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US says 'no free trade deal with UK unless digital tax scrapped'
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Pamela
2019-08-03 08:56:11 UTC
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After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.

The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.

The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.

But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
Norman Wells
2019-08-03 09:19:34 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
I've told you many times before, but you don't seem capable of taking it in.

Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.

They are complicated and need to be negotiated with care so that they
give mutual benefit.

Just counting up free trade deals is not therefore an indication of
success and future prosperity, as you and others here naively seem to think.
Pamela
2019-08-03 14:08:56 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed
to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine
how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a
new digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper
report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it
be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-
unless-digital- tax-scrapped-report-11776240
I've told you many times before, but you don't seem capable of taking it in.
Repeating a mistake doesn't make it correct.
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
The desirability of a "free" trade deal doesn't much affect the
undesirability of a highly lop-sided trade agreement struck under duress
with America.
Post by Norman Wells
They are complicated and need to be negotiated with care so that they
give mutual benefit.
Just counting up free trade deals is not therefore an indication of
success and future prosperity, as you and others here naively seem to think.
Any deal Trump strikes with the UK after Brexit increasingly has the signs
of favouring America at our cost by exploiting our weakness.

Trump's warm words of encouragement for the UK to rely on a trade deal
with America after Brexit will soon be forgotten when it comes to
practice. Trump is a swindler making overtures to his next victim, the
UK.
Norman Wells
2019-08-03 16:21:08 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed
to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine
how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a
new digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper
report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it
be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-
unless-digital- tax-scrapped-report-11776240
I've told you many times before, but you don't seem capable of taking it in.
Repeating a mistake doesn't make it correct.
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
The desirability of a "free" trade deal doesn't much affect the
undesirability of a highly lop-sided trade agreement struck under duress
with America.
No duress. We'll just say no thanks, get back to us when you've
reconsidered.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
They are complicated and need to be negotiated with care so that they
give mutual benefit.
Just counting up free trade deals is not therefore an indication of
success and future prosperity, as you and others here naively seem to think.
Any deal Trump strikes with the UK after Brexit increasingly has the signs
of favouring America at our cost by exploiting our weakness.
Then we won't agree to it, and it won't be a deal at all.
Post by Pamela
Trump's warm words of encouragement for the UK to rely on a trade deal
with America after Brexit will soon be forgotten when it comes to
practice. Trump is a swindler making overtures to his next victim, the
UK.
We don't have to 'rely' on a deal with the USA. Is this your complete
misconception coming out that all trade will cease the moment we leave
the EU?
Pamela
2019-08-06 13:39:04 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now
progressed to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not
hard to imagine how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a
new digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper
report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor
Philip Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were
not paying their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect
in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that
it be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-
unless-digital- tax-scrapped-report-11776240
I've told you many times before, but you don't seem capable of taking it in.
Repeating a mistake doesn't make it correct.
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
The desirability of a "free" trade deal doesn't much affect the
