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Carrilion viability in doubt
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Phi
2018-01-12 18:23:55 UTC
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The old GEC Weinstock trick, make quotations low to get the contract and
then hold others to ransom, to be re-financed.
R. Mark Clayton
2018-01-12 18:50:56 UTC
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On Friday, 12 January 2018 18:24:31 UTC, Phi wrote:
> The old GEC Weinstock trick, make quotations low to get the contract and
> then hold others to ransom, to be re-financed.

Weinstock's (aka Arnie) more common trick was to produce a very tight specification knowing that the government / MoD would change and / or add to it. Then he would increase the price and delay the outcome.

This would go on for years, even decades, as with the infamous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Nimrod_MRA4#Delays_and_development_problems
which were almost entirely due to GEC's avionics.
Phi
2018-01-12 19:03:19 UTC
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"R. Mark Clayton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Friday, 12 January 2018 18:24:31 UTC, Phi wrote:
>> The old GEC Weinstock trick, make quotations low to get the contract and
>> then hold others to ransom, to be re-financed.
>
> Weinstock's (aka Arnie) more common trick was to produce a very tight
> specification knowing that the government / MoD would change and / or add
> to it. Then he would increase the price and delay the outcome.
>
> This would go on for years, even decades, as with the infamous
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Systems_Nimrod_MRA4#Delays_and_development_problems
> which were almost entirely due to GEC's avionics.


On one occasion, a contract was signed by a CEGB representative to build a
substantial part of a nuclear power station with a 'critical facility' not
included on the final contract, he then arranged to have the 'critical
facility' built on daywork costing as much again as the original contract.

Governments go for the cheapest not the best value, especially when no
maintenance is included.
Jethro_uk
2018-01-12 22:20:22 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:50:56 -0800, R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> On Friday, 12 January 2018 18:24:31 UTC, Phi wrote:
>> The old GEC Weinstock trick, make quotations low to get the contract
>> and then hold others to ransom, to be re-financed.
>
> Weinstock's (aka Arnie) more common trick was to produce a very tight
> specification knowing that the government / MoD would change and / or
> add to it. Then he would increase the price and delay the outcome.
>
> This would go on for years, even decades, as with the infamous
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
BAE_Systems_Nimrod_MRA4#Delays_and_development_problems
> which were almost entirely due to GEC's avionics.

ISTR that there were on average 10 change requests *a day* over the
projects lifetime.

Also the RAF never wanted Nimrod but AWACS.
tim...
2018-01-13 11:25:11 UTC
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"R. Mark Clayton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Friday, 12 January 2018 18:24:31 UTC, Phi wrote:
>> The old GEC Weinstock trick, make quotations low to get the contract and
>> then hold others to ransom, to be re-financed.
>
> Weinstock's (aka Arnie) more common trick was to produce a very tight
> specification

when tendering for any fixed price work you always produce a very tight
specification

doing otherwise is the route to the bankruptcy courts

>knowing that the government / MoD would change and / or add to it.

but that's the government's fault

They should learn not to agree a spec until they are reasonably sure it is
what they want

They should also make sure that any contracts for additional work are "open"
tendered and not just pass the work onto the main contractor for whatever
they ask. Obviously this isn't always possible, but often it is

tim
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