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Omega
2018-08-06 08:37:21 UTC
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: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews" ... Merriam-Webster

What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism? Anybody?

If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?

omega
Farmer Giles
2018-08-06 08:53:42 UTC
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: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that view
would prove it not to be without substance.

Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.


GB
2018-08-06 09:28:48 UTC
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It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that view
would prove it not to be without substance.
Ah! Thank you for that insight. Could you tell me what particular
characteristics and activities you find most objectionable about me,
please?
Farmer Giles
2018-08-06 11:32:56 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Ah! Thank you for that insight. Could you tell me what particular
characteristics and activities you find most objectionable about me,
please?
Other than the fact that you ask stupid questions, I know nothing about you.
GB
2018-08-06 14:59:12 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by Farmer Giles
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Ah! Thank you for that insight. Could you tell me what particular
characteristics and activities you find most objectionable about me,
please?
Other than the fact that you ask stupid questions, I know nothing about you.
Yet, you state that most people find many of my characteristics and
activities objectionable. I was just asking which ones?

And I'm sorry you think that's a stupid question.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2018-08-06 14:14:04 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that view
would prove it not to be without substance.
Ah! Thank you for that insight. Could you tell me what particular
characteristics and activities you find most objectionable about me,
please?
Your jew behaviour and your abrasive/obnoxious jew 'personality'.
--

"You are full of shit. You'll never convince any of us real Jews that
there is no Jewish look. I know my people and I can see their
Jewishness. Susan is not a Jew. If you want to get down her panties
just ask her she'll let you. She's a non-Jew."
Message-ID: <bfbdb526-1042-4e8e-a39f-***@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>

"You can try all you want and get all the plastic surgery you want but
you'll never look like one of us because you are not a Jew. You are
an Irish Shiksa that Isn't even a righteous non-Jew a Ger Tzadeck You
are VEEDMUS amongst us and are a gentile. I would not be surprised if
you ever go to Eretz Israel and spout off your non-senseical lies that
a Jew doesn't kill you or a gentile murder you. You are wicked because
you antagonize and lie about the Tzadeckim. The best place for you is
scrubbing toilets and urinals in a gymnasium that is predominate used
by Negros."
Message-ID: <ee17d097-89f7-4e72-a41a-***@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

- drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish, mocking neo-jew Suzy KKKohen's
attempted 'conversion' to the jew race

"Warren is not well. He's a non-Jewish mental patient who usually declines to
take his medications. Please keep this in mind when viewing future posts."
Message-ID: <JZQTk.1726$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>

- neo-jew 'convert' Suzy KKKohen, mocking drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish's
claim to be a jew
Sick old nazoid pedo Andrew "Andrzej" Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson")
2018-08-06 14:21:33 UTC
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A shiteating cowardly nazoid sub-louse PEDO named Andrew "Andrzej"
Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson"/etc") wrote:

[flush]

LOL! We KNOW why you're MAD as hell, old nazoid pedo!

On the one hand... so many Jewish geniuses:

"Nobel Prizes have been awarded to 892 individuals, of whom 201 were Jewish
descent, or 22.5%, although Jews comprise less than 0.2% of the world's
population."

On the other hand... old pedo Andrew "Andrzej" Baron, a pathetic sub-louse,
who made a "living" peddling pirated, defective software in London:

<quote>

Original Microsoft CD in jewel case with CD key sticker on the back.
Full version.
GBP 30=00 incl recorded delivery postage.
(sorry, spamtrap in original message)
e-mail to: ***@ukgateway.net

</quote>

How's that blood pressure now, old pedo Andrzej? LOL!!
The Peeler
2018-08-06 15:52:07 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:14:04 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by GB
Ah! Thank you for that insight. Could you tell me what particular
characteristics and activities you find most objectionable about me,
please?
Your jew behaviour and your abrasive/obnoxious jew 'personality'.
Stop projecting your OWN depraved behaviour and your OWN
"abrasive/obnoxious" slav personality onto all those that you feel
are way superior to you, you filthy degenerate serb peasant!
--
Retarded, anal, subnormal and extremely proud of it: our resident
psychopath, dumb serbian bitch G. Razovic (aka "The Rectum").
Tim
2018-08-06 09:43:14 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that view
would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic to
thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
The Todal
2018-08-06 10:46:58 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic to
thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.

The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to do
with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom to
criticise Israel.

If we're talking about antisemitism in the Labour Party, you're not
allowed to say that there isn't any, or there's hardly any, because
apparently it's antisemitic to say that.

As a Labour Party member (and Corbyn supporter) I haven't encountered
any antisemitism in the Labour Party, in any meetings or rallies. But
apparently my experience counts for nothing. I haven't attended any
meetings where Israel/Palestine was discussed and criticisms were made
of Israel. All the discussions I've seen are about British economic
policy. Apparently some people (maybe in student meetings) have
attended meetings and heard criticisms of Israel that include
antisemitic remarks. There are also many trolls in social media who make
antisemitic remarks. The vast majority are anonymous and are probably
not members of the Labour Party. I've also noticed a few
agents-provocateurs who appear out of nowhere, try to get an antisemitic
conversation going, then disappear. I expect they are probably journalists.

There is nothing that Corbyn could now say, that would win back the
support of right wing and centrist jews. They all want him gone. As for
the left wing jews, a substantial number remain loyal to Corbyn. Others
say that they loathe him and want to see him replaced with someone else
such as Chuka Umunna or Hilary Benn. Their reasons for loathing him
usually seem to include his past criticisms of Israel's behaviour, which
they choose to interpret as antisemitism.
Brian Reay
2018-08-06 11:04:21 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by Tim
Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to do
with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom to
criticise Israel.
That is would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic.

Left have a long history of persecuting Jews- it was all too prevalent
in the USSR- dressed up under Stalin as a campaign against the
'rootless cosmopolitans' and it lives on in the UK within Labour.

I suggest you visit one of the Museums in Vienna and see just how
endemic anti-semitism is engrained in the left, let alone the rest of
society.
The Todal
2018-08-06 11:14:15 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by The Todal
Post by Tim
Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really
expect others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to
do with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom
to criticise Israel.
That is would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic.
Left have a long history of persecuting Jews- it was all too prevalent
in the USSR- dressed up under Stalin as a campaign against the 'rootless
cosmopolitans'  and it lives on in the UK within Labour.
I suggest you visit one of the Museums in Vienna and see just how
endemic anti-semitism is engrained in the left, let alone the rest of
society.
I suggest you refrain from commenting on matters you clearly know
nothing about. You're part of the problem, not the solution. You blather
on about how left wingers hate jews, in order to prove that Corbyn must
be antisemitic. Your views are therefore based on prejudice and
misconception.

I suggest you get yourself better informed by attending Labour Party
meetings and reading the discussions about the IHRA definition. I know
it's boring if you aren't really interested.
abelard
2018-08-06 15:26:32 UTC
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I suggest you get yourself better informed by attending Labour Party
meetings...
congratulations, you get the best loon of the week award

better ask the pope about sex shenanigans among the
priesthood while you're about it

treat all religions 'equally' including socialism
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tim...
2018-08-06 11:30:51 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
Post by Omega
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews" ... Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism? Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact that
most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that view
would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic to
thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to do
with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom to
criticise Israel.
That is would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic.
Left have a long history of persecuting Jews- it was all too prevalent in
the USSR- dressed up under Stalin as a campaign against the 'rootless
cosmopolitans' and it lives on in the UK within Labour.
and even in the US

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039416/
The Todal
2018-08-06 12:43:48 UTC
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Post by Brian Reay
Post by The Todal
Post by Tim
Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...
Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really
expect others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to
do with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom
to criticise Israel.
That is would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic.
Left have a long history of persecuting Jews- it was all too prevalent
in the USSR- dressed up under Stalin as a campaign against the
'rootless cosmopolitans'  and it lives on in the UK within Labour.
and even in the US
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039416/
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites. And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/

In Israel, journalists regularly print strong criticisms of their
government in terms that would be unthinkable in the UK. Any journalist
in the UK would assume that this sort of talk is antisemitic, or would
offend the jewish readers in Britain, which amounts to the same thing.

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-why-it-s-now-every-american-jew-s-duty-to-oppose-israel-s-government-1.6342202

Why It's Now Every American Jew's Duty to Oppose Israel's Government

Netanyahu's zealous dissolution of democratic norms is a critical
moral and political mistake. It's leading U.S. Jews to question even
attenuated support for the Jewish state, while framing Israel as an
unreliable, undesirable ally for America

An increasing number of American Jews who were once almost seen to have
a duty to support Israel now found themselves, thanks to their American
values - those that held democracy and tolerance and human rights dear -
were now discovering they had a duty to question Israel’s top officials
and the policies they embraced.

I was wrong when I warned that generational issues were the game-changer
Israeli diplomats needed to contend with. The game-changer was the
zealotry of Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government itself.

The passage of the nation-state law attacks and effectively demolishes
every reason for supporting the state of Israel that once existed for
many American Jews and for an increasing number of Americans.

It puts the lie to the idea that Israel is a democracy by denying
full-privileges of citizenship to long-time residents within the borders
Israel controls.

It creates an apartheid society in which ethnic identity trumps
fundamental human rights.

