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The Todal
2019-11-18 10:02:56 UTC
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This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt

Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients

Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.

Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.

Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.

In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.

Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
JNugent
2019-11-18 10:19:05 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.  Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
[ ... ]

Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?

Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.

If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
John
2019-11-18 10:36:31 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance.  Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve
insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
JNugent
2019-11-18 11:39:04 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance.  Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-18 12:28:29 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?

Most people pay far more than that for a new car.

https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
The Todal
2019-11-18 12:51:06 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
A family member (going private, no insurance, wanting to avoid a nine
month waiting list) paid around 12k for a new knee and about 15k for a
new hip. Recovery was swift and uneventful. If there had been
complications and he'd had to stay in hospital for weeks, he'd have
either relied on the NHS if they had been willing to pay for that care,
or he'd have spent all his savings.
JNugent
2019-11-18 13:47:43 UTC
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Post by John
Post by JNugent
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an
incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs
A family member (going private, no insurance, wanting to avoid a nine
month waiting list) paid around 12k for a new knee and about 15k for a
new hip. Recovery was swift and uneventful. If there had been
complications and he'd had to stay in hospital for weeks, he'd have
either relied on the NHS if they had been willing to pay for that care,
or he'd have spent all his savings.
You don't need to convince me of the value of the system we operate in
the UK.
GB
2019-11-18 13:52:14 UTC
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Post by The Todal
A family member (going private, no insurance, wanting to avoid a nine
month waiting list) paid around 12k for a new knee and about 15k for a
new hip. Recovery was swift and uneventful. If there had been
complications and he'd had to stay in hospital for weeks, he'd have
either relied on the NHS if they had been willing to pay for that care,
or he'd have spent all his savings.
I have private patient insurance, and I recently had fairly experimental
treatment (PAE) that they paid for without quibbling.
Grikbassturdah®™
2019-11-18 15:13:17 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:52:14 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
A family member (going private, no insurance, wanting to avoid a nine
month waiting list) paid around 12k for a new knee and about 15k for a
new hip. Recovery was swift and uneventful. If there had been
complications and he'd had to stay in hospital for weeks, he'd have
either relied on the NHS if they had been willing to pay for that care,
or he'd have spent all his savings.
I have private patient insurance, and I recently had fairly experimental
treatment (PAE) that they paid for without quibbling.
Have you arksed about euthanasia?
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-18 15:52:17 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 13:52:14 +0000, jewboi GB (jb)
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
A family member (going private, no insurance, wanting to avoid a nine
month waiting list) paid around 12k for a new knee and about 15k for a
new hip. Recovery was swift and uneventful. If there had been
complications and he'd had to stay in hospital for weeks, he'd have
either relied on the NHS if they had been willing to pay for that care,
or he'd have spent all his savings.
It seems that there is a trade-off.

Either pay more for having something now, or wait a little longer in
exchange fior not having to pay more.
Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Post by GB
I have private patient insurance, and I recently had fairly experimental
treatment (PAE) that they paid for without quibbling.
Have you arksed about euthanasia?
Why?


Michael
Peeler
2019-11-18 18:11:22 UTC
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Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Post by GB
I have private patient insurance, and I recently had fairly experimental
treatment (PAE) that they paid for without quibbling.
Have you arksed about euthanasia?
Why? You hope he might be as miserable as you are? VERY unlikely! In fact,
IMPOSSIBLE!
--
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is any "meaningful" debate to lower the age of consent:
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JNugent
2019-11-18 13:45:13 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
That actually sounds quite reasonable, given the training and experience
necessary for the operatives and the capital costs of the facility.

I dare say you could pay it and so could I. But not often in any one
lifetime and my guess is that that applies to both of us and to a lot of
other people. Of course, there are people who'd never be able to afford
it even once.

For all that, I still hear tales of hospital bills (in the USA) of a
quarter of a million (dollars or pounds). I prefer to be insured.
Keema's Nan
2019-11-18 15:03:12 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
That actually sounds quite reasonable, given the training and experience
necessary for the operatives and the capital costs of the facility.
I dare say you could pay it and so could I. But not often in any one
lifetime and my guess is that that applies to both of us and to a lot of
other people. Of course, there are people who'd never be able to afford
it even once.
For all that, I still hear tales of hospital bills (in the USA) of a
quarter of a million (dollars or pounds). I prefer to be insured.
Presumably, the costs of the hospital stay are all on top of that, plus
aftercare treatment.

Many old folks’ care homes in this area start at £1300 a week, and so I
imagine the full board costs of hospitals would be well above that figure.
GB
2019-11-18 15:19:53 UTC
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Presumably, the costs of the hospital stay are all on top of that, plus
aftercare treatment.
Many old folks’ care homes in this area start at £1300 a week, and so I
imagine the full board costs of hospitals would be well above that figure.
Private patient bed in an NHS teaching hospital is around £500 a day.
(IIRC) That includes rather little in the way of treatment.
tim...
2019-11-29 07:38:42 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
That actually sounds quite reasonable, given the training and experience
necessary for the operatives and the capital costs of the facility.
I dare say you could pay it and so could I. But not often in any one
lifetime and my guess is that that applies to both of us and to a lot of
other people. Of course, there are people who'd never be able to afford it
even once.
the sort of person who can't beg, steal or borrow 17,500 for a one-off
operation is the same sort of person who can't afford 1,500 pa for health
insurance

