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Inglorious Empire
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MM
2017-03-02 21:10:14 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."

Available from all good book sellers.

But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.

MM
James Harris
2017-03-02 21:15:36 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.

But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
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James Harris
Oleg Smirnov
2017-03-02 21:39:05 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as large
as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had decreased
six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels from
cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised racism,
and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism justified
itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the governed, but Shashi
Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position, demonstrating how every
supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the rule of law was designed
in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial
Revolution was founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction
of its textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious reality
of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of the
Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an example
of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
abelard
2017-03-02 22:27:55 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as large
as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had decreased
six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels from
cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised racism,
and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism justified
itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the governed, but Shashi
Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position, demonstrating how every
supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the rule of law was designed
in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial
Revolution was founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction
of its textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious reality
of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of the
Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an example
of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism spread from moscow
...and otherwise all around the world
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Pelican
2017-03-02 22:45:50 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as large
as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had decreased
six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels from
cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised racism,
and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism justified
itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the governed, but Shashi
Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position, demonstrating how every
supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the rule of law was designed
in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial
Revolution was founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction
of its textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious reality
of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of the
Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an example
of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism spread from moscow
...and otherwise all around the world
That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
abelard
2017-03-02 22:48:43 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 09:45:50 +1100, Pelican
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as large
as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had decreased
six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels from
cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised racism,
and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism justified
itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the governed, but Shashi
Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position, demonstrating how every
supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the rule of law was designed
in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial
Revolution was founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction
of its textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious reality
of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of the
Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an example
of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism spread from moscow
...and otherwise all around the world
That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....

the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...

i'll just bet you're so out of it that you even believe that nonsense
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Vidcapper
2017-03-03 07:27:22 UTC
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That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....
the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...
Is that any more repetitive than you wheeling out the above comment
*every time*?

You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.

e.g. countries with a strong democratic tradition, like Britain, always
know when to stop.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
harry
2017-03-03 07:49:04 UTC
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That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....
the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...
Is that any more repetitive than you wheeling out the above comment
*every time*?
You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
No, they're on the way to economic and social disaster.
No exceptions.
There's no such thing as free money in spite of socialist promises.
Vidcapper
2017-03-03 14:56:30 UTC
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That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....
the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...
Is that any more repetitive than you wheeling out the above comment
*every time*?
You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
No, they're on the way to economic and social disaster.
No exceptions.
Except for one you snipped...
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
abelard
2017-03-03 09:48:26 UTC
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That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....
the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...
Is that any more repetitive than you wheeling out the above comment
*every time*?
i say just the same to those who believe they won't fall under
gravity if they step off high buildings
every every time the result is predictable
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...

socialism is communism lite...

fraternity by force...

you'll have to pass the bill to find out what is in it...
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e.g. countries with a strong democratic tradition, like Britain, always
know when to stop.
until bliar no socialist government in britain ever slid much
beyond one term...

sweden had a strong cohesive civil society....no longer...socialism
erodes self reliance and morality

if a country starts with strong ethical experience with the
infrastructure and institutions that puts in place....it takes
longer for that social capital to erode