undesirability of a highly lop-sided trade agreement struck under
duress with America.
No duress. We'll just say no thanks, get back to us when you've
reconsidered.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
They are complicated and need to be negotiated with care so that they
give mutual benefit.
Just counting up free trade deals is not therefore an indication of
success and future prosperity, as you and others here naively seem to think.
Any deal Trump strikes with the UK after Brexit increasingly has the
signs of favouring America at our cost by exploiting our weakness.
Then we won't agree to it, and it won't be a deal at all.
Post by Pamela
Trump's warm words of encouragement for the UK to rely on a trade deal
with America after Brexit will soon be forgotten when it comes to
practice. Trump is a swindler making overtures to his next victim, the
UK.
We don't have to 'rely' on a deal with the USA. Is this your complete
misconception coming out that all trade will cease the moment we leave
the EU?
Barriers will come into play that need overcoming. The UK is not making
much progress with this at the moment. I hope Boris knows what his EU
strategy is because not many outsiders can fathom it out.
Ian Jackson
2019-08-06 18:56:18 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now
progressed to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not
hard to imagine how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a
new digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper
report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor
Philip Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were
not paying their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect
in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that
it be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-
unless-digital- tax-scrapped-report-11776240
I've told you many times before, but you don't seem capable of taking it in.
Repeating a mistake doesn't make it correct.
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
The desirability of a "free" trade deal doesn't much affect the
undesirability of a highly lop-sided trade agreement struck under
duress with America.
No duress. We'll just say no thanks, get back to us when you've
reconsidered.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
They are complicated and need to be negotiated with care so that they
give mutual benefit.
Just counting up free trade deals is not therefore an indication of
success and future prosperity, as you and others here naively seem to think.
Any deal Trump strikes with the UK after Brexit increasingly has the
signs of favouring America at our cost by exploiting our weakness.
Then we won't agree to it, and it won't be a deal at all.
Post by Pamela
Trump's warm words of encouragement for the UK to rely on a trade deal
with America after Brexit will soon be forgotten when it comes to
practice. Trump is a swindler making overtures to his next victim, the
UK.
We don't have to 'rely' on a deal with the USA. Is this your complete
misconception coming out that all trade will cease the moment we leave
the EU?
Barriers will come into play that need overcoming. The UK is not making
much progress with this at the moment. I hope Boris knows what his EU
strategy is because not many outsiders can fathom it out.
It seems that not all of the 'insiders' can either.
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Ian
Ian Jackson
2019-08-03 15:12:09 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW. Please
forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
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Ian
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-03 15:54:07 UTC
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On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 16:12:09 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW.
It is.
Post by Ian Jackson
Please forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
There wasn't one. Deals have to be negotiated though.
Peeler
2019-08-03 17:17:22 UTC
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Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by Ian Jackson
I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW.
It is.
We'll see ...about those "benefits"! <BG>
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by Ian Jackson
Please forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
There wasn't one. Deals have to be negotiated though.
No shit! You learnt about the "art of the deal" when you were peddling used
satellite dishes on Usenet, eh, serb peasant! LMAO
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Norman Wells
2019-08-03 18:37:01 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for a
smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW. Please
forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
That's alright.

