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Leather knee patches for Fox
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R. Mark Clayton
2018-03-09 15:31:48 UTC
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Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade deals with [the other] half the world?

Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secretary-jets-12154973
pamela
2018-03-09 21:04:44 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.

I wonder how the UK would sort this out after Brexit. Send Nigel
Farage? Nigel also used to be a metal commodities broker. lol
tim...
2018-03-10 11:46:59 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't

tim
R. Mark Clayton
2018-03-10 12:09:50 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
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Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's impetuousness, which could severely damage important industries in the EU (e.g. German stell and car producers).

Liam Fox should be worried about this too - we already had the 300% tax on Shorts' aircraft, which if the legals had been right would have likely closed the factory.

OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown on his brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British Steel, aircraft and other goods is the exact opposite of the free and easy trading the UK would have with the rest of the world he promises if it left the EU and makes him look like the total d**k he is.
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tim
** or
pamela
2018-03-10 12:51:51 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free
trade deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the
UK to be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and
aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-
british-trade-secretary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with
America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
The list of countermeasures is almost endless. Especially
discriminatory tariffs or barriers on US tech services such as
Amazon.

What is Britain planning to do? Perhaps launch a WTO complaint and
wait a few years to see what gets decided, while our steel companies
go bankrupt.
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Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's
impetuousness, which could severely damage important industries in
the EU (e.g. German stell and car producers).
Liam Fox should be worried about this too - we already had the
300% tax on Shorts' aircraft, which if the legals had been right
would have likely closed the factory.
The UK had no leverage over the US when it imposed 300% tariffs but
luckily the dispute got resolved for us. Our special relationship
didn't count for much.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown
on his brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British
Steel, aircraft and other goods is the exact opposite of the free
and easy trading the UK would have with the rest of the world he
promises if it left the EU and makes him look like the total d**k
he is.
It's a tough world out there and it's getting tougher. Britain is
going to struggle. Where's all that extra cash to make us rich
going to come from as promised by Brexiteers from dealing with the
rest of the world?
--
The wheels are coming off the Brexit clown car
tim...
2018-03-10 13:34:22 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
you think trump will care less?
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Post by tim...
Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's impetuousness,
which could severely damage important industries in the EU (e.g. German
stell and car producers).
but what can they do

how does taxing iPhone sell more cars.

the damage is done
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Liam Fox should be worried about this too
of course,

that doesn't mean he doesn't have as good a hand as the EU (i.e none at
all)
Post by R. Mark Clayton
- we already had the 300% tax on Shorts' aircraft,
successfully defended
Post by R. Mark Clayton
which if the legals had been right would have likely closed the factory.
OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown on his
brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British Steel, aircraft
and other goods is the exact opposite of the free and easy trading the UK
would have with the rest of the world he promises if it left the EU and
makes him look like the total d**k he is.
The Trump era is time limited

he will be gone before any US Trade Agreement reaches its implementation
date

tim
Lancer
2018-03-10 14:14:50 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
you think trump will care less?
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by tim...
Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's impetuousness,
which could severely damage important industries in the EU (e.g.
German stell and car producers).
but what can they do
how does taxing iPhone sell more cars.
the damage is done
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Liam Fox should be worried about this too
of course,
that doesn't mean he doesn't have as good a hand as the EU (i.e none at
all)
Post by R. Mark Clayton
- we already had the 300% tax on Shorts' aircraft,
successfully defended
You mean defeated by the US Trade Commission.
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
which if the legals had been right would have likely closed the factory.
OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown on
his brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British Steel,
aircraft and other goods is the exact opposite of the free and easy
trading the UK would have with the rest of the world he promises if it
left the EU and makes him look like the total d**k he is.
The Trump era is time limited
he will be gone before any US Trade Agreement reaches its implementation
date
In the mean time Trump will be in charge of negotiations.
tim...
2018-03-10 19:20:13 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade
deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to
be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secr
etary-jets-12154973
Why doesn't Liam Fox just let the EU negotiatate this with America?
because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
you think trump will care less?
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by tim...
Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's impetuousness,
which could severely damage important industries in the EU (e.g.
German stell and car producers).
but what can they do
how does taxing iPhone sell more cars.
the damage is done
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Liam Fox should be worried about this too
of course,
that doesn't mean he doesn't have as good a hand as the EU (i.e none at
all)
Post by R. Mark Clayton
- we already had the 300% tax on Shorts' aircraft,
successfully defended
You mean defeated by the US Trade Commission.
Post by tim...
Post by R. Mark Clayton
which if the legals had been right would have likely closed the factory.
OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown on
his brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British Steel,
aircraft and other goods is the exact opposite of the free and easy
trading the UK would have with the rest of the world he promises if it
left the EU and makes him look like the total d**k he is.
The Trump era is time limited
he will be gone before any US Trade Agreement reaches its implementation
date
In the mean time Trump will be in charge of negotiations.
That's true

But the point under discussion is Trump's current imposition of tariffs, in
spite of having a trade agreement with countries (in this case Canada and
Mexico) for zero tariffs on the items, proving that he wont stick to the
agreement once it is signed.

There is no risk of that happening to any FTA that we have with the USA,
because Trump will be gone by the time it is in operation.

tim
R. Mark Clayton
2018-03-11 10:49:10 UTC
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SNIP
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because the EU has no cards to play here
Dunno - could tax anything American - 787's, iPhones etc.
you think trump will care less?
Dunno - he is not entirely rational.
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Post by tim...
Post by pamela
The EU isn't frightened of what Donald Trump attempts but Liam Fox is.
Oh no he isn't
The EU will certainly be anxious about numpty trumpty's impetuousness,
which could severely damage important industries in the EU (e.g. German
stell and car producers).
but what can they do
how does taxing iPhone sell more cars.
the damage is done
Trade wars only have losers, to quote Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris "they have sown the wind..."
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Liam Fox should be worried about this too
of course,
that doesn't mean he doesn't have as good a hand as the EU (i.e none at
all)
Post by R. Mark Clayton
- we already had the 300% tax on Shorts' aircraft,
successfully defended
For the moment - averted on some legal technicality.
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
which if the legals had been right would have likely closed the factory.
OTOH the reason Liam Fox should have his leather knee patches sown on his
brown trousers is that Trump slapping tariffs ON British Steel, aircraft
and other goods is the exact opposite of the free and easy trading the UK
would have with the rest of the world he promises if it left the EU and
makes him look like the total d**k he is.
The Trump era is time limited
he will be gone before any US Trade Agreement reaches its implementation
date
tim
Maybe to both, but damage will have been done.

pensive hamster
2018-03-09 21:04:58 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Remember when Liam Fox boasted about how he would get free trade deals with [the other] half the world?
Instead he is off to Washington DC to grovel and beg for the UK to be left out of Trump's latest tariff hit on steel and aluminium.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/panicking-british-trade-secretary-jets-12154973
We need a pointless grovel at this stage of the campaign.

(After Peter Cook)
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