"Bod" <***@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@mid.individual.net...
: On 13/06/2018 16:17, trader_4 wrote:
: > On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 11:07:46 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
: >> On 13/06/2018 15:54, trader_4 wrote:
: >>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 9:47:33 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
: >>>> On 13/06/2018 13:56, trader_4 wrote:
: >>>>> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 7:21:39 AM UTC-4, Bod wrote:
: >>>>>> On 13/06/2018 11:50, Morph wrote:
: >>>>>>> On 06/13/2018 05:45 AM, Bod wrote:
: >>>>>>>> People should be free to take whatever they like. It is up to the
: >>>>>>>> individual whether they abuse anything....personal
: >>>>>>>> Many people drink the poison/drug called alcohol. Most drink it
: >>>>>>>> responsibility and THAT is legal.
: >>>>>>>> .
: >>>>>>> Yes, free choice *until* the worthless losers expect the taxpayers
: >>>>>>> provide subsidized/free health care when they land in the local
: >>>>>>> emergency room. At that point, the only free option should be a
: >>>>>>> guillotine. Dopers contribute nothing and cost the taxpayers their
: >>>>>>> hard-earned money.
: >>>>>>> The fact is dopers/drunks seldom ever take personal
: >>>>>> Which means that making things legal or illegal makes no difference
: >>>>>> They will still abuse the stuff.
: >>>>>> --
: >>>>>> Bod
: >>>>> The difference is if it was all legal and available the vast
: >>>>> of the crime element would be taken out of the equation. But then
: >>>>> much bigger of a drug user problem we'd have would be the issue and
: >>>>> of dealing with that.
: >>>> I can't see the drug abuse problem would increase.
: >>> I can. A whole lot of people who now wouldn't try it, would because
: >>> it's legal and accessible. And a lot of people who try something now,
: >>> maybe at a party, but who don't have a ready source right there to
: >>> get some more tomorrow would go buy it legally tomorrow or next week
: >>> to get high again. And a lot of these
: >>> drugs, eg crack and heroine, are a lot more addictive than alcohol.
: >>>> Most folk imbibe etc
: >>>> sensibly. When alcohol prohibition came in the USA, crime went up, as
: >>>> did drink abuse.
: >>> Crime certainly did, the alcohol abuse part, I've never heard before.
: >>> When they scrapped prohibition, at least you knew what
: >>>> was in the alcohol and the strength, which made drinking it much
: >>>> Folk shouldn't have to be nannied
: >>>> --
: >>>> Bod
: >>> The counter argument is that once it's legal, safer and "normal"
: >>> more people will be tempted to go try it. How many times do you
: >>> think you have to try crack, heroine or meth, to become addicted?
: >>> You yourself posted that JFK and his wife were using meth regularly.
: >>> We'll have some more data on where at least some legalization leads,
: >>> with pot now being legalized in more states. But that's also a long
: >>> way from legalizing the rest of the far more dangerous drugs. I'd
: >>> have to see a lot of good data that shows it doesn't actually make
: >>> things worse, instead of better.
: >> Yes, lots of data needs to be collated to get a better idea of the
: >> effects on society, which is fair enough and sensible.
: >> The problem is that governments are frightened of armageddon because of
: >> pre assumptions without the facts.
: >> Example: Our government asked two of the top professors in the UK who
: >> were experts on drugs to do a study. They were asked for a report on
: >> outcome of legalisation and guess what.... they reported back that many
: >> drugs should be legalised, the government didn't like the result, so
: >> government sacked them.
: >> "Alcohol 'more harmful than heroin' says Prof David Nutt"
: >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11660210
: >> --
: >> Bod
: > I don't think his study says what you imply it says.
: > Prof Nutt told the BBC: "Overall, alcohol is the most harmful drug
because it's so widely used.
: > "Crack cocaine is more addictive than alcohol but because alcohol is so
widely used there are hundreds of thousands of people who crave alcohol
every day, and those people will go to extraordinary lengths to get it."
: > What he concluded isn't shocking or unusual. Alcohol is legal, very
: > used and accepted. The illegal drugs are not. So if you look at
: > cost to society in terms of crime, healthcare costs, lost work,
: > lives, etc, it's no surprise that it would overall rank higher than
: > and crack. Having alcohol with a rating of 72 while the other two come
: > at 55, is really pretty bad, considering one is widely used, in most
: > and the others are not. What do you think would happen if heroine and
: > crack were legal and just as widespread as alcohol?
: But there's widespread hypocrasy in our Parliament:
: 'Parliament boozes its way through £1.2m in two years - while telling us
: to cut down'
: I think there's at least 7 bars in the houses of Parliament alone and
: they are always full.
: Many insiders claim that several MPs regularly snort Cocaine as well.
: They found Coke traces on top of cistern lids etc.