so they don't form part of the sample set here

tim

abelard
2019-11-19 09:46:35 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-disease-trial-finds-medication-and-lifestyle-changes-could-be-just-as-effective-as-surgery/
--
www.abelard.org
Grikbassturdah®™
2019-11-19 13:10:08 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:28:29 +0000, Keema's Nan
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
£17,500?
Most people pay far more than that for a new car.
https://www.privatehealth.co.uk/conditions-and-treatments/heart-bypass-
operation/costs/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-disease-trial-finds-medication-and-lifestyle-changes-could-be-just-as-effective-as-surgery/
Wot? No more deep fried Mars bars?
Peeler
2019-11-19 14:21:29 UTC
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Post by abelard
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-disease-trial-finds-medication-and-lifestyle-changes-could-be-just-as-effective-as-surgery/
Wot? No more deep fried Mars bars?
You might also consider giving up eating your pieces of turd in your fridge,
dreckserb!
--
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"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
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Michael Ejercito
2019-11-23 19:25:59 UTC
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On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 05:10:08 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grikbassturdah®™", farted
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heart-disease-trial-finds-medication-and-lifestyle->>>changes-could-be-just-as-effective-as-surgery/
Wot? No more deep fried Mars bars?
You might also consider giving up eating your pieces of turd in your fridge,
dreckserb!
That is very good advice for the mangina.

Now here is Judith Bergman writing about gang violence in Denmark.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15037/denmark-shootings-gang-violence


Denmark: Shootings, Car Torchings, Gang Violence
by Judith Bergman
November 19, 2019 at 4:00 am

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"These numbers underline, first of all, that we are talking about a problem
that has to do with ethnicity. The argument that this has nothing to do with
foreigners has to be taken off the table." — Trine Bramsen, legal affairs
spokesperson for the Social Democrats, in Berlingske Tidende, August 24,
2017.

"In addition to a common fondness for crime, the culture of immigrant gangs
is a cocktail of religion, clan affiliation, honor, shame and brotherhood...
The harder and the more brutal [you are], the stronger you are, and then you
create awareness of yourself and attract more [people]". — Naser Khader,
member of the Danish Parliament for the Conservative Party and co-founder of
the Muslim reform movement, in a blog, "Immigrant gangs are also culture and
religion" in Jyllands-Posten, November 2018.

"[T]he price for the failed integration [of immigrants] is [paid] by those
with the least resources. It is the schools and neighborhoods of the working
classes that are destroyed...." — Niels Jespersen, op-ed in Berlingske
Tidende, October 1, 2019.

People with the means to move, such as Lunøe, will take their children and
run to safer areas. What will happen to the many that are unable to do so
and have no choice but to stay in the crosshairs of the shootings, the
knives and the car-torchings?


The US embassy in Denmark recently advised that due to "an increase in gun
violence in the areas of Nørrebro, Ishøj, and Hundige", people in the areas
should "keep a low profile", "do not physically resist any robbery attempt"
and "use caution when walking or driving at night". Pictured: The Metro
station in Copenhagen's Nørrebro neighborhood. (Image source:
Arc1977/Wikimedia Commons)

On September 24, the US embassy in Denmark published a security alert. It
warned US citizens in Copenhagen that:

"The Danish National Police urge individuals living in or visiting the areas
of Nørrebro, Ishøj, and Hundige to exercise heightened awareness at all
times due to a recent increase in gun violence. Copenhagen Police have
instituted a stop-and-search zone in a large area covering Nørrebro. The
ordinance – which will run through September 30 – allows police officers to
stop and search anyone within the area without cause".

The alert also encouraged US citizens to "keep a low profile", "do not
physically resist any robbery attempt" and "use caution when walking or
driving at night".

Police in Copenhagen eventually decided to extend the stop and search
ordinance in parts of Copenhagen until October 14.

The police have confirmed that the numerous shootings, one of them lethal,
are connected to rivalries between two criminal gangs, "Brothas" and "NNV".
The situation is beginning to resemble that of Sweden, where shootings and
bombings have become commonplace. In late August, in Denmark, a residential
building in Greve, a suburb of Copenhagen, was targeted. A bomb with the
approximate explosive force of a hand grenade was detonated at the entrance
to the building. In June, also in Greve, a man was shot; and in April,
several cars were blown up.

In 2017, when shootings in Copenhagen grew more frequent as the conflict
intensified between the two gangs, "Brothas" and "Loyal to Familia" (the
latter has since been prohibited by Danish authorities), statistics
published by the daily Berlingske Tidende showed that 30% of the gang
members involved had foreign passports.

"These numbers underline, first of all, that we are talking about a problem
that has to do with ethnicity. The argument that this has nothing to do with
foreigners has to be taken off the table," said the legal affairs
spokesperson for the Social Democrats, Trine Bramsen, at the time.

"In addition to a common fondness for crime, the culture of immigrant gangs
is a cocktail of religion, clan affiliation, honor, shame and brotherhood,"
wrote Danish Conservative Party MP Naser Khader, who is also a co-founder of
the Muslim reform movement .

"They also distinguish themselves from the rockers [predominantly ethnically
Danish biker gangs, Ed.] by an incredibly strong cruelty. The harder and the
more brutal [you are], the stronger you are, and then you create awareness
of yourself and attract more [people]".

The flare-up in gang violence has also led to what appears to be a new trend
in Denmark: Carjackings at gunpoint. The Danish police confirm that there
have been at least three armed carjackings in the conflict between the
Brothas and NNV gangs. In one incident, two people were threatened with guns
to get out of their cars and leave them.

As in Sweden, car-torchings have also become commonplace. In the first nine
months of 2019, according to the Danish police, there were 648 car
torchings, the highest number in the past four years.