But you've got it wrong. Outside the EU we will be *free* to make our
own trade deals, not be tied into those the EU has amde that might not
suit our own circumstances.

We will not enter into trade deals that are not to our benefit.
Ian Jackson
2019-08-03 19:02:52 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for
a smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW.
Please forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
That's alright.
But you've got it wrong. Outside the EU we will be *free* to make our
own trade deals, not be tied into those the EU has amde that might not
suit our own circumstances.
Like I said - "We will be able to make loads of our own personal trade
deals with the RoW. "
Post by Norman Wells
We will not enter into trade deals that are not to our benefit.
Of course not! Why would we?
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Ian
Norman Wells
2019-08-03 20:12:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for
a  smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
 I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW.
Please  forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
That's alright.
But you've got it wrong.  Outside the EU we will be *free* to make our
own trade deals, not be tied into those the EU has amde that might not
suit our own circumstances.
Like I said - "We will be able to make loads of our own personal trade
deals with the RoW. "
Post by Norman Wells
We will not enter into trade deals that are not to our benefit.
Of course not! Why would we?
What's the problem then?
pensive hamster
2019-08-04 12:28:34 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Norman Wells writes
Post by Norman Wells
Norman Wells writes
Post by Norman Wells
Free trade deals are not necessarily a good thing, particularly for
a  smaller party whose markets could be swamped by the dominant one.
 I thought that one of the main benefits of Brexit is that we will be
able to make loads of our own personal trade deals with the RoW.
Please  forgive me for my now-obvious glaring mistake,
That's alright.
But you've got it wrong.  Outside the EU we will be *free* to make our
own trade deals, not be tied into those the EU has amde that might not
suit our own circumstances.
Do you know of any EU-made trade deals that we are currently
tied into, that do not suit our own circumstances?
Post by Norman Wells
Like I said - "We will be able to make loads of our own personal trade
deals with the RoW. "
Post by Norman Wells
We will not enter into trade deals that are not to our benefit.
Of course not! Why would we?
What's the problem then?
Uncertainty is the current problem. There may be other
problems after Brexit, but there may be new opportunities
too. Difficult to know, at this stage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842
22 July 2019
'Brexit: What trade deals has the UK done so far?

