold their hand out expecting
someone to fill it with money.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-14 23:09:20 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
It is hypocrites
I've a problem with- Socialists who hold their hand out expecting
someone to fill it with money.
It's OK anyone else to do it, then?
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-14 10:48:20 UTC
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Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-14 11:11:05 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.

It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.

AB
Brian Reay
2019-09-14 11:20:53 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL

Do you think those who want to tear down ‘the system’ know or care about
the difference?

They just want any easy life.
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
2019-09-14 11:28:26 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It?s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL
Do you think those who want to tear down ‘the system’ know or care about
the difference?
They just want any easy life.
Everyone wants an easy life.

Is there some reason why it should not be an aim?

I certainly want an easy life, sadly it does not yet appear to be
around the corner.

"Tearing down the system" sounds a trifle difficult.


AB
Rod Speed
2019-09-14 14:48:38 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It?s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL
Do you think those who want to tear down 'the system' know or care about
the difference?
They just want any easy life.
Everyone wants an easy life.
Not everyone does. Quite a few prefer a much
more interesting life working at a decent job.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Is there some reason why it should not be an aim?
Yep, someone has to do what needs to be done.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
I certainly want an easy life,
But no one is actually stupid enough to hand it to you.
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
sadly it does not yet appear to be around the corner.
Then do the decent thing and hang yourself.
Peeler
2019-09-14 15:35:47 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:48:38 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trolling senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

00:48??? LOL So I was right, you didn't stay up until that time, you ALREADY
got out of bed, AGAIN, to continue with your insipid trolling without too
long a break! LMAO
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Roger Hayter
2019-09-14 16:00:19 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It?s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL
Do you think those who want to tear down 'the system' know or care about
the difference?
They just want any easy life.
Everyone wants an easy life.
Not everyone does. Quite a few prefer a much
more interesting life working at a decent job.
But that *is* an easy life! It may be hard work, but it is much easier
than working in a factory or being on the dole.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-14 22:04:51 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It?s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours.
Must
be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL
Do you think those who want to tear down 'the system' know or care about
the difference?
They just want any easy life.
Everyone wants an easy life.
Not everyone does. Quite a few prefer a much
more interesting life working at a decent job.
But that *is* an easy life! It may be hard work, but it is much easier
than working in a factory or being on the dole.
Much easier for some getting a handout from the state and
spending your time doing what you prefer to do like fishing etc.
Peeler
2019-09-14 22:33:09 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:04:51 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile Ozzietard's latest trollshit>

Fuck off from normally evolved humans' ngs, you trolling piece of Ozzie
shit!
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-14 14:03:58 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
ROTFL
Do you think those who want to tear down the system‘ know or care about
the difference?
They just want any easy life.
You've just described the average Brexiteer.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-14 14:43:34 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It's a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
The don't support the whole lot and never did.
Peeler
2019-09-14 15:40:49 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:43:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
The don't support the whole lot and never did.
Hey, senile Rodent, aren't you yet another one of those MANY senile Usenet
millionaires who can't do ANYTHING with all their money other than troll on
Usenet? YEAR after YEAR? I do remember you told us repeatedly that you got
"money to burn"! LOL
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JNugent
2019-09-14 22:41:54 UTC
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Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
In your context, what does "effectively" mean?

It seems to mean "not at all, but I feel like saying so".
The Natural Philosopher
2019-09-15 08:06:49 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:48:20 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Spike
Stephen Thomas Cole CB/M0TEY is quite concerned about other people's
money - he once bragged that he lives only five minutes walk from
millionaires. It‘s a very bleak worldview and we genuinely pity him.
That's very sad. I'm a millionaire as are most of my neighbours. Must be
horrid living in the sticks.
Well done, there are some out there that still appreciate that others
can strive as hard and as is nearly always the case, a lot harder to
live hand to mouth.
It nausiates me to see people being hero worshipped for making
millions for effectively moving peoples cash about or gambling, while
the poor bloke making things and supporting the whole lot is ignored.
AB
In your context, what does "effectively" mean?
Investment fund manager?
Post by JNugent
It seems to mean "not at all, but I feel like saying so".
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newshound
2019-09-12 09:44:58 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.