Nørrebro, where 17.6 % of the inhabitants were non-Western immigrants and
their descendants in 2018, has some of the most serious problems, and is
where many of the criminal gangs originate. In July 2019, Mathilde Graversen
of the daily Berlingske Tidende visited a small neighborhood in the area,
where, according to locals with whom she spoke, just 20-25 local boys and
young men of ethnic minority background, between the ages of 12 and 20, are
causing all the problems. Describing the measures some residents take for
personal security, she wrote:

"It has become a habit to use the back door instead of the front door [to
their apartment building]. They pass a fence into the garden... and go
through the basement up to their apartment. In this way, they avoid having
to pass a group of boys and young men, who often hang out in front of the
building. Other residents periodically give up using their bedroom. They
blow up an air mattress every night and sleep in the living room because the
group of boys and young men listen to loud music, shout and occasionally
knock on the windows to the [residents'] bedrooms at night. Others say that
they have friends who dare not visit them in the evening".

In September, Christian Lunøe, who lives with his children in Nørrebro,
wrote an op-ed in Berlingske Tidende, in which he described his intention to
move away from there.

"Last Sunday it became so dangerous at my house that I can no longer defend
living [in Nørrebro] with my children," Lunøe wrote. He added that he had
been out for an evening walk with his children when they encountered a group
of boys and young men "with an aggressive and confrontational attitude".
When he and his children passed the group on the street, the group "explodes
in a... brawl, with two out of the five pulling a knife".

Lunøe described how there has been, "a spread of gang crime and associated
groups of admirers, right down to the age of ten. Children who are left to
the street and themselves. Young people with knives and threatening
behavior". When he called the police, they told him, "We know it's bad out
there, but we have no patrol cars to send."

"It is clear," Lunøe wrote, "that young criminals must be punished and
weapons removed from the streets, and it is clear that there can be no
denying that in my street, boys and young men with ethnic minority
backgrounds make up 100 % of both the gangs and their aspirants..."

Lunøe is not the first person wanting to move away from Nørrebro because of
the problems there. After his op-ed, the historian and columnist Niels
Jespersen wrote, "I also left Nørrebro, because I couldn't stand the gangs".
More importantly, Jespersen asked in his op-ed, "how many Danes, who do not
have... access to [write] an op-ed in Berlingske, not to mention the
resources to move away, have been exposed to the same things [as Lunøe] over
the decades?"

"[T]he price for the failed integration [of immigrants] is [paid] by those
with the least resources. It is the schools and neighborhoods of the working
classes that are destroyed, while it is rare that the well-educated and
progressive middle classes meet other immigrants than those who are equally
well-educated and progressive".

People with the means to move, such as Lunøe, will take their children and
run to safer areas. What will happen to the many people who are unable to do
so and have no choice but to stay in the crosshairs of the shootings, the
knives and the car-torchings?

Judith Bergman, a columnist, lawyer and political analyst, is a
Distinguished Senior Fellow at Gatestone Institute.
Peeler
2019-11-23 20:49:30 UTC
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Post by Peeler
Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Wot? No more deep fried Mars bars?
You might also consider giving up eating your pieces of turd in your fridge,
dreckserb!
That is very good advice for the mangina.
Indeed!
Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
2019-11-25 12:38:31 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 11:25:59 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!
Post by Michael Ejercito
That is very good advice for the mangina.
Here is some very good advice for you, mong...take the next Manila
bound banana boat before the ICE polis catches you and deports you!
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Judith Bergman writing about gang violence in Denmark.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities circumcised jew cunt
jewdith has plagiarised about gangs, mong?

Cheers!

RJ (preferred jew aliash)
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$***@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$***@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$***@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$***@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$***@gioia.aioe.org>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$***@usenetxs.com>

Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
2019-11-25 13:00:13 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:38:31 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Professeur de merde, Debwhorah
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Peeler
You might also consider giving up eating your pieces of turd in your fridge,
dreckserb!
That is very good advice for the mangina.
Here is some very good advice for you, mong...take the next Manila
bound banana boat before the ICE polis catches you and deports you!
Here some REALISTIC advice for YOU, psychopath: apply for yet another
prolonged stay in the loony bin! It's OVERDUE!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Judith Bergman writing about gang violence in Denmark.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities circumcised jew cunt
jewdith has plagiarised about gangs, mong?
INTELLIGENT people appreciate that smart and hot lady's smart, original
comments, retarded serb peasant!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Cheers!
BTW, "cheers"??? Is that what you say when you are about to swallow nazi
jizz, you housebound cocksucking wanker? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$***@usenetxs.com>
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-25 15:07:40 UTC
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Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 11:25:59 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]
Watch, it geezer!
We also watch classy young ladies.

http://redbust.com/cute-teen-redhead/
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
That is very good advice for the mangina.
Here is some very good advice for you, mong...take the next Manila
bound banana boat before the ICE polis catches you and deports you!
ICE has no reason to deport me.
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Judith Bergman writing about gang violence in Denmark.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities circumcised jew cunt
jewdith has plagiarised about gangs, mong?
Nithing, no matter how many times you call her a cunt, you have NO
chance with her!


Michael
Peeler
2019-11-25 18:07:47 UTC
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Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Here is some very good advice for you, mong...take the next Manila
bound banana boat before the ICE polis catches you and deports you!
ICE has no reason to deport me.
In her feeble and clinically insane mind, yes! ROTFLOL
Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
2019-11-26 12:16:26 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:07:40 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
That is very good advice for the mangina.
Here is some very good advice for you, mong...take the next Manila
bound banana boat before the ICE polis catches you and deports you!
ICE has no reason to deport me.
ICE got, EVERY reason to deport an illegal immigrant Flip like you.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Judith Bergman writing about gang violence in Denmark.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities circumcised jew cunt
jewdith has plagiarised about gangs, mong?
Nithing, no matter how many times you call her a cunt, you have NO
chance with her!
Needledick, no matter how many times you repost her inane plagiarised
articles, you got, NO chance of zsuckling her fat jew rectum!
Post by Michael Ejercito
Michael
Cheers!

