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Stephen Cole
2019-09-04 15:54:24 UTC
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass, and then be rushed through to the
statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal (at least
until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the
imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible
can finally be done with this dire shitshow).

With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute
state of Labour’s numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was
shortly thereafter revealed that they’d more or less tied with the Tories.
In other words; don’t believe their lies.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Keema's Nan
2019-09-04 16:23:03 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points
over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that
are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a
con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.

The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.

I’m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Post by Stephen Cole
and then be rushed through to the
statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal (at least
until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the
imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible
can finally be done with this dire shitshow).
With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute
state of Labour’s numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was
shortly thereafter revealed that they’d more or less tied with the Tories.
In other words; don’t believe their lies.
Brian Reay
2019-09-04 16:54:21 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I’m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Steve is just attention seeking.

If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies.

Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's
options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the
most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before.
MM
2019-09-05 08:49:28 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I’m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Steve is just attention seeking.
If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies.
Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's
options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the
most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before.
He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame
duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election
after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned
filibuster earlier today.

The Bill will become law on Monday.

MM
Stephen Cole
2019-09-05 08:52:46 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I’m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Steve is just attention seeking.
If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies.
Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's
options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the
most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before.
He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame
duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election
after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned
filibuster earlier today.
The Bill will become law on Monday.
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly
been proven to be massively wrong. He’s got absolutely atrocious political
instincts.
--
M0TEY // STC
www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur
Rambo
2019-09-05 19:19:36 UTC
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On 5 Sep 2019 08:52:46 GMT, Stephen Cole
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by MM
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points
over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that
are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a
con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I?m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Steve is just attention seeking.
If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies.
Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's
options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the
most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before.
He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame
duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election
after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned
filibuster earlier today.
The Bill will become law on Monday.
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly
been proven to be massively wrong. He’s got absolutely atrocious political
instincts.
Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political
correspondant?
Pamela
2019-09-05 19:24:14 UTC
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On 5 Sep 2019 08:52:46 GMT, Stephen Cole
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Post by Keema's Nan
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
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Post by Rambo
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by MM
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the
case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension,
hands in his resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election
(which requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to
stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why
Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to
the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons
AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour
consider giving in to Boris's election wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with
10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing
conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-
reports/2019/09/03
Post by Rambo
Post by Stephen Cole
Post by MM
Post by Brian Reay
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
/votin g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would
restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and
there would have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's
trickery today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal
Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated
this afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I?m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Steve is just attention seeking.
If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies.
Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of
Corbyn's options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is
going to be the most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which
was been used before.
He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame
duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election
after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned
filibuster earlier today.
The Bill will become law on Monday.
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly
been proven to be massively wrong. He’s got absolutely atrocious
political instincts.
Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political
correspondant?
last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too
many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the
better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere
similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper.
Marland
2019-09-06 20:22:23 UTC
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Post by Rambo
Post by Stephen Cole
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly
been proven to be massively wrong. He’s got absolutely atrocious
political instincts.
Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political
correspondant?
last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too
many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the
better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere
similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper.
It was a reasonably ordinary Hampshire town till it was unfortunately
chosen to be a London overspill location and the dross from East London
Council estates sent there approximately 55 years ago which swamped it
,given the propensity of such people to replicate themselves amongst the
same circle of acquaintances as they reach 14 we are nearly on the the 4th
wave of inbreds .
At least Andover which suffered a similar fate had the squaddies from the
camps on Salisbury plain visiting on a night out to provide some different
genes when they inseminated the underage schoolgirls though the result has
lead to quite a few illegitimate thugs over the years.


GH
Pamela
2019-09-07 09:32:37 UTC
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Post by Pamela
Post by Rambo
Post by Stephen Cole
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly
been proven to be massively wrong. He’s got absolutely atrocious
political instincts.
Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political
correspondant?
last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too
many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the
better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere
similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper.
It was a reasonably ordinary Hampshire town till it was unfortunately
chosen to be a London overspill location and the dross from East London
Council estates sent there approximately 55 years ago which swamped it
,given the propensity of such people to replicate themselves amongst the
same circle of acquaintances as they reach 14 we are nearly on the the 4th
wave of inbreds .
At least Andover which suffered a similar fate had the squaddies from the
camps on Salisbury plain visiting on a night out to provide some different
genes when they inseminated the underage schoolgirls though the result has
lead to quite a few illegitimate thugs over the years.
GH
I hadn't realise there was an influx of residents from East London to
basingstoke. I knew a friend who lived on the charmless Deepdene Estate and
it always seemed very characterless and with more chavs than normal. Best
thing about Basingstoke are the fast roads out of it.