Hardest still for many American Jews, it flies in the face of cherished
Jewish values and the lessons of Jewish history - so much so that it
makes Israel in many respects, an un-Jewish state.

David Rothkopf

David Rothkopf is a senior fellow at the Johns Hopkins University School
of Advanced International Studies and a visiting scholar at the Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace.
Smolley
2018-08-06 13:16:09 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Post by tim...
Post by Brian Reay
Post by The Todal
Post by Tim
Post by Farmer Giles
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...
Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really
expect others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to
do with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom
to criticise Israel.
That is would be laughable if it wasn't such a serious topic.
Left have a long history of persecuting Jews- it was all too prevalent
in the USSR- dressed up under Stalin as a campaign against the
'rootless cosmopolitans'  and it lives on in the UK within Labour.
and even in the US
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039416/
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites. And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/donald-trumps-anti-semitism-controversies-a-timeline/
In Israel, journalists regularly print strong criticisms of their
government in terms that would be unthinkable in the UK. Any journalist
in the UK would assume that this sort of talk is antisemitic, or would
offend the jewish readers in Britain, which amounts to the same thing.
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-why-it-s-now-every-american-jew-s-duty-to-oppose-israel-s-
government-1.6342202
Post by The Todal
Why It's Now Every American Jew's Duty to Oppose Israel's Government
Netanyahu's zealous dissolution of democratic norms is a critical
moral and political mistake. It's leading U.S. Jews to question even
attenuated support for the Jewish state, while framing Israel as an
unreliable, undesirable ally for America
An increasing number of American Jews who were once almost seen to have
a duty to support Israel now found themselves, thanks to their American
values - those that held democracy and tolerance and human rights dear -
were now discovering they had a duty to question Israel’s top officials
and the policies they embraced.
I was wrong when I warned that generational issues were the game-changer
Israeli diplomats needed to contend with. The game-changer was the
zealotry of Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israeli government itself.
The passage of the nation-state law attacks and effectively demolishes
every reason for supporting the state of Israel that once existed for
many American Jews and for an increasing number of Americans.
It puts the lie to the idea that Israel is a democracy by denying
full-privileges of citizenship to long-time residents within the borders
Israel controls.
It creates an apartheid society in which ethnic identity trumps
fundamental human rights.
Hardest still for many American Jews, it flies in the face of cherished
Jewish values and the lessons of Jewish history - so much so that it
makes Israel in many respects, an un-Jewish state.
David Rothkopf
David Rothkopf is a senior fellow at the Johns Hopkins University School
of Advanced International Studies and a visiting scholar at the Carnegie
Endowment for International Peace.
That is where the jewish identitiy is fragmented. As the self proclaimed children of god they should be more resilient.
abelard
2018-08-06 15:30:38 UTC
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...

that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
--
www.abelard.org
Brian Reay
2018-08-06 15:37:10 UTC
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Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I'm sure that will come in time ;-)
abelard
2018-08-06 15:45:51 UTC
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I'm sure that will come in time ;-)
he's a caricature...
that's a good part of why i don't kf him

i'm surprised he doesn't organise an invasion of 'momentum'
children and other crackpots

what is happening to fascist 'new' labour...even out bnp
brothers here are better organised!
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The Todal
2018-08-06 17:44:39 UTC
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
    of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
     family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I'm sure that will come in time ;-)
I think if you're sure about something it's probably a guarantee that
you're wrong.
The Todal
2018-08-06 17:37:30 UTC
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Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.

I think the only thing relevant to you is your own navel which you
contemplate incessantly, and your anus into which you regularly retreat.
Post by abelard
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I can speak from personal knowledge about what's going on in the Labour
Party. What exactly is your area of expertise? I've never known you to
comment on a topic which you actually understand.
Brian Reay
2018-08-06 17:45:31 UTC
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Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
    of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
I think the only thing relevant to you is your own navel which you
contemplate incessantly, and your anus into which you regularly retreat.
Post by abelard
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
     family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I can speak from personal knowledge about what's going on in the Labour
Party. What exactly is your area of expertise? I've never known you to
comment on a topic which you actually understand.
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
abelard
2018-08-06 18:38:24 UTC
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
    of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
I think the only thing relevant to you is your own navel which you
contemplate incessantly, and your anus into which you regularly retreat.
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that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
     family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I can speak from personal knowledge about what's going on in the Labour
Party. What exactly is your area of expertise? I've never known you to
comment on a topic which you actually understand.
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
religious enthusiasts are like that commonly
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
    of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
I think the only thing relevant to you is your own navel which you
contemplate incessantly, and your anus into which you regularly retreat.
Post by abelard
that should fool everyone
Post by The Todal
And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
     family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I can speak from personal knowledge about what's going on in the
Labour Party. What exactly is your area of expertise? I've never known
you to comment on a topic which you actually understand.
Your arrogance never ceases to amaze me.
Sorry to hear that. Haven't they offered you any medication to help you?
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It's unlike you to go in for ad hominem attacks, Todal. You must be
getting frustrated at getting your point across.

I was sitting opposite a non-religious Jewish Momentum member at a
Jewish supper the other day. She said that she had not been subject to
antisemitic attacks within the Labour Party personally, but she then
described various things that had been said to her which she dismissed
as just rude but which sounded pretty close to the bone to me. Maybe
some people involved in politics are just a lot more thick-skinned than
others?

There is certainly a concern amongst Jews that antisemites attack Israel
and Zionism as a smokescreen for getting at Jews. That doesn't mean that
Israel is, or ought to be, beyond criticism, but just bear in mind the
company you are keeping.

Israel is a rather small country, yet it gets an awful lot of attention.
And, whilst its behaviour towards its neighbours is poor by European
standards, it is impeccable by the standards of the Middle East.
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It's unlike you to go in for ad hominem attacks, Todal.
No, it isn't. He always reverts to such attacks when his arguments fail.
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You must be
getting frustrated at getting your point across.
As I said, his arguments have failed.
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It's unlike you to go in for ad hominem attacks, Todal.
No, it isn't. He always reverts to such attacks when his arguments fail.
You regularly resort to ad hominem attacks - maybe you need to consult a
dictionary to refresh your memory of the meaning of this term.
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You must be
getting frustrated at getting your point across.
As I said, his arguments have failed.
I'm not bothered whether you find any of my arguments convincing. I'm
addressing them to someone else, not to you.
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It's unlike you to go in for ad hominem attacks, Todal.
No, it isn't. He always reverts to such attacks when his arguments fail.
You regularly resort to ad hominem attacks - maybe you need to consult a
dictionary to refresh your memory of the meaning of this term.
In fact, it is quite rare for me to do so these days although I do reserve
their occasional use for those whose behaviour warrants criticism. In any
event, what I do has absolutely no bearing on my above point and it is rather
ironic for you to come out with a further ad hominem when being criticised for
the very same.
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Post by GB
You must be
getting frustrated at getting your point across.
As I said, his arguments have failed.
I'm not bothered whether you find any of my arguments convincing. I'm
addressing them to someone else, not to you.
Might I remind you that this is a public forum and I was in fact addressing GB
for the purpose of elucidation in light of his apparent confusion.
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It's unlike you to go in for ad hominem attacks, Todal. You must be
getting frustrated at getting your point across.
Not at all.

If I called you "arrogant" for explaining something about your job or
your social life, I think you'd either ignore it or point out that the
problem is theirs rather than yours.
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I was sitting opposite a non-religious Jewish Momentum member at a
Jewish supper the other day. She said that she had not been subject to
antisemitic attacks within the Labour Party personally, but she then
described various things that had been said to her which she dismissed
as just rude but which sounded pretty close to the bone to me.
What things? Said by whom and in what venue? What do you mean by close
to the bone?
Post by GB
Maybe
some people involved in politics are just a lot more thick-skinned than
others?
I think some people are more reasonable and open to debate and others -
John Mann, Margaret Hodge, John Woodcock - think it's okay to be fucking
rude to people, expect a round of applause for their conduct and then
cry antisemitism if anyone calls them out on their behaviour.
Post by GB
There is certainly a concern amongst Jews that antisemites attack Israel
and Zionism as a smokescreen for getting at Jews.
There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right wing
or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as extremely
important in their lives. As Jonathan Freedland has written in the
Guardian: "Second, that while so many may wish to draw a clear, bright
line between Jews and Israel so that you can hate the latter while
showing no hostility to the former, it is a bit fuzzier than that.
Because the idea of Israel – not the concrete reality, but the idea of
Israel and Zion and Jerusalem – is so deeply woven into Jewish tradition
and culture that it’s there in the very words we utter at the most
intimate moments of our lives."

He speaks for himself and no doubt for some other jews. For other jews,
Israel is virtually irrelevant. It is presumptuous and impertinent for
anyone to claim to speak for all jews.
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That doesn't mean that
Israel is, or ought to be, beyond criticism, but just bear in mind the
company you are keeping.
The company I am keeping is left wing Labour supporting jews. Here they are:

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/

In turn, I would remind you to bear in mind the company you are keeping.
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Israel is a rather small country, yet it gets an awful lot of attention.
And, whilst its behaviour towards its neighbours is poor by European
standards, it is impeccable by the standards of the Middle East.
England is a rather small country yet it gets an awful lot of attention.
Your point is not clearly made.