RJ (preferred jew aliash)
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$***@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$***@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$***@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$***@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$***@gioia.aioe.org>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$***@usenetxs.com>

Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
2019-11-26 12:38:49 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:16:26 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Professeur de merde, Debwhorah
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
ICE has no reason to deport me.
ICE got, EVERY reason to deport an illegal immigrant Flip like you.
Ridiculous psychotic NONSENSE! LOL Get treatment, you clinically insane
psychopathic retard!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Nithing, no matter how many times you call her a cunt, you have NO
chance with her!
Needledick, no matter how many times you repost her inane plagiarised
articles, you got, NO chance of zsuckling her fat jew rectum!
Dreckserb, no matter what you post, you ALWAYS reveal that you ARE a
miserable sexual cripple!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Michael
Cheers!
BTW, "cheers"??? Is that what you say when you are about to swallow nazi
jizz, you housebound cocksucking wanker? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$***@usenetxs.com>
The Jews
2019-11-28 11:19:10 UTC
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A fan of Charles Manson and follower of Hitler, James Mason published
essays in the 1980s that now act as the inspiration for a militant
neo-Nazi group linked to multiple murders in the U.S.

“Revolutionary discipline must mean that WE will be the single
survivor in a war against the System,” Mason wrote in 1985. “A TOTAL
WAR against the System.”

But nowadays, Mason isn’t waging war with the system. He is, in fact,
dependent on it.

The 67-year-old white supremacist lives in a government subsidized
apartment in Denver and eats at soup kitchens.

One of Mason's neighbors said she wondered about all of the men
heading up to his apartment.

"At first when he had young men coming up there, I thought maybe he
was a pervert, to be honest with you," said the 64-year-old neighbor,
who spoke on condition of anonymity.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/influential-neo-nazi-eats-soup-kitchens-lives-government-housing-n1091681?cid=referral_taboolafeed

 


"Why do I keep getting scammed by Jews? Is it because they're so smart, or because I'm so stupid?"
-Gordon Radovich 2018

2019 Score Card for Gordon Radovich

# of Jews holocausted to date - 0
# of subhumans deported to date - 0
# of people Gordon has "kicked off" of Usenet - 0
# of times Gordon has been humiliated on Usenet - [infinity]
# of years Gordon has hid from Barry - 12
# of years Gordon has hid from Chris Morton - 16+

"Straight? ME????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
-Gordon Radovich, Wed, 17 Jan 2018

"HUH ? O, shitscared of being, traced and 'holocausted'®™ that he set, up an untraceable Gmail account JUST, to email me!
"null.net account traceable ?
-Gordon, inanely babbling about a gmail account which he claimed he never got an email from, but somehow he knows about."
Gordon, How did YOUR brain get so rattled?
"To/too/two (pick one) much sodomy and/or cocksucking!"
-Gordon Radovich
R. Mark Clayton
2019-11-18 17:56:25 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
Post by JNugent
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance.  Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-
on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
Good luck paying for your heart surgery.
Or if your new car gets written off or stolen...
pamela
2019-11-18 13:09:22 UTC
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Post by John
Post by The Todal
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance.  Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-
consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Incidentally, IKWYM, but my own experience is that even liberal America
is split on this. I know Obama supporters who had a "thing" about
socialised medical services and were understandably aghast at Obama's
"solution" which involved their *still* paying through the nose for
cover for themselves (as before) but also having to share part of the
cost of treatment for others on top of that. No-one had an incentive to
discontinue their own insurance and that was a major flaw in Obamacare.
If Obama had had more imagination and courage, enough to envisage a
Beveridge-style system...
All insurance is a ripoff, it is cheaper to cover replacement costs
yourself in most instances.
The main purpose of insurance is to spread risk.
Jethro_uk
2019-11-18 12:22:46 UTC
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Post by JNugent
[quoted text muted]
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve
insurance?
Unless I missed something, the cites were UK cases ...
JNugent
2019-11-18 13:41:23 UTC
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Post by JNugent
[quoted text muted]
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Unless I missed something, the cites were UK cases ...
Money talks the same language all over the world.
Grikbassturdah®™
2019-11-18 18:51:25 UTC
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Post by Jethro_uk
Post by JNugent
[quoted text muted]
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Unless I missed something, the cites were UK cases ...
Money talks the same language all over the world.
Some of the Democratic candidates in the Great Satan's 'presidential'
election are proposing a 'Medicare for all' single-payer healthcare
system and abolishing private and employer-paid health insurance.

Not only are they reluctant to say exactly where the trillions of
wonga such a system requires are coming from, but they fail to mention
the inevitable rationing that such a system entails.
Peeler
2019-11-18 19:57:27 UTC
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On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:51:25 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grikbassturdah®™", farted
Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Post by JNugent
Money talks the same language all over the world.
Some of the Democratic candidates in the Great Satan's 'presidential'
election are proposing a 'Medicare for all' single-payer healthcare
system and abolishing private and employer-paid health insurance.
Not only are they reluctant to say exactly where the trillions of
wonga such a system requires are coming from, but they fail to mention
the inevitable rationing that such a system entails.
So, can you or can't you afford your medication, you clinically insane
shithead? It seems you can't! That would explain a lot about your mental
state!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$***@usenetxs.com>
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-22 16:35:36 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:51:25 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Grikbassturdah®™", farted
Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Post by JNugent
Money talks the same language all over the world.
Some of the Democratic candidates in the Great Satan's 'presidential'
election are proposing a 'Medicare for all' single-payer healthcare
system and abolishing private and employer-paid health insurance.
Not only are they reluctant to say exactly where the trillions of
wonga such a system requires are coming from, but they fail to mention
the inevitable rationing that such a system entails.
So, can you or can't you afford your medication, you clinically insane
shithead? It seems you can't! That would explain a lot about your mental
state!
No doubt about it.