And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.

Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.

I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.
Brian Reay
2019-09-12 10:08:12 UTC
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Post by newshound
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.
Yawn, you sound like someone who envies those who have made been prudent,
saved, invested in property etc.
Post by newshound
And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.
Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.
Why is there a problem with someone who has made good wanting to pass
his/her money on?

It is the Socialists who have an issue with people who have worked hard,
been prudent etc.
Post by newshound
I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Those who are want to succeed and are willing to graft etc can. Those who
are lazy sit back and moan, making excuses, expecting handouts.
Stephen Cole
2019-09-13 15:34:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Reay
Post by newshound
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.
Yawn, you sound like someone who envies those who have made been prudent,
saved, invested in property etc.
Post by newshound
And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.
Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.
Why is there a problem with someone who has made good wanting to pass
his/her money on?
It is the Socialists who have an issue with people who have worked hard,
been prudent etc.
Post by newshound
I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Those who are want to succeed and are willing to graft etc can. Those who
are lazy sit back and moan, making excuses, expecting handouts.
You’re having a good time living on your wife’s pension though, Brian, eh?
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-13 15:34:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by newshound
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
I'm not entirely sure about that. If you buy a house to live in, and
want to pass it on as an asset, fair enough. If you have bought it in
the hope of gains far in excess of inflation, then (arguably) you are
behaving like a charicature of the robber baron capitalist. Even more so
if you have multiple "buy to lets" with the same expectation.
And that's one of the things that IHT and CGT are after.
Call me an old cynic, but I sometimes suspect that the "simple working
class lad made good" who shouts about IHT is a bit more of a capitalist
than they claim to be.
I think the *real* problem is that government economic policy over the
decades has largely encouraged the housing bubble. This includes council
housing selloff and easing buy to let rules. The underlying problem is
that we have not been building enough houses to match rising prosperity
and (the reasonably) rising expectations. You might (or might not) blame
developers with their land banks but overall, governments have always
had levers that they could use.
One way of tipping the balance back in favour of the common man would be
Right To Buy for private tenants. Labour are looking into it, so fingers
crossed.
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-12 15:33:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Reay
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and
have actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be
subject 0 IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so
currently in place isn‘t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that.
(Fortunately, there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more
the £1m) £1m per child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
Interesting. The sins of the children visited on the parents.

Do you think the offspring who work hard in a vital but not well paid job
- like say a nurse or policeman or even in the armed services - should be
penalised because they don't get paid enough to buy property?

Or are you still on a different planet to most of us?
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Chris Green
2019-09-13 09:11:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Reay
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
So how do you decide whether someone has spent their life "sitting
around waiting for another hand out..." or has been productive? It's
not particularly easy and one man's 'lazy git' is another man's 'hard
worker' (... 'hard work' doesn't necessarily mean earning lots of
money).
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RJH
2019-09-13 19:27:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .
Post by Brian Reay
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.
Post by Brian Reay
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second case.
Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need to have
bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite
nasty ways over the next 30 years.

I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of weeks
recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the corporations
behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity release products
being pushed.

If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-13 23:35:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by RJH
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .
Post by Brian Reay
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit around
waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.
That’s bullshit. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.

And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Post by RJH
Post by Brian Reay
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second
case.Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need
to have bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite nasty
ways over the next 30 years.
That hasn’t been established at all, just claimed, a different matter
entirely.
Post by RJH
I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of weeks
recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the corporations
behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity release products
being pushed.
If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Joe
2019-09-14 08:17:20 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:35:34 +1000
Post by Rod Speed
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Moving house is vastly more expensive now than it was forty years ago,
thanks to the 'mansion' stamp duty now applying to most housing in
large towns and cities. It's also a lot more difficult if you have
school-age children.