'As a European Union member, the UK is automatically part of
about 40 trade agreements which the EU has with more than
70 countries.

'If the UK leaves the EU without a deal it would lose these trade
deals immediately - worth about 11% of total UK trade.

'To avoid this, Theresa May's government says it wants to
replicate the EU's trade agreements "as far as possible" and
have them ready to go in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

'... So what could the consequences be if trade arrangements are
not fully in place and the UK leaves the EU with no deal?

'With the countries where the UK has no formal trade agreement,
both would have to trade under the rules overseen by the World
Trade Organization (WTO).

'Trade would not stop if this were to happen but some barriers
would go up, says Alex Stojanovic, from the Institute for
Government think tank.

"There is a reason you have trade agreements, it's that they
give you better trade preferences than WTO terms.

"So some businesses will be harmed by tariffs coming into
play," he says.'
Peeler
2019-08-03 09:25:02 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
This is one of the things I like about the EU. They are the only ones who
dare to take to task those disgusting US monopolists and punish them
occasionally with fines of several billions of Euros and try to make them
adhere somewhat to superior European standards and laws ...though even the
EU still doesn't do enough about those rather criminal monster firms, in my
opinion. But right now the EU seems to be the ONLY political entity that
matters who dares to do at least SOMETHING.
Keema's Nan
2019-08-03 10:21:31 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.

Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
Norman Wells
2019-08-03 10:44:26 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
Post by Keema's Nan
Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
R. Mark Clayton
2019-08-06 15:35:50 UTC
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.

Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
Norman Wells
2019-08-06 16:11:25 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
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Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.

You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.

We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever.

Have you never done that?
pensive hamster
2019-08-06 16:48:14 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by a "hard border".

For example, would you say that removing the right to have
both Irish and British citizenship, is a hardening of the border?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/06/home-office-british-citizenship-northern-ireland--good-friday-agreement

'... The people of Northern Ireland are unique within the UK
in that we have the birthright to identify and be accepted as
Irish or British or both. However, contrary to the statutory
duty on the Home Office to accept the birthright provisions
of the Good Friday agreement, it is arguing through the
British courts that the people of Northern Ireland are
“automatically British” as we were “clearly born in the United
Kingdom”. The department regularly and repeatedly forces
British citizenship on Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland ...'

'... Theresa May has acknowledged that an incompatibility
between Home Office policies and commitments to the
Good Friday agreement exists.'
Post by Norman Wells
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
[...]
Norman Wells
2019-08-06 18:33:10 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by a "hard border".
For example, would you say that removing the right to have
both Irish and British citizenship, is a hardening of the border?
I personally would do away with this ludicrous provision, and everyone
currently entitled to dual citizenship should be made to choose just
one. But it's nothing to do with the border.

Having to show passports is.
Post by pensive hamster
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/06/home-office-british-citizenship-northern-ireland--good-friday-agreement
'... The people of Northern Ireland are unique within the UK
in that we have the birthright to identify and be accepted as
Irish or British or both. However, contrary to the statutory
duty on the Home Office to accept the birthright provisions
of the Good Friday agreement, it is arguing through the
British courts that the people of Northern Ireland are
“automatically British” as we were “clearly born in the United
Kingdom”. The department regularly and repeatedly forces
British citizenship on Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland ...'
'... Theresa May has acknowledged that an incompatibility
between Home Office policies and commitments to the
Good Friday agreement exists.'
If that's true, something needs to give then.
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Post by Norman Wells
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
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pensive hamster
2019-08-06 18:55:33 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
Perhaps you need to define what you mean by a "hard border".
For example, would you say that removing the right to have
both Irish and British citizenship, is a hardening of the border?
I personally would do away with this ludicrous provision, and everyone
currently entitled to dual citizenship should be made to choose just
one.
I gather that would be contrary to the provisions of the GFA
Post by Norman Wells
But it's nothing to do with the border.
Having to show passports is.
I note you say "passports" (plural).