The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.

Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-prohibitionists-solutions-wont-make-a-difference-and-theyre-just-fine-with-that/

Gun Prohibitionists’ ‘Solutions’ Won’t Make a Difference…And They’re Just
Fine With That
BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |NOV 18, 2019 |0 COMMENTS
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Same feces, different day. After the school shooting in Santa Clarita, all
the same eminences of the civilian disarmament industry spouted all of the
same outrage at the lack of common sense “gun safety” measures.

All of the same voices were raised touting all of the same actions that
simply must be taken as a moral imperative to DO SOMETHING.

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Never mind that not a single one of the gun prohibitionists’ prescriptions
would have done a single thing to stop the Saugus High School shooter or to
prevent virtually any other mass shooting that’s taken place.

But in a time of historically low “gun violence” in this country — there
really isn’t an epidemic as the Democrats and the media would have you
believe — portraying the problem as more dire than it is is really their
only option.

It’s illegal for a teen to walk around with a handgun anywhere in the United
States. It’s illegal for a California teen to go to Alabama or Arizona or
Virginia to buy a gun. It’s illegal for any teen to purchase a gun through
the mail or at a gun show or be gifted one from his dear uncle. It is
illegal for parents to allow their kids to procure their firearms. No state
or federal regulation now being championed by Senate Democrats would have
stopped this teen, which is the case for the vast majority of mass
shootings.

Murphy knows this. Kamala Harris and all the others leading Democrats who
try to emotionally manipulate Americans to support their restrictions know
this. All those who smear the NRA as a terrorist organization know this. All
those who claim that Mitch McConnell has blood on his hands for failing to
convene the Senate [to] pass a Democratic bill that has absolutely nothing
remotely to do with the Santa Clarita shooting know this.

– David Harsanyi in Nothing Democrats Are Proposing in Washington Will Stop
Mass Shootings in California
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2019-11-23 13:40:12 UTC
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:35:36 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]

Watch, it geezer!
Post by Michael Ejercito
No doubt about it.
Inane.
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?

Cheers!

RJ (preferred jew aliash)
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$***@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$***@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$***@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$***@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$***@gioia.aioe.org>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$***@usenetxs.com>

Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
2019-11-23 15:49:29 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 05:40:12 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Peeler
So, can you or can't you afford your medication, you clinically insane
shithead? It seems you can't! That would explain a lot about your mental
state!
No doubt about it.
Inane.
...projects the grand-master of inane "contributions", pedophilic serb
psychopath Razovic herself, Usenet's "famous" sexual cripple! LOL
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
Nope, your master is NOT like you, you projecting perverted dreckserb!
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?
INTELLIGENT people appreciate that smart guy's intelligent and original
articles, Retardovic!
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Cheers!
BTW, "cheers"??? Is that what you say when you are about to swallow nazi
jizz, you housebound cocksucking wanker? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
youngsters 'mature'."
MID: <gKNUE.1374684$***@usenetxs.com>
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-23 17:38:22 UTC
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"jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:35:36 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
[FLUHS Grik skata]...and better air in here again! [sic][SIC!!! LOL]
Watch, it geezer!
We also watch classy young ladies.

http://redbust.com/cute-teen-redhead/
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
No doubt about it.
Inane.
Nothing inane about it.
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
You are so obsessed with ani.
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?
Nithing, Dan Zimmerman being Jewish would be beside the point.

Here is my comment.


http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-prohibitionists-solutions-wont-make-a-difference-and-theyre-just-fine-with-that/#comment-4379039

It has well-been established that they dfo not want solutions.

Remember back in 2012 when some gangbanger killed a bunch of kids at a
school in Connecticut?

http://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-gun-control-debate-ignores-black-lives

Many people viewed inner-city shootings as an intractable problem. But for
two years, McBride had been spreading awareness about Ceasefire, a nearly
two-decades-old strategy that had upended how police departments dealt with
gang violence. Under Ceasefire, police teamed up with community leaders to
identify the young men most at risk of shooting someone or being shot,
talked to them directly about the risks they faced, offered them support,
and promised a tough crackdown on the groups that continued shooting. In
Boston, the city that developed Ceasefire, the average monthly number of
youth homicides dropped by 63 percent in the two years after it was
launched. The U.S. Department of Justice’s “what works” website for crime
policy had a green check mark next to Ceasefire, labeling it “effective” —
the highest rating and one few programs received.

Avoiding that fact has consequences. Twenty years of government-funded
research has shown there are several promising strategies to prevent murders
of black men, including Ceasefire. They don’t require passing new gun laws,
or an epic fight with the National Rifle Association. What they need — and
often struggle to get — is political support and a bit of money.

Later, other ministers who worked with McBride would get an even blunter
assessment from a White House staffer: There was no political will in the
country to address inner-city violence.

This was total bullshit. In the wake of that shooting in Connecticut,
Operation Ceasefire would have been an easy sell.
Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
2019-11-25 12:39:01 UTC
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On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:38:22 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
No doubt about it.
Inane.
Nothing inane about it.
It's liike TOTALLY inane!
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
You are so obsessed with ani.
You are SOOOOOOOO into zsuckling jew ani.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?
Nithing, Dan Zimmerman being Jewish would be beside the point.
Needledick, Zimmerman being jewish would be PRECISELY the point.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is my comment.
Greek your inane plagiarised comment and greek you, you gormless slant
eyed mongoloid.

