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BoJo’s Commons performance last night
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Stephen Cole
2019-09-26 05:05:16 UTC
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Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.

First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.

Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.
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4mat
2019-09-26 05:22:34 UTC
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wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain

so ....
boris johnson ..

it's the far right isn't it

thats his base

does he ever think at all .. does he pay attention to anything
that was 'off the cuff wasn't it'

bout one off the only 'onside' LBC djs, late last night, between
the irritating adverts, just about got it .. was trying to figure out
why boris johnson had stated, in response to an lbc djs question, during
the day, a complete falsehood, in what lady hale said

dj said "has he even read the judgement" .. but boris johnson stated twice
that ws the case, it was completely false, he breezes over things, he
distracts with 'eloquent' idiocy

he doesn't do any work -- he's a lazy, fat piece of shit, relying
constantly on his 'verbal flourishes' and the 35.2 watt club base he has,
the idiots in the uk -- express readers who are 'impressed by the
'genius'" of both him and 'rees mogg' .. as the express keeps telling us
"genius" .... they state nothing .. for rees mogg to state that this was
a "constituational coup" .. what an idiot .. it was the supreme court,
all 11 judges.

MSM, led by the daily telegraph is fully on the side of boris johnson,
guardian, with it's indiduous leaders, is fully on the side of this
criminal -- for the telegraph etc. to follow. Course they are fully
extorting now as the 'newspaper of justice/jouranlism' .. 'donate', they
say 'protect your rights' ... they have been wrecking corbyn (phase 8),
for days since the conference, in a baseless way

lady hale stated quite straightly that borises reason for suspension was
a complete falsehood, a lie. "it needs 3 days to organise a queens
speech" 3-6 was it, she said. Not a complete suspension, now, for one
reason only. Boris johnson and his thugs are liars. How do they think
they are going to win an election based on this. answer: it's the
formula, the outrage -- seize power, in the name of "democracy" .. all
they state, again and again, is that brexit, is "the will of the people".
He states again and again that "people want to leave" ...

supported totally, by the false MSM, it being 'north korea lite' -- state
media lockdown. All journalists in the UK are liars, -- they do not have
jobs, unless they are willing to lie for the government. State the
government line, or your are jobless -- fact. The guardian is
facilitating this dicator.
Rod Speed
2019-09-26 06:19:54 UTC
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wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..
Nope, just a rabid loony.
Roger Hayter
2019-09-26 08:04:17 UTC
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wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..
Nope, just a rabid loony.
I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.
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Brian Reay
2019-09-26 08:23:06 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..
Nope, just a rabid loony.
I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.
He was linked to a neo-Nazi group. Then the Nazi party was a socialist
party, the full name for the Nazi party is:


National Socialist German Workers' Party


The Nazi party was anti-Semitic. Just like Labour.

Then there was Oswald Mosley. He was the UK’s own little
Hitler pre WW2 and met with Hitler several times pre war. Was
anti-Semitic, conspired with our enemies....
He said: “Our aim was Europe a nation. Our faith European Socialism"
Mosley "My Life" autobiography 1957.

So the same as Labour. What a remarkable coincidence two anti-Semitic
groups trying to unite Europe.

BTW, Jo Cox isn’t the only MP to have been murdered, what about those
murdered by the IRA who Corbyn and his terrorist loving friends are so
chummy with?
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-26 10:14:31 UTC
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He was linked to a neo-Nazi group. Then the Nazi party was a socialist
National Socialist German Workers' Party
I'd guess you're one of those who think if a country has Democratic in its
title it must be democratic.

Just as well you no longer teach.
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Incubus
2019-09-26 09:39:21 UTC
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Post by Rod Speed
wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..
Nope, just a rabid loony.
I don't normally reply to professional trolls but this should not stand
unchallenged. The killer was a member of a small cell of far right
activists who planned an atrocity, including attacking an MP,
deliberately to further their cause. The other members of the cell have
mainly been charged with being members of an illegal organisation, as
there was said to be insufficient evidence that they helped plan this
specifici murder to charge them in the Jo Cox case. But they had all
planned terrorism. The murder was unrelated to any mental illness.
I don't think this is correct. He was a lone nutter. Nothing to do with
National Action, who were convicted of planning such an atrocity (planning
meaning talking shit to one another which was prosecuted for political gain).
Peeler
2019-09-26 08:16:20 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2019 16:19:54 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Post by Rod Speed
wasn't the person who shot jo cox, a fervent 'brexiter' ..
Nope, just a rabid loony.
Unlike you??? ROTFLOL
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Brian Reay
2019-09-26 06:25:20 UTC
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Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain
Her murderer was a neo - Nazi, not the same at all.

You probably don’t know about Oswald Mosley. He was the UK’s own little
Hitler pre WW2 and met with Hitler several times pre war. Was anti-Semitic,
conspired with our enemies....
He said: “Our aim was Europe a nation. Our faith European Socialism" Mosley
"My Life" autobiography 1957.