This is my British passport, and this is my Irish one ...
Post by Norman Wells
Post by pensive hamster
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/06/home-office-british-citizenship-northern-ireland--good-friday-agreement
'... The people of Northern Ireland are unique within the UK
in that we have the birthright to identify and be accepted as
Irish or British or both. However, contrary to the statutory
duty on the Home Office to accept the birthright provisions
of the Good Friday agreement, it is arguing through the
British courts that the people of Northern Ireland are
“automatically British” as we were “clearly born in the United
Kingdom”. The department regularly and repeatedly forces
British citizenship on Irish citizens born in Northern Ireland ...'
'... Theresa May has acknowledged that an incompatibility
between Home Office policies and commitments to the
Good Friday agreement exists.'
If that's true, something needs to give then.
Yup.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by pensive hamster
Post by Norman Wells
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
[...]
Pamela
2019-08-06 16:51:04 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
On 3 Aug 2019, Pamela wrote (in article
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now
progressed to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not
hard to imagine how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it
be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-
with-uk-unless-digital-tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing
threats and pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even
started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
Rather than start an argument by trolling about this, why don't you just
say the GFA doesn't mention the border but it was implied by later
understandings about the spirit of the agreement? Sigh.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let's just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually
beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their
friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of
course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever. Have you never done that?
A hormonal teenager will be nothing compared to post-Brexit angst as the
country goes to the dogs.
Norman Wells
2019-08-06 18:25:23 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
Rather than start an argument by trolling about this, why don't you just
say the GFA doesn't mention the border
... which it doesn't.
Post by Pamela
but it was implied by later
understandings about the spirit of the agreement?
... which it wasn't.
Post by Pamela
Sigh.
Sigh as much as you like, but you're actually disagreeing with Mark and
agreeing with me that a hard border will not in fact be abandoning the
peace treaty in Ireland.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let's just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually
beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their
friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of
course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever. Have you never done that?
A hormonal teenager will be nothing compared to post-Brexit angst as the
country goes to the dogs.
From one who thinks that all trade with the EU will cease the instant
we leave the EU, I don't think we need to take that very seriously.
Pamela
2019-08-07 08:22:41 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
Rather than start an argument by trolling about this, why don't you
just say the GFA doesn't mention the border
... which it doesn't.
Post by Pamela
but it was implied by later understandings about the spirit of the
agreement?
... which it wasn't.
Post by Pamela
Sigh.
Sigh as much as you like, but you're actually disagreeing with Mark and
agreeing with me that a hard border will not in fact be abandoning the
peace treaty in Ireland.
I sigh at your peristent trolling. You are quite a nasty piece of work.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let's just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of
their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and
of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever. Have you never done that?
A hormonal teenager will be nothing compared to post-Brexit angst as
the country goes to the dogs.
From one who thinks that all trade with the EU will cease the instant
we leave the EU, I don't think we need to take that very seriously.
More fake information from you. You didn't understand it the first time I
told you and you don't understand it now even though I explained it to you
again and so have others. Take your trolling elsewhere.
Norman Wells
2019-08-07 09:25:08 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
Rather than start an argument by trolling about this, why don't you
just say the GFA doesn't mention the border
... which it doesn't.
Post by Pamela
but it was implied by later understandings about the spirit of the
agreement?
... which it wasn't.
Post by Pamela
Sigh.
Sigh as much as you like, but you're actually disagreeing with Mark and
agreeing with me that a hard border will not in fact be abandoning the
peace treaty in Ireland.
I sigh at your peristent trolling. You are quite a nasty piece of work.
Someone has to correct your frequent misunderstandings.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let's just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of
their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and
of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever. Have you never done that?
A hormonal teenager will be nothing compared to post-Brexit angst as
the country goes to the dogs.
From one who thinks that all trade with the EU will cease the instant
we leave the EU, I don't think we need to take that very seriously.
More fake information from you. You didn't understand it the first time I
told you and you don't understand it now even though I explained it to you
again and so have others. Take your trolling elsewhere.
I understood perfectly well what you said. If you didn't believe what
you said then you were pushing Project Fear, which is just as
reprehensible.
Pamela
2019-08-07 17:06:02 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon
the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
Rather than start an argument by trolling about this, why don't you
just say the GFA doesn't mention the border
... which it doesn't.
Post by Pamela
but it was implied by later understandings about the spirit of the
agreement?
... which it wasn't.
Post by Pamela
Sigh.
Sigh as much as you like, but you're actually disagreeing with Mark
and agreeing with me that a hard border will not in fact be abandoning
the peace treaty in Ireland.
I sigh at your peristent trolling. You are quite a nasty piece of work.
Someone has to correct your frequent misunderstandings.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let's just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free
trade agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually
beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of
their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones
and of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on
our own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own
independent lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling
domesticity before we're trapped in it forever. Have you never done
that?
A hormonal teenager will be nothing compared to post-Brexit angst as
the country goes to the dogs.
From one who thinks that all trade with the EU will cease the instant
we leave the EU, I don't think we need to take that very seriously.
More fake information from you. You didn't understand it the first
time I told you and you don't understand it now even though I explained
it to you again and so have others. Take your trolling elsewhere.
I understood perfectly well what you said. If you didn't believe what
you said then you were pushing Project Fear, which is just as
reprehensible.
The only true Project Fear I'm aware of is the extreme demonisation of the
EU by Brexiteers.
R. Mark Clayton
2019-08-06 16:53:17 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever.
Have you never done that?
When I was 17, although strictly legal terms the university I registered with was in 'loco parentis' and I was their ward (instead of my parents') until my 18th birthday.

