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Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg is taking court action for defamation against me.
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Noel O'Gara
2007-11-29 12:17:05 UTC
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CASE NUMBER 7MA90367

Mr C.A. Gregg v Mr N. O'Gara





Dear Sir,

In reply to your letter dated 31st October but received by me on 16th
November and your file of statements served on me on Friday 23rd
November, I wish to enter the following submission to the court.
Your Application for summary judgment by the claimant set down for
Friday, the 7th December at Liverpool District Registry of the High
court, 35 Vernon Street , Liverpool is a most blatant abuse of the
process of law and I ask that it be struck out or dismissed. The
Claimant says he 'waives his right to a jury trial', indicating that
he and his representatives are well aware that it SHOULD come before a
jury.
He may waive HIS right, but he cannot waive MY right to a jury
trial, and I respectfully insist that if they decide to continue, it
must be heard by a jury.
I also ask that costs to date be awarded to me.
I have a valid defense to the claim because the words complained of
are statements of facts and reasonable assumptions based on certain
facts and it is a matter for a jury to decide if that is contested.
Lewis Hymanson and Small have stated that I have failed to provide
particulars to support my defence. This is misleading. My defence is
contained in the web page which is part of a larger web site that
proves that Peter Sutcliffe is not the Yorkshire Ripper but rather a
copycat killer who was offered ten years in a mental home in exchange
for his confessions for the Ripper's murders in addition to his own
killings.
They refer to the Civil Evidence Act 1968 which asserted that a court
conviction was sufficient evidence to prove that a person convicted
did commit the offence. That Act has been repealed by the 1995 Act.
The exoneration and release of the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the
Maguire 7, Stefan Kiszko, Anthony Steel, Winston Silcott, the
Bridgewater three, Dereck Bentley, the Cardiff three, Judith Ward,
Robert Brown, Barry George to name but a few of the innocent people
who were framed by corrupt police statements and convicted for
murders and were subsequently freed by appeal judges is telling
evidence that a conviction in a court of law is not proof that a
person committed the crime.
In particular the stitch up of innocent Stefan Kiszko stands out and
that was orchestrated by Detective Superintendant Dick Holland of the
West Yorkshire police who was subsequently charged with perverting the
course of justice but not proceeded with.

In view of all these miscarriages of justice but which would more
correctly be described as police stitch-ups; the assertion by the
claimant Mr Gregg that because John Humble was convicted by a court
and therefore he is guilty is not by any means absolute proof of his
guilt. He did not have a jury trial.
Humble was a vulnerable alcoholic who had a past criminal record and
when he was arrested and charged with being the Ripper hoaxer he
cooperated with the police and had no trial before a jury because he
had been coerced into confessing to the crime and he had no way out of
his predicament. This man was a vulnerable chronic drunk who couldn't
remember his movements or actions and was easily convinced that if he
didn't cooperate with the police he would get a longer sentence for
attempted murder. Fabricated DNA alleged to have linked him to the
letters was never authenticated or independently tested and all one
has to do is look at his handwriting to see that he was not the man
who sent the Ripper's letters to George Oldfield.
The Birmingham 6 and all the other innocent victims of police frame
ups referred to above were protesting their innocence from the time
they were arrested and their convictions in court didn't alter the
facts that they were innocent. Meanwhile the real killers and bombers
remained free and safe from investigation.
A similar scenario exists in this case and the real Yorkshire Ripper
who sent the letters and a taped message to the police is still a free
man and living in the UK today safe in the knowledge that the police
will not wish to reinvestigate his crimes because a court has
convicted Sutcliffe of them.
These are facts that will be put to the jury if this action continues
and I wish to make it clear that only a jury can decide on such
serious allegations and counter allegations.

Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg who is head of the Homicide
and Major Enquiries team in the West Yorkshire police force and who
was responsible for the conviction of John Humble as the Ripper Hoaxer
in 2005 has served me with papers saying that I have libeled him in my
web site and he is seeking 50,000 pounds damages and seeking an
injunction to prevent me publishing my claims.
His lawyers, Messrs Lewis Hymanson and Small solicitors of Manchester
are now seeking summary judgment from a judge alone by intimating that
he is such a senior policeman and my defence to my allegations have no
real prospect of success. Just as Detective Gregg denied John Humble
a jury trial he is now resorting to similar tactics in his defamation
action.
The statements he complains of are contained in this web page which is
an update of my book and web site entitled the Real Yorkshire Ripper.
My web site address is www.yorkshireripper.com

http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm

Truth is an absolute defense to an allegation of libel and I am only
saying what I know to be true.
My web site and book is the basis of my evidence and it must be taken
in its entirety.


I informed the claimants that I live in Ireland and I work in Ireland
and I published my book and web site in Ireland and therefore if he
wished to take legal action against me he should do so in Ireland and
I would be happy to defend myself before a judge and a jury because I
stand over everything I wrote.
The real Ripper is still a free man and the murders have not stopped.

The john Humble case must be looked at in the context of the Yorkshire
Ripper investigation.
Chris Gregg has claimed to have solved a mystery that eluded the
police for the five years of the Ripper investigation and was the
subject of massive national and international publicity to unmask the
author of the letters and the tape recorded voice message.
That was to compare the hand writing and listen to the voice.
Without doubt John Humble was not regarded as the author of that tape
at that time when it was being played at every news broadcast in his
home town over the two years prior to the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe.
All his family and acquaintances who knew his voice intimately failed
to point a finger at him at this time and yet he now says he did send
the tape when confronted with a police fait accompli that his DNA was
found on one of the letters. This was found notwithstanding the fact
that the tapes and letters were reported to have been lost or
destroyed after the trial of Sutcliffe just as the clothes and
belongings of Sutcliffe were ordered to be brought to an incinerator
by the chief constable Ronald Gregory after his trial.
see the Sun article on this web page for evidence of this.
http://yorkshireripper.com/bilton.htm
Humble actually wrote to the author from his prison cell and his hand
writing is totally different to the letters sent by the Ripper to
Oldfield.
I will attend court and request a jury trial and I will have evidence
of the stitch up of Sutcliffe and a murder weapon belonging to the
real Ripper that the police dont wish to investigate as well as some
witnesses who read my book and support me fully including the fact
that Chris Gregg consciously framed the vulnerable John Humble knowing
him to be innocent.
Humble was just another patsy to close off that embarrassing gap in
the Ripper case but the evidence remains on the record that there were
two killers involved in the Ripper hunt and there was evidence that
the same person who sent the letters and tape to George Oldfield was
also the killer of Joan Harrison in Preston in 1975, a murder still
unsolved but no doubt Gregg has the way to solve any crime with
fabricated DNA used against defenceless ex criminals who have no
support and have learned to accept the best deal going when they are
faced with a stitch up.
Gregg is desperately trying to shore up the cracks that are opening up
in the conviction of Sutcliffe but the evidence is now too strong to
hold that together.
David Bruce the chief crime correspondent of the Yorkshire Evening
Post is Gregg's only independent witness that he has been libeled.
Bruce who is 30 years a crime reporter with that paper has a record of
covering up police crime and helping to keep people like Stefan
Kiszko, Anthony Steel and Judith Ward locked away knowing they had
been framed by bent cops. He made a living getting tip offs from these
policemen who used him. Having the inside track on criminal cases
always got him the headlines. If anything other than official police
statements came to his attention such as Stefan Kiszko's alibi or
Judith Ward's claims of innocence, Bruce would dismiss them and so he
has been complicit in the crimes of these corrupt policemen in a very
sinister way for many years by misleading the general public and
concealing their cries of innocence. It is telling that he is the one
witness Chris Gregg can now call upon for help and his statement that
he didn't believe my allegations for one moment is reminiscent of his
statements about Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward and Anthony Steel who were
all framed by corrupt policemen and their crimes written up by him
without reservation.




Noel O'Gara


Copy my book enclosed as part of my defense evidence.
Address of my web site the full contents of which is part of my
defense evidence.
These are for the attention of the jury and will have to be read by
them in the libel trial.
Copy of a selection of reviews and articles published by British
newspapers at the time of the Ripper hunt and prior to the trial of
Peter Sutcliffe indexed 1 to 31 and dated.
Peter Sutcliffe will be sub poenaed to testify about his book writing
in which he now claims that he is not the Ripper.
Humble's handwriting, letters and voice will need to be compared and
examined by the jury.
kjh
2007-11-29 12:45:11 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:17:05 -0800 (PST), "Noel O'Gara"
Post by Noel O'Gara
CASE NUMBER 7MA90367
Mr C.A. Gregg v Mr N. O'Gara
. This man was a vulnerable chronic drunk who couldn't
remember his movements or actions and was easily convinced that if he
didn't cooperate with the police he would get a longer sentence for
attempted murder.
...and he happened to have a voice that was uncannily exactly the same
as the man on the tapes.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-11-29 13:11:04 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
CASE NUMBER 7MA90367
Mr C.A. Gregg v Mr N. O'Gara
Dear Sir,
In reply to your letter dated 31st October but received by me on 16th
November and your file of statements served on me on Friday 23rd
November, I wish to enter the following submission to the court.
Your Application for summary judgment by the claimant set down for
Friday, the 7th December at Liverpool District Registry of the High
court, 35 Vernon Street , Liverpool is a most blatant abuse of the
process of law and I ask that it be struck out or dismissed. The
Claimant says he 'waives his right to a jury trial', indicating that
he and his representatives are well aware that it SHOULD come before a
jury.
The proverb "when you're in a hole, stop digging" springs to mind here.
Arthur
2007-11-29 16:46:12 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
CASE NUMBER 7MA90367
Mr C.A. Gregg v Mr N. O'Gara
Dear Sir,
In reply to your letter dated 31st October but received by me on 16th
November and your file of statements served on me on Friday 23rd
November, I wish to enter the following submission to the court.
Your Application for summary judgment by the claimant set down for
Friday, the 7th December at Liverpool District Registry of the High
court, 35 Vernon Street , Liverpool is a most blatant abuse of the
process of law and I ask that it be struck out or dismissed. The
Claimant says he 'waives his right to a jury trial', indicating that
he and his representatives are well aware that it SHOULD come before a
jury.
He may waive HIS right, but he cannot waive MY right to a jury
trial, and I respectfully insist that if they decide to continue, it
must be heard by a jury.
I also ask that costs to date be awarded to me.
I have a valid defense to the claim because the words complained of
are statements of facts and reasonable assumptions based on certain
facts and it is a matter for a jury to decide if that is contested.
Lewis Hymanson and Small have stated that I have failed to provide
particulars to support my defence. This is misleading. My defence is
contained in the web page which is part of a larger web site that
proves that Peter Sutcliffe is not the Yorkshire Ripper but rather a
copycat killer who was offered ten years in a mental home in exchange
for his confessions for the Ripper's murders in addition to his own
killings.
They refer to the Civil Evidence Act 1968 which asserted that a court
conviction was sufficient evidence to prove that a person convicted
did commit the offence. That Act has been repealed by the 1995 Act.
The exoneration and release of the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the
Maguire 7, Stefan Kiszko, Anthony Steel, Winston Silcott, the
Bridgewater three, Dereck Bentley, the Cardiff three, Judith Ward,
Robert Brown, Barry George to name but a few of the innocent people
who were framed by corrupt police statements and convicted for
murders and were subsequently freed by appeal judges is telling
evidence that a conviction in a court of law is not proof that a
person committed the crime.
In particular the stitch up of innocent Stefan Kiszko stands out and
that was orchestrated by Detective Superintendant Dick Holland of the
West Yorkshire police who was subsequently charged with perverting the
course of justice but not proceeded with.
In view of all these miscarriages of justice but which would more
correctly be described as police stitch-ups; the assertion by the
claimant Mr Gregg that because John Humble was convicted by a court
and therefore he is guilty is not by any means absolute proof of his
guilt. He did not have a jury trial.
Humble was a vulnerable alcoholic who had a past criminal record and
when he was arrested and charged with being the Ripper hoaxer he
cooperated with the police and had no trial before a jury because he
had been coerced into confessing to the crime and he had no way out of
his predicament. This man was a vulnerable chronic drunk who couldn't
remember his movements or actions and was easily convinced that if he
didn't cooperate with the police he would get a longer sentence for
attempted murder. Fabricated DNA alleged to have linked him to the
letters was never authenticated or independently tested and all one
has to do is look at his handwriting to see that he was not the man
who sent the Ripper's letters to George Oldfield.
The Birmingham 6 and all the other innocent victims of police frame
ups referred to above were protesting their innocence from the time
they were arrested and their convictions in court didn't alter the
facts that they were innocent. Meanwhile the real killers and bombers
remained free and safe from investigation.
A similar scenario exists in this case and the real Yorkshire Ripper
who sent the letters and a taped message to the police is still a free
man and living in the UK today safe in the knowledge that the police
will not wish to reinvestigate his crimes because a court has
convicted Sutcliffe of them.
These are facts that will be put to the jury if this action continues
and I wish to make it clear that only a jury can decide on such
serious allegations and counter allegations.
Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg who is head of the Homicide
and Major Enquiries team in the West Yorkshire police force and who
was responsible for the conviction of John Humble as the Ripper Hoaxer
in 2005 has served me with papers saying that I have libeled him in my
web site and he is seeking 50,000 pounds damages and seeking an
injunction to prevent me publishing my claims.
His lawyers, Messrs Lewis Hymanson and Small solicitors of Manchester
are now seeking summary judgment from a judge alone by intimating that
he is such a senior policeman and my defence to my allegations have no
real prospect of success. Just as Detective Gregg denied John Humble
a jury trial he is now resorting to similar tactics in his defamation
action.
The statements he complains of are contained in this web page which is
an update of my book and web site entitled the Real Yorkshire Ripper.
My web site address is www.yorkshireripper.com
http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm
Truth is an absolute defense to an allegation of libel and I am only
saying what I know to be true.
My web site and book is the basis of my evidence and it must be taken
in its entirety.
I informed the claimants that I live in Ireland and I work in Ireland
and I published my book and web site in Ireland and therefore if he
wished to take legal action against me he should do so in Ireland and
I would be happy to defend myself before a judge and a jury because I
stand over everything I wrote.
The real Ripper is still a free man and the murders have not stopped.
The john Humble case must be looked at in the context of the Yorkshire
Ripper investigation.
Chris Gregg has claimed to have solved a mystery that eluded the
police for the five years of the Ripper investigation and was the
subject of massive national and international publicity to unmask the
author of the letters and the tape recorded voice message.
That was to compare the hand writing and listen to the voice.
Without doubt John Humble was not regarded as the author of that tape
at that time when it was being played at every news broadcast in his
home town over the two years prior to the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe.
All his family and acquaintances who knew his voice intimately failed
to point a finger at him at this time and yet he now says he did send
the tape when confronted with a police fait accompli that his DNA was
found on one of the letters. This was found notwithstanding the fact
that the tapes and letters were reported to have been lost or
destroyed after the trial of Sutcliffe just as the clothes and
belongings of Sutcliffe were ordered to be brought to an incinerator
by the chief constable Ronald Gregory after his trial.
see the Sun article on this web page for evidence of this.
http://yorkshireripper.com/bilton.htm
Humble actually wrote to the author from his prison cell and his hand
writing is totally different to the letters sent by the Ripper to
Oldfield.
I will attend court and request a jury trial and I will have evidence
of the stitch up of Sutcliffe and a murder weapon belonging to the
real Ripper that the police dont wish to investigate as well as some
witnesses who read my book and support me fully including the fact
that Chris Gregg consciously framed the vulnerable John Humble knowing
him to be innocent.
Humble was just another patsy to close off that embarrassing gap in
the Ripper case but the evidence remains on the record that there were
two killers involved in the Ripper hunt and there was evidence that
the same person who sent the letters and tape to George Oldfield was
also the killer of Joan Harrison in Preston in 1975, a murder still
unsolved but no doubt Gregg has the way to solve any crime with
fabricated DNA used against defenceless ex criminals who have no
support and have learned to accept the best deal going when they are
faced with a stitch up.
Gregg is desperately trying to shore up the cracks that are opening up
in the conviction of Sutcliffe but the evidence is now too strong to
hold that together.
David Bruce the chief crime correspondent of the Yorkshire Evening
Post is Gregg's only independent witness that he has been libeled.
Bruce who is 30 years a crime reporter with that paper has a record of
covering up police crime and helping to keep people like Stefan
Kiszko, Anthony Steel and Judith Ward locked away knowing they had
been framed by bent cops. He made a living getting tip offs from these
policemen who used him. Having the inside track on criminal cases
always got him the headlines. If anything other than official police
statements came to his attention such as Stefan Kiszko's alibi or
Judith Ward's claims of innocence, Bruce would dismiss them and so he
has been complicit in the crimes of these corrupt policemen in a very
sinister way for many years by misleading the general public and
concealing their cries of innocence. It is telling that he is the one
witness Chris Gregg can now call upon for help and his statement that
he didn't believe my allegations for one moment is reminiscent of his
statements about Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward and Anthony Steel who were
all framed by corrupt policemen and their crimes written up by him
without reservation.
Noel O'Gara
Copy my book enclosed as part of my defense evidence.
Address of my web site the full contents of which is part of my
defense evidence.
These are for the attention of the jury and will have to be read by
them in the libel trial.
Copy of a selection of reviews and articles published by British
newspapers at the time of the Ripper hunt and prior to the trial of
Peter Sutcliffe indexed 1 to 31 and dated.
Peter Sutcliffe will be sub poenaed to testify about his book writing
in which he now claims that he is not the Ripper.
Humble's handwriting, letters and voice will need to be compared and
examined by the jury.
LOL! You're fucked now o'gara, get yer cheque book out, or at least plead
insanity, you'll walk it on them grounds.
DaveG
2007-11-29 18:56:07 UTC
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:46:12 +0000, Arthur wrote:

<snip crap>
<snip more crap>

Why bother? Nothing new to say?
--
Dave
Our business in life is not to succeed,
but to continue to fail in good spirits.
Robert Louis Stevenson
Tommy McTwattybumbum
2007-11-29 19:11:02 UTC
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Stop smoking crack!
Tony.
2007-11-29 22:49:56 UTC
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Post by Tommy McTwattybumbum
Stop smoking crack!
Hey O'Gara, youre amultimillionaire remember, you own acar park worth
170 million, an antique business in Dublin worth a million, a large
victorian farmhouse and land worth 1/2 million...hell whats 50grand to
you, cough it up and move on....lve yer heaps.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-11-29 23:08:15 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Tommy McTwattybumbum
Stop smoking crack!
Hey O'Gara, youre amultimillionaire remember, you own acar park worth
170 million, an antique business in Dublin worth a million, a large
victorian farmhouse and land worth 1/2 million...hell whats 50grand to
you, cough it up and move on....lve yer heaps.
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo malt, guys,
the fun's about to start,
Noel O'Gara
2007-11-30 00:22:26 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo malt, guys,
the fun's about to start,
I forgot to enclose the list of articles to support my claims.
INDEX OF SUPPORTING COPY NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
AND REVIEWS OF MY PUBLICATION.

1. Copy letter from Paul Webb dated 6th June 1993.
2. Copy letter dated July 1984 from Ian Smith, Editor of Chief
Constable Ronald Gregory's memoirs.
3. Copy of full page advert for my book in TRUE DETECTIVE magazine.
4. Copy letter from Mick McDermott.
5. Copy review by leading true crime author Colin Wilson dated 14th
October 2004.
6. Copy review by Jay Taylor in City Life magazine Manchester dated
August 1991.
7. The third "Hoax" letter sent to ACC George Oldfield.
8. Part of John Humble's letter sent from Armley jail to the author.
9. Part of same.
10. Sunday Times article dated 23rd November 1980 headed RIPPER. DID
ONE MAN REALLY DO ALL THIS?
11. Sunday Telegraph article dated 11th November 1979 headed THE HUNT
FOR THE RIPPER.
12. Evening Press article dated 25 May 1981 headed COPYCAT KILLER AT
LARGE - WARNS RIPPER.
13. Daily Mirror article dated 9th May 1981 headed RIPPER'S JOY OVER A
'TEN YEAR DEAL'.
14. Telegraph and Argus article dated 12th September 1980 headed NEW
FACTS ON RIPPER CLAIM ; POLICE ANGERED.
15. Telegraph and Argus article dated 7th July 1977 headed BEARDED MAN
COULD HOLD KILLER CLUE.
16. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed NEW FEAR AFTER VICE
GIRL'S MURDER.
17. Daily Mirror article dated 31st January 1976 headed RIPPER HUNT
FOR MISTER HAIRY HANDS.
18. The Sun article dated 4th May 1981 headed I TOLD MY CHIEFS 'HE'S
THE RIPPER' 18 MONTHS BEFORE THEY SEIZED HIM.
19. Photo of Billy Tracey and the police identikit picture of Ripper.
20. Yorkshire Post article dated 8th January 1980 headed THERE COULD
BE TWO RIPPERS SAY POLICE.
21. Daily Star article dated May 1981 headed 12 TIMES THE POLICE LET
HIM GO!
22. Article headed HOW THE FACE OF THE KILLER CHANGED.
23. Daily Mail article dated 23rd May 1981 headed THE COSY HOME THEY
HAD READY FOR THE RIPPER.
24. Daily Mirror article dated 23 May 1981 headed WHY THE POLICE RULED
OUT SUTCLIFFE..
25. The Sun article dated 5th May 1981 headed POLICE CHIEF GAGS THE
RIPPER SQUAD.
26. Yorkshire Post article dated 4th December 1980 headed RIPPER CLUE
THAT POLICE CANNOT EXPLOIT.
27. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed POLICE HUNT RIVAL
RIPPER.
28. Yorkshire Post article dated 2nd December 1980 headed BONFIRE
NIGHT ATTACK 'NOT RIPPER'S WORK'.
29. Daily Mail article dated 28th March 1978 headed YVONNE; A VICTIM
OF THE CARBON COPY RIPPER.
30. Yorkshire Post article dated 19th November 1980 headed ANOTHER
MANIAC AT LARGE.
31. Sunday Times article dated September 1995 headed FOOTSTEPS OF THE
RIPPER.

By the way when the Ripper murders were at their height you bums were
just bulshitters on the beer and you havent changed a bit.
Tony.
2007-11-30 00:37:54 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo
malt, guys,
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
the fun's about to start,
I forgot to enclose the list of articles to support my claims.
INDEX OF SUPPORTING COPY NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
AND REVIEWS OF MY PUBLICATION.
1. Copy letter from Paul Webb dated 6th June 1993.
2. Copy letter dated July 1984 from Ian Smith, Editor of Chief
Constable Ronald Gregory's memoirs.
3. Copy of full page advert for my book in TRUE DETECTIVE magazine.
4. Copy letter from Mick McDermott.
5. Copy review by leading true crime author Colin Wilson dated 14th
October 2004.
6. Copy review by Jay Taylor in City Life magazine Manchester dated
August 1991.
7. The third "Hoax" letter sent to ACC George Oldfield.
8. Part of John Humble's letter sent from Armley jail to the author.
9. Part of same.
10. Sunday Times article dated 23rd November 1980 headed RIPPER. DID
ONE MAN REALLY DO ALL THIS?
11. Sunday Telegraph article dated 11th November 1979 headed THE HUNT
FOR THE RIPPER.
12. Evening Press article dated 25 May 1981 headed COPYCAT KILLER AT
LARGE - WARNS RIPPER.
13. Daily Mirror article dated 9th May 1981 headed RIPPER'S JOY OVER A
'TEN YEAR DEAL'.
14. Telegraph and Argus article dated 12th September 1980 headed NEW
FACTS ON RIPPER CLAIM ; POLICE ANGERED.
15. Telegraph and Argus article dated 7th July 1977 headed BEARDED MAN
COULD HOLD KILLER CLUE.
16. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed NEW FEAR AFTER VICE
GIRL'S MURDER.
17. Daily Mirror article dated 31st January 1976 headed RIPPER HUNT
FOR MISTER HAIRY HANDS.
18. The Sun article dated 4th May 1981 headed I TOLD MY CHIEFS 'HE'S
THE RIPPER' 18 MONTHS BEFORE THEY SEIZED HIM.
19. Photo of Billy Tracey and the police identikit picture of Ripper.
20. Yorkshire Post article dated 8th January 1980 headed THERE COULD
BE TWO RIPPERS SAY POLICE.
21. Daily Star article dated May 1981 headed 12 TIMES THE POLICE LET
HIM GO!
22. Article headed HOW THE FACE OF THE KILLER CHANGED.
23. Daily Mail article dated 23rd May 1981 headed THE COSY HOME THEY
HAD READY FOR THE RIPPER.
24. Daily Mirror article dated 23 May 1981 headed WHY THE POLICE RULED
OUT SUTCLIFFE..
25. The Sun article dated 5th May 1981 headed POLICE CHIEF GAGS THE
RIPPER SQUAD.
26. Yorkshire Post article dated 4th December 1980 headed RIPPER CLUE
THAT POLICE CANNOT EXPLOIT.
27. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed POLICE HUNT RIVAL
RIPPER.
28. Yorkshire Post article dated 2nd December 1980 headed BONFIRE
NIGHT ATTACK 'NOT RIPPER'S WORK'.
29. Daily Mail article dated 28th March 1978 headed YVONNE; A VICTIM
OF THE CARBON COPY RIPPER.
30. Yorkshire Post article dated 19th November 1980 headed ANOTHER
MANIAC AT LARGE.
31. Sunday Times article dated September 1995 headed FOOTSTEPS OF THE
RIPPER.
By the way when the Ripper murders were at their height you bums were
just bulshitters on the beer and you havent changed a bit.
So who yer going to ask as witnesses who will come along to support
you.....Im betting that if you try to subpoena Sutcliffe that request
will be denied, and god forbid youre going to defend yourself or get
Patrick to be your Mckenzie friend...how much are you down already
this year, and what is your farm worth, I might know someone who would
buy it off you
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-11-30 00:45:46 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo
malt, guys,
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
the fun's about to start,
I forgot to enclose the list of articles to support my claims.
By the way when the Ripper murders were at their height you bums were
just bulshitters on the beer and you havent changed a bit.
So who yer going to ask as witnesses who will come along to support
you.....Im betting that if you try to subpoena Sutcliffe that request
will be denied, and god forbid youre going to defend yourself or get
Patrick to be your Mckenzie friend...how much are you down already
this year, and what is your farm worth, I might know someone who would
buy it off you
You're as bad as each other. Mad as cunts.
Tony.
2007-11-30 00:53:52 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo
malt, guys,
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
the fun's about to start,
I forgot to enclose the list of articles to support my claims.
By the way when the Ripper murders were at their height you bums were
just bulshitters on the beer and you havent changed a bit.
So who yer going to ask as witnesses who will come along to support
you.....Im betting that if you try to subpoena Sutcliffe that request
will be denied, and god forbid youre going to defend yourself or get
Patrick to be your Mckenzie friend...how much are you down already
this year, and what is your farm worth, I might know someone who would
buy it off you
You're as bad as each other. Mad as cunts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yer but he does own anice farm, thats gotta be worth abob or
two.....imagine spending your summers there Doc. wouldnt you just like
that?
Tommy McTwattybumbum
2007-11-30 16:57:35 UTC
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"Tony." <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:38068f77-2dce-4f95-b744-***@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
: On Nov 30, 11:22 am, "Noel O'Gara" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > On Nov 29, 11:08 pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <***@attic.info> wrote:>
"Tony." <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: > > Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo
: > malt, guys,
: >
: > > the fun's about to start,
: >
: > I forgot to enclose the list of articles to support my claims.
: > INDEX OF SUPPORTING COPY NEWSPAPER ARTICLES
: > AND REVIEWS OF MY PUBLICATION.
: >
: > 1. Copy letter from Paul Webb dated 6th June 1993.
: > 2. Copy letter dated July 1984 from Ian Smith, Editor of Chief
: > Constable Ronald Gregory's memoirs.
: > 3. Copy of full page advert for my book in TRUE DETECTIVE magazine.
: > 4. Copy letter from Mick McDermott.
: > 5. Copy review by leading true crime author Colin Wilson dated 14th
: > October 2004.
: > 6. Copy review by Jay Taylor in City Life magazine Manchester dated
: > August 1991.
: > 7. The third "Hoax" letter sent to ACC George Oldfield.
: > 8. Part of John Humble's letter sent from Armley jail to the
author.
: > 9. Part of same.
: > 10. Sunday Times article dated 23rd November 1980 headed RIPPER. DID
: > ONE MAN REALLY DO ALL THIS?
: > 11. Sunday Telegraph article dated 11th November 1979 headed THE
HUNT
: > FOR THE RIPPER.
: > 12. Evening Press article dated 25 May 1981 headed COPYCAT KILLER AT
: > LARGE - WARNS RIPPER.
: > 13. Daily Mirror article dated 9th May 1981 headed RIPPER'S JOY OVER
A
: > 'TEN YEAR DEAL'.
: > 14. Telegraph and Argus article dated 12th September 1980 headed NEW
: > FACTS ON RIPPER CLAIM ; POLICE ANGERED.
: > 15. Telegraph and Argus article dated 7th July 1977 headed BEARDED
MAN
: > COULD HOLD KILLER CLUE.
: > 16. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed NEW FEAR AFTER VICE
: > GIRL'S MURDER.
: > 17. Daily Mirror article dated 31st January 1976 headed RIPPER HUNT
: > FOR MISTER HAIRY HANDS.
: > 18. The Sun article dated 4th May 1981 headed I TOLD MY CHIEFS 'HE'S
: > THE RIPPER' 18 MONTHS BEFORE THEY SEIZED HIM.
: > 19. Photo of Billy Tracey and the police identikit picture of
Ripper.
: > 20. Yorkshire Post article dated 8th January 1980 headed THERE COULD
: > BE TWO RIPPERS SAY POLICE.
: > 21. Daily Star article dated May 1981 headed 12 TIMES THE POLICE LET
: > HIM GO!
: > 22. Article headed HOW THE FACE OF THE KILLER CHANGED.
: > 23. Daily Mail article dated 23rd May 1981 headed THE COSY HOME THEY
: > HAD READY FOR THE RIPPER.
: > 24. Daily Mirror article dated 23 May 1981 headed WHY THE POLICE
RULED
: > OUT SUTCLIFFE..
: > 25. The Sun article dated 5th May 1981 headed POLICE CHIEF GAGS THE
: > RIPPER SQUAD.
: > 26. Yorkshire Post article dated 4th December 1980 headed RIPPER
CLUE
: > THAT POLICE CANNOT EXPLOIT.
: > 27. The Sun article dated 28th March 1978 headed POLICE HUNT RIVAL
: > RIPPER.
: > 28. Yorkshire Post article dated 2nd December 1980 headed BONFIRE
: > NIGHT ATTACK 'NOT RIPPER'S WORK'.
: > 29. Daily Mail article dated 28th March 1978 headed YVONNE; A VICTIM
: > OF THE CARBON COPY RIPPER.
: > 30. Yorkshire Post article dated 19th November 1980 headed ANOTHER
: > MANIAC AT LARGE.
: > 31. Sunday Times article dated September 1995 headed FOOTSTEPS OF
THE
: > RIPPER.
: >
: > By the way when the Ripper murders were at their height you bums were
: > just bulshitters on the beer and you havent changed a bit.
:
: So who yer going to ask as witnesses who will come along to support
: you.....Im betting that if you try to subpoena Sutcliffe that request
: will be denied, and god forbid youre going to defend yourself or get
: Patrick to be your Mckenzie friend...how much are you down already
: this year, and what is your farm worth, I might know someone who would
: buy it off you


I'm laying £20 on the table and it's my final offer. I'm going to leave the
room for a few minutes, I'll understand if it's gone.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-01 03:18:04 UTC
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Hmmmmm........