You are probably trying to tell me that Corbyn and his mates are
obsessed with Israel and in particular, with criticising Israel. That
isn't true. Corbyn's critics have had to scrape the barrel for examples
of anything hostile Corbyn has said about Israel. Bits and pieces going
back fifteen, twenty years. Currently the Labour Party is concerned
about the British econcomy, the NHS, Brexit, social care, austerity.
Israel is a virtual irrelevance. Until the pro-Israeli lobby, the Labour
Friends of Israel and the Tory Friends of Israel keep bleating on about
alleged antisemitism and poor old Israel and how we must preserve this
beacon of democracy in a desert full of savages.

Where's all the Labour Party antisemitism? I've only seen about a
handful of examples of real Labour Party members having said anything
that was blatantly antisemitic.
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What things? Said by whom and in what venue? What do you mean by close
to the bone?
It was a private party, and I'm not going to repeat exactly what was
said, nor name the lady. Close to the bone = had racist overtones but
not explicit.

There was a LibDem present who is very active in politics and they both
obviously knew each other but refused to say a word to one another.
Homicidal looks were exchanged!
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Post by GB
There is certainly a concern amongst Jews that antisemites attack
Israel and Zionism as a smokescreen for getting at Jews.
There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right wing
or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as extremely
important in their lives.
No, amongst mainstream Jews, including many Labour Party members. And I
think there are quite a lot of non-Jews with the same views. And yes, of
course, most mainstream Jews see Israel as important in their lives.
Post by The Todal
As Jonathan Freedland has written in the
Guardian:  "Second, that while so many may wish to draw a clear, bright
line between Jews and Israel so that you can hate the latter while
showing no hostility to the former, it is a bit fuzzier than that.
Because the idea of Israel – not the concrete reality, but the idea of
Israel and Zion and Jerusalem – is so deeply woven into Jewish tradition
and culture that it’s there in the very words we utter at the most
intimate moments of our lives."
He speaks for himself and no doubt for some other jews.
He speaks for many, many other Jews. I am not at all religious, but I
entirely agree with what he said.
Post by The Todal
For other jews,
Israel is virtually irrelevant. It is presumptuous and impertinent for
anyone to claim to speak for all jews.
I think you might be in a very small minority. In fact, the amount you
go on about the iniquities of Israel is hard to square with the idea
that the place is irrelevant to you. On the contrary, I get the
impression that you are (not unreasonably) terribly disappointed that
the reality does not live up to your ideals.
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What things? Said by whom and in what venue? What do you mean by close
to the bone?
It was a private party, and I'm not going to repeat exactly what was
said, nor name the lady. Close to the bone = had racist overtones but
not explicit.
So there's really no point in alluding to it or claiming that anything
can be deduced from it.
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There was a LibDem present who is very active in politics and they both
obviously knew each other but refused to say a word to one another.
Homicidal looks were exchanged!
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Post by GB
There is certainly a concern amongst Jews that antisemites attack
Israel and Zionism as a smokescreen for getting at Jews.
There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right wing
or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as extremely
important in their lives.
No, amongst mainstream Jews, including many Labour Party members. And I
think there are quite a lot of non-Jews with the same views. And yes, of
course, most mainstream Jews see Israel as important in their lives.
There's no "of course" about it.

However, I wonder how you square what you've said with the contentious
IHRA definition-example.

"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media,
schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into
account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

snip

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the
alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own
nations."

It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?
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Post by The Todal
As Jonathan Freedland has written in the Guardian:  "Second, that
while so many may wish to draw a clear, bright line between Jews and
Israel so that you can hate the latter while showing no hostility to
the former, it is a bit fuzzier than that. Because the idea of Israel
– not the concrete reality, but the idea of Israel and Zion and
Jerusalem – is so deeply woven into Jewish tradition and culture that
it’s there in the very words we utter at the most intimate moments of
our lives."
He speaks for himself and no doubt for some other jews.
He speaks for many, many other Jews. I am not at all religious, but I
entirely agree with what he said.
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For other jews, Israel is virtually irrelevant. It is presumptuous and
impertinent for anyone to claim to speak for all jews.
I think you might be in a very small minority.
And I think I may be in the majority. Or in a minority consisting of
tens of thousands. Nobody knows.



In fact, the amount you
Post by GB
go on about the iniquities of Israel is hard to square with the idea
that the place is irrelevant to you. On the contrary, I get the
impression that you are (not unreasonably) terribly disappointed that
the reality does not live up to your ideals.
I rarely mention the "iniquities of Israel" and I suspect that any
mention of Israel's wrongdoing is so uncomfortable to you that you
remember it.

What reality? What ideals? Am I disappointed that Israel fails to live
up to "my" ideals? Are you? If not, why not?

To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet, Israel is an irrelevance and
the obstacle to a future Labour victory is an antisemitism-obsessed
right wing jewish community trying to drag Israel into every discussion.
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
--
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.

I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
Indeed, it goes back a long way - even before Hitler.
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i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
Well, it were better not to speak about it here; I am informed by a most
reliable source than such an anecdote is inadmissable ;)
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
There may well be a problem among Labour's ranks but are the Tories and
their supporters really fit to cast stones.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/conservatives-response-accusations-islamophobia-doesn-t-add
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Post by The Todal
To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
There may well be a problem among Labour's ranks but are the Tories and
their supporters really fit to cast stones.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/conservatives-response-accusations-islamophobia-doesn-t-add
'islamophobia' has a foundation in reality...antisemitism does not

they are therefore not comparable

the relevant factor for agent cob is the muslim vote...he has
no ethics...he's a socialist
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
There may well be a problem among Labour's ranks but are the Tories and
their supporters really fit to cast stones.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/conservatives-response-accusations-islamophobia-doesn-t-add
'islamophobia' has a foundation in reality...antisemitism does not
Hatred and contempt for Muslims is just as disgraceful as antisemitism,
but is exhibited by a few newspaper columnists (eg Rod Liddle) and by
numerous dimwits who write comments at the foot of online articles even
on the Times website.

Presumably you, too, share this warped view. The view that says you can
blame the Muslim community in Britain for the terrorist attacks we've
seen in our country, and for homosexuals being thrown off tall
buildings, and for white underage girls being raped by Muslim taxi drivers.
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they are therefore not comparable
the relevant factor for agent cob is the muslim vote...he has
no ethics...he's a socialist
And that's another nasty stereotype, quite common among you
knuckle-dragging British racists. Corbyn is, you say, antisemitic
because he wants the Muslim vote. Which implies that the average Muslim
voter is an antisemite.

No, Muslims are ten times more intelligent than the abelards.
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Post by The Todal
To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
the left have a long history of antisemitism....i've seen nothing
much in other parties...
i did meet an sdp mp who started raving about the joozz..but
he'd moved from fascist ('old') labour
There may well be a problem among Labour's ranks but are the Tories and
their supporters really fit to cast stones.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/08/conservatives-response-accusations-islamophobia-doesn-t-add
'islamophobia' has a foundation in reality...antisemitism does not
Hatred and contempt for Muslims is just as disgraceful as antisemitism,
i s'pose you can't help your lies
after all, your religion promotes lying
Post by The Todal
but is exhibited by a few newspaper columnists (eg Rod Liddle) and by
numerous dimwits who write comments at the foot of online articles even
on the Times website.
Presumably you, too, share this warped view. The view that says you can
blame the Muslim community in Britain for the terrorist attacks we've
seen in our country, and for homosexuals being thrown off tall
buildings, and for white underage girls being raped by Muslim taxi drivers.
are you suggesting such behaviour is more common is western society
than in the islamic dictatorships

of course you're not...you are merely trying to confuse with your
dopey moral relativism
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they are therefore not comparable
the relevant factor for agent cob is the muslim vote...he has
no ethics...he's a socialist
And that's another nasty stereotype,
no it isn't...the evidence in the real world is overwhelming
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.quite common among you
knuckle-dragging British racists. Corbyn is, you say, antisemitic
because he wants the Muslim vote. Which implies that the average Muslim
voter is an antisemite.
look at the figures from a large number of polls...
eg the widespread belief in murder of apostates
Post by The Todal
No, Muslims are ten times more intelligent than the abelards.
you have no case...as usual

as usual, you are dishonest

of course more muslims in the uk are relatively sane...after
all many of them are escaping from disgusting socialist
and islamic dictatorships

the problem is the percentage that are as cray as you are
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.

I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when
it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.

==

They are desperately trying to divert it all by attacking Boris Johnson,
accusing him of Islamaphobia.

Of course they just pick out the bits of his piece they can use. They never
quote it all where it puts it into perspective.

I see Theresa the Appeaser is saying he must apologise ... but then he is
making her rather nervous atm <g>
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
==
They are desperately trying to divert it all by attacking Boris Johnson,
accusing him of Islamaphobia.
My impression is not that some people are accusing Boris Johnson
of Islamaphobia, rather they are accusing him of dog-whistle politics,
by using phrases such as "letter box".