Cheers!

RJ (preferred jew aliash)
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$***@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$***@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$***@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$***@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$***@gioia.aioe.org>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$***@usenetxs.com>

Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
2019-11-25 13:02:33 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:39:01 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Professeur de merde, Debwhorah
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Nothing inane about it.
It's liike TOTALLY inane!
There is NOTHING inane about the truth! There is EVERYTHING inane about YOU,
Professeur de merde! <VBG>
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
You are so obsessed with ani.
You are SOOOOOOOO into zsuckling jew ani.
You are SOOOOOOOO projecting, you typical psychopath!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Nithing, Dan Zimmerman being Jewish would be beside the point.
Needledick, Zimmerman being jewish would be PRECISELY the point.
ONLY in an idiot's "mind"!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is my comment.
Greek your inane plagiarised comment and greek you, you gormless slant
eyed mongoloid.
Instead, your OWN life (if one can call that spastic thing you are suffering
from a "life" at all) keeps "greeking" YOU ...and obviously VERY hard
...EVERY day!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Cheers!
BTW, "cheers"??? Is that what you say when you are about to swallow nazi
jizz, you housebound cocksucking wanker? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"That [referring to the term "consenting adults"] is just an outdated legal
construct. Are you telling me that a 13-year old who spends 15 hours a day
on Facebook is incapable of consent?"
MID: <Og0VE.1298131$***@usenetxs.com>
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-25 14:37:38 UTC
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Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:38:22 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
No doubt about it.
Inane.
Nothing inane about it.
It's liike TOTALLY inane!
Wrong.
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
You are so obsessed with ani.
You are SOOOOOOOO into zsuckling jew ani.
Wrong.
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?
Nithing, Dan Zimmerman being Jewish would be beside the point.
Needledick, Zimmerman being jewish would be PRECISELY the point.
You have yet to explain why or how.
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is my comment.
Greek your inane plagiarised comment and greek you, you gormless slant
eyed mongoloid.
You could never handle my comments.

Here is another comment from me.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-prohibitionists-solutions-wont-make-a-difference-and-theyre-just-fine-with-that/#comment-4379076

I have dealt with the dishonesty and invincible ignorance of the anti-gun
cult for twenty years, and I believe Chris has done so for even longer.
Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
2019-11-26 12:15:54 UTC
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On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:37:38 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:38:22 -0800, "NOT Michael Ejercito"
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
No doubt about it.
Inane.
Nothing inane about it.
It's liike TOTALLY inane!
Wrong.
Not!
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
The mangina just keeps clinging to Judenhass.
Your slimy gook tongue just keeps clinging to jew ani.
You are so obsessed with ani.
You are SOOOOOOOO into zsuckling jew ani.
Wrong.
NOT!
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Michael Ejercito
Now here is Dan Zimmerman writing about how gun p[rohibitionists'
solutions do not wortk- and they are fine with that.
Now who gives two jew shits what inanities some jew asshole
plagiarised about p[rohibition, mong?
Nithing, Dan Zimmerman being Jewish would be beside the point.
Needledick, Zimmerman being jewish would be PRECISELY the point.
You have yet to explain why or how.
WE are the ones who demand explanations and GET them, asshole.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is my comment.
Greek your inane plagiarised comment and greek you, you gormless slant
eyed mongoloid.
You could never handle my comments.
Your inane plagiarised comments never justified handling.
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is another comment from me.
Greek that one too, then, you gormless slant eyed mongoloid.

Cheers!

RJ (preferred jew aliash)
--
The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus admits he got
no life AT ALL outside stalking on THE Usenet!
"Frankly, if he were gone, I wouldn't know what to do here."
Message-ID: <FCOQt.107901$***@fx13.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus, defending his fellow
Grik sodomite the Grikboxer® and under the delusion that he's
been able to grow a pair: "You'd have to get past me first,"
Message-ID: <LOOQt.337647$***@fx08.fr7>

Yet more proof that the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
thinks he got a pair: "Just to let you know: ANYONE who "befriends"
the subnormal swine will have to deal with me! Get ready, bitch!"
Message-ID: <FHg6t.166438$***@newsfe07.iad>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus STILL seems to think
he got a pair: "Which will NEVER happen! You'd have to get past
me first, poor psycho! LOL"
Message-ID: <MCSIu.1$***@fx32.fr7>

The Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus having still MORE delusions
about growing a pair: "If ANYONE dared to grab me by the neck
like that he'd get my fist in his face."
Message-ID: <qeilfu$iog$***@gioia.aioe.org>

In spite of all the evidence, the Illiterate Foreskin Peeling Grik anus
STILL has delusions about growing a pair!
"What kind of other-worldly pussies (men?) are you all? If someone
would dare to grab me by the back of my neck like that and push me
around, my instinctive, AUTOMATIC reaction would be to knock him in
the face! NOBODY is allowed to do that to ANYONE!"
Message-ID: <qfnPE.73303$***@usenetxs.com>

Best of all! From the Foreskin Peeler's doctoral dissertation in divinity,
'University' of Salonica (1992): "The jew g-d is your g-d's dad."
Peeler
2019-11-26 12:41:29 UTC
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On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:15:54 -0800, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
sexual cripple, making an ass of herself as "Professeur de merde, Debwhorah
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Wrong.
Not!
Slave, if your master Michael says WRONG, it means WRONG! Capisci, our
slave?
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Wrong.
NOT!
Slave, if your master Michael says WRONG, it means WRONG! Capisci,
dreckserb?
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
You have yet to explain why or how.
WE are the ones who demand explanations and GET them, asshole.
No, you don't! YOU only get your bleeding psychopathic ass clobbered here
and your stupid serbian gob filled with the shit people enjoy dumping in
it, you poor psychopathic shiteating serbian asshole.

