Discussion:
The Continuing Madness of Tony Holland
(too old to reply)
Michael John Smith
2007-02-20 19:19:30 UTC
Permalink
It was only recently, in January 2007, that I discovered Tony Hollan
had been posting material about my case on LegalBanter. Not that
could object to that matter, if it was material already in the publi
domain, but he was publishing material that was being privatel
discussed between himself and I. Needless to say, I had never been tol
by Mr Holland that this material was being posted, because he wa
feeding me a story that he was in contact with solicitors and lawyer
he knew.

I genuinely believed that Mr Holland was trying to help me, and sinc
July 2006 we have been in correspondence concerning my case at th
Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). What he did not appear to lik
was the fact that I was also in contact with John Symonds (known as th
"Romeo" spy), who has proved to be a good friend to me and also
source of valuable information to my case.

For the past few months Mr Holland has continually been trying t
undermine Mr Symonds involvement in my case, but I tried to be friendl
with both of them without causing any rift. The final trigger, whic
appears to have sent Mr Holland into melt-down, was when I sent out a
email to Professor Christopher Andrew and staff at Cambridg
University, attacking Andrew for not correcting errors in "Th
Mitrokhin Archive" (1999) about my case.

Open Letter to Professor Christopher Andrew
http://cryptome.org/mi-parrot.htm

Suddenly Mr Holland changed completely. From his initial agreement tha
this letter was a good one, he suddenly started sending emails to th
recipients undermining my position. I immediately got the impressio
that he was trying to sabotage my case, and it appears Mr Holland wa
probably working as an MI5 agent all along, to prevent me winning a
Appeal.

His behaviour has been pretty bizarre for some time. He caused m
lawyers to drop me, because they said they couldn't deal with somebod
like Tony. He also accused my trial QC of being a goat f**ker and
paedophile, and he has often sent strongly worded emails about my cas
to important people and organisations without my knowledge o
agreement.

Tony Holland is now writing emails off to all his contacts saying tha
he believes I am guilty of espionage. For a man who claimed to believ
in my innocence, this is indeed a dirty game to play by any yardstick
And why should he suddenly have turned so much against me? I canno
understand what makes this man tick, but his actions come across tha
he is like a spoilt child, who cannot get his own way. Rather tha
behave like a man and just forget any hurt he feels I have caused hi
pride, he would rather do everything to sabotage my chances of winnin
an Appeal. I was the one who spent over 10 years in prison, and now
have to suffer this leech on my back as well.

I only wish I had read this thread from Noel O'Gara before I got s
tied up with Tony Holland, because I think Tony Holland is the kiss o
death on anyone who listens to his mad ideas.

http://tinyurl.com/34bgx6

Michael John Smit


--
Michael John Smith
John DoH
2007-02-20 20:17:13 UTC
Permalink
It was only recently, in January 2007, that I discovered Tony Holland
had been posting material about my case on LegalBanter. Not that I
could object to that matter, if it was material already in the public
domain, but he was publishing material that was being privately
discussed between himself and I. Needless to say, I had never been told
by Mr Holland that this material was being posted, because he was
feeding me a story that he was in contact with solicitors and lawyers
he knew.
I genuinely believed that Mr Holland was trying to help me, and since
July 2006 we have been in correspondence concerning my case at the
Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC). What he did not appear to like
was the fact that I was also in contact with John Symonds (known as the
"Romeo" spy), who has proved to be a good friend to me and also a
source of valuable information to my case.
For the past few months Mr Holland has continually been trying to
undermine Mr Symonds involvement in my case, but I tried to be friendly
with both of them without causing any rift. The final trigger, which
appears to have sent Mr Holland into melt-down, was when I sent out an
email to Professor Christopher Andrew and staff at Cambridge
University, attacking Andrew for not correcting errors in "The
Mitrokhin Archive" (1999) about my case.
Open Letter to Professor Christopher Andrew
http://cryptome.org/mi-parrot.htm
Suddenly Mr Holland changed completely. From his initial agreement that
this letter was a good one, he suddenly started sending emails to the
recipients undermining my position. I immediately got the impression
that he was trying to sabotage my case, and it appears Mr Holland was
probably working as an MI5 agent all along, to prevent me winning an
Appeal.
His behaviour has been pretty bizarre for some time. He caused my
lawyers to drop me, because they said they couldn't deal with somebody
like Tony. He also accused my trial QC of being a goat f**ker and a
paedophile, and he has often sent strongly worded emails about my case
to important people and organisations without my knowledge or
agreement.
Tony Holland is now writing emails off to all his contacts saying that
he believes I am guilty of espionage. For a man who claimed to believe
in my innocence, this is indeed a dirty game to play by any yardstick.
And why should he suddenly have turned so much against me? I cannot
understand what makes this man tick, but his actions come across that
he is like a spoilt child, who cannot get his own way. Rather than
behave like a man and just forget any hurt he feels I have caused his
pride, he would rather do everything to sabotage my chances of winning
an Appeal. I was the one who spent over 10 years in prison, and now I
have to suffer this leech on my back as well.
I only wish I had read this thread from Noel O'Gara before I got so
tied up with Tony Holland, because I think Tony Holland is the kiss of
death on anyone who listens to his mad ideas.
http://tinyurl.com/34bgx6
Michael John Smith
You sound bitter.

