Post by JNugent Post by Pamela
Your self-appointed arbitership of a situation in which you demand proofs
shows how self-important you see yourself. You entered this discussion by
a goofy explanation of what I had already just stated. Then you tried to
reply on an inappropriate definition of "agenda" to try and draw attention
from your mistake.
There is nothing arbitrary about pointing out that you are unable to
show / prove your thesis.
You claim that there is a hidden agenda / plan / policy. Because you
cannot prove that, your further claim is that the very non-existence of
it is proof that it exists.
I have no title to any land or structure other than my house, but I
could sell you a landmark structure in Central London, cheap.
My lack of documented title to it only proves that I own it right?
Post by Pamela
Sorry to have to expose you. You're not acting smart, you're acting like
an idiot trying to cover up his mistake.
I have made no mistake on this issue. You claim that something exists. I
point out that it doesn't
Can you prove your claim that a hidden agenda doesn't exist?
Don't know if the report below is evidence of some kind of
hidden agenda. Actually it seems more like evidence of a
complete lack of any agenda, hidden or otherwise, or indeed
of any kind of plan.
It does seem evidence of dishonesty and spin though. Maybe
that is the agenda.
1 August 2019
'Brexit: Did Dominic Raab warn of no-deal during referendum
'... Mr Raab, a prominent campaigner for Vote Leave, repeatedly
said during the campaign that there was no doubt that the UK
would get a deal with the EU.
'The closest we have been able to find to an acceptance that
there might not be one was on 2 March 2016. That was the day
the Treasury released a report looking at a number of Brexit
scenarios and concluding that a no-deal or "WTO Brexit" was
the most damaging option for the UK economy.
'... Mr Raab argued that "all eventualities" including a no-deal
Brexit had been discussed during the referendum.
'After days looking through the archives, we have not been able
to find any other clear examples of Mr Raab talking about the
possibility of a no-deal exit before the referendum on 23 June
2016. Channel 4 News and The Guardian both came to the
'BBC Reality Check searched for mentions of no deal in:
BBC programme running orders and transcripts
Today programme interviews
Vote Leave's campaign material
Texts of keynote speeches
Articles written by Mr Raab and Mr Gove
'There are plenty of examples of him saying the UK would secure
a deal, on the other hand.
'... Mr Gove told the Daily Mail in March this year: "We didn't
vote to leave without a deal. That wasn't the message of the
campaign I helped lead. During that campaign, we said we
should do a deal with the EU and be part of the network of
free trade deals that covers all Europe, from Iceland to Turkey."
'Dominic Raab trades in ‘alternative facts’. Westminster will
soon be as bad as the White House'
'... If only we could persuade him to stay put in Bangkok, where
he’s busy dribbling about trade opportunities as his friends
press on with their plans to put up walls between us and our
biggest market as part of a no-deal Brexit for which there is no
'The foreign secretary has, of course, got caught with his pants
down and on fire after claiming that he and his friends have that
because they warned about the possibility at every opportunity
during the EU referendum.
'Except they didn’t.
'The BBC, to its great credit, took it upon itself to do some
journalism and assess the veracity of the claim. Its commendably
forensic piece of fact checking is currently all the rage on Twitter.
Rage being the operative word here, given that it proves Raab
Post by JNugent
and that you have no evidence for your claim.
You then claim that the lack of evidence only proves your claim further.