Post by tim... Post by pamela Post by pamela Post by R. Mark Clayton Post by Yellow
Where on the ballot paper was this box?
Where it said "Leave the European Union".
Many Brextremists were quite happy to accept the economic
damage [and said so] in return for being able to impose racist
immigration policies, deport eastern Europeans, stop British
people buying cheaper imported goods etc.
OTOH about half the Leave voters were suckered by claims of a
better tomorrow and £358M a week for the NHS. We have not
even got to decree nisi and already we have slipped from the
top of the [EU] pile to the bottom, pound at near record lows
against the [doomed*] Euro, large lay offs every other day
* if the Euro is doomed and the pound is nearly 20% down
against it since referendum day, what does that portend for
Don't forget the socking great £40 billion divorce payment
which Brexiteers, blinded by their euphoria, didn't see coming.
but the Remainers didn't see it ether and for the umpteenth time
This payment is NOT new money
In fact you have made the same mistake for the umpteenth time.
Your mistake is based on wishful thinking. Can you cite where
you're getting the information that all this £40 billion is not
it's to be paid out of the 15 billion per year that we already
give the EU
all that happening is we are paying our "sub" whilst transitioning out
Can you please cite where it states that the £40 billion contains
only our normal membership contibutions.
Post by tim... Post by pamela
Theresa May and pro-Brexit pundits had tried to soften the blow
of getting stung with the £40 billion bill by saying we would
have had to pay some of it anyway. However, this amount is
calculated from outstanding commitments and liabilities incuding
EU pensions. Because the UK has asked to stay close to the EU
until 2020, there will be some payment by the UK for this extra
period but no one has yet agreed it will be part of the £40
Perhaps you can also post a reference to where it says the UK will
not be paying for any outstanding commitments and liabilities.
Meanwhile this is what commentators have been observing:
"LONDON Theresa May's cabinet has agreed to increase the UK's
financial offer to the European Union for the Brexit divorce bill
to £40 billion in an attempt to break the deadlock in
"Earlier in November, the EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier
warned the UK it had two weeks to make clear its position on the
divorce bill in order to allow the possibility of talks moving on
to the question of the future EU-UK relationship."
"The UK's negotiating team will set out to the EU how they
believe the financial settlement should be calculated, which
reportedly will add £20 billion on top of the £20 billion May
indicated the UK will pay in her Florence speech."
The following extracts don't exactly sound like the money is for normal
business. There are dozens more like these quotes.
"the UK will agree to pay the sum - equivalent to 40 billion -
it if the EU agrees to negotiate the financial settlement as part
of a deal on future relations, including a trade deal."
Jacob Rees-Mogg, MP for North East Somerset, said: "There is no
logic to this figure, legally we owe nothing."
"The newspaper quoted a senior Whitehall source as saying the
EUs position was that the fee should be 60 billion euro (£54
billion), but the 'actual bottom line' was 50 billion euro (£45
billion); the UKs position was 30 billion euro (£27 billion) and
'the landing zone is 40 billion (£36 billion) even if the public
and politicians are not all there yet'. "
"The proposal would see Britain offer to make net payments to the
EU of some 10 billion a year for up to three years after Brexit
as a partial down-payment on a final 40 billion euro settlement.