This case appears to centre around John Humble....

What comes to my mind is the fact that the West Yorkshire Police were
parading that supposedly "hoax" Ripper tape all around the north of
England during 1979-80.

It is inconceivable that John Humble's family and neighbours would not
have made the connection at the time back in 1979-80........... IF
John Humble really were the hoaxer........

What if it were not a hoax at all?

What if the voice on that tape was in fact the authentic voice of the
Yorkshire Ripper..... putting on a fake accent.

If you have a recording of the police interview in which John Humble
was ordered to recite the text of the hoax Ripper tape of 1979, just
replay it a few times, and you will be able to discern that the voice
on the Ripper tape of 1979 is NOT the voice of John Humble.

Noel O'Gara is right.

Noel O'Gara has not committed libel.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-01 03:28:59 UTC
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I'M JACK.

I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the greatest
respect for you, George, but you are no nearer catching me now than
four years ago when I started. Your boys are letting you down,
George.
You can't be much good, can you.......
The only time you came near catching me was a few months back in
Chapeltown........
At the rate I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think
it's eleven up to now, isn't it...
I'm not quite sure when I'll strike again, but it will be
definitely some time this year, maybe September or October, even
sooner
if I have the chance.
I can't see myself being nicked just yet. Even if you do get near,
I'd probably top myself first......
Maybe some older whore next time, possibly Manchester......
Well, it's been nice chatting with you, George.
See you soon. Bye.
Hope you like the catchy tune at the end.
Ha! Ha!"

================================================

Listening again to the voice on that tape of the real Yorkshire
Ripper,
which terrorised the north of England in 1979, it is obvious that
THIS
IS A MAN OF POWER.
This man has nothing in common with John Humble.
The voice on that tape has an aura of menace, derived from strength
and
power and self assurance. This was a man who felt fully self
confident
inside himself, a man who knew he was superior in intellect and
cunning
to the police and had the power to torment them with his
invincibility.
That voice, and the powerfully malign personality behind it, have no
connection with John Humble.
That is a powerful, highly intelligent and literate man, although
capable of using bad grammar for effect.
How were the West Yorkshire Police so intimidated by that voice?
Looking at John Humble, do you really think he has the force of
personality to cause the entire West Yorkshire Police force to cower
away from him and to dance to his tune?

Listen again to the original tape of the real Yorkshire Ripper.
That is a MAN OF POWER.
Not John Humble.

===========================================

What did John Humble's neighbours and friends have to say about him?

Quoting from Channel Four (UK):

+++But could this shambolic character really be responsible for
carrying out one of the greatest hoaxes in British criminal history?

First neighbour:
***I didn't know what was going on when I found out; I says oh no,
not John, canna be John, you know....

Second neighbour:
He's a harmless bloke, you know what I mean; he wouldn't harm a
fly, you know......

Third neighbour:
I thought, I thought that something happened with him, but never
thought it would have been this....... +++

==================================================

One of the foremost linguistic experts in the north of England,
Stanley
Ellis, said at the time:
"This was an identifiable voice; there must be people all over the
area who would know this man - his relatives and his neighbours."

Diane Simpson, handwriting expert stated at the time:
"... it wasn't a weak man; he wasn't a bit of a wimp; this was
not a pussycat..."

Listen again to the tape of the original Ripper.
That is a MAN OF POWER.
That is a man who knows he can run rings around the police and make
them dance to his tune, because he knows he is the intellectual
superior of the police.

And that is not John Humble.
==================================================
==================================================
"I'M JACK.

I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the greatest
respect for you, George, but you are no nearer catching me now than
four years ago when I started. Your boys are letting you down,
George.
You can't be much good, can you?
The only time you came near catching me was a few months back in
Chapeltown.
At the rate I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think
it's eleven up to now, isn't it...
I'm not quite sure when I'll strike again, but it will be
definitely some time this year, maybe September or October, even
sooner
if I have the chance. I can't see myself being nicked just yet. Even
if you do get near, I'd probably top myself first......
Maybe some older whore next time, possibly Manchester......
Well, it's been nice chatting with you, George.
See you soon. Bye.
Hope you like the catchy tune at the end.
Ha! Ha!"
==================================================

NOT the voice of John Humble.

==================================================
==================================================
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-01 09:07:54 UTC
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On Dec 1, 3:28 am, Old Jinglebollocks
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
I'M JACK.
I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the greatest
respect for you, George, but you are no nearer catching me now than
four years ago when I started. Your boys are letting you down,
George.
You can't be much good, can you.......
The only time you came near catching me was a few months back in
Chapeltown........
At the rate I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think
it's eleven up to now, isn't it...
I'm not quite sure when I'll strike again, but it will be
definitely some time this year, maybe September or October, even
sooner
if I have the chance.
I can't see myself being nicked just yet. Even if you do get near,
I'd probably top myself first......
Maybe some older whore next time, possibly Manchester......
Well, it's been nice chatting with you, George.
See you soon. Bye.
Hope you like the catchy tune at the end.
Ha! Ha!"
================================================
Listening again to the voice on that tape of the real Yorkshire
Ripper,
which terrorised the north of England in 1979, it is obvious that
THIS
IS A MAN OF POWER.
This man has nothing in common with John Humble.
The voice on that tape has an aura of menace, derived from strength
and
power and self assurance. This was a man who felt fully self
confident
inside himself, a man who knew he was superior in intellect and
cunning
to the police and had the power to torment them with his
invincibility.
That voice, and the powerfully malign personality behind it, have no
connection with John Humble.
That is a powerful, highly intelligent and literate man, although
capable of using bad grammar for effect.
How were the West Yorkshire Police so intimidated by that voice?
Looking at John Humble, do you really think he has the force of
personality to cause the entire West Yorkshire Police force to cower
away from him and to dance to his tune?
Listen again to the original tape of the real Yorkshire Ripper.
That is a MAN OF POWER.
Not John Humble.
===========================================
What did John Humble's neighbours and friends have to say about him?
+++But could this shambolic character really be responsible for
carrying out one of the greatest hoaxes in British criminal history?
***I didn't know what was going on when I found out; I says oh no,
not John, canna be John, you know....
He's a harmless bloke, you know what I mean; he wouldn't harm a
fly, you know......
I thought, I thought that something happened with him, but never
thought it would have been this....... +++
==================================================
One of the foremost linguistic experts in the north of England,
Stanley
"This was an identifiable voice; there must be people all over the
area who would know this man - his relatives and his neighbours."
"... it wasn't a weak man; he wasn't a bit of a wimp; this was
not a pussycat..."
Listen again to the tape of the original Ripper.
That is a MAN OF POWER.
That is a man who knows he can run rings around the police and make
them dance to his tune, because he knows he is the intellectual
superior of the police.
And that is not John Humble.
==================================================
==================================================
"I'M JACK.
I see you are still having no luck catching me. I have the greatest
respect for you, George, but you are no nearer catching me now than
four years ago when I started. Your boys are letting you down,
George.
You can't be much good, can you?
The only time you came near catching me was a few months back in
Chapeltown.
At the rate I'm going I should be in the book of records. I think
it's eleven up to now, isn't it...
I'm not quite sure when I'll strike again, but it will be
definitely some time this year, maybe September or October, even
sooner
if I have the chance. I can't see myself being nicked just yet. Even
if you do get near, I'd probably top myself first......
Maybe some older whore next time, possibly Manchester......
Well, it's been nice chatting with you, George.
See you soon. Bye.
Hope you like the catchy tune at the end.
Ha! Ha!"
==================================================
NOT the voice of John Humble.
==================================================
==================================================
That is a very well put analysis of John Humble the drunken Geordie
layabout who was framed as the hoaxer by a bent cop who is now sueing
me for defamation.
Gregg's solicitors are doing their damndest to pervert the law in this
action as in Humble's case.
They are looking for summary judgement on all sort of airy fairy legal
reasons. They are running scared of a jury because the cat would come
out of the bag if that happened and it would amount to a jury trial of
Humble.
That would expose the frame up and a lot more.

http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm

One has only to take a look at Humble's handwriting and compare it
with the Ripper's letter to Oldfield and any jury would see that he is
telling a lie to cooperate with the blackmail deal he has been pushed
into by the police.
DaveG
2007-12-01 13:10:26 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:07:54 -0800, Noel O'Gara wrote:

<snip crap>

I see you're posting about MI5 again.
--
Dave
Our business in life is not to succeed,
but to continue to fail in good spirits.
Robert Louis Stevenson
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-02 14:24:10 UTC
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Post by DaveG
I see you're posting about MI5 again.
No I am posting about British justice.
The question is can a person who claims his is libelled get a summary
order from a British court without the defendant ever having a chance
to defend himself?

Thats what Chris Gregg's solicitors are seeking. They claim that I
failed to put in a defence which is untrue. It was sent to them and to
the court but they say it is no defence.
They are seeking a summary order against me from a judge when I asked
for a jury trial to defend my publication.

Lets wait and see what the Liverpool judge says.
Nothing about the arbitrary and unjust nature of British justice
surprises me anymore.
Jury trials are avoided at all costs by judges and solicitors who use
the biased judges to get orders that a jury would never wear.

I live in Ireland anyway so an order in a British court wouldnt be
worth a cent. I did request that they arrange the case in a Dublin
court but they have a clear preference for their own biased courts
which are loaded with the biased judges who favour the police and will
not favour an Irishman over their top cop.


http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm

check out John Humble's handwriting against the Ripper letters and
judge for yourself if he wrote it.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-02 14:39:11 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
Post by DaveG
I see you're posting about MI5 again.
No I am posting about British justice.
The question is can a person who claims his is libelled get a summary
order from a British court without the defendant ever having a chance
to defend himself?
Yes, it's called summary judgement becasue either failed to enter a defence
or put in a statement which did not disclose a valid defence on the face of
it.
Post by Noel O'Gara
Thats what Chris Gregg's solicitors are seeking. They claim that I
failed to put in a defence which is untrue. It was sent to them and to
the court but they say it is no defence.
They are seeking a summary order against me from a judge when I asked
for a jury trial to defend my publication.
Jury trials are rare in libel trials these days.
Post by Noel O'Gara
Lets wait and see what the Liverpool judge says.
He'll say "you pay all the costs".
Post by Noel O'Gara
Nothing about the arbitrary and unjust nature of British justice
surprises me anymore.
Jury trials are avoided at all costs by judges and solicitors who use
the biased judges to get orders that a jury would never wear.
I live in Ireland anyway so an order in a British court wouldnt be
worth a cent. I did request that they arrange the case in a Dublin
court but they have a clear preference for their own biased courts
which are loaded with the biased judges who favour the police and will
not favour an Irishman over their top cop.
Proceedings were taken in the jurisdiction in which the alleged libel
occurred, which is usual. You can't have them moved about to suit your
preference. And, I don't know if you've noticed this, but the Republic of
Ireland operates a different legal system from the United Kingdom.
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-02 15:08:09 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Yes, it's called summary judgement becasue either failed to enter a defence
or put in a statement which did not disclose a valid defence on the face of
it.
you can dismiss the strongest defence possible with a statement like
that.
Surely it is the job of a jury to decide if a defendant's defence is a
valid defence.
If a judge makes a summary order without a defendant ever having a
chance to put a defence to either that judge or a jury as in this case
how could that be called justice?
The solicitor for the claimant has decided that I dont have a defence
and he is seeking summary judgement on that claim.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Jury trials are rare in libel trials these days.
Even if it goes before a judge then surely the defendant can put a
defence to the judge.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
He'll say "you pay all the costs".
you seem to have a similar attitude to the prejudiced judges.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Proceedings were taken in the jurisdiction in which the alleged libel
occurred, which is usual. You can't have them moved about to suit your
preference. And, I don't know if you've noticed this, but the Republic of
Ireland operates a different legal system from the United Kingdom.
Our legal system is based on the British one since we helped you build
the empire and only broke away from the injustice of it all 70 odd
years ago.
We have a constitution in writing but frequently that is ignored by
our judges and there is an obvious bias against the citizen in favour
of the establishment.
The British legal code remained.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-02 16:10:29 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Yes, it's called summary judgement becasue either failed to enter a defence
or put in a statement which did not disclose a valid defence on the face of
it.
you can dismiss the strongest defence possible with a statement like
that.
Surely it is the job of a jury to decide if a defendant's defence is a
valid defence.
You're assuming that your pleadings actually contain anything that could
amount, in law, to a defence to libel. Your opponent's solicitors clearly
think you've failed to jump that hurdle.
Post by Noel O'Gara
If a judge makes a summary order without a defendant ever having a
chance to put a defence to either that judge or a jury as in this case
how could that be called justice?
Nothing to do with justice; it's the law.
Post by Noel O'Gara
The solicitor for the claimant has decided that I dont have a defence
and he is seeking summary judgement on that claim.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Jury trials are rare in libel trials these days.
Even if it goes before a judge then surely the defendant can put a
defence to the judge.
You can always apply to the judge to amend your particulars of defence to
include a defence, but I wouldn't put money on it being granted.
Post by Noel O'Gara
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
He'll say "you pay all the costs".
you seem to have a similar attitude to the prejudiced judges.
No, merely an understanding of the realities of your situation, based on
over 30 years experience.

One of the major drawbacks to having a bee in one's bonnet is that you have
to expect to be stung from time to time.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-02 21:30:56 UTC
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Oh dear. The libel law is straightforward. If you can PROVE someone is
corrupt or bent the author may have a defence and I stress 'may'. From
what I have seen here several senior police officers have been accused
of serious criminal offences by O'Gara and I hope that the author
Noel O'Gara can support these assertions for his sake, On reading the
Humble case, not only does (1) Mr Humble's DNA confirm he was the
hoaxer of the letters and tapes (2) He confirms in writing to O'Gara
that he was the hoaxer but (3) he has not appealed his conviction.
which destroys O'Gara's assertion he was framed. There comes a time
when a deceased horse can only be flogged so much
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-03 00:43:28 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Oh dear. The libel law is straightforward. If you can PROVE someone is
corrupt or bent the author may have a defence and I stress 'may'. From
what I have seen here several senior police officers have been accused
of serious criminal offences by O'Gara and I hope that the author
Noel O'Gara can support these assertions for his sake, On reading the
Humble case, not only does (1) Mr Humble's DNA confirm he was the
hoaxer of the letters and tapes (2) He confirms in writing to O'Gara
that he was the hoaxer but (3) he has not appealed his conviction.
which destroys O'Gara's assertion he was framed. There comes a time
when a deceased horse can only be flogged so much
similar arguments could have been made about Stefan Kiszko the
Birmingham 6 etc etc at the relevant times but now today we have the
accepted wisdom that they and many more like them were framed by
corrupt policemen by extorted confessions and fabricated forensic
evidence.
DNA is the latest scam of bent cops and everyone believes it now but
wait until the chickens come home to roost and it will be like the
speck of firearms residue found in Barry George's pocket. Similar
specks could have come from any firearm he ever had or if he met a
military man or even a police firearms officer, that speck could have
come from any of those sources and not the killers gun.
In Humble's case the letters that were sent to the police by the
Ripper had been destroyed after Sutcliffe's trial. Humble was a
drunken Geordie who had a criminal record and he was a likely
candidate to frame in order to close off that embarrassment. Seems to
have fooled you anyway.
c***@hotmail.com
2007-12-03 21:01:09 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
Post by b***@aol.com
Oh dear. The libel law is straightforward. If you can PROVE someone is
corrupt or bent the author may have a defence and I stress 'may'. From
what I have seen here several senior police officers have been accused
of serious criminal offences by O'Gara and I hope that the author
Noel O'Gara can support these assertions for his sake, On reading the
Humble case, not only does (1) Mr Humble's DNA confirm he was the
hoaxer of the letters and tapes (2) He confirms in writing to O'Gara
that he was the hoaxer but (3) he has not appealed his conviction.
which destroys O'Gara's assertion he was framed. There comes a time
when a deceased horse can only be flogged so much
similar arguments could have been made about Stefan Kiszko the
Birmingham 6 etc etc at the relevant times but now today we have the
accepted wisdom that they and many more like them were framed by
corrupt policemen by extorted confessions and fabricated forensic
evidence.
DNA is the latest scam of bent cops and everyone believes it now but
wait until the chickens come home to roost and it will be like the
speck of firearms residue found in Barry George's pocket. Similar
specks could have come from any firearm he ever had or if he met a
military man or even a police firearms officer, that speck could have
come from any of those sources and not the killers gun.
In Humble's case the letters that were sent to the police by the
Ripper had been destroyed after Sutcliffe's trial. Humble was a
drunken Geordie who had a criminal record and he was a likely
candidate to frame in order to close off that embarrassment. Seems to
have fooled you anyway.
A SINGLE grain of gunpowder. Now there's a thought to conjure with.

