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When we have another hung parliament...
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The Todal
2019-11-06 21:37:03 UTC
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... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?

A hung parliament is a virtual certainty. Suppose, though, that this
time Corbyn manages to put together a supply and confidence agreement
with other non-Tory parties and Corbyn becomes Prime Minister. Will this
mean that "the people" support his plan for a renegotiated deal followed
by a People's Vote?

Won't we simply hear that a People's Vote is a betrayal of the will of
the people and that a marginal election victory isn't a mandate for such
a thing?
Norman Wells
2019-11-06 22:46:59 UTC
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Post by The Todal
... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
Not exactly, according to Paddypower.
Post by The Todal
Suppose, though, that this
time Corbyn manages to put together a supply and confidence agreement
with other non-Tory parties and Corbyn becomes Prime Minister.
2/1 against at the moment, whereas Boris is 1/3 on.
Post by The Todal
Will this
mean that "the people" support his plan for a renegotiated deal followed
by a People's Vote?
It means nothing at all. Supply and Confidence agreements don't cover
such matters.
Post by The Todal
Won't we simply hear that a People's Vote is a betrayal of the will of
the people and that a marginal election victory isn't a mandate for such
a thing?
Of course. You can't abolish the truth.
pensive hamster
2019-11-06 23:33:08 UTC
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Won't we simply hear that a People's Vote is a betrayal of the will of
the people and that a marginal election victory isn't a mandate for such
a thing?
Of course. You can't abolish the truth.
Perhaps you can't abolish the truth, because in politics there is no
truth to abolish, there is only spin and propaganda.

As someone used to have for a signature:

"What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you can make
people believe has happened. " [Janet Daley 27/8/2003]
Vidcapper
2019-11-07 07:50:05 UTC
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... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
The gap would have to be 3% or less for that to happen, and it's still
for larger than that.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
The Todal
2019-11-07 18:32:10 UTC
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... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
The gap would have to be 3% or less for that to happen, and it's still
for larger than that.
My question was based on the premise that there is a hung parliament and
that Corbyn is able to form a government this time.

Would you regard that as justification for implementing Labour's policy
of negotiating the best available deal and then putting it to a people's
vote?

If not, then presumably you would accept that the general election
changes nothing. We still have a Brexit stalemate. There would still be
no guarantee that the new MPs would vote in favour of Boris's deal.
Vidcapper
2019-11-08 06:56:13 UTC
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Post by The Todal
... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
The gap would have to be 3% or less for that to happen, and it's still
for larger than that.
My question was based on the premise that there is a hung parliament and
that Corbyn is able to form a government this time.
Would you regard that as justification for implementing Labour's policy
of negotiating the best available deal and then putting it to a people's
vote?
If not, then presumably you would accept that the general election
changes nothing. We still have a Brexit stalemate. There would still be
no guarantee that the new MPs would vote in favour of Boris's deal.
He would have to form a coalition with either the SNP, LibDems or
bother, depending on numbers, and I can't see such a coalition being
stable enough to get anything through parliament.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
GB
2019-11-07 09:54:17 UTC
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A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
Do you have any evidence for that? I'm just curious. All the main
parties, even the LibDems(!), say they can win, but they can't all be
right. You are saying that none of them are.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-11-07 10:13:48 UTC
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Post by The Todal
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
Do you have any evidence for that? I'm just curious. All the main
parties, even the LibDems(!), say they can win, but they can't all be
right. You are saying that none of them are.
One has to admit the possibility that they may not be entirely honest :-)
tim...
2019-11-29 09:03:00 UTC
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Post by The Todal
... how exactly will the general election have helped to progress Brexit?
A hung parliament is a virtual certainty.
well that prediction's now hanging by a very thin thread

good luck with the lottery

tim

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