There's an old Polish saying, if you lie down with pigs, your goose gets
cooked.
Tony Holland
2007-02-20 22:41:56 UTC
Permalink
On Feb 21, 6:19 am, Michael John Smith <Michael.John.Smith.
For the past few months Mr Holland has continually been trying to
undermine Mr Symonds involvement in my case, but I tried to be friendly
with both of them without causing any rift.
Did you now and thats why you sent in my side of our correspondence is
it, why not send John your side as well to see how you veiw the
8senile* old bugger* was it
Tony Holland is now writing emails off to all his contacts saying that
he believes I am guilty of espionage.
Hey we tried to help you, you lied to us and folk need to be tolk
where the lie is, you cant expect to fool all the people all the time
matey
. Rather than
behave like a man and just forget any hurt he feels I have caused his
pride, he would rather do everything to sabotage my chances of winning
an Appeal. I was the one who spent over 10 years in prison, and now I
have to suffer this leech on my back as well.
Wrong again, if you were innocent I would and have tried to help you,
but the simply facts are you stole info you knew was secret/sensitive
you were told this by HRC security and you sold it to the Russians on
more than 5 occassions and you got back more than 20grand...you
deserved the 25 years sentence.
I only wish I had read this thread from Noel O'Gara before I got so
tied up with Tony Holland, because I think Tony Holland is the kiss of
death on anyone who listens to his mad ideas.
Ah yes! another lie, good one this cos you were well aware of the
O'Gara fiasco both from myself and from a Leeds City Councilor who I
asked to look at your case remember boyo, JL and I got sucked in by
O'Gara and we both told you we werent going to be sucked in
again......now off you go and play with Noel...all youve got to do is
say you belive Billy Tracey is the true yorkshire kipper and youve got
afreind for life.

And by the way, I'll send all my stuff to the CCRC just to square the
ledger
Michael John Smith
2007-02-20 19:25:38 UTC
Permalink
I finally thought it was necessary to again tell the addressees a
Cambridge University about the correspondence I had had with Ton
Holland, in an attempt to placate him, but which seems merely to hav
provoked him further.

from Mike Smith <***@googlemail.com>
to: v-***@admin.cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk
***@crim.cam.ac.uk, ***@cusu.cam.ac.uk
***@cusu.cam.ac.uk, ***@cusu.cam.ac.uk
cc: ***@aol.com, ***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk
***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk
***@cam.ac.uk, ***@cam.ac.uk
bcc: Paul Beaumont <***@yahoo.co.uk>, Stephen Dorri
<***@hud.ac.uk>, Trowbridge Ford <***@swipnet.se>
Robin Ramsay <***@lobster.karoo.co.uk>
date Feb 20, 2007 1:51 AM
subject Re: Open letter to Professor Christopher Andrew
mailed-by googlemail.com

Dear Sirs,

I am sorry to disturb you again, but I thought you ought to see this.