Gunpowder is a mixture of THREE powders which do not fuse with each
other. There is sulphur, saltpeter and carbon.

Had it been something like nitroglycerine soaked into a speck of
Fuller's earth, or into a speck of sawdust, I might have believed it.
However, on the day they announced they had found a single grain in
Barry George's pocket, I knew it was a stitch-up.

It takes THREE grains to make a minimum of gunpowder.

Charles Douglas Wehner
b***@aol.com
2007-12-03 21:05:27 UTC
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Seems to
Post by Noel O'Gara
have fooled you anyway.
Quite the opposite. To defend a libel action the author of the
libelous comments MUST prove in a court of law that their comments are
true (not opinion), so here's a few questions to clarify
1) Can you prove the claimant is corrupt or bent as you have plastered
all over the www, forget reference to your theory on who was the real
Ripper, that stuff will not see the light of day in this libel case as
its not a point in issue, its all about your statements this cop Gregg
is corrupt as you accuse in the John Humble case
2) On what basis do you say Gregg is corrupt or bent, what did John
Humble say to you in correspondence about his guilt or innocence when
you wrote to him? Did he tell you he was the author and therefore
guilty?
3) What evidence can you produce to assert your defence?.

Just beings devils advocate
b***@aol.com
2007-12-03 21:49:36 UTC
Permalink
Can I also ask the following questions
1) Did man really land on the moon (or was it a fake)
2) Did Geoff Hirst score the winning goal in the 1966 football world
cup final or was it Billy Tracey
3) Does Area 51 really exist and if so do they hold aliens from a
crashed spaceship (I need to know co's I have a tenner on it at my
bookies)
4) Was saddam Hussein really a murderous dictator or is he your back-
up suspect as the real Yorkshire Ripper, if it wasn't Mr Tracey if his
underpants do not match the DNA profile?

Thanks
P.S Love your website
Tony.
2007-12-03 22:17:34 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
1) Can you prove the claimant is corrupt or bent as you have plastered
all over the www, forget reference to your theory on who was the real
Ripper, that stuff will not see the light of day in this libel case as
its not a point in issue, its all about your statements this cop Gregg
is corrupt as you accuse in the John Humble case
Oh, its possible to show gregg has worked with fabricated confessions
produced in connection with the ripper case and implicating members of
the judicary in the West Yorkshire establishment in connection with
the ripper case....absolutley.
Post by b***@aol.com
2) On what basis do you say Gregg is corrupt or bent, what did John
Humble say to you in correspondence about his guilt or innocence when
you wrote to him? Did he tell you he was the author and therefore
guilty?
The trick used by senior police in Greggs position was to pick on a
retarded person and simply give him a confession to the crimes of
interest...and yes O'Gara can prove that, not however in his book, but
by using suitable other witnesses.
Post by b***@aol.com
3) What evidence can you produce to assert your defence?.
Just beings devils advocate
try harder next time.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-03 22:38:22 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Oh, its possible to show gregg has worked with fabricated confessions
produced in connection with the ripper case and implicating members of
the judicary in the West Yorkshire establishment in connection with
the ripper case....absolutley.
Go on Tony, we are all sat here with baited breath, you say
absolutely, where is your EVIDENCE Gregg has fabricated confessions,
put up or shut up, as a member of the public I await your proof, so
show or go
Post by Tony.
The trick used by senior police in Greggs position was to pick on a
retarded person and simply give him a confession to the crimes of
interest...and yes O'Gara can prove that, not however in his book, but
by using suitable other witnesses.
How can O'Gara prove this Tony, prey tell. You seem to act as his
official spokesperson, are you his his main defence witness?


3) What evidence can you �produce to assert your defence?.
Post by Tony.
try harder next time.
Why, are you his defence advocate ?
Tony.
2007-12-03 22:54:46 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Go on Tony, we are all sat here with baited breath, you say
absolutely, where is your EVIDENCE Gregg has fabricated confessions,
put up or shut up, as a member of the public I await your proof, so
show or go
Its like this old bean, Gregg is whats called a SIO, he reports to the
ACC crime, his main job in the system is to investigate *murders* and
because of his rank he can get all the resources of West Yorkshire
plod to do his job, qed...any murder hes got the complete file, now he
can and did review so called cold cases..ie guess which ones he can by
virtue of his job review...youre there, the ripper case.

Guess what, that harbors within it the Humble case....but more
importantly....guess what, that includes all...let me repeat all the
names of the guys who defended the ripper, my ex partners, so slowly
but surely we get to those 26 pages of fabricated confessions that
link myself and my ex partners to the work Gregg is now doing....its
not rocket science.
Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Tony.
The trick used by senior police in Greggs position was to pick on a
retarded person and simply give him a confession to the crimes of
interest...and yes O'Gara can prove that, not however in his book, but
by using suitable other witnesses.
How can O'Gara prove this Tony, prey tell. You seem to act as his
official spokesperson, are you his his main defence witness?
That a retarded person is used...hell old bean, Kiszko wasnt a full
quid, Hodgson could not read nor write, he had been to a special
school...and if you think I can write well boyo you've got rocks in
your head.
Post by b***@aol.com
Why, are you his defence advocate ?
Nope I dont even like O'Gara, he dudded me selling me a couple of fake
pictures....but, Tracey was certainly in the frame and both Dick
Holland and my partners told me that.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-03 23:12:27 UTC
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I asked for evidence that this DCS Gregg has fabricated EVIDENCE
against John Humble Tony. Without you repeating rantings by your
sponsor, put up evidence that this Gregg is corrupt and bent and has
framed Humble. Produce the golden nugget and nail this Gregg, or have
you nothing and have you too have lost the plot. Put up or shut up,
the ball is in your court
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-03 23:55:16 UTC
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I asked for evidence that this DCS Gregg has fabricated EVIDENCE
against John Humble Tony. Without you repeating rantings by your
sponsor, put up evidence that this Gregg is corrupt and bent and has
framed Humble. Produce the golden nugget and nail this Gregg, or have
you nothing and have you too have lost the plot. Put up or shut up,
the ball is in your court
================================================================
Actually, Holland has already said enough about Gregg to invite libel
proceedings against himself. You'll get no actual evidence from him- because
he doesn't have any- he has what he 'thinks' is evidence, but it won't be
enough. No doubt Gregg's solicitors have some articled clerk reading this NG
and keeping copies of Holland & O'Gara's posts, complete with headers. And
when they read them, they will be laughing their cocks off at how easy it
will be to persuade a judge to issue Summary Judgement. "Shooting fish in a
barrel" is the metaphor that springs to mind.

The problem with these people is that they don't know they're in a hole, so
they don't realise it's better to stop digging.
Tony.
2007-12-04 00:45:12 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Actually, Holland has already said enough about Gregg to invite libel
proceedings against himself. You'll get no actual evidence from him- because
he doesn't have any- he has what he 'thinks' is evidence, but it won't be
enough.
I dont think you know anyone who can prove a fake confession as well
as I can and I dont think you know anyone who can prove that senior
police manufactured physical evidence as well as I can...and Im sure
that when a 26 page confession alongside the physical report of a
fellow of the royal society is presented before ajudge that will carry
some weight and I am positive that when the letters from the lord
Cheif justice are put before a judge showing his concern that plod
manufactured physical evidence to gain improper convictions that will
carry some weight.

Now when all this is put before a judge and it all belongs to the same
police force and to the same rank and position within that force and
the same case then I am sure a judge will take notice, couple that
with the motive for doing it (all the rippers solicitors were
implicated in fraud....and Ive still got the account books of the firm
and the question and answers of the tax authorities....Im sure that no
matter how many clerks are reading this....Im not going to be
joined....especially when Ive got the chief constables diaries proving
it.

Now has this sort of thing been done before by a person in the same
SIO position, you betcha it has....so how many times can it be allowed
before someone says stop, enough.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
The problem with these people is that they don't know they're in a hole, so they don't realise it's better to stop digging.
No dear boy, the problem is when you stop, some shit like you rolls
right over the top and says i told you so I was right, know something
ass wipe, you are wrong and I for one will say so.
Tony.
2007-12-04 00:08:05 UTC
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I asked for evidence that this DCS Gregg has fabricated EVIDENCE against John Humble
Dear boy its like this, if the plod doing Gregg's job (former SIOs)
routinely fabricated confessions and manufactured physical evidence,
are you going to tell me that something different is going on today,
Gregg has not for instance used any more maths within the raman
spectroscope than is already known to be false in order to gain
convictions, Gregg has been nowhere near the field medal winners who
debunked the stats behind the program run on the raman...for instance.

So you want to tell me that the DNA run thru a Raman on a program that
is known to give imperfect results everywhere but the UK, and for your
info, the Birmingham forensic lab (Dr Hardcastle and Wherret) were
thrashed mathematically in the international areana with there
program...get alife mate
Without you repeating rantings by your sponsor,
Let me say O'Gara and i are not friends and he is not my sponsor.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 00:36:28 UTC
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To complete the picture, the following is reproduced from elsewhere:

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Obviously someone has
'underwritten' that policeman's position, to shield him from the
possibility of an award for costs which could be close to a million
pounds.
When Noel O'Gara could be dismissed as a 'lone madman' they were
largely ignoring him and spouting out the standard gobbledygook
letters when they had to reply.
The ruling group are obsessed with control and feel greatly
threatened
by any school of thought that is outside their control and by anyone
whom they cannot buy and sell and use as their ventriloquist's dummy.
They largely silenced Hans Ruesch in the early 1990s with fake court
cases.
They feel the need to destroy Noel O'Gara financially in the same
way,
as his wealth gives him the means to continue emabarrassing them and
to attract other articulate supporters.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was suggesting that the wish to neutralise Noel O'Gara
financially goes higher than any police professional organisation.
Some people here talk of Freemasonry but I prefer to use the term
*ruling group* .
There is an invisible ruling group of which national governments are
just puppets, and that invisible clique are obsessed with controlling
everything that happens in this world. They have an intense hatred
for
any individual or school of thought which they are unable to control
and often seek to neutralise these people and groups with spurious
court cases. It happened to Hans Ruesch. It's now happening to David
Icke. It seems Noel O'Gara is being targeted in the same way. So when
I
spoke of financial backing for that cop to shield him from an award
for costs, I meant that some agreement has already been made behind
the scenes at a much higher level than police trades unions.
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-04 00:22:23 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
I asked for evidence that this DCS Gregg has fabricated EVIDENCE
against John Humble Tony. Without you repeating rantings by your
sponsor, put up evidence that this Gregg is corrupt and bent and has
framed Humble. Produce the golden nugget and nail this Gregg,  or have
you nothing and have you too have lost the plot. Put up or shut up,
the ball is in your court
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Now a confession which was blackmailed out of Humble meant he had no
trial because he agreed to cooperate with Gregg on the promise of a
sentence of a few years inside.
As you all know a policeman's word is about as solid as a jellyfish
and always has a sting. So Humble got 8 years for his cooperation
instead of his promised two and suddenly he is somebody. People write
to him and know about this inadequate bolox who was the subject of
kids robbing him on the streets of his home town as he went to buy his
daily cider.
From being an obscure drunken layabout with his family terrified of
his drunken rages he is now sober and a celebrity who will be free in
a few years.

Its a bit like the evidence that Sutcliffe's O blood group meant he
was eliminated as the Ripper 12 times but his confessions changed all
that for those cops desperate to close the case. They knew the Ripper
was B blood group from semen and saliva on the victims and the
letters.

If Humble was not the B secretor blood group as the letter writer
was, would his confessions still make him the writer? Anybody know
his blood group?
Coincidentally when Patrick and I were in Armley prison recently
Patrick met a man who was a close acquaintance of Humble's and he was
adamant that Humble's was not the voice on the Ripper tape. Small
world.
I sat down beside a 50 something small man in Armley prison and his
name was Humble too. But not John.
Also in the two years prior to Sutcliffe's arrest Humble's
acquaintances never linked him in any way to that voice. It was played
in his town time and time again and was on the national media for
months and years and nobody could find the speaker.
Had it been John Humble how could he have disguised his voice so well
and if he had, why not use a different accent had it been him?
They used fake DNA to frame Humble because he knew he was gone for his
tea once they laid that on him. How can anybody produce a defence
against such an accusation?
Ronald Castree was framed in the same way.
Now the Rachel Nickell murder in Wimbledon common is being "solved"
with similar fake DNA. This time they picked a nutter from Broadmoor
QED. That is a guaranteed conviction and more stripes for the cop.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2961956.ece

Meanwhile the real Ripper is living in London and enjoying the frame
up game as he carries on his life of crime.
He wont come near me because of all the gunpowder I have ready but
Chris Gregg is his kind of cop and probably the reason he murdered all
those women and wrote letters to them knowing the cops would get their
patsy. He was goading them to frame the copycat killer and they did
it.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-03 23:06:12 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Why, are you his defence advocate ?
If he is, O'Gara is sunk.

Actually, O'Gara is sunk anyway.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-03 23:04:45 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by b***@aol.com
1) Can you prove the claimant is corrupt or bent as you have plastered
all over the www, forget reference to your theory on who was the real
Ripper, that stuff will not see the light of day in this libel case as
its not a point in issue, its all about your statements this cop Gregg
is corrupt as you accuse in the John Humble case
Oh, its possible to show gregg has worked with fabricated confessions
produced in connection with the ripper case and implicating members of
the judicary in the West Yorkshire establishment in connection with
the ripper case....absolutley.
If this is a convoluted attempt to get close to O'Gara by being named by
Gregg as co-defendant in his libel action, well, it seems likely that your
expectations will be met. Unfortunately, it may well be costly for you, as
reciprocal enforcement of UK judgements applies equally to Australia as it
does to the Republic of Ireland.