britain started as the most developed society of the time...
it merely has(or had) more reserves to lose
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Vidcapper
2017-03-03 14:58:43 UTC
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That is incorrect - it's not socialism.
not real(tm) socialism eh....
the decades that excuse has been wheeled out every every
time socialism causes mayhem and poverty again...
Is that any more repetitive than you wheeling out the above comment
*every time*?
i say just the same to those who believe they won't fall under
gravity if they step off high buildings
every every time the result is predictable
non sequitur.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Byker
2017-03-03 16:56:15 UTC
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...
Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in
action because they're NOT socialist. Like all other developed nations, the
means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the
community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective
uses by the market, not government or community planning. While it is true
that they provide things like a generous social safety net and universal
healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.
What Bernie Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually
social DEMOCRACY, a system in which the government aims to promote the
public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of
a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.
abelard
2017-03-03 17:07:45 UTC
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...
Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in
action because they're NOT socialist.
more not real(tm) socialists eh
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Like all other developed nations, the
means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the
community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective
uses by the market, not government or community planning. While it is true
that they provide things like a generous social safety net and universal
healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.
What Bernie Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually
social DEMOCRACY, a system in which the government aims to promote the
public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of
a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.
and look how well that is working out
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www.abelard.org
Vidcapper
2017-03-04 07:19:24 UTC
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...
Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in
action because they're NOT socialist.
more not real(tm) socialists eh
Post by Byker
Like all other developed nations, the
means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the
community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective
uses by the market, not government or community planning. While it is true
that they provide things like a generous social safety net and universal
healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.
What Bernie Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually
social DEMOCRACY, a system in which the government aims to promote the
public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of
a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.
and look how well that is working out
For a large number of people it is still the most acceptable alternative
to the laissez faire ideology of the Right, though.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
abelard
2017-03-04 10:32:36 UTC
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...
Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in
action because they're NOT socialist.
more not real(tm) socialists eh
Post by Byker
Like all other developed nations, the
means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the
community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective
uses by the market, not government or community planning. While it is true
that they provide things like a generous social safety net and universal
healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.
What Bernie Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually
social DEMOCRACY, a system in which the government aims to promote the
public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of
a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.
and look how well that is working out
For a large number of people it is still the most acceptable alternative
to the laissez faire ideology of the Right, though.
in the hope that the crocodile eats you last
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www.abelard.org
Vidcapper
2017-03-04 17:40:48 UTC
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For a large number of people it is still the most acceptable alternative
to the laissez faire ideology of the Right, though.
in the hope that the crocodile eats you last
What crocodile?
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
harry
2017-03-05 07:33:01 UTC
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For a large number of people it is still the most acceptable alternative
to the laissez faire ideology of the Right, though.
in the hope that the crocodile eats you last
What crocodile?
He's referring to a saying by Winston Churchill.
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34274-an-appeaser-is-one-who-feeds-a-crocodile-hoping-it
abelard
2017-03-05 10:06:54 UTC
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For a large number of people it is still the most acceptable alternative
to the laissez faire ideology of the Right, though.
in the hope that the crocodile eats you last
What crocodile?
you choose
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Mr. B1ack
2017-03-04 02:33:26 UTC
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You seem to believe that whenever any left-wing government is elected,
that country is on an inevitable slippery slope towards communism, yet
you ignore all 'inconvenient' counter-examples.
no i don't...i watch sweden...i watch venezuela...
Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in
action because they're NOT socialist. Like all other developed nations, the
means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the
community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective
uses by the market, not government or community planning. While it is true
that they provide things like a generous social safety net and universal
healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.
What Bernie Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually
social DEMOCRACY, a system in which the government aims to promote the
public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of
a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.
You are essentially correct ... we're not seeing much in
the way of a bona-fide state-run economy in those countries.
However the State DOES try to do a little "management" ...
but then all do. The "socialism" lies in the "nanny state"
aspect. A huge amount of taxes go to support it and the
State has full control.

But, even those countries are now having difficulties being
nannies. Foreign competitors have cut into their profits as
well ... and what citizens EXPECT from their nanny has
gone up. Now there's not enough money and it'd be too
destructive to raise taxes any more. Finland has cut
back on 'social services' already, Sweden and Norway
are gonna have to very soon. Even further south the
French nanny-state is struggling and the UK health
system is basically running on empty. Only the Germans
seem to do things pretty much right - but that's what
they pride themselves on.

Money taken in by the State as taxes is "dead money" ...
ie it's not out there making MORE money in the way it
would if it remained in the pockets of businesses and
citizens ... just becomes an account you write the
welfare checks on.

The economics of nanny states is, well, kinda tricky.
The biggest mistake HERE has been the "pot of
gold" problem. Write "Health Care" on the pot and
put 100 gold coins in there and the various providers
WILL find ways to make sure there isn't a single
coin left at the end of the year. Put 200 coins in there
the next year and, surprise, the pot will be empty
again. The various providers WILL raise their prices
in accordance with how many coins are in the pot
this year - they plan to get it ALL. Doesn't matter if
the price of THEM making a pill hasn't changed,
they'll charge double, triple, whatever so long as
they can use up every coin. "What the market will
bear" is an old phrase which is still apt.

Trump seems aware of this scam - this de-facto theft.
He's already put the bulls-eye on a few really prominent
cases of drug-price ripoffs, but in truth THIS issue will
be the #1 challenge of writing any new national health
law - as it's been the #1 failure with OCare.

"Greed control" is very DIFFICULT in a 'capitalist'-style
economy, hard to tell manufacturers/providers what
they're gonna charge for "X". "Competition" can help
a bit, but all in all industry prices tend to be pretty close
to each other. The theory of biz here is "Make as much
as you possibly can".

The Nordics and Germans ... business seems to practice
a little more self-control. They don't want to be branded as
price-gougers, they don't want to bankrupt the State
services system. It's a minor difference in biz philosophy
that winds up making a lot of difference downstream. It
is not particularly State-imposed either ... it's how they
think over there.

When they were creating OCare I said that Americans
couldn't create a good govt-health system - we didn't
think the right way. I said it'd cause uncontrollable
price gouging, I said it'd be leveraged to serve the
purposes of social crusaders and govt micromanagers
of every stripe. This is how Americans think and it's
why OCare couldn't survive. Read up on how badly
even Medicare is abused, why it consumes SO much
money even WITH attempts at controlling greed.

It's a problem.

Americans are not Swedes. Americans are not
Germans. We CAN'T copy their systems because
we don't think like they do.

I think all hospitals, all doctors offices, all pharmas,
everything and everyone "medical" would have to be
literally owned and operated by and for the govt in
order to control prices and access. Yer doc would
be a civil servant, the factory cooking yer blood
pressure pill would be owned & run by the govt.
It's the ONLY good way to control greed here, at
least in terms of medical offerings.

