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Judith
2018-03-04 11:32:27 UTC
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Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.

Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.

Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.

So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.

Perfect
harry
2018-03-04 18:46:14 UTC
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Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
No not perfect.
They need number plates, riding licence and insurance.
pensive hamster
2018-03-04 20:37:29 UTC
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Post by harry
Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
No not perfect.
They need number plates, riding licence and insurance.
Riding licence? So there will need to be a riding test, and
a minimum age? Do you think C Alliston would have failed
the test?
R. Mark Clayton
2018-03-05 20:58:06 UTC
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Post by pensive hamster
Post by harry
Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
No not perfect.
They need number plates, riding licence and insurance.
Riding licence? So there will need to be a riding test, and
a minimum age? Do you think C Alliston would have failed
the test?
Well I passed my cycling proficiency test aged 10 or 11. Precise date (and my name) has faded now, but [Prince] Philip's hasn't!

A bit impracticable IMO and in any event Darwian selection tends to weed out suicyclists (e.g. those who undertake buses and HGV's)
JNugent
2018-03-05 14:07:05 UTC
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Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
Not so.

In order to be comparable to the laws concerning motor vehicles, the new
legislation needs to cover damage to property (especially other
vehicles, but also street furniture) and any injuries to the person (not
just death).

Ideally, cyclists need to be covered - whether they wish to be or not -
by compulsory policies of insurance where the insurers are specifically
aware that they are on risk for cycling incidents and where they know
whose risk they are insuring (no winging it on mum's fridge-freezer
insurance).
R. Mark Clayton
2018-03-05 21:00:22 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
Not so.
In order to be comparable to the laws concerning motor vehicles, the new
legislation needs to cover damage to property (especially other
vehicles, but also street furniture) and any injuries to the person (not
just death).
Ideally, cyclists need to be covered - whether they wish to be or not -
by compulsory policies of insurance where the insurers are specifically
aware that they are on risk for cycling incidents and where they know
whose risk they are insuring (no winging it on mum's fridge-freezer
insurance).
Insuring cycles against theft is an add on option on many policies. Given the fairly low risk of a claim and close similarity of cycle performance (unlike cars and motorbikes) it could be a simple add on or just included.

I had an NU motorbike rider policy for many years for about £10pa (maybe £20-30 now).
JNugent
2018-03-06 00:32:41 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by JNugent
Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
Not so.
In order to be comparable to the laws concerning motor vehicles, the new
legislation needs to cover damage to property (especially other
vehicles, but also street furniture) and any injuries to the person (not
just death).
Ideally, cyclists need to be covered - whether they wish to be or not -
by compulsory policies of insurance where the insurers are specifically
aware that they are on risk for cycling incidents and where they know
whose risk they are insuring (no winging it on mum's fridge-freezer
insurance).
Insuring cycles against theft is an add on option on many policies. Given the fairly low risk of a claim and close similarity of cycle performance (unlike cars and motorbikes) it could be a simple add on or just included.
As most readers will have been able to surmise, I did not mean insurance
against theft (even the owners of motor vehicles are not obliged to have
that).

The only insurance worth making compulsory is insurance against the cost
of damage, injury and other mischief negligently or otherwise caused by
the cyclist whilst using the bicycle.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
I had an NU motorbike rider policy for many years for about £10pa (maybe £20-30 now).
That does sound cheap. Was it a free-standing policy, quoted for
specifically for you?
Peter Keller
2018-03-06 09:41:13 UTC
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Post by Judith
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/04/death-by-dangerous-cycling-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Ministers are set to recommend a new offence of causing death by dangerous
cycling under plans expected to be announced this week, it has been reported.
Last September, it was revealed MPs were considering introducing an offence for
cyclists who kill pedestrians, in a review designed to reflect public concern
over safety on the roads.
Reports on Sunday suggested the review will recommend the new offence, which
would carry the same penalties as causing death by dangerous driving.
So some cyclists could be possibly looking at 14 years where they'll not be
tempted to jump red-lights, ride on the pavements, and injure or kill
pedestrians.
Perfect
Already have it.
It is called manslaughter.
Kerr-Mudd,John
2020-01-13 21:28:10 UTC
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Post by Judith
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ing-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Where are the trolls of yester-year?
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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
MrCheerful
2020-01-13 23:48:54 UTC
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Post by Judith
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ing-offence-to-be-introduced-reports
Where are the trolls of yester-year?
indeed, where is 35 and three quarters, doug B, tony raving, tom
crispin-rigsby and all the other long lost souls, are they all dead?
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