In other words, he is trying to appeal to right-wingers (including
some who may be Islamaphobes) in order to gain supporters
for any run he might make to get elected as PM.
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Of course they just pick out the bits of his piece they can use. They never
quote it all where it puts it into perspective.
I see Theresa the Appeaser is saying he must apologise ... but then he is
making her rather nervous atm <g>
Yes, it looks as though Boris may be manoeuvering himself to be in
a good position to take over should Theresa stumble ...
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To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet...
more likely on its dole q back as it always has and does...
Indeed; imagine being so fanatical about getting Comrade Corbyn into office
that one will overlook a certain rotten core within the party he represents.
I must say, I am thoroughly enjoying the current salvo against the Labour
Party; the time is overdue that they had a taste of their own medicine when
it
comes to how they attempt to malign more right-leaning parties.
==
They are desperately trying to divert it all by attacking Boris Johnson,
accusing him of Islamaphobia.
My impression is not that some people are accusing Boris Johnson
of Islamaphobia, rather they are accusing him of dog-whistle politics,
by using phrases such as "letter box".

In other words, he is trying to appeal to right-wingers (including
some who may be Islamaphobes) in order to gain supporters
for any run he might make to get elected as PM.
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Of course they just pick out the bits of his piece they can use. They never
quote it all where it puts it into perspective.
I see Theresa the Appeaser is saying he must apologise ... but then he is
making her rather nervous atm <g>
Yes, it looks as though Boris may be manoeuvering himself to be in
a good position to take over should Theresa stumble ...

==

She is looking rather rickety at the moment ...
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What things? Said by whom and in what venue? What do you mean by close
to the bone?
It was a private party, and I'm not going to repeat exactly what was
said, nor name the lady. Close to the bone = had racist overtones but
not explicit.
So there's really no point in alluding to it or claiming that anything
can be deduced from it.
Nevertheless, you allude to the anti-Semitism of Trump supporters with even
less evidence.
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There is certainly a concern amongst Jews that antisemites attack
Israel and Zionism as a smokescreen for getting at Jews.
There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right wing
or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as extremely
important in their lives.
No, amongst mainstream Jews, including many Labour Party members. And I
think there are quite a lot of non-Jews with the same views. And yes, of
course, most mainstream Jews see Israel as important in their lives.
There's no "of course" about it.
However, I wonder how you square what you've said with the contentious
IHRA definition-example.
"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media,
schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into
snip
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the
alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own
nations."
It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?
Indeed, it should not. I note, however, that there are more allegations than
simply ones made along those particular lines.
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In fact, the amount you
go on about the iniquities of Israel is hard to square with the idea
that the place is irrelevant to you. On the contrary, I get the
impression that you are (not unreasonably) terribly disappointed that
the reality does not live up to your ideals.
I rarely mention the "iniquities of Israel" and I suspect that any
mention of Israel's wrongdoing is so uncomfortable to you that you
remember it.
What reality? What ideals? Am I disappointed that Israel fails to live
up to "my" ideals? Are you? If not, why not?
To you, the public image of Israel seems to inhabit an important place
in your life and in your conception of politics. To me, we need a Labour
government to put this country on its feet, Israel is an irrelevance and
the obstacle to a future Labour victory is an antisemitism-obsessed
right wing jewish community trying to drag Israel into every discussion.
Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
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2018-08-07 13:07:16 UTC
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
in him...
several regard him as an antisemite...but then he's desperate
for the moslem vote
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
in him...
This made for rather interesting reading:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html

If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
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several regard him as an antisemite...but then he's desperate
for the moslem vote
Absolutely. They have been very good for the Labour party, particularly given
how many can be found in a single occupancy in certain areas of England.
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
in him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html
If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.

I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
     in him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html
If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
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2018-08-08 10:41:26 UTC
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.

Y.
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.
It is a relative matter. It is better by far that the Appeaser hold the keys
to Number 10 than an avowed Marxist.
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2018-08-08 10:53:36 UTC
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.
It is a relative matter. It is better by far that the Appeaser hold the keys
to Number 10 than an avowed Marxist.
Why?

Y.
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.
It is a relative matter. It is better by far that the Appeaser hold the keys
to Number 10 than an avowed Marxist.
Why?
Because Comrade Corbyn and his cohorts would introduce economic plans that
would be utterly disastrous. Agent Cob would traffick with Socialist dictators
and threaten the security of the United Kingdom.
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.
It is a relative matter. It is better by far that the Appeaser hold the keys
to Number 10 than an avowed Marxist.
Why?
Because Comrade Corbyn and his cohorts would introduce economic plans that
would be utterly disastrous. Agent Cob would traffick with Socialist dictators
and threaten the security of the United Kingdom.
among several other errors of judgement

but agent cob only cares about his hope for the muslim vote,
and that idiots like agent pork pie would vote for a bacon
sandwich in order to bring about the revolution and the
'promised' people's paradise
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2018-08-08 12:04:44 UTC
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The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves that
the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
'cos the Tories are doing such a good job.
It is a relative matter. It is better by far that the Appeaser hold the keys
to Number 10 than an avowed Marxist.
Why?
Because Comrade Corbyn and his cohorts would introduce economic plans that
would be utterly disastrous. Agent Cob would traffick with Socialist dictators
and threaten the security of the United Kingdom.
One of the definitions of stupidity is voting for a political party that is
demonstrably hostile to your interests.

Y.
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leadership was more interested in there not being a Jewish state, than
in there being a Fakestinian state'
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
     in him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html
If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves
that the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing
socialist but fully accept that as things stand the electorate will not
support a party pushing what they perceive to be a far left program.
That is not to say that there should be no attempt to move the centre
leftwards to some degree.

Whether left or right voters will not go for a party they see as being
in any way extremist. Corbyn may not be an extremist but ultimately it's
perceptions that count whether they are right or wrong in shaping
people's choices.

Corbyn appeals to the Labour members' choir but not to the rest of the
electorate.
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
     in him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html
If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves
that the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the mixed
race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no nonsense
equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while support
might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters' is surely
dropping.
That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing
socialist
i've told you previous....stop adverting the fact that you're barmy
Post by Tim
but fully accept that as things stand the electorate will not
support a party pushing what they perceive to be a far left program.
That is not to say that there should be no attempt to move the centre
leftwards to some degree.
Whether left or right voters will not go for a party they see as being
in any way extremist. Corbyn may not be an extremist
and he may not be a traitor either...and pigs might fly
Post by Tim
but ultimately it's
perceptions that count whether they are right or wrong in shaping
people's choices.
Corbyn appeals to the Labour members' choir but not to the rest of the
electorate.
i do hope you're correct...but
i've long learned not to under-estimate stupidity
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That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing socialist
i've told you previous....stop adverting the fact that you're barmy
Yes, indeed. Much better to be right-wing, and to concentrate on profit
for yourself, at the expense of others, and with no concern whatsoever for
the environmental catastrophe that capitalism has wrought upon the planet.

Ah, but wait .. of course. It's those socialists and their obsession with
'growth' that has caused it.

*pmsl*

Y.
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That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing socialist
i've told you previous....stop adverting the fact that you're barmy
Yes, indeed. Much better to be right-wing, and to concentrate on profit
for yourself, at the expense of others, and with no concern whatsoever for
the environmental catastrophe that capitalism has wrought upon the planet.
if you feel a need to discuss market fundamentalism, why not
start relevant threads rather that try to change the subject
in other threads?

i might remind you where the greatest environmental disasters
have occurred....with added mass murder and impoverishment
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Ah, but wait .. of course. It's those socialists and their obsession with
'growth' that has caused it.
*pmsl*
try tena
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That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing socialist
i've told you previous....stop adverting the fact that you're barmy
Yes, indeed. Much better to be right-wing, and to concentrate on profit
for yourself, at the expense of others, and with no concern whatsoever
for the environmental catastrophe that capitalism has wrought upon the
planet.
if you feel a need to discuss market fundamentalism, why not start
relevant threads rather that try to change the subject in other threads?
I have already rapped Naziboi's knuckles because of his moronic belief in
some sort of 'rule' system on here.
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i might remind you where the greatest environmental disasters have
occurred....with added mass murder and impoverishment
I thought we were talking about 'socialism'?
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Ah, but wait .. of course. It's those socialists and their obsession
with 'growth' that has caused it.
*pmsl*
try tena
Does that help with the feeling of sickness one encounters when observing a
greedy, far-right dog like you flapping around in an attempt to justify
selfishness?

