Post by Norman Wells Post by Yellow Post by Norman Wells Post by MM Post by JNugent
So you think that people in manual - even skilled manual - jobs have no
Of course they should. But they should first *consider* the pros and
cons. Many leavers just reacted to their gut feelings, which is NOT
the right way to come to a conclusion.
Should they be examined on their understanding of the issues then,
perhaps only being allowed to vote if they exhibit rightthink?
But I suspect a lot of Remainers voted with their gut feelings too. Do
you have any evidence that they didn't?
Indeed - some people who voted remain surely did so because they
believed it to be the status-quo" option, which required no thought or
opinion except the feeling it was safe.
There were also the understandings of various Remainers here that all
trade would cease as soon as we left if we had no free-trade deals in
place, that UK citizens abroad would have their rights removed and
would have to be repatriated, as would all EU citizens living here,
that no migrant workers would be allowed in, that we would all need
visas if we wanted to visit Europe, that all flights between us and the
EU would stop, that all cruise liners would be held in foreign ports
imprisoning our citizens, and that there might well be civil war if we
had the temerity to leave.
Like most of the piffle you spout, there is an element of truth in some
of these claims.
The cessation of trade is, of course, sheer nonsense. Haven't the
Leavers have been telling us ad nauseam that we could trade perfectly
well (or even better!) under WTO rules?
Unfortunately. most of our trade deals pertain to the UK being an EU
member, and as such they will officially cease when our membership
ceases - and for any countries or trade blocks with which we want a
trade deal, we will need replace them with our own, new, individual
UK citizens could well have their existing rights to live and work in
the EU revoked. I'm pretty sure that the EU has not yet made any firm
promise that they won't do this - and the situation wasn't helped by our
own PM initially apparently being quite prepared to use EU citizens in
the UK as 'bargaining chips' before eventually giving a half-hearted
assurance that their status and residency could be regularised. [Despite
this, dozens of them were told that they will have to apply in the
normal way for citizenship - and a few were actually told that they were
going to be deported.]
No one ever really said that "no migrant workers would be allowed in".
What was pointed out was that they (and their employers) would have to
go through the same procedures regardless of their country of origin,
and the decision to allow them to come to the UK, and their length of
stay, would depend on type of work they were being employed for. These
additional complications could well lead to a shortage of workers.
As for air travel, this only takes place by various worldwide
international agreements - and if the UK was only a party to these
agreements by virtue of being an EU member, there could well have been a
problem when our membership ceased. [I believe that an agreement was
soon reached to maintain the status quo, as far as the UK was
As for cruise liners being impounded, and their UK passengers being
effectively held hostage - I never heard even the most deranged Remainer
(and yes - there are some!!) suggest that.
And as for civil war, the only people who have predicted civil war (and
rioting, civil disobedience etc) have been diehard Brexiteers. Wasn't it
Nigel Farage who threatened to "don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for
the front lines" if Theresa May failed to deliver a hard Brexit? I've
certainly heard some of his phone-in acolytes advocating various similar
forms of insurrection (admittedly usually to be quickly cut off by Nigel
with a "Now, now - we don't want that sort of talk").
Post by Norman Wells
No wonder they voted Remain, poor deluded souls
Not 'deluded' - but 'realistic' and 'rather sad'.
Post by Norman Wells
. I might have done too had any been true.
But the few that aren't total lies are partially true.