Then there is the Nazi party, do you know where the name comes from?

National Socialist German Workers' Party

Yes, Socialist.

So the same as Labour. What a remarkable coincidence two anti-Semitic
groups trying to unite Europe.

BTW, Jo Cox isn’t the only MP to have been murdered, what about those
murdered by the IRA who Corbyn and his terrorist loving friends are so
chummy with?
Stephen Cole
2019-09-26 06:42:23 UTC
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Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain
Her murderer was a neo - Nazi, not the same at all.
We’ve covered this before, Brian, and you’ve been provided with the
evidence from his own mouth that proves her killer was a fervent Brexiteer,
so it’s a little silly of you to play ignorant here. If the actions of your
Leave fellow travellers make you feel uncomfortable then you should
publicly denounce them and repudiate your shared views. Will you finally do
the decent thing?
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Brian Gaff
2019-09-26 06:56:10 UTC
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Don't be shy tell us what you really think.
grin
I do not see any statesmen amongst the lot of them, I do however feel that
despite his age, Kenneth Clarke is a very steady person and has always been
honest, even though I do not always agree with him. That was probably why
Boris chucked him out.
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Post by 4mat
wasn't the person who shot jo cox,
a fervent 'brexiter' .. i can't figure out why boris johnson
would say that -- jo cox campaigned, was campaigning strongly,
for remain
so ....
boris johnson ..
it's the far right isn't it
thats his base
does he ever think at all .. does he pay attention to anything
that was 'off the cuff wasn't it'
bout one off the only 'onside' LBC djs, late last night, between
the irritating adverts, just about got it .. was trying to figure out
why boris johnson had stated, in response to an lbc djs question, during
the day, a complete falsehood, in what lady hale said
dj said "has he even read the judgement" .. but boris johnson stated twice
that ws the case, it was completely false, he breezes over things, he
distracts with 'eloquent' idiocy
he doesn't do any work -- he's a lazy, fat piece of shit, relying
constantly on his 'verbal flourishes' and the 35.2 watt club base he has,
the idiots in the uk -- express readers who are 'impressed by the
'genius'" of both him and 'rees mogg' .. as the express keeps telling us
"genius" .... they state nothing .. for rees mogg to state that this was
a "constituational coup" .. what an idiot .. it was the supreme court,
all 11 judges.
MSM, led by the daily telegraph is fully on the side of boris johnson,
guardian, with it's indiduous leaders, is fully on the side of this
criminal -- for the telegraph etc. to follow. Course they are fully
extorting now as the 'newspaper of justice/jouranlism' .. 'donate', they
say 'protect your rights' ... they have been wrecking corbyn (phase 8),
for days since the conference, in a baseless way
lady hale stated quite straightly that borises reason for suspension was
a complete falsehood, a lie. "it needs 3 days to organise a queens
speech" 3-6 was it, she said. Not a complete suspension, now, for one
reason only. Boris johnson and his thugs are liars. How do they think
they are going to win an election based on this. answer: it's the
formula, the outrage -- seize power, in the name of "democracy" .. all
they state, again and again, is that brexit, is "the will of the people".
He states again and again that "people want to leave" ...
supported totally, by the false MSM, it being 'north korea lite' -- state
media lockdown. All journalists in the UK are liars, -- they do not have
jobs, unless they are willing to lie for the government. State the
government line, or your are jobless -- fact. The guardian is
facilitating this dicator.
The Todal
2019-09-26 08:33:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit
Stephen Cole
2019-09-26 09:16:04 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn’t expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn’s response, which was very much “the
adult in the room” in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn’t
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
“heartlands” votes.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a “People vs The
Establishment” General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit
Indeed. Whilst I think it’s clear what he’s trying to gain by acting like
this, I do think that there will be unintended consequences that will far
outweigh any benefit he may gain. I mean, it’s very unlikely that he’ll get
the early election he needs (ie, called before no deal is made impossible
by the securing of an extension) but there will be an election at some
point soon and the Tories may well make some hay from the People vs
Parliament narrative he’s laying down. But if a deranged Brexiteer
slaughters another Remain MP on the campaign trail, there’ll be blood on
Boris’ hands.

Aside from the toxic performance last night, it was quite remarkable to see
the Prime Minister essentially begging the Leader Of The Opposition to call
no confidence in the Government. Has such a thing happened before?
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The Natural Philosopher
2019-09-26 09:20:10 UTC
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Post by The Todal
I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit
Oddly every single medioa outrlest I have read today - I wouldnt
pollute my brain with the guardian - says the exact opposite.