Y.
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That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing socialist
i've told you previous....stop adverting the fact that you're barmy
Yes, indeed. Much better to be right-wing, and to concentrate on profit
for yourself, at the expense of others, and with no concern whatsoever
for the environmental catastrophe that capitalism has wrought upon the
planet.
if you feel a need to discuss market fundamentalism, why not start
relevant threads rather that try to change the subject in other threads?
I have already rapped Naziboi's knuckles because of his moronic belief in
some sort of 'rule' system on here.
i doubt he even noticed

nothing to do with 'rules'...just your muddled noddle
though i can quite believe your objective is to deliberately
generate confusion as yet another of your attempts
to dodge
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i might remind you where the greatest environmental disasters have
occurred....with added mass murder and impoverishment
I thought we were talking about 'socialism'?
Post by abelard
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Ah, but wait .. of course. It's those socialists and their obsession
with 'growth' that has caused it.
*pmsl*
try tena
Does that help with the feeling of sickness one encounters when observing a
greedy, far-right dog like you flapping around in an attempt to justify
selfishness?
yet again, you make accusations without evidence...that is
called 'bearing false witness'
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Your loyalty to the Labour Party, while no doubt laudable, appears to have
blinded you to the veracity of certain actions amongst those who make up its
membership.
more than half the mps who know him have no confidence
     in him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033473/Dozen-Labour-MPs-secret-plot-oust-Corbyn-hatch-plans-144-night-farmhouse.html
If true, he is in an even weaker position than Theresa May right now.
The Labour MPs, in their Westminster bubble, like to kid themselves
that the Corbyn Effect is now ebbing away and the mass of the party
membership will easily defect from Corbyn and support a new leader.
Maybe that nice Hilary Benn, the warmonger. Or Chuka Umunna, the
mixed race answer to Barack Obama. Or Yvette Cooper, the brisk no
nonsense equivalent of Margaret Thatcher.
I think loyalty to Corbyn is continuing to grow, week by week.
I hope so - I believe it will keep Labour unelectable for while
support might grow within the party, support among 'floating voters'
is surely dropping.
That is the crux of the matter . I regard myself as a left wing
socialist but fully accept that as things stand the electorate will not
support a party pushing what they perceive to be a far left program.
That is not to say that there should be no attempt to move the centre
leftwards to some degree.
Whether left or right voters will not go for a party they see as being
in any way extremist. Corbyn may not be an extremist but ultimately it's
perceptions that count whether they are right or wrong in shaping
people's choices.
Corbyn appeals to the Labour members' choir but not to the rest of the
electorate.
And there you are wrong.

You are told by the right wing press that Corbyn has a far-left
manifesto and that he is himself a left wing extremist. I know you don't
think of him as an extremist.

The Labour manifesto is moderate, middle-ground and entirely reasonable.
The biggest criticism from Labour's political opponents was that the
manifesto hadn't been costed and was unaffordable. Which is rather a
joke considering that the Tory manifesto hadn't been costed and the Tory
government seems quite unable to figure out what Brexit will cost the
country.

So I think that at the next general election, the voters will sensibly
return a Labour government to power. It's not all about Corbyn.
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So there's really no point in alluding to it or claiming that anything
can be deduced from it.
If you wish.
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There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right
wing or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as
extremely important in their lives.
No, amongst mainstream Jews, including many Labour Party members. And
I think there are quite a lot of non-Jews with the same views. And
yes, of course, most mainstream Jews see Israel as important in their
lives.
There's no "of course" about it.
You said: "If I called you "arrogant" for explaining something about
your job or your social life, I think you'd either ignore it or point
out that the problem is theirs rather than yours."

When it comes to knowing what (other) Jews think, the problem is yours,
I'm afraid.
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It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests
Can you find anyone at all in the UK who genuinely regards that as more
important than *anything* else at all?
Post by The Todal
and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?
So you hypothesise somebody who does not exist, in order to say it's
okay to criticise that person?
Post by The Todal
I rarely mention the "iniquities of Israel" and I suspect that any
mention of Israel's wrongdoing is so uncomfortable to you that you
remember it.
When you did mention it, you went on a great deal, so it's quite
memorable. You went on for ages about some stupid water board official
who took someone's water containers. That was very wrong of him, but you
made it sound like he'd invaded Poland.
Post by The Todal
What reality? What ideals? Am I disappointed that Israel fails to live
up to "my" ideals?  Are you? If not, why not?
I'm pointing out that for someone who claims Israel is irrelevant, you
seem very interested.
Post by The Todal
the obstacle to a future Labour victory is an antisemitism-obsessed
right wing jewish community trying to drag Israel into every discussion.
On the contrary, they want it NOT dragged into every discussion. You
could start off with Jeremy not attending a lampoon of an important
Jewish religious event.
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It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests
Can you find anyone at all in the UK who genuinely regards that as more
important than *anything* else at all?
Post by The Todal
and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?
So you hypothesise somebody who does not exist, in order to say it's
okay to criticise that person?
Wasn't it originally the IHRA definition-example that hypothesised a
possibly mythical person, or class of persons, as in the example
The Todal quoted earlier in the thread?

==== start TT quote ====
"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media,
schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into
account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

snip

Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the
alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own
nations."
==== end TT quote ====

I don't see why such a hypothetical accusation (of being more
loyal to Israel) would necessarily be anti-semitic.

Personally, I think the IHRA definition itself is reasonable, so far
as I can see, but they are stretching the definition too far in some
of the examples they provide. I feel their tactic may be to try and
paint any criticism of Israeli government policy as anti-semitic.

I basically agree with this pro-Palestinian website, which outlines
some of the concerns about the IHRA definition and examples:

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/campaigners-go-offensive-against-bogus-uk-anti-semitism-definition
6 April 2017
'Campaigners go on offensive against bogus UK anti-Semitism
definition

'... a new analysis by human rights lawyer Hugh Tomlinson, says that
public authorities in the UK are under no legal obligation to adopt the
“unclear and confusing” definition.

'The definition was originally drawn up by pro-Israel lobbyists as part
of an exercise coordinated by a European Union agency in Vienna.
Although the definition was never formally endorsed by the EU, it was
subsequently taken on board – with minor amendments – by an
intergovernmental body called the International Holocaust
Remembrance Alliance (IHRA).

'An explanatory document accompanying the definition cites several
“examples” of what “could” be considered anti-Semitism. They include
stating “that the existence of the State of Israel is a racist endeavor.”

'... David Feldman, director of the Pears Institute for the Study of
Antisemitism at Birkbeck, University of London, has called the definition
“bewilderingly imprecise” and the accompanying explanatory document
dangerous because they may “place the onus on Israel’s critics to
demonstrate they are not anti-Semitic.”

'Valerie Amos director of the School of Oriental and African Studies in
London told the BBC last month that that college would not be
adopting the “contentious” definition.

'The decision not to approve the definition was based on advice from
the Centre for Jewish Studies at SOAS, Amos added.

'Tomlinson’s analysis states that any public body choosing to adopt
the definition must interpret it in a manner consistent with its legal
obligation to protect freedom of speech.

'... Tomlinson’s analysis states that absent evidence of hatred of Jews,
“it would not be anti-Semitic to assert that as Israel defines itself as a
Jewish state and thereby by race, and that because non-Jewish
Israelis and non-Jews under its jurisdiction are discriminated against,
the State of Israel is currently a racist endeavor.” ...'

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Wasn't it originally the IHRA definition-example that hypothesised a
possibly mythical person, or class of persons, as in the example
The Todal quoted earlier in the thread?
==== start TT quote ====
"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media,
schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into
snip
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the
alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own
nations."
==== end TT quote ====
I don't see why such a hypothetical accusation (of being more
loyal to Israel) would necessarily be anti-semitic.
With due respect to you and Todal, he introduced his own example, viz
"It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
*paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests* and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?"

So, he is hypothesising a person who genuinely regards that as more
important than *anything* else at all, ie more important than feeding
the nation and avoiding a nuclear holocaust. Then, having hypothesised
this extraordinary man who does not exist, Todal concludes it's okay to
criticise him.

I hope my comments have been about what Jews in this country think. I am
not very interested in the Labour Party's internal wranglings.

What I can say, with some degree of certainty, is that Jewish citizens
of the UK are generally not more loyal to Israel than the UK. And the
proposition that Jews can agree on anything, let alone priorities of
Jews worldwide, is pretty laughable.
Post by pensive hamster
“it would not be anti-Semitic to assert that as Israel defines itself as a
Jewish state and thereby by race, and that because non-Jewish
Israelis and non-Jews under its jurisdiction are discriminated against,
the State of Israel is currently a racist endeavor.” ...'
Following that reasoning, would you have to conclude also that all those
countries that expelled Jews were racist endeavours? How about the
French expelling Hugenots? This country expelled Jews in the past and
was frightfully nasty to the Catholics.
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Wasn't it originally the IHRA definition-example that hypothesised a
possibly mythical person, or class of persons, as in the example
The Todal quoted earlier in the thread?
==== start TT quote ====
"Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media,
schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into
snip
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the
alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own
nations."
==== end TT quote ====
I don't see why such a hypothetical accusation (of being more
loyal to Israel) would necessarily be anti-semitic.
With due respect to you and Todal, he introduced his own example, viz
"It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
*paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests* and will refrain from criticism of
Israel, why should it be antisemitic to suggest that they are putting
Israel's interests above those of the UK? It may not be true, but why
should it be antisemitic to suggest it?"
So, he is hypothesising a person who genuinely regards that as more
important than *anything* else at all, ie more important than feeding
the nation and avoiding a nuclear holocaust.
You seem to be playing at semantics. I don't think someone
saying that something is "paramount importance to them"
means that they regard it as "more important than *anything* else
at all, ie more important than feeding the nation and avoiding a
nuclear holocaust."

I think it means they regard it as the leading or supreme criterion
among comparable criteria applicable within a given field (in this
case, the field of attitudes relevant to international politics).