And now open your big filthy serbian gob WIDE...
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
You could never handle my comments.
Your inane plagiarised comments never justified handling.
IOW, you ADMIT that you never could handle your master's comments,
dreckserb!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Post by Michael Ejercito
Here is another comment from me.
Greek that one too, then, you gormless slant eyed mongoloid.
Instead, your OWN life (if one can call that spastic thing you are suffering
from a "life" at all) keeps "greeking" YOU ...and obviously VERY hard
...EVERY day!
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Cheers!
BTW, "cheers"??? Is that what you say when you are about to swallow nazi
jizz, you housebound cocksucking wanker? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"There will always be progressives such as Harriet Harperson who want to
take that extra step forward. Paedophiles are still a long way from
being widely accepted."
MID: <rlMUE.676067$***@usenetxs.com>
The Jews
2019-11-28 20:14:08 UTC
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Gonadal dysgenesis suffering fake wannabe Nazi Gordon Radovich
[***@tiscali.co.uk], the anally-obsessed, unemployable, impotent,
glue-huffing, passportless, rope-dodging, pedophilic,
bestiality-practicing Serbian coprophiliac Queen Mary Parking Lot
black cock worshipper, who for some reason posts pretending to be
Jewish, hated by Hitler and proven by White Nationalist Scholars to be
inferior to Asian peoples, tried to cover up his abject fear of the
fascist-slapping, Nazi-tormenting, totalitarian-taunting, superior
Jews that torture him daily, and reveal his complete and total
ignorance, and expose his countless excuses to avoid getting
Nuremberged®, by taking time out of his busy schedule of felching his
mother for spending money and then masturbating to kiddie porn (while
he desperately hides from Barry for over 11 years even though he has
his address!) to lie when he pathetically copied a superior being's
words and changed them around a bit to make it look like he was
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
WE are the ones who demand explanations and GET them, asshole.
LOL

When has THAT happened except in your glue-soak imagination, Gordon?

ROFLMJAO





"Why do I keep getting scammed by Jews? Is it because they're so smart, or because I'm so stupid?"
-Gordon Radovich 2018

2019 Score Card for Gordon Radovich

# of Jews holocausted to date - 0
# of subhumans deported to date - 0
# of people Gordon has "kicked off" of Usenet - 0
# of times Gordon has been humiliated on Usenet - [infinity]
# of years Gordon has hid from Barry - 12
# of years Gordon has hid from Chris Morton - 16+

"Straight? ME????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"
-Gordon Radovich, Wed, 17 Jan 2018

"HUH ? O, shitscared of being, traced and 'holocausted'®™ that he set, up an untraceable Gmail account JUST, to email me!
"null.net account traceable ?
-Gordon, inanely babbling about a gmail account which he claimed he never got an email from, but somehow he knows about."
Post by Professeur de merde, Debwhorah Sharavi
Gordon, How did YOUR brain get so rattled?
"To/too/two (pick one) much sodomy and/or cocksucking!"
-Gordon Radovich
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-19 18:40:34 UTC
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Post by Grikbassturdah®™
Post by JNugent
Post by Jethro_uk
Post by JNugent
[ ... ]
Short of simply not going there, can you suggest a way of obtaining
adequate medical cover (whether for chronic or acute illness, or
accidental injury) for visits to the USA which doesn't involve insurance?
Unless I missed something, the cites were UK cases ...
Money talks the same language all over the world.
Some of the Democratic candidates in the Great Satan's 'presidential'
election are proposing a 'Medicare for all' single-payer healthcare
system and abolishing private and employer-paid health insurance.
Not only are they reluctant to say exactly where the trillions of
wonga such a system requires are coming from, but they fail to mention
the inevitable rationing that such a system entails.
Indeed.

Jack Marshall wrote about this.

http://ethicsalarms.com/2017/06/20/california-ethics/

1. Forging ahead with single payer, and reality be damned.
The Sacramento Bee pointed out that by replacing current state-run health
programs with a single-payer system, the state would still need to come up
with an additional $200 billion annually.This year’s state budget in
California is about $180 billion. Yes, implementing a single-payer health
care system would require doubling California’s current tax burden.

Oh, never mind! The state Senate voted 23 to 14 this month in favor of SB
562, a single-payer proposal that would guarantee universal health care to
all Californians. “What we did today was really approve the concept of a
single-payer system in California,” declared state Senator Ricardo Lara
following the vote.

No, what they did was reaffirm the fact that progressive cant refuses to
yield in the face of cold, hard facts, math, reason and common sense. The
cheerleading from the Left is mind-numbing. Writes the Nation: “If health
care is a right—and it is—the only honest response to the current crisis is
the single-payer “Medicare for All” reform that would bring the United
States in line with humane and responsible countries worldwide.”

Well, let’s see: health care is NOT a right except in Left-Wing Fantasyland,
and all of those “humane and responsible countries” have crushing tax
burdens, reduced liberty, economic instability, crushing debt and completely
different values, priorities and responsibilities than those of the United
States.