I suppose your parents were glad to be rid of you...

However the analogy is more like leaving your wife, family, friends, community and business associates and running off to join the circus.
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-06 16:58:13 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
R. Mark Clayton
2019-08-06 17:09:50 UTC
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Post by Grikboxer®™
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-06 17:47:27 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 09:53:17 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.

Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
The Peeler
2019-08-06 18:20:22 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by Grikboxer®™
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
Darn, if it weren't for that demented senile Remoaner, you'd have no one who
took your idiotic baits, eh, Razovic, you absolutely hilarious "Brit" and
"WASP" wannabe? <BG>
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"That [referring to the term "consenting adults"] is just an outdated legal
construct. Are you telling me that a 13-year old who spends 15 hours a day
on Facebook is incapable of consent?"
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pensive hamster
2019-08-06 18:43:21 UTC
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Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
There doesn't seem to be an Asda in Londonderry.

https://storelocator.asda.com/#!/
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-06 18:54:33 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 11:43:21 -0700 (PDT), pensive hamster
Post by pensive hamster
[...]
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
There doesn't seem to be an Asda in Londonderry.
https://storelocator.asda.com/#!/
There was.
pensive hamster
2019-08-06 19:12:02 UTC
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Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by pensive hamster
[...]
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
There doesn't seem to be an Asda in Londonderry.
https://storelocator.asda.com/#!/
There was.
You used to shop there?
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-06 19:47:33 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 12:12:02 -0700 (PDT), pensive hamster
Post by pensive hamster
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by pensive hamster
[...]
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
There doesn't seem to be an Asda in Londonderry.
https://storelocator.asda.com/#!/
There was.
You used to shop there?
Never. Asda is for the proletariat.
Peeler
2019-08-06 19:50:40 UTC
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On Tue, 06 Aug 2019 12:47:33 -0700, clinically insane, pedophilic, serbian
bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by pensive hamster
Post by Grikboxer®™
There was.
You used to shop there?
Never. Asda is for the proletariat.
You mean it's not for psychopaths like you. Oh, and thanks for ADMITTING
that you made it all up again, idiot!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Why do we still have outdated laws prohibiting paedophilia? Do you
seriously think that a 12-year old who spends 15 hours a day on Facebook
doesn't know what's going on?"
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Peeler
2019-08-06 19:22:10 UTC
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bitch Razovic, the resident psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by pensive hamster
Post by Grikboxer®™
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
There doesn't seem to be an Asda in Londonderry.
https://storelocator.asda.com/#!/
There was.
IOW, there isn't and there wasn't, psychopath!
--
Pedophilic dreckserb Razovic arguing in favour of pedophilia, again:
"Isn't it time that paedophiles were admitted to the LGBTQ rainbow?
Now that every other sexual deviation seems to have been accommodated?"
MID: <Y8LUE.513827$***@usenetxs.com>
R. Mark Clayton
2019-08-07 10:04:31 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
SNIP
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Indeed, other contraband includes drugs, most live animals, ivory etc. - things that are usually illegal to possess.
Post by Grikboxer®™
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
That is not contraband, just undeclared goods, although at present the border is open for usual goods.
Grikboxer®™
2019-08-07 12:54:30 UTC
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On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 03:04:31 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 10:09:50 -0700 (PDT), "R. Mark Clayton"
SNIP
Post by Grikboxer®™
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Grikboxer®™
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Largely true - they were there to prevent the flow of contraband more than to collect duty and prevent the entry of aliens.
Northbound contraband being mostly firearms, ammunition and
explosives.
Indeed, other contraband includes drugs, most live animals, ivory etc. - things that are usually illegal to possess.
Or are 'imported' without paying import duty / VAT.
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Post by Grikboxer®™
Southbound contraband being mostly proceeds of day shopping at Asda in
Londonderry by residents of the Republic.
That is not contraband, just undeclared goods, although at present the border is open for usual goods.
Anything smuggled without paying import duty / VAT is contraband. And
the 'border' is wide open for just about anything at present.

"imported or exported illegally, either in defiance of a total ban or
without payment of duty"
Peeler
2019-08-07 15:46:28 UTC
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Post by Grikboxer®™
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That is not contraband, just undeclared goods, although at present the
border is open for usual goods.
Anything smuggled without paying import duty / VAT is contraband. And
the 'border' is wide open for just about anything at present.
"imported or exported illegally, either in defiance of a total ban or
without payment of duty"
You just made that "definition" up again, psychopath! If not, provide your
SOURCE, hallucinating psycho!
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"That [referring to the term "consenting adults"] is just an outdated legal
construct. Are you telling me that a 13-year old who spends 15 hours a day
on Facebook is incapable of consent?"
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Peeler
2019-08-06 18:18:06 UTC
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fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them
have been demolished now.
Their purpose was more security concerns than Customs enforcement.
Are you sure, pedophilic psychopath? Psychopathically sure, again?
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"A lowering of the age of consent to reflect the rate at which today's
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Norman Wells
2019-08-06 18:37:45 UTC
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After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now progressed to
removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not hard to imagine how one
sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a new
digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not paying
their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that it be
ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-
tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing threats and
pre-conditions before the official negotiations have even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and quote
them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you have
the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?

No, I don't think it is.