They don't mean the supreme criterion among all possible criteria
about all possible subjects.

http://www.oed.com/view/Entry/137535

"Of a person, people, nation, etc.: highest in rank, power, or jurisdiction;
supreme. Also: pre-eminent, leading, or most notable.2
Post by GB
Then, having hypothesised
this extraordinary man who does not exist,
No, you have contrived to misrepresent or misunderstand Todal's
hypothetical example.
Post by GB
Todal concludes it's okay to
criticise him.
I hope my comments have been about what Jews in this country think. I am
not very interested in the Labour Party's internal wranglings.
What I can say, with some degree of certainty, is that Jewish citizens
of the UK are generally not more loyal to Israel than the UK.
OK, that's interesting.
Post by GB
And the
proposition that Jews can agree on anything, let alone priorities of
Jews worldwide, is pretty laughable.
Post by pensive hamster
“it would not be anti-Semitic to assert that as Israel defines itself as a
Jewish state and thereby by race, and that because non-Jewish
Israelis and non-Jews under its jurisdiction are discriminated against,
the State of Israel is currently a racist endeavor.” ...'
Following that reasoning, would you have to conclude also that all those
countries that expelled Jews were racist endeavours? How about the
French expelling Hugenots? This country expelled Jews in the past and
was frightfully nasty to the Catholics.
Yes, I think you would have to conclude that those countries
could at least have been described as racist endeavours at
the time. They wanted to retain political power within a certain
religious grouping or affiliation.
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2018-08-07 17:33:13 UTC
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So there's really no point in alluding to it or claiming that anything
can be deduced from it.
If you wish.
I'm always interested in hearing about real-life examples of
antisemitism in the Labour Party. But they all seem to have happened to
someone else. They are all apocryphal stories.
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There is that concern, yes. Among some prickly, suspicious, right
wing or defensive jews, predominantly those who see Israel as
extremely important in their lives.
No, amongst mainstream Jews, including many Labour Party members. And
I think there are quite a lot of non-Jews with the same views. And
yes, of course, most mainstream Jews see Israel as important in their
lives.
There's no "of course" about it.
You said: "If I called you "arrogant" for explaining something about
your job or your social life, I think you'd either ignore it or point
out that the problem is theirs rather than yours."
When it comes to knowing what (other) Jews think, the problem is yours,
I'm afraid.
You are no more in a position to tell us what most jews believe and
think than John Mann or Margaret Hodge. You aren't explaining something
about your job or your social life - you're explaining what you've
gathered from reading newspapers.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
It's impossible to measure whether someone is "more" loyal to Israel
than to the interests of the UK, but if a person says that it is of
paramount importance to them that the Prime Minister of the UK is
sympathetic to Israel's interests
Can you find anyone at all in the UK who genuinely regards that as more
important than *anything* else at all?
Yes, most of the jews who were demonstrating against Corbyn in
Parliament Square on 26th March.

I was there. I spoke to as many of them as I could. They all said that
to them, Corbyn was antisemitic because he criticised Israel rather than
Hamas. It really was as simple as that. Anything else that the Labour
Party was trying to do was unimportant to them.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
and will refrain from criticism of Israel, why should it be
antisemitic to suggest that they are putting Israel's interests above
those of the UK? It may not be true, but why should it be antisemitic
to suggest it?
So you hypothesise somebody who does not exist, in order to say it's
okay to criticise that person?
I'm explaining why Labour drafted its own examples of antisemitism
rather than adopting the foolish wording drafted by others.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
I rarely mention the "iniquities of Israel" and I suspect that any
mention of Israel's wrongdoing is so uncomfortable to you that you
remember it.
When you did mention it, you went on a great deal, so it's quite
memorable. You went on for ages about some stupid water board official
who took someone's water containers. That was very wrong of him, but you
made it sound like he'd invaded Poland.
I've never commented on a water board official who took someone's
containers. So this puts in doubt much of what you've said. You have
made assumptions about my beliefs based on what someone else has been
saying about water containers.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
What reality? What ideals? Am I disappointed that Israel fails to live
up to "my" ideals?  Are you? If not, why not?
I'm pointing out that for someone who claims Israel is irrelevant, you
seem very interested.
It's relevant only insofar as it is being used to damage the political
interests of the Labour Party.
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
the obstacle to a future Labour victory is an antisemitism-obsessed
right wing jewish community trying to drag Israel into every discussion.
On the contrary, they want it NOT dragged into every discussion. You
could start off with Jeremy not attending a lampoon of an important
Jewish religious event.
When did he not attend a lampoon of an important religious event, and
why is he to be condemned for not attending it?
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You are no more in a position to tell us what most jews believe and
think than John Mann or Margaret Hodge. You aren't explaining something
about your job or your social life - you're explaining what you've
gathered from reading newspapers.
I do talk to other people occasionally, too.
Post by The Todal
Yes, most of the jews who were demonstrating against Corbyn in
Parliament Square on 26th March.
I was there. I spoke to as many of them as I could. They all said that
to them, Corbyn was antisemitic because he criticised Israel rather than
Hamas. It really was as simple as that. *Anything else that the Labour
Party was trying to do was unimportant to them.*
You have not said what question you asked them? But I don't suppose that
the middle of a demonstration was the best place to get a nuanced reply.
In any case, this was not the time or place to broach the notion that JC
has a lot of good works on his agenda so please excuse a bit of
antisemitism.

Besides that, I am extremely suspicious of anybody who blames Hamas but
not Israel, or vice versa. It's a complex situation.
Post by The Todal
I'm explaining why Labour drafted its own examples of antisemitism
rather than adopting the foolish wording drafted by others.
Does it include the word paramount anywhere?
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I rarely mention the "iniquities of Israel" and I suspect that any
mention of Israel's wrongdoing is so uncomfortable to you that you
remember it.
When you did mention it, you went on a great deal, so it's quite
memorable. You went on for ages about some stupid water board official
who took someone's water containers. That was very wrong of him, but
you made it sound like he'd invaded Poland.
I've never commented on a water board official who took someone's
containers.
I remember distinctly that you did, but I very much doubt I can prove
it. So, there you go.
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Post by GB
I'm pointing out that for someone who claims Israel is irrelevant, you
seem very interested.
It's relevant only insofar as it is being used to damage the political
interests of the Labour Party.
There's an article in today's Standard suggesting that the real problem
is the Momentumites bullying other Labour Party members through
disciplinary action and deselection attempts. It doesn't look pretty.
Post by The Todal
Post by GB
Post by The Todal
the obstacle to a future Labour victory is an antisemitism-obsessed
right wing jewish community trying to drag Israel into every discussion.
On the contrary, they want it NOT dragged into every discussion. You
could start off with Jeremy not attending a lampoon of an important
Jewish religious event.
When did he not attend a lampoon of an important religious event, and
why is he to be condemned for not attending it?
Your memory is sadly lacking.
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Yes, most of the jews who were demonstrating against Corbyn in
Parliament Square on 26th March.
I was there. I spoke to as many of them as I could. They all said that
to them, Corbyn was antisemitic because he criticised Israel rather than
Hamas. It really was as simple as that. *Anything else that the Labour
Party was trying to do was unimportant to them.*
You have not said what question you asked them?
That's because he wasn't there.

He is a demonstrated and proven liar who when cornered on international
law, will dodge and fall back on his usual _ad hominem_ and neo-nazi
mantra.

Y.
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judiciary willing to listen to grievances of Arabs - that judiciary is
called the Israeli Supreme Court'
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Yes, most of the jews who were demonstrating against Corbyn in
Parliament Square on 26th March.
I was there. I spoke to as many of them as I could. They all said that
to them, Corbyn was antisemitic because he criticised Israel rather than
Hamas. It really was as simple as that. *Anything else that the Labour
Party was trying to do was unimportant to them.*
You have not said what question you asked them?
That's because he wasn't there.
He is a demonstrated and proven liar who when cornered on international
law, will dodge and fall back on his usual _ad hominem_ and neo-nazi
mantra.
Sometimes you show signs of intelligence but unfortunately you aren't
very good at spotting the difference between truth and lies. Nobody but
you would regard me as a neo-nazi, which is an offensive insult but one
which could equally be said of a person who repeatedly refers to the
"Fakestinians" in Israeli occupied territory. Namely you.

So I'm addressing this to other readers, not to you.

I was at the demonstration. I was part of the rival Jewish Voice for
Labour demonstration. There weren't all that many of us, perhaps less
than a hundred, so I was interviewed on camera several times.

And I had quite a few friendly conversations with the jewish
demonstrators who were part of the main demo. The question I asked was,
why do you blame Corbyn and what more do you think he should be doing?
The answers were always that he has permanently alienated jews by his
past attitude to Israel. Nobody was bothered about finding ways of
rooting out antisemites from the Labour Party. That was a trivial issue
to them, when they saw Corbyn as the main enemy and they saw a few
anti-Corbyn Labour MPs who spoke to them, as their most useful allies.
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When you did mention it, you went on a great deal, so it's quite
memorable. You went on for ages about some stupid water board official
who took someone's water containers. That was very wrong of him, but
you made it sound like he'd invaded Poland.
I've never commented on a water board official who took someone's
containers. So this puts in doubt much of what you've said. You have
made assumptions about my beliefs based on what someone else has been
saying about water containers.
I did a quick search on Google Groups. You posted this on 10/7/2012

Israelis deprive Palestinians of water - an Israeli press report


Avi is an inspection coordinator for the "Civil Administration" - the
occupation regime, to speak without euphemisms. Presumably Avi likes his
job. Maybe he's even proud of it.