Following the email(s) you have received from Tony Holland, I though
it necessary that you read the correspondence that I had with hi
yesterday. I offered him the chance to explain why he acted the way h
did in writing to you without my knowledge or agreement, and also th
chance to refute the allegation I had made that he was working for MI5
You will note that he does not answer any of my points (includin
whether he is working for MI5?), but merely continues to make mor
damaging statements against me. These points were already covered at m
trial in 1993, and are still under review by the Criminal Cases Revie
Commission (CCRC), and no doubt Professor Christopher Andrew will kno
that he cannot give any other explanation than what is already in th
public record.

Yours faithfully,
Michael John Smit


--
Michael John Smith
Tony Holland
2007-02-20 23:56:55 UTC
Permalink
On Feb 21, 6:25 am, Michael John Smith <Michael.John.Smith.
I finally thought it was necessary to again tell the addressees at
Cambridge University about the correspondence I had had with Tony
Holland, in an attempt to placate him, but which seems merely to have
provoked him further.
Dear Sirs,
I am sorry to disturb you again
What a stupid letter, these guys already know youre of the planet, and
nobody absolutley nobody gives one shit if I am working for MI5 or
Andrews is an MI5 plant, you really are a fuckwit of you think that
carries any weight at all, Andrews published legitimate research when
he published the Mitrokin archive, if the KGB got a newspaper cutting
wrong about you so fucking what.....who gives ashit that your birthday
is printed wrong....mate, you sold secrets for 20grand, you undermined
the UKs defensive caperbilty, simple as that, accept it and move on,
lying and creating stupid comments like this do you no good.

In fact is is plain to see how you and why you and John contacted me
at the very beginning now and so what you took me in, thats what you
do, thats what youre good at....go of and peddle your crap somewhere
else now, theres agood boy
Simon Pye
2007-02-24 03:21:34 UTC
Permalink
I would like to state that I am not only baffled but also rather peeve
at events developing on this site in a surreal manner. Who on earth i
this Tony Holland (aka Albert, Alex Heney, Andre, Ben, Caesar, Ceasar
Periander, Peter Llewelln, Robert, tony and god knows how many othe
aliases), who between them appear to have contributed 90% of th
content matter of this UK Legal website.

I must be one of the few simpletons who has been reading the ranting
and ramblings of one schizophrenic enjoying ridiculous and abusiv
conversations with his equally unbalanced and nasty alter-egos. I
there anyone else who ever comes to this site who can advise me how
may obtain a dozen or so alter-egos, as I have been also suffering fro
schizophrenia for the past 25 years. I think that my alter-egos, an
HollandÂ’s alter egos could interact more fruitfully than just Ton
talking to his imaginary other selves.

And a thank you from all of us


--
Simon Pye
g***@hotmail.com
2007-02-24 06:30:08 UTC
Permalink
I would like to state that I am not only baffled but also rather peeved
at events developing on this site in a surreal manner. Who on earth is
this Tony Holland (aka Albert, Alex Heney, Andre, Ben, Caesar, Ceasar,
Periander, Peter Llewelln, Robert, tony and god knows how many other
aliases), who between them appear to have contributed 90% of the
content matter of this UK Legal website.
Oh hi Mike, Tony Holland is a super genius, but mild manner Clark Kent
I must be one of the few simpletons
You are Mike, you are
who has been reading the rantings and ramblings of one schizophrenic enjoying ridiculous and abusive
conversations with his equally unbalanced and nasty alter-egos.
I see you know all about schizophrenia, well you would, you were
treated for it in Prison werent you.
I have been also suffering from schizophrenia for the past 25 years.
As long as that
I think that my alter-egos, and Holland's alter egos could interact more fruitfully than just Tony
talking to his imaginary other selves.
Hell no old sport, you have too many loes to hide with too many of
*friends*, or is it alter egos you call them
And a thank you from all of us.
Simon Pye
Gee how many do you really have come on fess up, youre with friends.
KHelliwell
2007-02-24 05:41:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Simon Pye
I would like to state that I am not only baffled but also rather peeve
at events developing on this site in a surreal manner. Who on earth i
this Tony Holland (aka Albert, Alex Heney, Andre, Ben, Caesar, Ceasar
Periander, Peter Llewelln, Robert, tony and god knows how many othe
aliases), who between them appear to have contributed 90% of th
content matter of this UK Legal website.
I must be one of the few simpletons who has been reading the ranting
and ramblings of one schizophrenic enjoying ridiculous and abusiv
conversations with his equally unbalanced and nasty alter-egos. I
there anyone else who ever comes to this site who can advise me how
may obtain a dozen or so alter-egos, as I have been also suffering fro
schizophrenia for the past 25 years. I think that my alter-egos, an
HollandÂ’s alter egos could interact more fruitfully than just Ton
talking to his imaginary other selves.
And a thank you from all of us.
Are you 'for real'


--
KHelliwell
g***@hotmail.com
2007-02-24 08:22:25 UTC
Permalink
Are you 'for real'?
--
KHelliwell- Hide quoted text -
Hi Mike...