More fake news?
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The Todal
2019-09-26 10:02:45 UTC
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I watched the Commons debate from the point after Boris had left. Anna
Soubry's speech was very poignant. Boris has disgraced himself and has
been reproached by people on both sides of the House.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/25/pm-branded-a-disgrace-after-saying-best-way-to-honour-jo-cox-is-to-deliver-brexit
Oddly every single medioa outrlest I have read today  - I wouldnt
pollute my brain with the guardian - says the exact opposite.
More fake news?
Yours is fake news. Educate yourself.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/anger-in-commons-as-boris-johnson-tells-mps-to-deliver-brexit-to-stay-safe-q8mrj5s85

Boris Johnson is facing a backlash from parliamentarians and the widower
of Jo Cox for using an extraordinary appearance in the Commons to tell
MPs that they must deliver Brexit in order to be “properly safe”.

Ms Morgan was the first cabinet minister to wade into the row by saying
she knew that Mr Johnson was “aware of and sympathetic about” threats
MPs received because she had “shared with him recently the threats I am
getting”. She added: “But at a time of strong feelings we all need to
remind ourselves of the effect of everything we say on those watching us.”

The former home secretary Amber Rudd took up Mr Johnson’s reply to Ms
Sherriff. “I think it’s wrong,” she said. “I think this approach is both
dishonest and dangerous. Dishonest because there were legitimate
differences of opinion among different MPs, different factions and we
need to find the common ground, and dangerous because it starts to ramp
up people’s behaviour against the MPs and against different people.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7506615/Boris-Johnson-forced-apologise-furious-Commons-speech.html

Boris Johnson could be forced to apologise for his furious Commons
speech amid backlash for his claim the 'best way to honour' murdered MP
Jo Cox 'is to deliver Brexit'

Opposition MPs responded to Mr Johnson's comments by claiming he has 'no
moral compass of any kind' as they claimed he is 'totally unfit for
office'.

Members of Mr Johnson's Cabinet also appeared to express disquiet at the
remarks.

Anger levels then spiked after Labour MP Paula Sheriff said the PM
'should be absolutely ashamed of himself' over his Brexit rhetoric as
she pointed to Ms Cox's commemorative shield which is on the wall in the
Commons chamber.

Ms Sheriff said: 'We stand here under the shield of our departed friend.
Many of us in this place are subject to death threats and abuse every
single day.

'Let me tell the Prime Minister that they often quote his
words—surrender Act, betrayal, traitor—and I, for one, am sick of it.'

She told the PM politicians 'must moderate our language' but he replied:
'I have to say that I have never heard such humbug in all my life.'

He also said the 'best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox, and indeed to
bring this country together, would be, I think, to get Brexit done'
Roger Hayter
2019-09-26 08:50:59 UTC
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Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn't expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn's response, which was very much "the
adult in the room" in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn't
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
"heartlands" votes.
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem strange to you and I but it is a real thing.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a "People vs The
Establishment" General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.
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2019-09-26 09:14:25 UTC
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Well, that was quite the spectacle. Whilst I didn't expect any humility or
contrition from Johnson, I was genuinely shocked at the level of bombast
and bluster he rolled out, particularly later in the debate as he responded
to backbenchers.
First of all, his opening tantrum came across terribly, particularly so
when immediately compared to Corbyn's response, which was very much "the
adult in the room" in style. Boris was clearly putting on a show but hasn't
the gravitas to pull off the grandstanding; he just looks like a toff at
the debating society, which is unlikely to pick up many working class
"heartlands" votes.
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem strange to you and I but it is a real thing.
Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a "People vs The
Establishment" General Election. This is the stuff of fascists and tyrants,
and will end badly. Or at least it would if Johnson and his acolytes had
the gumption and talents that they believe they do. Fortunately, the last
few weeks have proved how deeply inadequate these people actually are but
the steps they are taking still carry the potential to set off trouble.
These are interesting times.
Toff.... I haven't heard that word for ages..........
The Natural Philosopher
2019-09-26 09:18:54 UTC
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Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem stra nge to you and I but it is a real thing.
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Labour heartlands
who really love to have a complete undeucated lying arsehole to look up
to and take their opinions from. This may seem strange to you and I but
it is a real thing.
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2019-09-26 09:26:51 UTC
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Post by Roger Hayter
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in said
heartlands
who really love to have a toff to look up to and take their opinions
from. This may seem stra nge to you and I but it is a real thing.
Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a lot of people in Labour
heartlands who really love to have a complete undeucated lying
arsehole to look up to and take their opinions from. This may seem
strange to you and I but it is a real thing.
Blair won three elections...
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2019-09-26 10:19:55 UTC
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Most upsetting, though, was the later stages. Deeply troubling though it
was to see the Prime Minister goading Labour backbenchers with the
assassination of Jo Cox, it was the clear relish with which he was setting
about on a pre-decided path to whip-up a fervour against Parliament in
order to carry a foul and toxic momentum into a ”People vs The
Establishment• General Election.
When Red Robbo, etc, whipped up the masses against the establisment at a
meeting with his rhetoric, it was a 'bad thing'. When a public school boy
attempts the same, he is a man of the people. How easily some are fooled.
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