He doesn't bother mentioning his last name in the forms he signs. Why
should he? His ornate "Avi" signature is sufficient to carry out his
diktats. And Avi's are among the most brutal and inhumane diktats ever
to be imposed in these parts.

Avi confiscates water containers that serve hundreds of Palestinian and
Bedouin families living in the Jordan Valley.

...
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When you did mention it, you went on a great deal, so it's quite
memorable. You went on for ages about some stupid water board
official who took someone's water containers. That was very wrong of
him, but you made it sound like he'd invaded Poland.
I've never commented on a water board official who took someone's
containers. So this puts in doubt much of what you've said. You have
made assumptions about my beliefs based on what someone else has been
saying about water containers.
I did a quick search on Google Groups.  You posted this on 10/7/2012
Israelis deprive Palestinians of water - an Israeli press report
Avi is an inspection coordinator for the "Civil Administration" - the
occupation regime, to speak without euphemisms. Presumably Avi likes his
job. Maybe he's even proud of it.
He doesn't bother mentioning his last name in the forms he signs. Why
should he? His ornate "Avi" signature is sufficient to carry out his
diktats. And Avi's are among the most brutal and inhumane diktats ever
to be imposed in these parts.
Avi confiscates water containers that serve hundreds of Palestinian and
Bedouin families living in the Jordan Valley.
...
I had quite forgotten about that post from 2012. However, that's
probably because the words aren't mine. It's a quote from the Israeli
newspaper Haaretz. It illustrates how the Israelis themselves criticise
their ghastly reactionary government.

I'm sorry if your found the post rather boring and then remembered it as
reflecting on my bad judgement, but if anyone was "going on" about
water containers it was the admirable Israeli journalists and it
certainly isn't evidence that I regularly go on and on about Israeli
behaviour.

Haaretz regularly puts our own newspapers to shame. It even compares the
actions of the Israeli government to the Nazis. Which is of course
streng verboten in Britain.
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Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
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Post by The Todal
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Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
because the toad is a socialist and he is defending his religion

and trump is opposed to his socialist religion

so they sort of get mixed up in his very muddled noddle
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Post by The Todal
Post by abelard
Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
because the toad is a socialist and he is defending his religion
Jon is also a jew. Don't arks me how I know. I've been around a
long time.
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and trump is opposed to his socialist religion
so they sort of get mixed up in his very muddled noddle
Quite so.
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because the toad is a socialist and he is defending his religion
Jon is also a jew. Don't arks me how I know. I've been around a
long time.
Nope, dumb anal Razovic: you've been a delusional, psychotic moron and
psychopath for a long time!
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Post by abelard
and trump is opposed to his socialist religion
so they sort of get mixed up in his very muddled noddle
Quite so.
What could be more mixed up than mentally deficient psychotic idiots like
you! <BG>
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Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
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Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
She didn't change race, psychotic idiot! Nobody can change race. Just like
you can't stop being a genetical inferior psychopath!
--
tomcov about poor psychotic asshole Razovic:
"Assholes come
Assholes go
But the revd asshole goes on forever.
(and he speaks through it)"
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
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Post by Shitsack Moishe Goldberg
says...
Post by The Todal
Post by abelard
Post by The Todal
You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
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Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
People in Trump's entourage will deny what they are, like Bannon did, dumb
anal Razovic. Somewhat like you keep trying to deny that you ARE a flaming
fag!
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.

New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016

The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. “These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
‘alt-right,’ a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,” the A.D.L. reported. “The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers’ bios are ‘Trump,’
‘nationalist,’ ‘conservative,’ and ‘white.’ ”

Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.

On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. “Don’t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,” the message said.
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.
New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016
The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. “These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
‘alt-right,’ a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,” the A.D.L. reported. “The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers’ bios are ‘Trump,’
‘nationalist,’ ‘conservative,’ and ‘white.’ ”
Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.
On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. “Don’t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,” the message said.
What does any of that have to do with Trump himself? Furthermore, why do the
actions of what appear to be a small number of Trump supporters reflect poorly
on him yet you would have us believe that the actions of a number of Labour
Party members don't reflect at all on Corbyn despite it being his
responsibility to maintain discipline?
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.
New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016
The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. “These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
‘alt-right,’ a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,” the A.D.L. reported. “The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers’ bios are ‘Trump,’
‘nationalist,’ ‘conservative,’ and ‘white.’ ”
Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.
On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. “Don’t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,” the message said.
What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.


Furthermore, why do the
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actions of what appear to be a small number of Trump supporters reflect poorly
on him yet you would have us believe that the actions of a number of Labour
Party members don't reflect at all on Corbyn despite it being his
responsibility to maintain discipline?
It isn't his responsibility to "maintain discipline". For example, the
decision to abandon the inquiry into Margaret Hodge's rudeness was made
by the only person with power to do so, Jennie Formby.
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What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.
he doesn't seem to be appealing to you
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What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.
Ben and Jerry's ice cream also appeals to bigots and racists. However
this is not evidence that eating ice-cream makes you into a homicidal
maniac. Nor that people who publish "offensive" tweets are responsible
for how idiots react to them.
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 What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.
Ben and Jerry's ice cream also appeals to bigots and racists. However
this is not evidence that eating ice-cream makes you into a homicidal
maniac. Nor that people who publish "offensive" tweets are responsible
for how idiots react to them.
In the case of Donald J Trump, his offensive and disrespectful tweets do
damage the respect that members of society should show towards each
other. Only because he's President. If he was just plain old Donald
Trump the lecher and millionnaire, nobody would care what he tweeted.
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Ben and Jerry's ice cream also appeals to bigots and racists.
Couldn't it be just good ice cream?
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Ben and Jerry's ice cream also appeals to bigots and racists.
Couldn't it be just good ice cream?
I think that was the point :-) That only a minority of the people that
like it will be bigots & racists.
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Ben and Jerry's ice cream also appeals to bigots and racists.
Couldn't it be just good ice cream?
I think that was the point :-)  That only a minority of the people that
like it will be bigots & racists.
Never.
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.
New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016
The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. “These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
‘alt-right,’ a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,” the A.D.L. reported. “The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers’ bios are ‘Trump,’
‘nationalist,’ ‘conservative,’ and ‘white.’ ”
Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.
On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. “Don’t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,” the message said.
What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.
Yet he also appeals to non-bigots and non-racists alike, unless you believe in
phantasies of the like that only racist bigots voted to leave the UK.
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Furthermore, why do the
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actions of what appear to be a small number of Trump supporters reflect poorly
on him yet you would have us believe that the actions of a number of Labour
Party members don't reflect at all on Corbyn despite it being his
responsibility to maintain discipline?
It isn't his responsibility to "maintain discipline".
As the most senior figure within the Party, he is the one who will ultimately
be held accountable.
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For example, the
decision to abandon the inquiry into Margaret Hodge's rudeness was made
by the only person with power to do so, Jennie Formby.
'The General Secretary has responsibility for giving leadership and direction
towards the strategic and operational management of the Labour Party
organisation and the implementation of its aims and objectives at national,
regional and local levels as laid down by the annual conference and the
National Executive Committee.'

