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So common sense does prevail
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BurfordTJustice
2018-10-11 11:19:34 UTC
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<***@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:5866df1f-3595-4d47-84a2-***@googlegroups.com...
: "e Christian owners of a bakery have won an appeal at the UK's highest
court [supreme court] over a finding that they discriminated against a
customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "Support Gay
Marriage".
:
: Five Supreme Court justices allowed a challenge by the McArthur family in
a unanimous ruling in London on Wednesday in what has become widely known as
the "gay cake case".
:
: The legal action was originally brought against family-run Ashers bakery
in Belfast by gay rights activist Gareth Lee, who won his case initially in
the county court and then at the Northern Ireland Court of Appeal.
:
: "Announcing the court's decision, its president, Lady Hale, said: "This
conclusion is not in any way to diminish the need to protect gay people and
people who support gay marriage from discrimination.
:
: "It is deeply humiliating, and an affront to human dignity, to deny
someone a service because of that person's race, gender, disability, sexual
orientation, religion or belief.
:
: "But that is not what happened in this case."
:
: She went on: "As to Mr Lee's claim based on sexual discrimination, the
bakers did not refuse to fulfil his order because of his sexual orientation.
: "They would have refused to make such a cake for any customer,
irrespective of their sexual orientation."
BurfordTJustice
2018-10-11 11:20:11 UTC
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<***@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:92a2c4a5-ba1b-482c-99ce-***@googlegroups.com...
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 4:23:04 PM UTC+1, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by BurfordTJustice
"e Christian owners of a bakery have won an appeal at the UK's highest
court [supreme court] over a finding that they discriminated against a
customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "Support
Gay
Marriage".
I do wonder if the decision would have been different pre-Farage, i.e.
before the UK swung so far to the right. Of course, Lady Hale - aka
'Brenda Hale, Baroness Hale of Richmond' from her Wikipædia page - is a
pillar of the white, bourgeous, Christian [1], entitled establishment.
It's not really surprising that she and her fellow justices would find for
the bakery owners. Or do you Brits still - despite _overwhelming_
evidence
to the contrary - still flatter yourselves that you have an 'independent'
judiciary?
What are you talking about?

Of course the judiciary are independent by definition.

Judges are recruited and appointed by judges and not politicians. It is only
judges who may admonish or remove them. They are in no way accountable to
politicians. There is no way you will find a judge being summoned before a
select committee of parliament to explain away his decisions. No politician
may countermand the decision of a court.

If politicians do not like the judgements of judges, then there are two
courses of action open to them. The first is to roll over. The second is to
use their legislative powers and procedures in Parliament to change the
offending law.


Contrast this with the US where they talk of a Republican or Democratic
Supreme court. You will never see a Labour, Tory or Lib Dem supreme court in
this country. Political appointees into the judiciary are quite common
abroad. William Hague once said of his experience as Foreign Secretary that
these people simply do no understand that a British politician cannot order
someone to be imprisoned or even arrested anymore than they can order a
properly convicted individual to be released.
BurfordTJustice
2018-10-11 11:20:38 UTC
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"saracene" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ee05abfc-0e6c-4fb4-96cc-***@googlegroups.com...
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 4:23:04 PM UTC+1, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by BurfordTJustice
"e Christian owners of a bakery have won an appeal at the UK's highest
court [supreme court] over a finding that they discriminated against a
customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "Support
Gay
Marriage".
I do wonder if the decision would have been different pre-Farage, i.e.
before the UK swung so far to the right. Of course, Lady Hale - aka
'Brenda Hale, Baroness Hale of Richmond' from her Wikipædia page - is a
pillar of the white, bourgeous, Christian [1], entitled establishment.
It's not really surprising that she and her fellow justices would find for
the bakery owners. Or do you Brits still - despite _overwhelming_
evidence
to the contrary - still flatter yourselves that you have an 'independent'
judiciary?
Y.
[1] despite accusations from the ultra-right of 'Jewish influence' [2]
[2] but then again, when is there not 'Jewish influence'..?
--
The decision was straightforward and logical ad it is surprising that it had
to go all the way to the supreme court. It you think it should have gone the
other way you are the one with a tendentious agenda, however you label it
politically.
BurfordTJustice
2018-10-11 11:20:54 UTC
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Post by BurfordTJustice
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 4:23:04 PM UTC+1, Yitzhak Isaac
Post by BurfordTJustice
"e Christian owners of a bakery have won an appeal at the UK's highest
court [supreme court] over a finding that they discriminated against a
customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "Support
Gay
Marriage".
I do wonder if the decision would have been different pre-Farage, i.e.
before the UK swung so far to the right. Of course, Lady Hale - aka
'Brenda Hale, Baroness Hale of Richmond' from her Wikipædia page - is a
pillar of the white, bourgeous, Christian [1], entitled establishment.
It's not really surprising that she and her fellow justices would find
for
the bakery owners. Or do you Brits still - despite _overwhelming_
evidence
to the contrary - still flatter yourselves that you have an
'independent'
judiciary?
Y.
[1] despite accusations from the ultra-right of 'Jewish influence' [2]
[2] but then again, when is there not 'Jewish influence'..?
--
The decision was straightforward and logical ad it is surprising that it
had to go all the way to the supreme court. It you think it should have
gone the other way you are the one with a tendentious agenda, however you
label it politically.
Male or female is genetically determined and there is nothing any amount of
legislation, fashion or fringe public opinion. can do about that stark fact.
There are certain areas where nature herself says "No".
BurfordTJustice
2018-10-11 11:21:23 UTC
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"abelard" <***@abelard.org> wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...
: On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:53:55 -0700 (PDT), ***@btopenworld.com
: wrote:
:
: >"e Christian owners of a bakery have won an appeal at the UK's highest
court [supreme court] over a finding that they discriminated against a
customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "Support Gay
Marriage".
: >
: >Five Supreme Court justices allowed a challenge by the McArthur family in
a unanimous ruling in London on Wednesday in what has become widely known as
the "gay cake case".
: >
: >The legal action was originally brought against family-run Ashers bakery
in Belfast by gay rights activist Gareth Lee, who won his case initially in
the county court and then at the Northern Ireland Court of Appeal.
:
: what is disgraceful is the original 'rulings'
:
: >"Announcing the court's decision, its president, Lady Hale, said: "This
conclusion is not in any way to diminish the need to protect gay people and
people who support gay marriage from discrimination.
: >
: >"It is deeply humiliating, and an affront to human dignity, to deny
someone a service because of that person's race, gender, disability, sexual
orientation, religion or belief.
: >
: >"But that is not what happened in this case."
: >
: >She went on: "As to Mr Lee's claim based on sexual discrimination, the
bakers did not refuse to fulfil his order because of his sexual orientation.
: >"They would have refused to make such a cake for any customer,
irrespective of their sexual orientation."
:
: --
: www.abelard.org

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