Vernon Street, Liverpool, eh? Just along Dale Street from Cheapside, where
all the court staff, police & lawyers used to meet up after work on a Friday
evening in the Rose & Crown. I'm sure there'd be room for a couple of
pending bankrupts in there, but, hmm, you'd be on your own when it comes to
buying drinks. And it's right opposite the Main Bridewell in case things get
out of hand.
Tony.
2007-12-03 23:59:25 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
If this is a convoluted attempt to get close to O'Gara by being named by
Gregg as co-defendant in his libel action, well, it seems likely that your
expectations will be met. Unfortunately, it may well be costly for you, as
reciprocal enforcement of UK judgements applies equally to Australia as it
does to the Republic of Ireland.
Un like O'Gara West Yorkshire Plod know I have got the ex chief
constables diaries, and they know I took them to Harold Best ex Leeds
MP, they know exactely what is in them.....nope, Im not going to be
enjoined with O'Gara at all, wanta bet, just send this in to west
Yorkshire plod and wait for a response, we are talking high level
corruption here and I think you're going to wait till hell freezes
over.
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-04 11:17:38 UTC
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 Seems to
Post by Noel O'Gara
have fooled you anyway.
Quite the opposite. To defend a libel action the author of the
libelous comments MUST prove in a court of law that their comments are
true (not opinion), so here's a few questions to clarify
1) Can you prove the claimant is corrupt or bent as you have plastered
all over the www, forget reference to your theory on who was the real
Ripper, that stuff will not see the light of day in this libel case as
its not a point in issue, its all about your statements this cop Gregg
is corrupt as you accuse in the John Humble case
2) On what basis do you say Gregg is corrupt or bent, what did John
Humble say to you in correspondence about his guilt or innocence when
you wrote to him? Did he tell you he was the author and therefore
guilty?
3) What evidence can you  produce to assert your defence?.
Just beings devils advocate
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Now a confession which was blackmailed out of Humble meant he had no
trial because he agreed to cooperate with Gregg on the promise of a
sentence of a few years inside.
As you all know a policeman's word is about as solid as a jellyfish
and always has a sting. So Humble got 8 years for his cooperation
instead of his promised two and suddenly he is somebody. People write
to him and know about this inadequate bolox who was the subject of
kids robbing him on the streets of his home town as he went to buy his
daily cider. From being an obscure drunken layabout with his family
terrified of his drunken rages he is now sober and a celebrity who
will be free in a few years.
Its a bit like the evidence that Sutcliffe's O blood group meant he
was eliminated as the Ripper 12 times but his confessions changed all
that for those cops desperate to close the case. They knew the Ripper
was B blood group from semen and saliva on the victims and the
letters.
If Humble was not the B secretor blood group as the letter writer was,
would his confessions still make him the writer? Anybody know his
blood group?
Coincidentally when Patrick and I were in Armley prison recently
Patrick met a man who was a close acquaintance of Humble's and he was
adamant that Humble's was not the voice on the Ripper tape. Small
world.
I sat down beside a 50 something small man in Armley prison and his
name was Humble too. But not John.
Also in the two years prior to Sutcliffe's arrest Humble's
acquaintances never linked him in any way to that voice. It was played
in his town time and time again and was on the national media for
months and years and nobody could find the speaker.
Had it been John Humble how could he have disguised his voice so well
and if he had, why not use a different accent had it been him?
They used fake DNA to frame Humble because he knew he was gone for his
tea once they laid that on him. How can anybody produce a defence
against such an accusation?
Ronald Castree was framed in the same way.
Now the Rachel Nickell murder in Wimbledon common is being "solved"
with similar fake DNA.
This time they picked a nutter from Broadmoor QED. That is a
guaranteed conviction and more stripes for the cop.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2961956.ece

Meanwhile the real Ripper is living in London and enjoying the frame
up game as he carries on his life of crime.
He wont come near me because of all the gunpowder I have ready but
Chris Gregg is his kind of cop and probably the reason he murdered all
those women and wrote letters to them knowing the cops would get their
patsy. He was goading them to frame the copycat killer and they did
it.

actually I posted this last night but it didnt appear. Gregg's solrs
have been badgering Google also but then I am not a conspiracy
theorist.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-04 19:45:02 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Does Mr Humble say that?
Post by Noel O'Gara
Now a confession which was blackmailed out of Humble meant he had no
trial because he agreed to cooperate with Gregg on the promise of a
sentence of a few years inside.
What part of EVIDENCE do you not understand, what PROOF do you have
that you can put before a court to say Mr Humble was blackmailed?, to
give you a clue I have put the important words in capital letters
EVIDENCE and PROOF, come on rather than your theories etc etc, put up
the EVIDENCE and PROOF and let us all see, I will be the first to
apologise if you can, but everyone knows you cannot.

Remember, the case that you are being sued about is against a Police
Officer (Gregg), I and I suspect everyone else are getting bored rigid
waiting to provide EVIDENCE or PROOF on here that this Police officer
is Corrupt, bent and has framed Humble, THATS the point in issue that
you are having to defend. Forget your conspiracy theories on whether
Tracey is the real Ripper, put your EVIDENCE up that Gregg is what you
have described him as,
Would you like 50/50, phone a friend or ask the audience, back against
the wall comes to mind. I hope you have a really good legal team co's
from what I have seen you are going to need them, over to you to show
everyone here EVIDENCE or PROOF against Gregg or can't you?
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-04 20:45:27 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Does Mr Humble say that?
Mr Humble says he is the writer of both letters. I dont believe him
and you do.
If you look at the letters and believe Humble wrote them, then you
would believe anything.
But then its nice and comfortable to be a sucker and believe the
authorities and you can relax and put your trust in them. Great for
you but I am a realist and I had to live with the author of them.
I wonder if I told you that it was I who wrote the letters to Oldfield
and sent him the tape but naturally I didnt use my Irish accent. After
a few weeks in a cell with a Geordie I reckon I could take off a
Geordie no problem.
Now you have another confession to consider. The question now is would
Gregg frame me up if I told him all this?

.
Post by b***@aol.com
What part of EVIDENCE do you not understand, what PROOF do you have
that you can put before a court to say Mr Humble was blackmailed?, to
give you a clue I have put the important words in capital letters
EVIDENCE and PROOF, come on rather than your theories etc etc, put up
the EVIDENCE and PROOF and let us all see, I will be the first to
apologise if you can, but everyone knows you cannot.
Speak for yourself my friend. They are not all as gullible as you.
Post by b***@aol.com
Remember, the case that you are being sued about is against a Police
Officer (Gregg), I and I suspect everyone else are getting bored rigid
waiting to provide EVIDENCE or PROOF on here that this Police officer
is Corrupt, bent and has framed Humble, THATS the point in issue that
you are having to defend.
I am well capable of defending my allegations because they are based
on police evidence that was forgotten about once Sutlciffe was
convicted.
The point I wrote to uk legal about was to show you legal boffins how
the law is being used to ambush me by the other side saying that I
dont have a defence and seeking an order from a judge against me
without me having any chance to put in that defence.
I want a jury to decide if I am a liar or if Gregg is a corrupt cop
who has framed Humble.


Forget your conspiracy theories on whether
Post by b***@aol.com
Tracey is the real Ripper, put your EVIDENCE up that Gregg is what you
have described him as,
Would you like 50/50, phone a friend or ask the audience, back against
the wall comes to mind. I hope you have a really good legal team co's
from what I have seen you are going to need them, over to you to show
everyone here EVIDENCE or PROOF against Gregg or can't you?
Havent you heard of the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4 the Maguire 7,
the Stefan Kiszko case, the Anthony Steel case, the Judith Ward case
etc etc etc.

There is lots of evidence there that the cops are corrupt but its gone
over your head.

The three judges who exonerated Judith Ward in 1992 said that "
British justice must not be achieved by ambush"
I should have put that in capitals for you.

http://yorkshireripper.com/miscarriages%20of%20justice.htm

Such blind faith as you display is rare and thats why you are the
victim of it and a fool to boot.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-04 21:00:07 UTC
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On Dec 4, 8:45�pm, "Noel O'Gara" <***@hotmail.com> wrote:

We are still waiting for EVIDENCE or PROOF that the claimant (Gregg)
is corrupt, bent and blackmailed Humble. You can rant and rave about
your Ripper theory as much as you like but that has nothing to do with
the allegations you have made about Gregg. What I want to see is your
EVIDENCE or PROOF that Gregg is what you say he is, thats what you
have to PROVE to save your neck in this court action, thats why you
are being sued for libel, its dead easy to print damaging allegations
against a senior detective, your mistake was to put your name to
allegations you cannot prove. Thats why I suspect he has taken this
action to deffend his reputation
So either put up or shut up, its your credibility thats on the line
here not his. So Mr O'Gara are you going to print what your EVIDENCE
is against Gregg or are you going to take another tab of LSD and count
the pink elephants.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 21:56:53 UTC
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critics (of Mr O'Gara) make much of the fact that Sutcliffe never
complained
about being charged with the murders he didn't commit. Apart from the
fact that Sutcliffe doesn't know whether he's coming or going, he
has another motive for keeping silent on that. Having been a sexually
frustrated reject all his life, and tormented by his wife Sonia,
Sutcliffe now has a harem of misguided women swooning over him on
account of his mystique and celebrity status. He's not about to lower
his standing among his female admirers by admitting he's only an
amateurish imitator of the real Yorkshire Ripper.

Similarly, do not expect John Humble ever to start screaming 'I've
been fitted up as the ripper hoaxer!' Humble is also learning the
benefits of notoriety in terms of female admirers, a new experience
for
both Humble and Sutcliffe. Humble will be released soon and will be
able to take his pick from his 'harem.' Sutcliffe is agitating for
parole in anticipation of doing the same.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-Reproduced from
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.local.geordie/browse_thread/thread/9f8caec2f0f627f/5e788484e324c63b?q=thoughts+on+the+ripper+humble+case&lnk=ol&
b***@aol.com
2007-12-04 21:57:29 UTC
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On Dec 4, 9:00�pm, ***@aol.com wrote:

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Were still waiting Mr O'Gara, its only 3 sleeps now until your libel
case comes up in Liverpool and were all waiting for the Noel O'Gara
golden nugget of evidence that
Gregg is corrupt, bent and blackmailed Humble as you assert and thats
what you have to PROVE, so drum roll over to you to produce your
defence that Gregg is bent. Your in the last chance saloon old bean,
and the bar is dry
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 22:09:44 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Were still waiting Mr O'Gara, its only 3 sleeps now until your libel
case comes up in Liverpool and were all waiting for the Noel O'Gara
golden nugget of evidence that
Gregg is corrupt, bent and blackmailed Humble as you assert and thats
what you have to PROVE, so drum roll over to you to produce your
defence that Gregg is bent. Your in the last chance saloon old bean,
and the bar is dry
========================================================
I notice you have no history on these groups but have appeared from
nowhere to answer Mr O'Gara on this thread.
Who are you? Show yourself. Why are you hiding in the shadows?
Tony.
2007-12-04 22:24:44 UTC
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On Dec 5, 9:09 am, Old Jinglebollocks
<***@googlemail.com> wrote:

Peter newmann fuck off out of this debate now, you might be needed
later, but right now your making it look very foolish;

Folk need to know why this particualr cop is bent.

The simply reason is that he is by his own definition reviewing cold
cases and that has meant he has reveiwed the ripper case and what
hangs of that...he cannot fail to notice who defended Sutcliffe and
that means Lumb and Kenningham and my partnership with them....a
partnership denied by them and covered up by Dick Holland. Ive got all
the books of accounts and much much more.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 22:51:13 UTC
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Post by Tony.
On Dec 5, 9:09 am, Old Jinglebollocks
Peter newmann fuck off out of this debate now, you might be needed
later, but right now your making it look very foolish;
Folk need to know why this particualr cop is bent.
The simply reason is that he is by his own definition reviewing cold
cases and that has meant he has reveiwed the ripper case and what
hangs of that...he cannot fail to notice who defended Sutcliffe and
that means Lumb and Kenningham and my partnership with them....a
partnership denied by them and covered up by Dick Holland. Ive got all
the books of accounts and much much more.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 22:56:05 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Peter newmann fuck off out of this debate now, you might be needed
later, but right now your making it look very foolish;
===============================================================
You seem to mean I took some of the wind out of your sails by
interrupting the flow of your brilliant presentation, Tony.
The reality is that this connects with my earlier reference to
technical faults on google groups.
That post was delayed in the system and then was inserted there out of
context, not by me but by the faulty system.
This never happened here six months ago.

As for you, Tony, you don't help your own case. You seem to have
important information, but when you exhibit symptoms of multiple
personality disorder you shoot yourself in the foot.
Tony.
2007-12-04 23:17:22 UTC
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On Dec 5, 9:56 am, Old Jinglebollocks
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
As for you, Tony, you don't help your own case. You seem to have
important information, but when you exhibit symptoms of multiple
personality disorder you shoot yourself in the foot.
Peter I am abit blunt sometimes, but this is where you take things the
wrong way, my info is dynamite in the right hands, my detractors dont
want my stuff to be heard or presented in court, so they say exactely
the same sort of shit like you have just posted...hes mad, hes anut
etc. so of course any decent bloke runs away and my stuff dont get
checked...now you are on my side, youre on O'Garas side and your the
one playing the tune that hurts the cause.

Pete I dont know you from adam cept we have spoken on the telephone
and I can work a few things out, you are a pensioner, youre living in
rented accommodation, not very off and youre probably under adoctor my
guess is for depression because of the precise way anon qualified
person talks about mental illness, this thread is being read pete it
needs to be up market and you have no ifo to give except support.

O'gara only has his *logic* to uphold his theories....I have hard
facts to support what I say, Pete, please dont get upset, move aside
and let some hard nose types take over, to debate the points, this
thing might not go ahead if its handle well.
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-05 00:05:12 UTC
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Post by Tony.
On Dec 5, 9:56 am, Old Jinglebollocks
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
As for you, Tony, you don't help your own case. You seem to have
important information, but when you exhibit symptoms of multiple
personality disorder you shoot yourself in the foot.
Peter I am abit blunt sometimes, but this is where you take things the
wrong way, my info is dynamite in the right hands, my detractors dont
want my stuff to be heard or presented in court, so they say exactely
the same sort of shit like you have just posted...hes mad, hes anut
etc. so of course any decent bloke runs away and my stuff dont get
checked...now you are on my side, youre on O'Garas side and your the
one playing the tune that hurts the cause.
Pete I dont know you from adam cept we have spoken on the telephone
and I can work a few things out, you are a pensioner, youre living in
rented accommodation, not very off and youre probably under adoctor my
guess is for depression because of the precise way anon qualified
person talks about mental illness, this thread is being read pete it
needs to be up market and you have no ifo to give except support.
O'gara only has his *logic* to uphold his theories....I have hard
facts to support what I say, Pete, please dont get upset, move aside
and let some hard nose types take over, to debate the points, this
thing might not go ahead if its handle well.
then why are you deleting your earlier postings if your facts are so
hard?
most of your malicious claims are already deleted by yourself so that
says it all about your credibility.
Tony.
2007-12-05 00:16:01 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
then why are you deleting your earlier postings if your facts are so
hard? most of your malicious claims are already deleted by yourself so that
says it all about your credibility
O'Gara Ive always thought you needed to be the centre of attention and
that you didnt like it when you could clearly see my claims were
superior to yours in proving a cover up, thats why youre going to
lose, but along the way you might just might get plod to reopen my
case.....its on your back that I will get my claims up and I intend to
break your back. Lets tell folk shall we how you write privately to
others about me how you cheated me out of 2grand.

Do you want me to go on, cos I aint coming to your trial to help you,
unless you pay me....50grand or your farm
b***@aol.com
2007-12-05 00:43:54 UTC
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On Dec 5, 12:16�am, "Tony." <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
You are barking. I have yet to see on here EVIDENCE or PROOF that
Gregg is bent, Noel, are you going to prove me wrong, nah, thought not
Tony.
2007-12-05 00:54:14 UTC
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You are barking. I have yet to see on here EVIDENCE or PROOF that Gregg is bent,
Not sure who you mean, but perhaps youre not up to speed on O'gara,
briefly this year hes been in and out of court all over the place in
Ireland for instance where hes tried to con 170 million out of the
Dublin City Council for apiece of land he bought for 10grand, hes been
put in jail in the UK and now hes taking on alibel action in the UK as
well.