Seems Brian Reay also has some sort of connection with the town.
Marland
2019-09-07 12:47:19 UTC
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last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too
many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the
better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere
similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper.
It was a reasonably ordinary Hampshire town till it was unfortunately
chosen to be a London overspill location and the dross from East London
Council estates sent there approximately 55 years ago which swamped it
,given the propensity of such people to replicate themselves amongst the
same circle of acquaintances as they reach 14 we are nearly on the the 4th
wave of inbreds .
I hadn't realise there was an influx of residents from East London to
basingstoke. I knew a friend who lived on the charmless Deepdene Estate and
it always seemed very characterless and with more chavs than normal. Best
thing about Basingstoke are the fast roads out of it.
To be fair it is probably getting better nowadays compared to about 30
years ago when I went there for work purposes a couple of times a week.

Hampshire CC located their milestone museum there which is a collection of
artefacts and displays from the counties industrial and social past , it
is no Beamish or Blackcountry Museum but is a good effort nevertheless.
https://www.milestonesmuseum.org.uk

Basing house on the outskirts is pleasant enough to visit if you like old
buildings and gardens.
https://www.hampshireculture.org.uk/basing-house

GH
Pamela
2019-09-05 06:33:00 UTC
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On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in
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That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would
restore a con majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats,
and then be 100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and
there would have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's
trickery today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I'm afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
I'm afraid it's you who has counted his chickens far too early.

The Lords are not going to filibuster the Bill and were never expected to.

Brexiteers often have unrealistic expectations.
Brian Gaff
2019-09-05 07:13:55 UTC
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You believe the polls? Ho ho, most people lie.
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
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On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
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On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo
strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in
the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in
his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general
election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to
stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords.
Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points
over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that
are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a
con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and
then
be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I'm afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Post by Stephen Cole
and then be rushed through to the
statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal (at least
until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the
imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible
can finally be done with this dire shitshow).
With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute
state of Labour's numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was
shortly thereafter revealed that they'd more or less tied with the
Tories.
In other words; don't believe their lies.
MM
2019-09-05 08:46:08 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points
over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that
are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a
con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
No, they're not, and no, it won't. At 01:30 a.m. approx the Tory
chief whip in the Lords anounced that they are abandoning the
filibuster and have accepted defeat.
Post by Keema's Nan
I’m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
I'm afraid you went to bed too early to keep abreast of developments.

MM
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-07 12:30:06 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I‘m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters.
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Norman Wells
2019-09-07 16:12:26 UTC
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Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
I‘m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters.
Prophecy is so easy with hindsight, isn't it?

But it's not a lot of use.
Dave Plowman (News)
2019-09-08 11:58:23 UTC
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Post by Dave Plowman (News)
Post by Keema's Nan
Post by Stephen Cole
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass,
Only in the Commons.
The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary
legislation will run out of time.
Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early.
Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters.
Prophecy is so easy with hindsight, isn't it?
But it's not a lot of use.
Prophecy based on a crystal ball - the Brexiteer standard - never is.
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Rod Speed
2019-09-04 20:09:31 UTC
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Post by Stephen Cole
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan
On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan
Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy;
as are many
others
like you.
Well I've talked about that elsewhere.
Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that
parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his
resignation.
As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an
election. If
the
PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which
requires
a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM.
Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore
2/3rds should
be
no problem.
Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to
the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded
tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have
been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after
the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election
wish.
MM
Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over
labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are
unlikely to be achieved :D
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/09/03/votin
g-intent
ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11-
That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con
majority without the DUP.
Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be
100 behind the Tories.
Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would
have to be a leadership contest.
Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game?
He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery
today.
You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound -
What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this
afternoon is almost certain to pass, and then be rushed through to the
statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal
But its not possible for any UK legislation to override the
provisions of Article 50 that it’s a no deal brexit without
parliament accepting what the EU offers.

The only UK legislation that can do that is revoking Article 50 and
there is no evidence that the current parliament will do that this week.
Post by Stephen Cole
(at least until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that
the imminent election will mix things up well enough that something
sensible can finally be done with this dire shitshow).
Its far from clear that there will be a general election before an automatic
Article 50 no deal brexit.
Post by Stephen Cole
With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute
state of Labour’s numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was
shortly thereafter revealed that they’d more or less tied with the Tories.
In other words; don’t believe their lies.
Not lies so much as difficult to poll accurately.
MM
2019-09-05 08:52:21 UTC
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<***@gmail.com> wrote:

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Post by Rod Speed
But its not possible for any UK legislation to override the
provisions of Article 50 that it’s a no deal brexit without
parliament accepting what the EU offers.
The only UK legislation that can do that is revoking Article 50 and
there is no evidence that the current parliament will do that this week.
Even Nigel Farage said this morning on BBC Breakfast that the
withdrawal deal was worse than staying in.

MM
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