Who leads the NEC? Do I need to remind you that it is the Right Honourable
Jeremy Corbyn MP?
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Eh? His own DAUGHTER changed race and became a neo-jew in order to
marry her jew husband. Trump now has three half-jew grandchildren. How
CAN he be anti-semitic???
Because he's not at all bright, and because many of his influential
friends and supporters are jew-haters.
Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.
New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016
The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. “These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
‘alt-right,’ a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,” the A.D.L. reported. “The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers’ bios are ‘Trump,’
‘nationalist,’ ‘conservative,’ and ‘white.’ ”
Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.
On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. “Don’t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,” the message said.
What does any of that have to do with Trump himself?
It shows how his particular style of self-publicity appeals to bigots
and racists. It's not accidental - every tweet that he produces is
designed to offend someone, somewhere.
Yet he also appeals to non-bigots and non-racists alike, unless you believe in
phantasies of the like that only racist bigots voted to leave the UK.
That should, of course, read 'voted to leave the EU'.
GB
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That should, of course, read 'voted to leave the EU'.
Could you trim your posts more please.
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That should, of course, read 'voted to leave the EU'.
Could you trim your posts more please.
Should I forget to in the future, is there no keyboard shortcut you can use to
reach the end of an article?
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Some of his proletariat supporters might be, but he has numerous jews
among his friends and supporters. Can you name just ONE confirmed anti-
semite?
Trump is a man who regularly fires members of staff and then condemns
them as losers and idiots. It's impossible to be sure who is a friend of
Trump. They are all expendable. He relies on the "proletariat
supporters" and never condemns them. They are his friends for as long as
they suit his purposes.
That's politics for you.
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New Yorker, 19 Oct 2016
The A.D.L. (anti-defamation league) report documents the frightening
rise of anti-Semitic tweets targeting journalists, especially those who
write anything critical about Donald Trump. From August, 2015, to July,
2016, the A.D.L. found 2.6 million tweets that included anti-Semitic
language, with a spike in anti-Semitism this year, as news coverage of
the Presidential campaign increased. Researchers looked more closely at
attacks on the Twitter accounts of some fifty thousand journalists and
found almost twenty thousand anti-Semitic tweets directed at them, with
almost seventy per cent of the invective coming from sixteen hundred
accounts. ?These aggressors are disproportionately likely to
self-identify as Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, or part of the
?alt-right,? a loosely connected group of extremists, some of whom are
white supremacists,? the A.D.L. reported. ?The words that appear most
frequently in the 1,600 Twitter attackers? bios are ?Trump,?
?nationalist,? ?conservative,? and ?white.? ?
CNN, the most vocal anti-Trump Fake News station, is infested with jews.
So it's no surpise that Trump supporters target them. The Anti
Defecation League is, of course, a known anti-Trump organisation.
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Many of the anti-Semitic tweets include images of the journalists they
are directed at, Photoshopped to show them inside gas chambers or among
the corpses of Holocaust victims. Tweets about putting Jewish
journalists and their family members in ovens or having them made into
lampshades are not uncommon.
None of which, of course, has anything directly to do with Trump
himself. No president has been a more fervent supporter of jews and
Israel. And he could not have built a real estate empire in New York
without having many jew friends.
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On Sunday evening, Hadas Gold, a media reporter at Politico who was born
in Israel, received a private message on Twitter that included an image
of her with a bullet hole in her forehead and a yellow Star of David on
her shirt. ?Don?t mess with our boy Trump or you will be first in line
for the camp,? the message said.
So which of his 'influential friends and supporters' is a confirmed
anti-semite?
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So which of his 'influential friends and supporters' is a confirmed
anti-semite?
Just wondering how long it will take him until he, too, realizes what's
wrong with you, poor psychopathic idiot! LOL
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You appear to be citing an old movie about antisemitism. That has
nothing to tell us about antisemitism today either in the USA or UK but
what we do know is that many Trump supporters are antisemites.
what a card you are...change the subject from the long history
of anti-semitism to your hatreds of trump...
Trump and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of
antisemitism, but you reckon that's not relevant.
Corbyn and his supporters are perpetuating the long history of anti-Semitism,
but you reckon that to be irrelevant.
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I think the only thing relevant to you is your own navel which you
contemplate incessantly, and your anus into which you regularly retreat.
Twaddle has reverted to his favourite subject - a deep and abiding passion!
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that should fool everyone
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And Trump
himself displays some antisemitism in his speeches.
i'm so gratified that you have told us you have joooz in the
family and in the holocaust...
at least i know you're not one of those bigot types
I can speak from personal knowledge about what's going on in the Labour
Party.
Of course, you are the fount of all knowledge. The diverse reports are surely
nothing more than a right wing conspiracy. The Labour Party is virginal and
pure.
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: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to do
with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom to
criticise Israel.
Given the lack of concrete examples of serious anti-Jewish
discrimination/abuse one assumes that a campaign as weak as this one is
only allowed to run because many people (largely outside the Jewish
community) just want a stick with which to beat Corbyn. Anti-Semitism
seems to be working better than all the other things they have tried.

However the flip side is that the more the Jewish community are seen to
pursue an unreasonable vendetta against Corbyn the more people will
judge them for it, the more people will actually dislike Jews. Hence one
wonders if zealots in the Jewish community actually want to increase
anti-Jewish sentiment as a way of uniting Jews against a common external
foe, thus preserving Jewish isolation as a seperate community, i.e. they
wish to prevent a loss of Jewish identity via assimilation.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
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On Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:55:50 +0100, Chris Smith
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: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews"   ...   Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism?   Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
It's the only weapon they have. They can't argue against the fact
that most people find many of their characterisitics and activities
objectionable, because an open examination of the reasons for that
view would prove it not to be without substance.
Labels, abuse and the shutting down of free and fair comment is
therefore the chosen method.
http://youtu.be/Nex-oSKPX2w
It's a delicate balance between shutting down all criticism of Jews,
which would be wrong , and allowing behaviours that are anti Semitic
to thrive. No group of people should be above warranted criticism.
I was hoping that the debate would be better than this.
The antisemitism debate in the Labour Party has nothing whatsoever to do
with freedom to criticise jews, and everything to do with freedom to
criticise Israel.
Given the lack of concrete examples of serious anti-Jewish
discrimination/abuse one assumes that a campaign as weak as this one is
only allowed to run because many people (largely outside the Jewish
community) just want a stick with which to beat Corbyn. Anti-Semitism
seems to be working better than all the other things they have tried.
However the flip side is that the more the Jewish community are seen to
pursue an unreasonable vendetta against Corbyn the more people will
judge them for it, the more people will actually dislike Jews. Hence one
wonders if zealots in the Jewish community actually want to increase
anti-Jewish sentiment as a way of uniting Jews against a common external
foe, thus preserving Jewish isolation as a seperate community, i.e. they
wish to prevent a loss of Jewish identity via assimilation.
Hilarious...jews are INCAPABLE of assimilating among humans...they
stand out like sore thumbs!
--

"You are full of shit. You'll never convince any of us real Jews that
there is no Jewish look. I know my people and I can see their
Jewishness. Susan is not a Jew. If you want to get down her panties
just ask her she'll let you. She's a non-Jew."
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"You can try all you want and get all the plastic surgery you want but
you'll never look like one of us because you are not a Jew. You are
an Irish Shiksa that Isn't even a righteous non-Jew a Ger Tzadeck You
are VEEDMUS amongst us and are a gentile. I would not be surprised if
you ever go to Eretz Israel and spout off your non-senseical lies that
a Jew doesn't kill you or a gentile murder you. You are wicked because
you antagonize and lie about the Tzadeckim. The best place for you is
scrubbing toilets and urinals in a gymnasium that is predominate used
by Negros."
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- drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish, mocking neo-jew Suzy KKKohen's
attempted 'conversion' to the jew race

"Warren is not well. He's a non-Jewish mental patient who usually declines to
take his medications. Please keep this in mind when viewing future posts."
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- neo-jew 'convert' Suzy KKKohen, mocking drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish's
claim to be a jew
The Peeler
2018-08-06 15:53:54 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:14:13 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Chris Smith
anti-Jewish sentiment as a way of uniting Jews against a common external
foe, thus preserving Jewish isolation as a seperate community, i.e. they
wish to prevent a loss of Jewish identity via assimilation.
Hilarious...jews are INCAPABLE of assimilating among humans...they
stand out like sore thumbs!
You AREN'T aware that this, AGAIN, is another PERFECT description of
YOURSELF, you mentally retarded perverted dreckserb? LOL
--
Dumb anal Razovic's confession on June 30th, 2018:
"Oh no I got a jew hair in my mouth from sucking jew ani"
MID: <***@4ax.com>
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2018-08-06 14:14:21 UTC
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Post by Omega
: "policy or predisposition favorable to Jews" ... Merriam-Webster
What is all the fuss about anti-Semitism? Anybody?
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
Yes, they do. It's called 'chutzpah' in the trade.


--

"You are full of shit. You'll never convince any of us real Jews that
there is no Jewish look. I know my people and I can see their
Jewishness. Susan is not a Jew. If you want to get down her panties
just ask her she'll let you. She's a non-Jew."
Message-ID: <bfbdb526-1042-4e8e-a39f-***@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>

"You can try all you want and get all the plastic surgery you want but
you'll never look like one of us because you are not a Jew. You are
an Irish Shiksa that Isn't even a righteous non-Jew a Ger Tzadeck You
are VEEDMUS amongst us and are a gentile. I would not be surprised if
you ever go to Eretz Israel and spout off your non-senseical lies that
a Jew doesn't kill you or a gentile murder you. You are wicked because
you antagonize and lie about the Tzadeckim. The best place for you is
scrubbing toilets and urinals in a gymnasium that is predominate used
by Negros."
Message-ID: <ee17d097-89f7-4e72-a41a-***@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

- drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish, mocking neo-jew Suzy KKKohen's
attempted 'conversion' to the jew race

"Warren is not well. He's a non-Jewish mental patient who usually declines to
take his medications. Please keep this in mind when viewing future posts."
Message-ID: <JZQTk.1726$***@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>

- neo-jew 'convert' Suzy KKKohen, mocking drug-fucked jew wannabe Y-chi Netfish's
claim to be a jew
Sick old nazoid pedo Andrew "Andrzej" Baron (aka "Ron Jacobson")
2018-08-06 14:22:24 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>,
A shiteating cowardly nazoid sub-louse PEDO named Andrew "Andrzej"
I wonder what became of all my nazoid buddies... "Big Willy",
"Ben Cramer", (FAKE) Heinrich, "Zulu", "Johannes von Ebersdorf",
"szaki", "turkeyboy"...
YOU drove them away, sub-louse! As low-lifes as they are, still,
being associated with a stupid, shiteating, pissdrinking,
donkeydicksucking, grannyfucking, jizzlicking, motherless pile
of sub-excrement PEDO filth who takes dozens of muzzie dicks up
his arse and throat on an hourly basis, was, well, just too much
for them!
The Peeler
2018-08-06 15:59:23 UTC
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On Mon, 06 Aug 2018 07:14:21 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Post by jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
Post by Omega
If Jews have policies favourable to themselves do they really expect
others not to share that view?
omega
Yes, they do. It's called 'chutzpah' in the trade.
YOU are called mentally insane and a sexual cripple in ANY trade, dreckserb
Razovic! LOL
--
"The Jews" about retarded anal Razovic:
"They write about politics, commerce, and other important topics.
Gordon writes about anuses and diarrhea."
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