Of course youre real, typing using a different name should have been
thought up before now...wow you must be a geniuse to gome up with this
all by yourself...why not get John to lend ahand as well, he can
manage 3 words when hes awake.....but take your medication, staying up
all night is not good for you, and your illness will get worst.
KHelliwell
2007-02-24 14:29:39 UTC
Permalink
wrote:-
Are you 'for real'?
--
KHelliwell- Hide quoted text --
Hi Mike...
Of course youre real, typing using a different name should have been
thought up before now...wow you must be a geniuse to gome up with this
all by yourself...why not get John to lend ahand as well, he can
manage 3 words when hes awake.....but take your medication, staying up
all night is not good for you, and your illness will get worst.
Hello Stumpy

Long time no see? It is time we met up again but you are logged in a
an "Itinerant" resident?

You M.O. is to rent some shack within some slum area on a (for example
6 months contract
give excuses (instead of rent) and then flee the scene (usually in th
middle of the night)

For example you fled from your rented prefab in a Melbourne 'overflow
district on Xmas Eve!

Very clever as the debt collectors and baliffs were at home with thei
kids when you and your latest "Abbo" whore "partner" ran as far away a
you could to again hide in a slum in Perth.

I'm looking for you . . .and you know why


--
KHelliwell
KHelliwell
2007-02-26 16:16:16 UTC
Permalink
Mike
Thank you for sending me a copy of Tony Hollands "Book" I found it ver
hard going and soon threw it into a corner. After some thought I picke
it up again and noted some of his more outlandish claims. I then ha
them 'checked out'
London University have never heard of him in any of the variations o
his names. Double First Class Honours ???? Balderdash, BUT, to be fai
we should invite him to produce some proof.?
Worked for Marconi as a research scientist? Sorry!!! "never heard o
him" (except for some crazed letters recently) BUT, we can invite hi
to produce some proof of his employment.?
Invited to join MI6? reply from MI6 "It all sounds very fantastical t
us . . You can make what you want out of that" BUT, We can invite Ton
to produce at least one scrap of paper to support his claim.?
Ordered to attend one week "unarmed combat" at Farnborough (included
'pistol shooting'??
and then he won the Course 'prize' for his skill in "Bo**ock kickin
("learned as a bully/boy")
THEN he was told that he was "Now Han Horficer in the Harmy" ((Boo
thrown into corner))
MI6 responded with hysterical laughter to this account of thei
training methods BUT, we can ask Tony to produced his 'Commission' O
his 'Date of Commission' OR his 'Officers Warrant Number' OR any othe
evidence at all that he was EVER an Harmy Horficer.? OR "any proof"?
And so it goes on and on Mike for the whole blooming "Book". We ca
challenge him on every page, event and name mentioned . . BUT, Ho
Boring? Obvious why it was never published.?
KH
SCORE Mike's allegations 100% proved right (spot on). Tony'
allegations 100% wrong (b*lls)

Breaking News:- Huge scandal and total collapse of Holland's fantas
world imminent.

Watch this space.

K


--
KHelliwell
Michael John Smith
2007-02-26 21:59:26 UTC
Permalink
SCORE Mike's allegations 100% proved right (spot on). Tony's allegation
100% wrong (b*lls)
Breaking News:- Huge scandal and total collapse of Holland's fantas
world imminent.
Watch this space.
KH
Yes, the madness has certainly been going on for a long time. I se
Tony Holland was attacking people some time ago:

http://tinyurl.com/yrsa24

http://tinyurl.com/349s9j

I have been down to see my Probation Officer this afternoon, and
explained that there is this lunatic in Australia trying to get m
re-arrested and sent back to prison. Luckily they know me as
reasonable guy down there, otherwise the Holland rantings might hav
been seen as potentially dangerous and taken more seriously.