These are only some of his problems.
Noel, are you going to prove me wrong, nah, thought not
Nope O'Gara cannot prove you wrong at all, all his stuff center around
his affair with his ex boy friend Billy Tracey he did not know any of
the main players at all and was always regarded as a nut when he came
to notice, I on the other hand did know all the main players some of
them very well indeed, they were my business partners. The only reason
why O'Gara and I overlap is cos I can prove the cover up that he
asserts...only it does not involved his ex boyfriend
Tony.
2007-12-05 00:36:06 UTC
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then why are you deleting your earlier postings if your facts are so hard?
Hey you homosexual midget Im not in the business of providing you with
evidence to defend the libel case being brought agints you
most of your malicious claims are already deleted by yourself so that says it all about your credibility
What malicious claims...you are a homosexual midget...how tall are
you, 4'2" in heels, and didnt you keep Tracey dirty underpants
underneath your pillow for years, didnt you write abook naming your ex
lover as a murderer and dont you write to folk saying all manner of
unpleasant things about me since that press conference you made me pay
for, didnt you say you were an art dealer and you are not, didnt you
sell me a couplew of fake painting for 2 grand didnt you tell the
Dublin city council that you own a slate company and you dont, matey
youre a con man out to make aquid anyway you can......is that libel?
only if its untrue
Robbie
2007-12-05 00:50:20 UTC
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Post by Tony.
then why are you deleting your earlier postings if your facts are so hard?
Hey you homosexual midget Im not in the business of providing you with
evidence to defend the libel case being brought agints you
most of your malicious claims are already deleted by yourself so that says it all about your credibility
What malicious claims...you are a homosexual midget...how tall are
you, 4'2" in heels, and didnt you keep Tracey dirty underpants
underneath your pillow for years, didnt you write abook naming your ex
lover as a murderer and dont you write to folk saying all manner of
unpleasant things about me since that press conference you made me pay
for, didnt you say you were an art dealer and you are not, didnt you
sell me a couplew of fake painting for 2 grand didnt you tell the
Dublin city council that you own a slate company and you dont, matey
youre a con man out to make aquid anyway you can......is that libel?
only if its untrue
Tony mate. Rise above it - you keep obsessing about these things.
Remember what you've gained since you went down under. No more dreary
weather, no more Bradford, no more Leeds. Instead think about Brisbane,
Sydney and... Switzerland. I assume you are still going there? Remember
some of your enemies will be watching your IP number over the next month...
--
Robbie
Tony.
2007-12-05 01:04:22 UTC
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Post by Robbie
Tony mate. Rise above it - you keep obsessing about these things.
Remember what you've gained since you went down under. No more dreary
weather, no more Bradford, no more Leeds. Instead think about Brisbane,
Sydney and... Switzerland. I assume you are still going there? Remember
some of your enemies will be watching your IP number over the next month...
Hi Robbie.

You are indeed very kind to write to me like that, I do get upset at
what went on in Bradford and the memory is still very painful, I dont
like O'Gara at all since he cheated me by selling those fake paintings
to me, but I can write that off and have done, its the shear cheak of
my ex partners and what they did that galls me still and the fact that
it took me so long to understand how it all got put together.

My family are saying exactly what your saying, Ive got to put it
behind me.....Thanks very much indeed Robbie, folk like you can
restore my faith that England still has some guys who a decent.
Perhaps you'd like to have coffee in Zurich..on me (trip included)
Robbie
2007-12-05 02:22:36 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Robbie
Tony mate. Rise above it - you keep obsessing about these things.
Remember what you've gained since you went down under. No more dreary
weather, no more Bradford, no more Leeds. Instead think about Brisbane,
Sydney and... Switzerland. I assume you are still going there? Remember
some of your enemies will be watching your IP number over the next month...
Hi Robbie.
You are indeed very kind to write to me like that, I do get upset at
what went on in Bradford and the memory is still very painful, I dont
like O'Gara at all since he cheated me by selling those fake paintings
to me, but I can write that off and have done, its the shear cheak of
my ex partners and what they did that galls me still and the fact that
it took me so long to understand how it all got put together.
My family are saying exactly what your saying, Ive got to put it
behind me.....Thanks very much indeed Robbie, folk like you can
restore my faith that England still has some guys who a decent.
Perhaps you'd like to have coffee in Zurich..on me (trip included)
I'd love to have a coffee with you in Zurich but the missus would only
complain...
--
Robbie
Tony.
2007-12-05 02:35:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Robbie
Post by Tony.
Post by Robbie
Tony mate. Rise above it - you keep obsessing about these things.
Remember what you've gained since you went down under. No more dreary
weather, no more Bradford, no more Leeds. Instead think about Brisbane,
Sydney and... Switzerland. I assume you are still going there? Remember
some of your enemies will be watching your IP number over the next month...
Hi Robbie.
You are indeed very kind to write to me like that, I do get upset at
what went on in Bradford and the memory is still very painful, I dont
like O'Gara at all since he cheated me by selling those fake paintings
to me, but I can write that off and have done, its the shear cheak of
my ex partners and what they did that galls me still and the fact that
it took me so long to understand how it all got put together.
My family are saying exactly what your saying, Ive got to put it
behind me.....Thanks very much indeed Robbie, folk like you can
restore my faith that England still has some guys who a decent.
Perhaps you'd like to have coffee in Zurich..on me (trip included)
I'd love to have a coffee with you in Zurich but the missus would only
complain...
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
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Not to worry then, I do get carried away about this, and I do so want
to put it down, I dont think I would have bothered with it had I not
wanted to get that MS finished...as it is, I shall be in Hong Kong
next week and Im meeting aguy about a web page, Ive got to say, its
time to stop and you're timely reminder came at the right time...I
might be tempted to say bring the missus as well cos you've done me a
great kindness ..(ps Im not gay)))
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-05 04:20:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony.
Post by Robbie
Post by Tony.
Post by Robbie
Tony mate. Rise above it - you keep obsessing about these things.
Remember what you've gained since you went down under. No more dreary
weather, no more Bradford, no more Leeds. Instead think about Brisbane,
Sydney and... Switzerland. I assume you are still going there? Remember
some of your enemies will be watching your IP number over the next month...
Hi Robbie.
You are indeed very kind to write to me like that, I do get upset at
what went on in Bradford and the memory is still very painful, I dont
like O'Gara at all since he cheated me by selling those fake paintings
to me, but I can write that off and have done, its the shear cheak of
my ex partners and what they did that galls me still and the fact that
it took me so long to understand how it all got put together.
My family are saying exactly what your saying, Ive got to put it
behind me.....Thanks very much indeed Robbie, folk like you can
restore my faith that England still has some guys who a decent.
Perhaps you'd like to have coffee in Zurich..on me (trip included)
I'd love to have a coffee with you in Zurich but the missus would only
complain...
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
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Not to worry then, I do get carried away about this, and I do so want
to put it down, I dont think I would have bothered with it had I not
wanted to get that MS finished...as it is, I shall be in Hong Kong
next week and Im meeting aguy about a web page, Ive got to say, its
time to stop and you're timely reminder came at the right time...I
might be tempted to say bring the missus as well cos you've done me a
great kindness ..(ps Im not gay)))- Hide quoted text -
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Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-05 04:36:10 UTC
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We're straying from the poiint. I could say plenty about you, Tony,
but I'm not that cruel, only when writing about Gill Langley.
In my analysis and healing formula I have stated repeatedly that all
human beings, without any exception anywhere, are mentally ill and
have been so for about eleven thousand years, and I have backed up
that statement. That discussion doesn't belong on this thread.
Just one thing. If you feel so strongly about this, and if what you
say is true, it's odd that you do not yet have a web page detailing it
all, so that you can supply everybody with a link to it.
You said you're dyslexic, so I'm willing to correct any spelling
errors for you, and rearrange it into a more concise form without
changing any of your words, if you ask me to. It can be done privately
by email. Some of the free blog sites are very classy in their layout.
So why no progress on this after so many years?

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We are losing sight of the implications of the O'Gara case for freedom
of expression in England. If we can't say a cop is corrupt, without
risking a million pound order for costs by a juryless court, then what
kind of a country is this? And why are the mass media not screaming
about this further erosion of our civil liberties? Is it going to be
mentioned at all in the mainstream media? It has huge implications for
civil liberties. The deafening silence of groups such as Liberty on
really important matters such as this only reinforces the view of a
set of *fake debates* with *fake opposition groups* funded by the
ruling group, to eclipse the essential truth of what is happening to
us and to prevent any genuine progress out of the hole we're all in.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-04 23:38:42 UTC
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Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
As for you, Tony, you don't help your own case. You seem to have
important information, but when you exhibit symptoms of multiple
personality disorder you shoot yourself in the foot.
"feet", surely?
Tony.
2007-12-04 23:53:32 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
"feet", surely?
See JL, if you can only take the piss, you've lost, now if you could
debunk my story with fact that would be a different thing but you cant
can you, you cant tell me that adeal was done by corrupt west
yorkshire police and corrupt dpp officials to let the Sutcliffe trial
proceed, you cannot disprove what I say about Gregg being a bent
copper and that is why you never changed the heading isnt it...you
know Im right and you wont be sued for libel....cos no one is coming
at me.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-05 00:02:43 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
"feet", surely?
See JL, if you can only take the piss, you've lost, now if you could
debunk my story with fact that would be a different thing but you cant
can you, you cant tell me that adeal was done by corrupt west
yorkshire police and corrupt dpp officials to let the Sutcliffe trial
proceed, you cannot disprove what I say about Gregg being a bent
copper and that is why you never changed the heading isnt it...you
know Im right and you wont be sued for libel....cos no one is coming
at me.
Quite rightly so. I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot bargepole, and
experience suggests that nobody else will either.
Tony.
2007-12-05 00:09:03 UTC
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Quite rightly so. I wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot bargepole, and experience suggests that nobody else will either.
Hey JL, now I know youre telling porkies, remember how you wanted to
write my manuscript, how you wanted to come to Switzerland to meet my
family, how many times you wrote to my private email, now what was
that address of yours Ivan something or other....and then didnt we say
that your weren't good enough to do the job, isnt that whats got your
nose out of joint, and repeating old fashioned wisdom cos you tried to
get the story out of me and got knocked back.

Well you and I know your bullshitting...even if others might be a
little unsure cos you write better than me. But whats it feel like to
be told that youre not good enough to write for me, bet that hurt
didnt it?
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-04 22:26:18 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Were still waiting Mr O'Gara, its only 3 sleeps now until your libel
case comes up in Liverpool and were all waiting for the Noel O'Gara
golden nugget of evidence that
Gregg is corrupt, bent and blackmailed Humble as you assert and thats
what you have to PROVE, so drum roll over to you to produce your
defence that Gregg is bent. Your in the last chance saloon old bean,
and the bar is dry
========================================================
I notice you have no history on these groups but have appeared from
nowhere to answer Mr O'Gara on this thread.
Who are you? Show yourself. Why are you hiding in the shadows?

He's a cleverclogs from Gregg's solicitors hoping to make a name for himself
and that O'Gara will make a fool of himself. One out of two, then. Nul
Points.
Tony.
2007-12-04 22:55:00 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
He's a cleverclogs from Gregg's solicitors hoping to make a name for himself
and that O'Gara will make a fool of himself. One out of two, then. Nul
Points.
Hi JL welcome back....now stop stirring no one is afraid of telling
the truth, O'Garas truths begins with Tracey, mine begins with my
dispute with my ex partners Sutcliffe solicitors, the guys who Dick
Holland was going to prosecute in Oct until they caught the ripper in
January the following year and suddenly dropped the prosecution and
further investigation into the firm.

And O'Gara is right to suspect a deal even if he can only work
backwards towards proving it...I dont have the same problem, I could
would and did talk to Derek Jack and kerry about the fraud they had
committed by declaring less tax on our transactions, I had to the tax
inspector was on my back as well as Peter Nixons back to answer
questions on the source of funds.

This low down police officer has to know exactely how Derek, Jack, Ian
and Kerry got out from under and I got put in and if he doesn't hes
going to learn why his more senior colleagues have misled him and why
no one wants to rock the ripper boat...they want that case to be a
closed done deal.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-04 22:59:35 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
He's a cleverclogs from Gregg's solicitors hoping to make a name for himself
and that O'Gara will make a fool of himself. One out of two, then. Nul
Points.
Hi JL welcome back....now stop stirring no one is afraid of telling
the truth, O'Garas truths begins with Tracey, mine begins with my
dispute with my ex partners Sutcliffe solicitors, the guys who Dick
etc, etc. You should know that the more you scratch at a scab, the more it
hurts.

I'd say if you haven't established your version of the truth by now, your
chances ain't going to improve.

Have you ever thought of taking up gardening? I'm told it's very relaxing.
Tony.
2007-12-04 23:05:27 UTC
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I'd say if you haven't established your version of the truth by now, your chances ain't going to improve.
You never know its abig city...and all Ive ever wanted was for some
guy to check things out...what folk have done before is to go to the
source and ask..guess waht Kerry Macgill has said or derek kenningham
or Ian underwood.....hell aint I just another nutty ex client..and
thats been my lot, no one has ever dared to say ajudge is aliar.
Have you ever thought of taking up gardening? I'm told it's very relaxing.
I live in a penthouse
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 23:07:21 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
He's a cleverclogs from Gregg's solicitors hoping to make a name for himself
and that O'Gara will make a fool of himself. One out of two, then. Nul
Points.
Hi JL welcome back....now stop stirring no one is afraid of telling
the truth, O'Garas truths begins with Tracey, mine begins with my
dispute with my ex partners Sutcliffe solicitors, the guys who Dick
etc, etc. You should know that the more you scratch at a scab, the more it
hurts.
I'd say if you haven't established your version of the truth by now, your
chances ain't going to improve.
Have you ever thought of taking up gardening? I'm told it's very relaxing.
================================================================
I've already asked Tony to put everything he has on one of the free
blog services, with scans of his original documents.
Tony.
2007-12-04 23:01:42 UTC
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And O'Gara is right to suspect a deal even if he can only work backwards towards proving it
Gregg dont have to work backwards, he can do the land regisrty checks
as can anyone else, they were in place BEFORE the ripper trial and my
name sits right next to the names of Crown Court Judges for the same
transaction, as Ive said before all my records ahve been wiped from
the officail lists of court cases on the instructions of the chief
constable...nothing to do with the rehabilitaion of offenders
act...though it is made to look this way.

This cover up was sanctioned by the chief constable of west yorkshire
and held in place by the HMI...go ask me what an HMI is....and Ive got
his letters as well
b***@aol.com
2007-12-04 23:13:43 UTC
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Post by Tony.
This cover up was sanctioned by the chief constable of west yorkshire
and held in place by the HMI...go ask me what an HMI is....and Ive got
his letters as well
Are you Noel's main Defence witness Tony? Thank god he's in good legal
hands. If you can get an exit visa to come over will you bring me 200
B & H ta
Tony.
2007-12-04 23:21:27 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Are you Noel's main Defence witness Tony?
Nope, Im supposed to be as mad as a March hare
Post by b***@aol.com
Thank god he's in good legal hands.
As you know, hes going to try and do it all himself....arent you
ahappy vegimite
Post by b***@aol.com
If you can get an exit visa to come over will you bring me 200 B & H ta
Well thanks to the Chief Constable, I have got no criminal record
whatsoever...Im just pissed off that I got screwed for the greater
good.
Tony.
2007-12-04 22:05:10 UTC
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We are still waiting for EVIDENCE or PROOF that the claimant (Gregg) is corrupt, bent
Its like this; Peter Sutcliffes trial was a fraud...you know who Peter
Sutcliffe is dont you, now you want to know why it was a fraud, well
every single on of Sutcliffes Solicitors Derek kenningham, Jack Lumb
and kerry Macgill and Ian Underwood were under police investigation by
Dick Holland...you know who Dick holland is dont you. And why can I
say this:

Well my company Vilindra listed Derek and Jack as directors and blow
me down we were even in partnership together when we bought 9 Russell
Street Little Horton, there is of course a record of that transaction
on the land registry in Nottingham, so when Crown Court judges tell
you I am simply a disgruntled ex cleint, they are telling lies....why
do I say that...well Derek Kerry and ian are now Crown Court judges
and they dont want the deal they did with David kyle to come out.