Ethics is only ethical when it is practical and practicable in the real
world. The ethical response to the fact that single-payer doubles the state
budget is to say, “Oh. Well, obviously we can’t do that, then. On to plan
B.”
Keema's Nan
2019-11-18 12:07:10 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-
treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Like most insurance policies, the medical ones seem to be keen to take the
premiums but not so keen to pay out any money - except to bosses and
shareholders.
Incubus
2019-11-18 12:25:52 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-
treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Like most insurance policies, the medical ones seem to be keen to take the
premiums but not so keen to pay out any money - except to bosses and
shareholders.
You can always have a Co-operative Funeral when the Co-operative insurer
decides not to co-operate with the consultant. "From the cradle to the
grave"...
The Todal
2019-11-18 12:39:59 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-
treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Like most insurance policies, the medical ones seem to be keen to take the
premiums but not so keen to pay out any money - except to bosses and
shareholders.
It's likely that the claims staff are incentivised to find ways of
repudiating claims, and rewarded whenever they do so. Proposed surgery
is "experimental" rather than mainstream. Or unnecessary. Or can be done
by a cheaper, less experienced surgeon. Or there is failure to disclose
some previous medical condition - perhaps some diagnostic test years ago
that gave the all clear anyway.

In America it means selling your house and moving in with your kids, in
order to pay the medical bills.
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-18 15:49:48 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-
treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Like most insurance policies, the medical ones seem to be keen to take the
premiums but not so keen to pay out any money - except to bosses and
shareholders.
It's likely that the claims staff are incentivised to find ways of
repudiating claims, and rewarded whenever they do so. Proposed surgery is
"experimental" rather than mainstream. Or unnecessary. Or can be done by a
cheaper, less experienced surgeon. Or there is failure to disclose some
previous medical condition - perhaps some diagnostic test years ago that
gave the all clear anyway.
In America it means selling your house and moving in with your kids, in
order to pay the medical bills.
In other words, it is almost as bad as Alfiecare.


Michael
pamela
2019-11-18 13:20:24 UTC
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This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-
consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants' decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants' decisions that have been
overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
I'm interested in following this up but the article is behind a paywall.
Does it give a link or a specific reference to a particular ombudsman's
report?

The Financial Ombudsman's own web site gives little information...

https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications
Yellow
2019-11-18 15:33:08 UTC
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This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Post by The Todal
Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants? decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants? decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Michael Ejercito
2019-11-18 15:42:27 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Like Alfie Evans?

Insurance companies are not to blame. After all, think about it. People
do not use auto insurance to pay for oil changes or brake replacements. What
drives health care prices is the greed of service providers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/02/23/steven-brills-26000-word-health-care-story-in-one-sentence/

One hospital, according to Brill’s math, bills $1,200 per hour for one nurse’s
services.
JNugent
2019-11-18 15:53:25 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Well actually, foreign visitors and sojourners are *supposed* to exactly
that.

It's the National Health Service, not the International Health Service.
Post by Yellow
Post by The Todal
Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's documentary
about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants? decisions on treatment.
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants? decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure. The
policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Yellow
2019-11-18 19:28:14 UTC
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Post by Yellow
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Well actually, foreign visitors and sojourners are *supposed* to exactly
that.
For the avoidance of doubt I was (clearly not as obviously as I had
believed) referring to UK residents.
JNugent
2019-11-18 20:17:59 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Yellow
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Well actually, foreign visitors and sojourners are *supposed* to exactly
that.
For the avoidance of doubt I was (clearly not as obviously as I had
believed) referring to UK residents.
Yes, but if only we could rely on the rules being properly enforced by
the staff whose job includes that, the NHS would have more resources
even without taxes being increased.
Yellow
2019-11-18 23:49:25 UTC
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Post by Yellow
Post by JNugent
Post by Yellow
Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely on
private medical insurance.
No one needs to rely on medical insurance in the UK - thank god!
Well actually, foreign visitors and sojourners are *supposed* to exactly
that.
For the avoidance of doubt I was (clearly not as obviously as I had
believed) referring to UK residents.
Yes, but if only we could rely on the rules being properly enforced by
the staff whose job includes that, the NHS would have more resources
even without taxes being increased.
True.
The Marquis Saint Evremonde
2019-11-18 17:56:02 UTC
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Post by The Todal
This sort of thing happens on a daily basis in the USA, and we can
expect more of it in the UK as more people are foolish enough to rely
on private medical insurance. Watch "Sicko", Michael Moore's
documentary about US medical care.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/insurers-overrule-consultants-on
-best-treatment-for-patients-5g0tdmdvt
Insurers overrule consultants on best treatment for patients
Patients are being left in pain and having operations delayed or denied
because insurers are overruling consultants’ decisions on treatment.
That happens in the NHS.
Post by The Todal
Policyholders with breast cancer, heart conditions, arthritis and knee
problems are among those who have been unfairly denied procedures, The
Times has found.
So does that.
Post by The Todal
Analysis of Financial Ombudsman Service reports shows that complaints
about private medical insurers have risen sharply.
Complaints about Axa PPP at the ombudsman service have almost doubled
since 2015. Complaints against Bupa are up by 10 per cent although not
all will have related to consultants’ decisions that have been overturned.
In one case Bupa refused a heart patient funding for an implantable
cardioverter defibrillator, despite it having been recommended by his
consultant cardiologist and the procedure being within Nice guidelines.
Bupa said the surgery was experimental.
That happens in the NHS.
Post by The Todal
Axa refused to pay the full cost of a knee operation, again claiming
that it was experimental, despite a consultant recommending it and 20
published studies showing good clinical results for the procedure.
So does that.
Post by The Todal
The policyholder eventually had surgery on the NHS.
Did they have the "experimental" surgery on the NHS?
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