The story now going out through the Probation Service is that Ton
Holland is an MI5 agent sent in to destroy my case at the Crimina
Cases Review Commission. He presents himself as a nutcase to earn th
accolade of being a crazy son-of-a-b*tch, but in reality this is simpl
a disguise to infiltrate legal circles as an MI5 snooper.

Yes, I too am waiting for the imminent collapse of Tony Holland'
fantasy world


--
Michael John Smith
KHelliwell
2007-03-03 11:30:28 UTC
Permalink
I must admit, being a rather fussy man myself, I am not altogether i
agreement with this sort of public slanging match that has develope
over recent days. All I can say is that Holland has shown himself to b
rather an uncouth person in the past, and he seems to enjoy upsettin
the decent members of this forum. He deserves a thorough horse-whippin
in my opinion.
UNCOOF UNCOOF UNCOOF? "YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN"! If he is typica
example of a MI5 Agent (He has shown me his MI5 Identity Card on Skype
. . .ThEN GAWD HELP US ALL


--
KHelliwell
g***@hotmail.com
2007-03-03 23:40:47 UTC
Permalink
UNCOOF UNCOOF UNCOOF? "YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN"! If he is typical
example of a MI5 Agent (He has shown me his MI5 Identity Card on Skype)
. . .ThEN GAWD HELP US ALL.
.
KHelliwell
2007-03-05 11:19:02 UTC
Permalink
Yeah . . GAWD ELP US ALL
Yeah. . Gawd elp 'Gus Gall' (Gol Gus) . . . Nelly se


--
KHelliwell
Michael John Smith
2007-03-06 07:29:15 UTC
Permalink
Is Corpus Christi a Tertiary College? Is that the connection? Is Andre
a Tertius Gaudet?
For example MI5 v MI6? I would not put it past him . . ."How very ver
dare he"!!!
Tony Holland does not want us to say critical things against Professo
Christopher Andrew. It must be because Andrew supports MI5, and MI
don't like to see their "friends" attacked


--
Michael John Smith
KHelliwell
2007-03-06 08:03:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael John Smith
Tony Holland does not want us to say critical things against Professo
Christopher Andrew. It must be because Andrew supports MI5, and MI
don't like to see their "friends" attacked.
MI5 do not want to see wasted, the hundreds of hours they have spen
feeding Andrew their spin on everything that has happened since 1910
Every BA**S-UP covered over and any petty success PUFFED-UP. Andre
will be quite happy with just the 'planted' gutter press stories fro
1910 onwards as his only reference in producing an 'ODE TO MI5' (as h
did for MI6's ODE


--
KHelliwell
KHelliwell
2007-03-08 05:24:40 UTC
Permalink
I have published my open letter to Professor Christopher Andrew on 2 ne
http://www.freewebs.com/secretdirt/lettertoprofandrew.htm
http://secretdirt.bravehost.com/ProfAndrewLetter.html
Hi Mike. Have you heard that the Australian Immgration have picked Ton
Holland up? . . . our pet criminal lunatic!
They are keeping him in a 'rubber room' somewhere! Why is that


--
KHelliwell
KHelliwell
2007-03-08 22:56:42 UTC
Permalink
'olland is the one with the silly little 'at on the top of 'is sill
little 'ead
UPDATE

John Thwaites was seeking re-election and attended a number of garde
parties and fetes at that time. It was not unusual for people to wan
their photgraph taken with him and with an 'eye on their vote' h
always complied. He would not have recalled Holland except for the on
unusual fact! A very strong smell of 'macaronied strides'! A study o
the 'body language' in the photo discloses a 'turning away' (as if t
distance himself) and a faint look of distaste

+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+-------------------------------------------------------------------


--
KHelliwell
Michael John Smith
2007-03-09 00:04:19 UTC
Permalink
It's strange, but John Thwaites has not replied to my email yet
Possibly he has no idea who Tony Holland is? But with the publicit
that is starting to emerge, he should soon be in the picture about wh
I am talking about

+-------------------------------------------------------------------
+-------------------------------------------------------------------


--
Michael John Smith

Loading...