You know who David Kyle is dont you....he was the prosecuting
solicitor in the Sutcliffe trail and you do know that non of my ex
partners where prosecuted dont you and you do know that west yorkshire
senior police simply walked up to me and gave me a 26 page unsigned
confession to crimes that never happened....I could go on, but well,
we are talking about corruption at the very highest levels......why I
do suspect that the coroner was not even told somethings that should
now come out
Tony.
2007-12-04 22:08:57 UTC
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Post by Tony.
We are still waiting for EVIDENCE or PROOF that the claimant (Gregg) is corrupt, bent
Its like this; Peter Sutcliffes trial was a fraud...you know who Peter
Sutcliffe is dont you, now you want to know why it was a fraud, well
every single on of Sutcliffes Solicitors Derek kenningham, Jack Lumb
and kerry Macgill and Ian Underwood were under police investigation by
Dick Holland...you know who Dick holland is dont you. And why can I
Well my company Vilindra listed Derek and Jack as directors and blow
me down we were even in partnership together when we bought 9 Russell
Street Little Horton, there is of course a record of that transaction
on the land registry in Nottingham, so when Crown Court judges tell
you I am simply a disgruntled ex cleint, they are telling lies....why
do I say that...well Derek Kerry and ian are now Crown Court judges
and they dont want the deal they did with David kyle to come out.
You know who David Kyle is dont you....he was the prosecuting
solicitor in the Sutcliffe trail and you do know that non of my ex
partners where prosecuted dont you and you do know that west yorkshire
senior police simply walked up to me and gave me a 26 page unsigned
confession to crimes that never happened....I could go on, but well,
we are talking about corruption at the very highest levels......why I
do suspect that the coroner was not even told somethings that should
now come out
And yes, this has been covered up by alot of senior west yourshire
plods, much higher up than this local hero...this chappie is simply
the hatchet man
Patrick Cullinane
2007-12-05 09:23:15 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Noel O'Gara
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Does Mr Humble say that?
What did the BIRMINGHAM SIX and the GUILDFORD FOUR say when the POLICE
beat the CRAP out of THEM??? Always remember, THOSE WHO COMPLY
AGAINST THEIR WILL ARE OF THEIR OWN OPINION STILL.
Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Noel O'Gara
Now a confession which was blackmailed out of Humble meant he had no
trial because he agreed to cooperate with Gregg on the promise of a
sentence of a few years inside.
What part of EVIDENCE do you not understand, what PROOF do you have
that you can put before a court to say Mr Humble was blackmailed?
What part of DIFFERENT HAND WRITING do you NOT understand? Which is
incontrovertible EVIDENCE to everyone, apart from CORRUPT BRAINWASHED
SHITS like YOU.
Post by b***@aol.com
to give you a clue I have put the important words in capital letters
EVIDENCE and PROOF, come on rather than your theories etc etc, put up
the EVIDENCE and PROOF and let us all see,
In your case it would take a MIRACLE, because you are BLIND in one eye
and cannot see with the other. Therefore, you are INCAPABLE of SEEING
EVIDENCE.
Post by b***@aol.com
I will be the first to apologise if you can, but everyone knows you cannot.
Your HANDLERS would NOT allow you to apologise, COCK. You write, “but
everyone knows” – Please make it CLEAR to your HANDLERS that YOU do
NOT speak for me OR most of the people on this thread. What would a
BOLLOCKS like YOU know about EVIDENCE when you CANNOT even see the
EVIDENCE that YOU are OUTNUMBERD here ALSO?
Post by b***@aol.com
Remember, the case that you are being sued about is against a Police
Officer (Gregg), I and I suspect everyone else are getting bored rigid
waiting to provide EVIDENCE or PROOF on here that this Police officer
is Corrupt, bent and has framed Humble, THATS the point in issue that
you are having to defend. Forget your conspiracy theories on whether
Tracey is the real Ripper, put your EVIDENCE up that Gregg is what you
have described him as,
Pray HARD that GOD will restore your SIGHT before you ROAST in HELL.
Post by b***@aol.com
Would you like 50/50, phone a friend or ask the audience, back against
the wall comes to mind.
YOU are A complete LUNATIC it you THINK Noel O'Gara's back is against
the wall with ALL these OPTIONS OPEN to HIM. Not alone can't you SEE,
but you DON'T have a BRAIN either.
Post by b***@aol.com
fI hope you have a really good legal team co's from what I have seen you are
going to need them, over to you to show
everyone here EVIDENCE or PROOF against Gregg or can't you?
Was it CHRIS GREGG that AUTHORISED you to SPEAK for “EVERYONE HERE” ?

And DID you also DO your TOUR OF DUTY in NORTHERN IRELAND? Because
YOU are well BRAINWASHED, COCK, wherever you were SCHOOLED.

Patrick Cullinane.
Westprog
2007-12-05 10:04:51 UTC
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Post by Patrick Cullinane
Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Noel O'Gara
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Does Mr Humble say that?
What did the BIRMINGHAM SIX and the GUILDFORD FOUR say when the POLICE
beat the CRAP out of THEM???
They said that the police beat the crap out of them. That was the first step
in getting their convictions eventually quashed. If they'd insisted that
they had made their confessions freely, it's likely they'd still be in jail.
Corroborating evidence was found that other suspects had the crap beaten out
of them by the same Gene Hunts.

I look forward to NOG getting his time in court. At last the clear evidence
which we've all found so convincing can be presented to a jury.

I wonder what handwriting expert he has lined up?
--
J/

SOTW: "Ellen West" - Throwing Muses
Noel O'Gara
2007-12-05 11:35:19 UTC
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Post by Westprog
Post by Patrick Cullinane
Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Noel O'Gara
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Does Mr Humble say that?
What did the BIRMINGHAM SIX and the GUILDFORD FOUR say when the POLICE
beat the CRAP out of THEM???
They said that the police beat the crap out of them. That was the first step
in getting their convictions eventually quashed. If they'd insisted that
they had made their confessions freely, it's likely they'd still be in jail.
Corroborating evidence was found that other suspects had the crap beaten out
of them by the same Gene Hunts.
I look forward to NOG getting his time in court. At last the clear evidence
which we've all found so convincing can be presented to a jury.
I wonder what handwriting expert he has lined up?
I dont need any experts. We all can see that so called experts are so
flawed.
I believe that a jury of normal people will conclude that the writer
of the letter to Oldfield was not written by the hand of John Humble.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/4/newsid_2538000/2538321.stm

Looks like Tony has gone off the rails again but he has deleted all
his posts as he knows that it is a load of lies.
This shows what a twister and a malicious liar he is.
Tony.
2007-12-05 22:02:26 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
Looks like Tony has gone off the rails again but he has deleted all
his posts as he knows that it is a load of lies.
This shows what a twister and a malicious liar he is.-
Nope boyo, I delete so someone like you can put them back again, and
if there is any libel in them that re poster cops it....as to my
story, its still the same, I was given ( I never made such a
confession) a 26 page unsigned confession by senior officers of west
yorkshire police the confession listed my admissions to crimes that
had never happened, the confession was later proved to be a fake by a
member of the Royal Society.

The same police officer (Dick Holland) who conducted the ripper hunt
was well aware of the fake confession I was given and the need to take
my complaints ( before the tax office fraud squad) about the criminal
conduct of my ex partners, my ex partners were at that time the
solicitors defending. The ripper the file has been reviewed by Gregg,
he is therefore aware of the names of the solicitors who were my
partners and who were under police investigation at the time of the
riper prosecution.

They have all now become Crown Court Judges

It is easy for me to say Gregg is bent therefore, but you cant, You
can allude to a deal done, I can tell you what the deal was and who it
was done by.

I Have 2 copies of the 26 page confession (even though the Home
secretary was told by senior officers of WYP that they had been
destroyed), I have authenticated proof that they are not my words and
I can prove that no crimes were ever committed, Gregg on the other
needs to keep my partners names away from you or any part of this
story cos this is the one that has the impact not your fairy tales.
Tony.
2007-12-06 00:16:38 UTC
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Post by Tony.
I can prove that no crimes were ever committed, Gregg on the other
needs to keep my partners names away from you or any part of this
story cos this is the one that has the impact not your fairy tales.
In fact it may well be better to offer Gregg the option of either him
being incompetent or bent and give him the choice simply by banging
the paperwork under his nose....but see O'gara you dont have any
paperwork to that do you, all you've got is your book...your
assertions.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-05 11:56:55 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Noel O'Gara
The evidence is crystal clear if you read Humble's letter to me and
compare it to the Ripper's letter. He didnt write those two letters.
Does Mr Humble say that?
What did the BIRMINGHAM SIX and the GUILDFORD FOUR say when the POLICE
beat the CRAP out of THEM???

"Please stop hitting me"? "Ouch, yaroo, leggo, you rotters"?

I give up.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-05 16:39:35 UTC
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And DID you also DO your TOUR OF DUTY in NORTHERN IRELAND? �Because
YOU are well BRAINWASHED, COCK, wherever you were SCHOOLED.
Patrick Cullinane.
Wrong side of the border old boy. Tell me have you ever visited the
planet earth.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-05 17:09:41 UTC
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As I see it the evidence is as follows:

(a) Humble's handwriting and the hoaxer's handwriting are not the
same;
(b) Humble's voice and the hoaxer's voice, although similar, are
clearly not from the same person when you listen to them repeatedly;
(c) The publicity surrounding the Yorkshire Ripper case in 1979-80 was
on a par with the present Madeleine McCann case. If Humble were the
hoaxer, it is inconceivable that his family and acquaintances did not
turn him in to the police at the time. Therefore Humble is not the
hoaxer.

Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested. That video footage should be played
in court, as should the tapes of Humble's voice and the hoaxer's
voice; the latter should be played about five times in succession in
court, as the voices sound similar on a first hearing, but after about
five hearings it becomes clear that they are from two different men.
The jury should be given facilities to view the video and sound
evidence repeatedly during their deliberations.

Apart from the actual sound, there is a huge personality gap - John
Humble is at one end of the scale, an emotional cripple, as his voice
shows; by contrast, the real Ripper (or real hoaxer, as the case may
be when all is known) is right at the other end of the spectrum, he is
a MAN OF POWER, his voice exudes self confidence and arrogance with
every syllable.

A jury will see the truth.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-05 17:52:39 UTC
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Post by Old Jinglebollocks
(a) Humble's handwriting and the hoaxer's handwriting are not the
same;
Neither is mine the same as it was thirty years ago. Nor yours.
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
(b) Humble's voice and the hoaxer's voice, although similar, are
clearly not from the same person when you listen to them repeatedly;
In whose opinion? It's nothing more than that. What tests have been done,
and in what conditions? If I were Humble, and having been told why I had
been arrested, would I not try to disguise my voice knowing that one of the
main issues in the case is voice identification?
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
(c) The publicity surrounding the Yorkshire Ripper case in 1979-80 was
on a par with the present Madeleine McCann case. If Humble were the
hoaxer, it is inconceivable that his family and acquaintances did not
turn him in to the police at the time. Therefore Humble is not the
hoaxer.
His family and acquaintances in all probability live in the same locality,
where his accent would not have particularly stood out from others, then or
now.
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested. That video footage should be played
in court, as should the tapes of Humble's voice and the hoaxer's
voice; the latter should be played about five times in succession in
court, as the voices sound similar on a first hearing, but after about
five hearings it becomes clear that they are from two different men.
The jury should be given facilities to view the video and sound
evidence repeatedly during their deliberations.
And, of course, Humble is such an expert biochemist that somehow he has
managed to change his DNA over the last thirty years. Not.
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Apart from the actual sound, there is a huge personality gap - John
Humble is at one end of the scale, an emotional cripple, as his voice
shows; by contrast, the real Ripper (or real hoaxer, as the case may
be when all is known) is right at the other end of the spectrum, he is
a MAN OF POWER, his voice exudes self confidence and arrogance with
every syllable.
It's amazing, isn't it, the effect of thirty years of drinking cheap cider
has on a man, let alone natural aging processes?
Westprog
2007-12-05 18:41:25 UTC
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...
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested.
...

That's me convinced. And you all said that there was no evidence!
--
J/

SOTW: "Ellen West" - Throwing Muses
b***@aol.com
2007-12-05 19:27:01 UTC
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...
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested.
Yep, the expressions on the faces of his neighbours too has me
convinced of his innocence.................(rolling on floor peeing
myself laughing)
I have heard some rubbish spoken over the years but this humble thing
beggars belief. I have found some documents I wrote 25 years ago and
the writing is totally different to how I write now. I bet the authors
of these silly conspiracy theories really believe the moon landings
were faked by NASA. as in the film Capricorn one.
Get a proper job lads, I have some allotments near Dublin full of
vegetables that need tending can you send me your C.V
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-05 19:47:22 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
...
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested.
Yep, the expressions on the faces of his neighbours too has me
convinced of his innocence.................(rolling on floor peeing
myself laughing)
I have heard some rubbish spoken over the years but this humble thing
beggars belief. I have found some documents I wrote 25 years ago and
the writing is totally different to how I write now. I bet the authors
of these silly conspiracy theories really believe the moon landings
were faked by NASA. as in the film Capricorn one.
Get a proper job lads, I have some allotments near Dublin full of
vegetables that need tending can you send me your C.V
===================================================================

Laughter is good for your health, as well as enjoyable, so I am
pleased for you. But if you laugh at something as grave as this, with
all its implications for the slow-motion destruction of civil
liberties in Europe, then you are showing your immaturity.

Your thinking is compartmentalised and linear, that’s if it can be
called thinking at all.

This is about the principle of *proof beyond reasonable doubt* . If
your mind could assemble coherently a set of related facts and
perceive the interconnections and cause-effect links between them, you
would be able to see that the evidence proves *beyond reasonable
doubt* that John Humble is not the hoaxer. I am confident that a jury
will see that too, unless the jury is somehow contaminated.

I don’t know what the present state of play is, but if a juryless
‘judgment’ is given in a case like this, the implications are
horrendous. Book burnings are not far in the future in Western Europe,
and I am not the only one saying that.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-05 20:22:46 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
...
Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Those core facts can be enhanced by various other evidence, for
example the expressions of incredulity on the faces of John Humble's
neighbours when he was arrested.
Yep, the expressions on the faces of his neighbours too has me
convinced of his innocence.................(rolling on floor peeing
myself laughing)
I have heard some rubbish spoken over the years but this humble thing
beggars belief. I have found some documents I wrote 25 years ago and
the writing is totally different to how I write now. I bet the authors
of these silly conspiracy theories really believe the moon landings
were faked by NASA. as in the film Capricorn one.
Get a proper job lads, I have some allotments near Dublin full of
vegetables that need tending can you send me your C.V
===================================================================

Laughter is good for your health, as well as enjoyable, so I am
pleased for you. But if you laugh at something as grave as this, with
all its implications for the slow-motion destruction of civil
liberties in Europe, then you are showing your immaturity.

For god's sake get some perspective here! Nobody cares a toss about a
raddled old soak- whether that's Humble or yourself.

from Wikipedia:
* He admitted to being Wearside Jack on February 23, 2006
* The defence also claimed he had lived an "inadequate life", and had
been driven by guilt to alcoholism.
* it emerged that he had telephoned the incident room and informed them
that the tape was a hoax

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Humble

He appealed. It was refused. End of.
b***@aol.com
2007-12-05 20:40:04 UTC
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On Dec 5, 8:22�pm, "Janitor of Lunacy" <***@attic.info> wrote:

Spot on Janitor. Humble did appeal NOT against his conviction in which
he pleasded guilty but against his sentence i.e the length of it.
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-05 21:12:36 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
For god's sake get some perspective here! Nobody cares a toss about a
raddled old soak- whether that's Humble or yourself.
====================================================================

I agree entirely that nobody gives a toss, and I don't mean about
Humble or me, but about the decay of our civilisation and the true
explanation of the human condition and finding a way out of the hole
we're all in.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-05 21:29:17 UTC
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Post by Old Jinglebollocks
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
For god's sake get some perspective here! Nobody cares a toss about a
raddled old soak- whether that's Humble or yourself.
====================================================================
I agree entirely that nobody gives a toss, and I don't mean about
Humble or me, but about the decay of our civilisation and the true
explanation of the human condition and finding a way out of the hole
we're all in.
How wonderfully existential of you. "We are all born astride the grave"
(Samuel Beckett) indeed. But how does this relate to a self-confessed
criminal whose actions arguably facilitated the Yorkshire Ripper to carry on
killing?