It doesn't therefore answer the question.
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Post by Keema's Nan
Let’s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess produce and
like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever.
Have you never done that?
When I was 17, although strictly legal terms the university I registered with was in 'loco parentis' and I was their ward (instead of my parents') until my 18th birthday.
I suppose your parents were glad to be rid of you...
Growing up and leaving home is a milestone in anyone's development.
It's one of those things that has to be done.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
However the analogy is more like leaving your wife, family, friends, community and business associates and running off to join the circus.
No, it's more of realising what you want and going for it.
Pamela
2019-08-07 08:24:14 UTC
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After Trump's success with removing our ambassador, he's now
progressed to removing British tax laws he doesn't like. It's not
hard to imagine how one sided a US-UK trade deal would be.
The US will not negotiate a free trade deal with the UK unless a
new digital services tax is dropped, according to a newspaper
report.
The measure, which was proposed in 2018 by then chancellor Philip
Hammond in response to fears that technology giants were not
paying their fair share of tax, is due to come into effect in
April next year.
But US President Donald Trump's administration is demanding that
it be ditched, The Daily Telegraph has reported.
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-
unles
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
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s-digital- tax-scrapped-report-11776240
It can hardly be called a trade ‘deal’ if one side is issuing
threats and pre-conditions before the official negotiations have
even started.
You mean as the EU did about our leaving?
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them
have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border. Do
you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Let'™s just call them trade bullyings. You will have our excess
produce and like it.
We don't have to agree to them. We don't have to have a free trade
agreement with the USA. And we won't unless it is mutually beneficial.
Well we are quitting a trade deal with 27 countries and 70 odd of
their friends so we sure as hell are going to need some new ones and
of course Laim got them all lined up for after we do leave.
Oh whoops no he hasn't and he's left... ... us in the lurch.
You're sounding like a hormonal teenager now, sobbing about losing friends.
We're leaving home. We're setting out into the big wide world on our
own now, forging adult relationships and pursuing our own independent
lives. We're moving on from mum and dad's stifling domesticity before
we're trapped in it forever.
Have you never done that?
When I was 17, although strictly legal terms the university I
registered with was in 'loco parentis' and I was their ward (instead of
my parents') until my 18th birthday.
I suppose your parents were glad to be rid of you...
Growing up and leaving home is a milestone in anyone's development.
It's one of those things that has to be done.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
However the analogy is more like leaving your wife, family, friends,
community and business associates and running off to join the circus.
No, it's more of realising what you want and going for it.
Norman Wells
2019-08-07 09:31:13 UTC
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The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them
have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him to
see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Pamela
2019-08-07 17:07:27 UTC
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The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them
have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him to
see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the facts out
in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted debate.
Norman Wells
2019-08-07 17:54:36 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon the
peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think you
have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of them
have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him to
see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the facts out
in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted debate.
What 'facts'?

No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a hard
border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise, like Mark,
to prove it. As I asked.

That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
Pamela
2019-08-07 18:15:25 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon
the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think
you have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of
them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him to
see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the
facts out in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted
debate.
What 'facts'?
No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a hard
border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise, like Mark,
to prove it. As I asked.
That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
The fact is there's no explicit reference to the border in the GFA.

Or do you disagree?
Norman Wells
2019-08-07 20:11:26 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to abandon
the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly which
provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard border, and
quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think
you have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most of
them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him to
see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the
facts out in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted
debate.
What 'facts'?
No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a hard
border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise, like Mark,
to prove it. As I asked.
That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
The fact is there's no explicit reference to the border in the GFA.
Or do you disagree?
I don't believe there is, but there's no way I can prove it. Someone
who thinks there is can prove it. It therefore falls to them to do so.
Pamela
2019-08-08 14:05:07 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly
which provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard
border, and quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think
you have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most
of them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him
to see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the
facts out in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted
debate.
What 'facts'?
No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a hard
border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise, like
Mark, to prove it. As I asked.
That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
The fact is there's no explicit reference to the border in the GFA.
Or do you disagree?
I don't believe there is, but there's no way I can prove it.
It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your benefit.
It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement then the
agreement doesn't contain it.
Post by Norman Wells
Someone who thinks there is can prove it. It therefore falls to them to
do so.
That's how trolls operate.
Norman Wells
2019-08-08 16:23:06 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly
which provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard
border, and quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't think
you have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to be
fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago, most
of them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him
to see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the
facts out in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted
debate.
What 'facts'?
No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a hard
border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise, like
Mark, to prove it. As I asked.
That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
The fact is there's no explicit reference to the border in the GFA.
Or do you disagree?
I don't believe there is, but there's no way I can prove it.
It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your benefit.
It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement then the
agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?