Do the arithmetic: it's worth moving house for a well-paid job, it
isn't for anything less and particularly for around minimum wage, which
most jobs now are.
--
Joe
Rod Speed
2019-09-14 14:25:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Joe
Post by Rod Speed
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Moving house is vastly more expensive now than it was forty years ago,
BULLSHIT when you are renting.
Post by Joe
thanks to the 'mansion' stamp duty now applying
to most housing in large towns and cities.
None of that involved when you are renting.
Post by Joe
It's also a lot more difficult if you have school-age children.
That's bullshit too. Same as forty years ago.
Post by Joe
Do the arithmetic: it's worth moving house for a well-paid
job, it isn't for anything less and particularly for around
minimum wage, which most jobs now are.
That's bullshit too.
Peeler
2019-09-14 15:42:06 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:25:26 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH trollshit>

00:25 am in Australia? Now THAT's a new record, even for you trolling piece
of senile Australian shit! LOL
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RJH
2019-09-14 17:17:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Joe
Post by Rod Speed
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Moving house is vastly more expensive now than it was forty years ago,
BULLSHIT when you are renting.
Only 36% rent, and about half of those are in social housing. You are
more likely to be 'workless' than in work if you own outright than
privately rent.

Workless: Mortgage 1.3%, own outright 13.1%, private rent 9.7%,
council/HA 26.7%
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Joe
thanks to the 'mansion' stamp duty now applying to most housing in
large towns and cities.
None of that involved when you are renting.
Post by Joe
It's also a lot more difficult if you have school-age children.
That's bullshit too. Same as forty years ago.
Post by Joe
Do the arithmetic: it's worth moving house for a well-paid job, it
isn't for anything less and particularly for around minimum wage,
which most jobs now are.
That's bullshit too.
Transactions costs are notoriously high in the UK. Is there any
possibility of you providing an ounce of reasoning?
--
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Rod Speed
2019-09-14 22:23:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by RJH
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Joe
Post by Rod Speed
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Moving house is vastly more expensive now than it was forty years ago,
BULLSHIT when you are renting.
Only 36% rent,
A FAR higher percentage who are receiving the dole instead of working do.
Post by RJH
and about half of those are in social housing. You are more likely to be
'workless' than in work if you own outright than privately rent.
Fuck all of those who choose not to work
own the property they are living in.
Post by RJH
Workless: Mortgage 1.3%, own outright 13.1%,
Like I said, fuck all.
Post by RJH
private rent 9.7%, council/HA 26.7%
Those numbers don’t total 100%
Post by RJH
Post by Rod Speed
Post by Joe
thanks to the 'mansion' stamp duty now applying to most housing in large
towns and cities.
None of that involved when you are renting.
Post by Joe
It's also a lot more difficult if you have school-age children.
That's bullshit too. Same as forty years ago.
Post by Joe
Do the arithmetic: it's worth moving house for a well-paid job, it isn't
for anything less and particularly for around minimum wage, which most
jobs now are.
That's bullshit too.
Transactions costs are notoriously high in the UK.
Waffle. It doesn’t cost that much to move when renting.
Post by RJH
Is there any possibility of you providing an ounce of reasoning?
That’s flagrantly dishonest.
Peeler
2019-09-14 22:34:12 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:23:12 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
That’s flagrantly dishonest.
That's flagrant trolling on your part again, you trolling piece of senile
Ozzie shit!
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Peeler
2019-09-14 08:26:14 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 09:35:34 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
That’s bullshit. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
You are not in the UK, so you don't know how things are there, you senile
trolling piece of Ozzie shit!
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Rod Speed
2019-09-14 22:15:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rod Speed
Post by RJH
Post by Brian Reay
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
He’d do better to reform IHT.
Well, abolish IHT, introduce LVT . . .
Post by Brian Reay
Parents whose offspring have shown they are prepared to work etc, and have
actually established themselves- bought a property etc should be subject 0
IHT when passing to children. Even the, effective, £1m or so currently in
place isn’t really high enough, it is easy to exceed that. (Fortunately,
there are legal ways to avoid IHT even if you have more the £1m) £1m per
child would be more reasonable.
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around waiting
for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax it at 100%
and give it to the NHS.
You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.
That’s bullshit. Plenty wont do some jobs like fruit
picking and dealing with fat bergs in sewers and
choose to put their hands out for the dole instead.
Well, that's nonsense. It's not 'won't', it's 'can't'.
That’s bullshit with the cant with fruit picking and pruning etc.
And that is in large part due to housing . . .
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.