Note I have not said that Sutcliffe is the Ripper, nor that he was the only
one. Or otherwise.
Tony.
2007-12-06 04:09:15 UTC
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Post by Old Jinglebollocks
I agree entirely that nobody gives a toss,
Let me disagree with JL about no one giving a toss, some folk do and
some folk will either make death threats or commit other lunatic
actions against some poster they disagree with, the really smart and
vindictive posters will take court action such as issue a libel
writ....the beauty of libel writ issued against a person with no
assets is that a person bringing the writ has little or no chance of
covering his/her costs. Alot of folk posting to NGs have no assets and
are in fact welfare recipients.

It pays therefore to find out if a person you wish to sue has any
money at all before issuing in the High Court a writ for libel, the
expected windfall might not happen and it could cost a lot of money to
bring the case before a judge. (as an aside it is well known I have no
assets at all)

I note with some interest that Noel O'Gara has boasted that he owns a
large farm in Ireland and indicates that he is a multimillionaire, I
wonder why he has done that if his material is not true?
Westprog
2007-12-06 07:45:22 UTC
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Janitor of Lunacy wrote:
...
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
How wonderfully existential of you. "We are all born astride the
grave" (Samuel Beckett) indeed. But how does this relate to a
self-confessed criminal whose actions arguably facilitated the
Yorkshire Ripper to carry on killing?
Note I have not said that Sutcliffe is the Ripper, nor that he was
the only one. Or otherwise.
Still, when Humble stands up in court and says that he was beaten into
confessing, and the scientists say that all the DNA evidence was faked, and
they show that film of the surprised neighbours... can't lose.
--
J/

SOTW: "Ellen West" - Throwing Muses
Old Jinglebollocks
2007-12-04 22:03:45 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
actually I posted this last night but it didnt appear. Gregg's solrs
have been badgering Google also but then I am not a conspiracy
theorist.
=========================================================
several people have said there are technical faults on google groups
in the past few months.
A week ago I posted something and it is not apearing as a successful
post on my computer screen, and yet when others reply to it, they are
quoting bits of it.
Also, my profile (list of previous posts) does not update itself
immediately as it used to do, but is always about a week delayed in
listing previous posts.
Tony.
2007-12-02 21:43:32 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Proceedings were taken in the jurisdiction in which the alleged libel
occurred, which is usual. You can't have them moved about to suit your
preference. And, I don't know if you've noticed this, but the Republic of
Ireland operates a different legal system from the United Kingdom.
I think O'Gara is saying because he lives in Ireland he can say
anything he wants to say in other parts of the world and so even if
the libel took place in Liverpool and a case is brought before a judge
in Liverpool and an order given against him by a Liverpool judge he
wont have to pay a cent to the person he libeled in liverpool.
Janitor of Lunacy
2007-12-02 22:00:02 UTC
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Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Proceedings were taken in the jurisdiction in which the alleged libel
occurred, which is usual. You can't have them moved about to suit your
preference. And, I don't know if you've noticed this, but the Republic of
Ireland operates a different legal system from the United Kingdom.
I think O'Gara is saying because he lives in Ireland he can say
anything he wants to say in other parts of the world and so even if
the libel took place in Liverpool and a case is brought before a judge
in Liverpool and an order given against him by a Liverpool judge he
wont have to pay a cent to the person he libeled in liverpool.
Unless he owns any property whatsoever in the United Kingdom.
Tony.
2007-12-02 22:24:44 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Tony.
Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Proceedings were taken in the jurisdiction in which the alleged libel
occurred, which is usual. You can't have them moved about to suit your
preference. And, I don't know if you've noticed this, but the Republic of
Ireland operates a different legal system from the United Kingdom.
I think O'Gara is saying because he lives in Ireland he can say
anything he wants to say in other parts of the world and so even if
the libel took place in Liverpool and a case is brought before a judge
in Liverpool and an order given against him by a Liverpool judge he
wont have to pay a cent to the person he libeled in liverpool.
Unless he owns any property whatsoever in the United Kingdom.
So because he doesnt own any thing at all in the UK are you saying if
the judge hands down an order that he pay 50grand, that O'gara will
never have to pay anything...seems a pointless exercise that a senior
Plod will instruct and pay expensive solicitors knowing that...explain
b***@aol.com
2007-12-02 22:04:02 UTC
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Post by Tony.
I think O'Gara is saying because he lives in Ireland he can say
anything he wants to say in other parts of the world and so even if
the libel took place in Liverpool and a case is brought before a judge
in Liverpool and an order given against him by a Liverpool judge he
wont have to pay a cent to the person he libeled in liverpool.
Then he is misguided, the hearing can take place anywhere in the UK
even if the libel was made elseshere i.e Germany.
Tony.
2007-12-06 01:16:11 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Post by Tony.
I think O'Gara is saying because he lives in Ireland he can say
anything he wants to say in other parts of the world and so even if
the libel took place in Liverpool and a case is brought before a judge
in Liverpool and an order given against him by a Liverpool judge he
wont have to pay a cent to the person he libeled in liverpool.
Then he is misguided, the hearing can take place anywhere in the UK
even if the libel was made elseshere i.e Germany.
However, O'Gara did the upload in the Ro Ireland, so the libel
originated in the Ro Ireland and was read presumable in the UK and
certainly in Australia, the quantum of course how many folk read
O'Garas web page, the answer is not many, so the application to
dismiss might have merit, assuming O'Gara will meet the costs to date
of Gregg...O'Gara dont like parting with his own money though, so my
guess is that he will want to fight.
Eyan The Mackem (oo)
2007-11-30 02:34:14 UTC
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Post by Janitor of Lunacy
Post by Tony.
Post by Tommy McTwattybumbum
Stop smoking crack!
Hey O'Gara, youre amultimillionaire remember, you own acar park worth
170 million, an antique business in Dublin worth a million, a large
victorian farmhouse and land worth 1/2 million...hell whats 50grand to
you, cough it up and move on....lve yer heaps.
Omigod- the pubs are shut again. Just settle back with that 12yo malt,
guys, the fun's about to start,
HeHe
Tony.
2007-11-30 03:06:49 UTC
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Post by Noel O'Gara
CASE NUMBER 7MA90367
Mr C.A. Gregg v Mr N. O'Gara
Dear Sir,
In reply to your letter dated 31st October but received by me on 16th
November and your file of statements served on me on Friday 23rd
November, I wish to enter the following submission to the court.
Your Application for summary judgment by the claimant set down for
Friday, the 7th December at Liverpool District Registry of the High
court, 35 Vernon Street , Liverpool is a most blatant abuse of the
process of law and I ask that it be struck out or dismissed. The
Claimant says he 'waives his right to a jury trial', indicating that
he and his representatives are well aware that it SHOULD come before a
jury.
He may waive HIS right, but he cannot waive MY right to a jury
trial, and I respectfully insist that if they decide to continue, it
must be heard by a jury.
I also ask that costs to date be awarded to me.
I have a valid defense to the claim because the words complained of
are statements of facts and reasonable assumptions based on certain
facts and it is a matter for a jury to decide if that is contested.
Lewis Hymanson and Small have stated that I have failed to provide
particulars to support my defence. This is misleading. My defence is
contained in the web page which is part of a larger web site that
proves that Peter Sutcliffe is not the Yorkshire Ripper but rather a
copycat killer who was offered ten years in a mental home in exchange
for his confessions for the Ripper's murders in addition to his own
killings.
They refer to the Civil Evidence Act 1968 which asserted that a court
conviction was sufficient evidence to prove that a person convicted
did commit the offence. That Act has been repealed by the 1995 Act.
The exoneration and release of the Birmingham 6, the Guildford 4, the
Maguire 7, Stefan Kiszko, Anthony Steel, Winston Silcott, the
Bridgewater three, Dereck Bentley, the Cardiff three, Judith Ward,
Robert Brown, Barry George to name but a few of the innocent people
who were framed by corrupt police statements and convicted for
murders and were subsequently freed by appeal judges is telling
evidence that a conviction in a court of law is not proof that a
person committed the crime.
In particular the stitch up of innocent Stefan Kiszko stands out and
that was orchestrated by Detective Superintendant Dick Holland of the
West Yorkshire police who was subsequently charged with perverting the
course of justice but not proceeded with.
In view of all these miscarriages of justice but which would more
correctly be described as police stitch-ups; the assertion by the
claimant Mr Gregg that because John Humble was convicted by a court
and therefore he is guilty is not by any means absolute proof of his
guilt. He did not have a jury trial.
Humble was a vulnerable alcoholic who had a past criminal record and
when he was arrested and charged with being the Ripper hoaxer he
cooperated with the police and had no trial before a jury because he
had been coerced into confessing to the crime and he had no way out of
his predicament. This man was a vulnerable chronic drunk who couldn't
remember his movements or actions and was easily convinced that if he
didn't cooperate with the police he would get a longer sentence for
attempted murder. Fabricated DNA alleged to have linked him to the
letters was never authenticated or independently tested and all one
has to do is look at his handwriting to see that he was not the man
who sent the Ripper's letters to George Oldfield.
The Birmingham 6 and all the other innocent victims of police frame
ups referred to above were protesting their innocence from the time
they were arrested and their convictions in court didn't alter the
facts that they were innocent. Meanwhile the real killers and bombers
remained free and safe from investigation.
A similar scenario exists in this case and the real Yorkshire Ripper
who sent the letters and a taped message to the police is still a free
man and living in the UK today safe in the knowledge that the police
will not wish to reinvestigate his crimes because a court has
convicted Sutcliffe of them.
These are facts that will be put to the jury if this action continues
and I wish to make it clear that only a jury can decide on such
serious allegations and counter allegations.
Detective Chief Superintendent Chris Gregg who is head of the Homicide
and Major Enquiries team in the West Yorkshire police force and who
was responsible for the conviction of John Humble as the Ripper Hoaxer
in 2005 has served me with papers saying that I have libeled him in my
web site and he is seeking 50,000 pounds damages and seeking an
injunction to prevent me publishing my claims.
His lawyers, Messrs Lewis Hymanson and Small solicitors of Manchester
are now seeking summary judgment from a judge alone by intimating that
he is such a senior policeman and my defence to my allegations have no
real prospect of success. Just as Detective Gregg denied John Humble
a jury trial he is now resorting to similar tactics in his defamation
action.
The statements he complains of are contained in this web page which is
an update of my book and web site entitled the Real Yorkshire Ripper.
My web site address iswww.yorkshireripper.com
http://yorkshireripper.com/johnhumble.htm
Truth is an absolute defense to an allegation of libel and I am only
saying what I know to be true.
My web site and book is the basis of my evidence and it must be taken
in its entirety.
I informed the claimants that I live in Ireland and I work in Ireland
and I published my book and web site in Ireland and therefore if he
wished to take legal action against me he should do so in Ireland and
I would be happy to defend myself before a judge and a jury because I
stand over everything I wrote.
The real Ripper is still a free man and the murders have not stopped.
The john Humble case must be looked at in the context of the Yorkshire
Ripper investigation.
Chris Gregg has claimed to have solved a mystery that eluded the
police for the five years of the Ripper investigation and was the
subject of massive national and international publicity to unmask the
author of the letters and the tape recorded voice message.
That was to compare the hand writing and listen to the voice.
Without doubt John Humble was not regarded as the author of that tape
at that time when it was being played at every news broadcast in his
home town over the two years prior to the arrest of Peter Sutcliffe.
All his family and acquaintances who knew his voice intimately failed
to point a finger at him at this time and yet he now says he did send
the tape when confronted with a police fait accompli that his DNA was
found on one of the letters. This was found notwithstanding the fact
that the tapes and letters were reported to have been lost or
destroyed after the trial of Sutcliffe just as the clothes and
belongings of Sutcliffe were ordered to be brought to an incinerator
by the chief constable Ronald Gregory after his trial.
see the Sun article on this web page for evidence of this.http://yorkshireripper.com/bilton.htm
Humble actually wrote to the author from his prison cell and his hand
writing is totally different to the letters sent by the Ripper to
Oldfield.
I will attend court and request a jury trial and I will have evidence
of the stitch up of Sutcliffe and a murder weapon belonging to the
real Ripper that the police dont wish to investigate as well as some
witnesses who read my book and support me fully including the fact
that Chris Gregg consciously framed the vulnerable John Humble knowing
him to be innocent.
Humble was just another patsy to close off that embarrassing gap in
the Ripper case but the evidence remains on the record that there were
two killers involved in the Ripper hunt and there was evidence that
the same person who sent the letters and tape to George Oldfield was
also the killer of Joan Harrison in Preston in 1975, a murder still
unsolved but no doubt Gregg has the way to solve any crime with
fabricated DNA used against defenceless ex criminals who have no
support and have learned to accept the best deal going when they are
faced with a stitch up.
Gregg is desperately trying to shore up the cracks that are opening up
in the conviction of Sutcliffe but the evidence is now too strong to
hold that together.
David Bruce the chief crime correspondent of the Yorkshire Evening
Post is Gregg's only independent witness that he has been libeled.
Bruce who is 30 years a crime reporter with that paper has a record of
covering up police crime and helping to keep people like Stefan
Kiszko, Anthony Steel and Judith Ward locked away knowing they had
been framed by bent cops. He made a living getting tip offs from these
policemen who used him. Having the inside track on criminal cases
always got him the headlines. If anything other than official police
statements came to his attention such as Stefan Kiszko's alibi or
Judith Ward's claims of innocence, Bruce would dismiss them and so he
has been complicit in the crimes of these corrupt policemen in a very
sinister way for many years by misleading the general public and
concealing their cries of innocence. It is telling that he is the one
witness Chris Gregg can now call upon for help and his statement that
he didn't believe my allegations for one moment is reminiscent of his
statements about Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward and Anthony Steel who were
all framed by corrupt policemen and their crimes written up by him
without reservation.
Noel O'Gara
Copy my book enclosed as part of my defense evidence.
Address of my web site the full contents of which is part of my
defense evidence.
These are for the attention of the jury and will have to be read by
them in the libel trial.
Copy of a selection of reviews and articles published by British
newspapers at the time of the Ripper hunt and prior to the trial of
Peter Sutcliffe indexed 1 to 31 and dated.
Peter Sutcliffe will be sub poenaed to testify about ...
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You need file a proper defense and you need be absolutely disciplined
in presenting it. Start from the fact you've burned 50 grand and its
going to cost you alot more...BUT...if youre an honest man and a
disciplined man and you are determined to defend then you will at
least get aforum for your claims to be heard. Your present reply to
the Court is pure balony, you need to work out and work thru all the
possibly defenses.....your book wont cut it neither will the press
reveiws...all that will be thrown out..you need witnesses.

Now I recall some pictures I bought from you...they were
fakes...remember, send me my money back and pay my air fare to Ireland
from Switzerland, and just maybe I will help you present, remember
what I bring to the party, proof that my ex partners are now Crown
Court judges (everyone wants to deny that), who as solicitors defended
Sutcliffe and proof that my 26 page confession isnt lost as the West
yorkshire Plod told the CCRC it was...and proof that the royal society
says it is a total fabrication naming the 2 west Yorkshire police who
fabricated it.

In other words you get the best proof possibly that west yorkshire
plod deals in fabricated confession, we can even show how they
manufactured all physical evidence as well then you present
kiszko...you neatly nail Dick Holland this way. It should also be
possible to have agot at the stats used in present day techniques in
the UK DNA work.

And best of all, I bring proof that my partners said they were doing
adeal with David Kyle/Michal Havers that there were 2 rippers..all to
cover up the tax fraud that Sutcliffes sols. now crown court judges
had committed....this is much better than your assertions...and all
this can be strutchered under the headings of truth, natural justice,
in the public interest and of course who told you what.

The you can supeana other witness to support your case, but on your
own and with your book forget it, pay up....and get rid of any assets
you own (im penny less as you know, not got abrass razor to my
name)...now you know why. Get in touch in this forum, the email doesnt
work and we will arange to talk
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