I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I am,
which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a single
reference.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Someone who thinks there is can prove it. It therefore falls to them to
do so.
That's how trolls operate.
Pamela
2019-08-09 07:17:42 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
Post by R. Mark Clayton
The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland.
You seem to know an awful lot about it. So, tell us exactly
which provisions of the Good Friday agreement forbids a hard
border, and quote them please.
You see, I don't think you've ever looked at it. I don't
think you have the faintest idea what it says.
I don't think you have ever been to the border - there used to
be fotress style customs posts - they closed two decades ago,
most of them have been demolished now.
Is that a quote from the GFA, as I asked?
No, I don't think it is.
It doesn't therefore answer the question.
We all know the GFA doesn't make explicit reference to a hard border.
The trouble is, Mark doesn't seem to agree. I'm trying to get him
to see the truth, which is what you and I agree on.
Post by Pamela
Do you think Mark is going to get sucked into your troll?
I see no troll. I see only honest debate.
Yours is a dishonest debate because you deliberately don't lay the
facts out in order to draw someone into an unnecessarily protracted
debate.
What 'facts'?
No-one can prove a negative such as there are no references to a
hard border in the GFA. It falls to anyone who thinks otherwise,
like Mark, to prove it. As I asked.
That's how honest debate works, Pammy.
The fact is there's no explicit reference to the border in the GFA.
Or do you disagree?
I don't believe there is, but there's no way I can prove it.
It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your
benefit. It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement
then the agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?
The proof it is not there is that it is not there. It's a simple matter
of reading English.
Post by Norman Wells
I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I am,
which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a single
reference.
There are articles about it not being there.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
Someone who thinks there is can prove it. It therefore falls to them
to do so.
That's how trolls operate.
Norman Wells
2019-08-09 08:03:01 UTC
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It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your
benefit. It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement
then the agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?
The proof it is not there is that it is not there. It's a simple matter
of reading English.
Then I've proved it. Thank you.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I am,
which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a single
reference.
There are articles about it not being there.
So, perhaps you can say why Mark said earlier:

"The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland."

He's gone awfully quiet.
Pamela
2019-08-09 09:57:38 UTC
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It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your
benefit. It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement
then the agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?
The proof it is not there is that it is not there. It's a simple matter
of reading English.
Then I've proved it. Thank you.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I am,
which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a single
reference.
There are articles about it not being there.
"The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland."
He's gone awfully quiet.
Mark no doubt knows Republican dissidents have connected an open border with
the GFA.
Norman Wells
2019-08-09 14:45:33 UTC
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Post by Pamela
It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your
benefit. It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the agreement
then the agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?
The proof it is not there is that it is not there. It's a simple matter
of reading English.
Then I've proved it. Thank you.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I am,
which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a single
reference.
There are articles about it not being there.
"The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland."
He's gone awfully quiet.
Mark no doubt knows Republican dissidents have connected an open border with
the GFA.
I never realised he was an IRA-sympathiser.
Pamela
2019-08-09 15:43:35 UTC
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It's strange that you say you can't prove the GFA doesn't contain a
reference to the border. Let me explain how it works it for your
benefit. It's simple enough -- if the reference is not in the
agreement then the agreement doesn't contain it.
Well, I don't think there is such a reference. But how can anyone
*prove* that there isn't?
The proof it is not there is that it is not there. It's a simple
matter of reading English.
Then I've proved it. Thank you.
Post by Pamela
Post by Norman Wells
I was actually being very fair in allowing that, in this instance, I
could be wrong, and leaving it open for you or Mark to show that I
am, which could be done very easily if I am. All it takes is a
single reference.
There are articles about it not being there.
"The sticking point seems to be that the EU won't agree to
abandon the peace treaty in Ireland."
He's gone awfully quiet.
Mark no doubt knows Republican dissidents have connected an open border
with the GFA.
I never realised he was an IRA-sympathiser.
Are you saying he is?

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