Mate of mine who ended up here used to drive a small mini bus
that was used to pick up the fruit pickers that did the work on his
dads operation in the 50s.
Post by Rod Speed
And plenty more refuse to move to where the work is too.
Post by RJH
Post by Brian Reay
No true socialist should complain at that. Reward the hard working, the
first case, help the masses and don’t reward the lazy in the second
case.Of course, those who fall into the second group- remember you need
to have bought a property- will scream it is unfair.
It's now pretty well established that the combination of property
ownership and inheritance is going to polarise the UK in some quite
nasty ways over the next 30 years.
That hasn’t been established at all, just claimed, a different matter
entirely.
Claimed and evidenced.
Bullshit with the evidenced.
Have a look at the work of Danny Dorling for example.
Have a look at what actually happens over the next 30 years.,
Post by Rod Speed
Post by RJH
I had the 'opportunity' to take in some daytime TV for a couple of weeks
recently. Apart from the obviously fleecing nature of the corporations
behind it all, quite nice to see the variety of equity release products
being pushed.
If the government isn't going to do anything, spend it or give it away
while you can.
Even sillier than you usually manage and that’s saying something.
Indeed.
Peeler
2019-09-14 22:35:50 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:15:39 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
Have a look at what actually happens over the next 30 years.,
He should have a look at your website from 2007 that was dedicated to your
abnormal trolling you 85-year-old trolling senile pest!
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Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-14 10:45:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by RJH
Post by Brian Reay
Conversely, if the off spring have obviously been sitting around
waiting for another hand out, moaning about how tough life is etc, tax
it at 100% and give it to the NHS.
You have a very cynical view of people. Very, very, few people 'sit
around waiting for hand-outs' out of choice.
But they do if your main source of information is the right wing gutter
press.
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mm0fmf
2019-09-12 17:07:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
WHS
Brian Gaff
2019-09-12 17:26:24 UTC
Permalink
The problem is I have a long garden, and if I'm going to be stung, then I'll
sell it and there will be huge density increases everywhere.
Brian
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Post by tim...
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth or
should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber baron
class' hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing bubble
and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value of a pile of
bricks?
Um, let me think?
NO
tim
Rod Speed
2019-09-12 15:58:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Stephen Cole
Should Corbyn set it at a rate designed merely to redistribute wealth
or should a more progressive level of taxation be applied to the robber
baron class’ hoardings, coupled with the introduction of rent control
legislation, in order to burst the massively over-inflated housing
bubble and collapse house prices back to nearer the true value
of a pile of bricks?
He's much more likely to have the state grab the lot and turn
everyone into council housing tenants with no compensation.

And nothing done with land value tax would do that last of yours anyway.
Peeler
2019-09-12 18:18:15 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 01:58:19 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH senile Australian asshole troll's latest trollshit>

01:58 am??? LMAO! Is your senility not letting you sleep in again, senile
Rodent? Or is it your unbearable loneliness that makes you get up EVERY
NIGHT between 1 and 4 am in Australia, you obnoxious pest?
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Grikbashtar®™
2019-09-12 20:37:19 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:18:15 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
<***@valid.invalid> wrote:

[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!

HOW, late are, you gonna stay up and STALK this your latest stalking
beneficiary anus?

TWO am?

LOLOK
Peeler
2019-09-12 21:05:44 UTC
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Our resident pedophilic serb idiot BRAGS about her clinical insanity, AGAIN!
Post by Grikbashtar®™
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:18:15 +0200, Foreskin Peeler
[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]
Watch, it geezer!
HOW, late are, you gonna stay up and STALK this your latest stalking
beneficiary anus?
TWO am?
LOLOK
BRUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! How do you manage to sound like a
COMPLETE IDIOT all of the time, pedophilic gay Razovic? What's your secret?
It's GENETIC with you, isn't it? It's REALLY REALLY genetic! LMAO
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