Well, there's one other way ... NO Medicare, NO
OCare, make health-insurance illegal ... in short
take away the pot of gold entirely. Alas that'd have
some pretty harsh consequences, VERY harsh.
No 'democratic' govt could survive it.
abelard
2017-03-04 10:48:35 UTC
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The Nordics and Germans ... business seems to practice
a little more self-control. They don't want to be branded as
price-gougers, they don't want to bankrupt the State
services system. It's a minor difference in biz philosophy
that winds up making a lot of difference downstream. It
is not particularly State-imposed either ... it's how they
think over there.
they drop quality...i avoid german goods where ever i can
directly because of it...
they keep people in 'education' often to the age of 30 to
lower wages...
they drive european manufacturers to the wall if they can
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When they were creating OCare I said that Americans
couldn't create a good govt-health system - we didn't
think the right way. I said it'd cause uncontrollable
price gouging, I said it'd be leveraged to serve the
purposes of social crusaders and govt micromanagers
of every stripe. This is how Americans think and it's
why OCare couldn't survive. Read up on how badly
even Medicare is abused, why it consumes SO much
money even WITH attempts at controlling greed.
It's a problem.
Americans are not Swedes. Americans are not
Germans. We CAN'T copy their systems because
we don't think like they do.
i agree that the 'thinking' pattern is different, unfortunately
o'barmy et al are far to dumb to appreciate that or even
to welcome it

imv it is good that there is a more free powerful country
but part of the cost is great corruption
in europe the corruption is in heavily effecting the union
cartels and they have their own special interest party
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I think all hospitals, all doctors offices, all pharmas,
everything and everyone "medical" would have to be
literally owned and operated by and for the govt in
order to control prices and access. Yer doc would
be a civil servant, the factory cooking yer blood
pressure pill would be owned & run by the govt.
It's the ONLY good way to control greed here, at
least in terms of medical offerings.
in france the medic have fixed rates from the government..

if they want more they have to go private...it's not much
different in he uk but we've had 15 (more?) years of
socialism

the union cartels remain intent on driving out the private
as they strive for full state dictatorship
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Well, there's one other way ... NO Medicare, NO
OCare, make health-insurance illegal ... in short
take away the pot of gold entirely. Alas that'd have
some pretty harsh consequences, VERY harsh.
No 'democratic' govt could survive it.
health care needs a two way split...catastrophe insurance
and a health savings account
the unions and the corps will both of course fight that
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Byker
2017-03-04 19:42:57 UTC
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Now there's not enough money and it'd be too destructive to raise taxes
any more. Finland has cut back on 'social services' already, Sweden and
Norway are gonna have to very soon. Even further south the French
nanny-state is struggling and the UK health system is basically running on
empty. Only the Germans seem to do things pretty much right - but that's
what they pride themselves on.
Mitt Romney was right about the 47% (now 50%) who vote for whoever keeps the
entitlements coming. As one European economist put it, "Once you have half
the voting-age population receiving government benefits, you can just write
the country off, because they'll vote socialist every time." Look at all the
"takers" in the U.S. who don't contribute anything but never fail to VOTE.
Mr. B1ack
2017-03-05 03:01:53 UTC
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Now there's not enough money and it'd be too destructive to raise taxes
any more. Finland has cut back on 'social services' already, Sweden and
Norway are gonna have to very soon. Even further south the French
nanny-state is struggling and the UK health system is basically running on
empty. Only the Germans seem to do things pretty much right - but that's
what they pride themselves on.
Mitt Romney was right about the 47% (now 50%) who vote for whoever keeps the
entitlements coming. As one European economist put it, "Once you have half
the voting-age population receiving government benefits, you can just write
the country off, because they'll vote socialist every time." Look at all the
"takers" in the U.S. who don't contribute anything but never fail to VOTE.
"Free money" is more addictive than heroin mixed
with meth - and just as bad for ya. I wish there was
some way to make it illegal to promise 'free money'
during political campaigns.

I did make one suggestion awhile back though ... pass
new laws that make it very difficult to give 'free money',
and very easy to STOP giving it ... ie a 2/3rds vote to
create any givaway program, only a simple majority
to vote it out of existence.
Byker
2017-03-05 15:27:55 UTC
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"Free money" is more addictive than heroin mixed
with meth - and just as bad for ya. I wish there was
some way to make it illegal to promise 'free money'
during political campaigns.
In 1960, entitlement payments accounted for well under a third of the
federal government’s total outlays. Today, entitlement spending accounts for
a full two-thirds of the federal budget.

While this spending certainly drains our federal coffers, it also has a very
real, long-lasting negative impact on the character of Americans.

Interesting chapter from "A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement
Epidemic" by Nicholas Eberstadt (2012): http://tinyurl.com/zoklrzn

Also by the same author:
https://www.aei.org/publication/yes-mr-president-we-are-a-nation-of-takers/

And it's not just the poor who are gaming the system:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/opinion/kristof-a-nation-of-takers.html
Mr. B1ack
2017-03-06 03:13:43 UTC
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"Free money" is more addictive than heroin mixed
with meth - and just as bad for ya. I wish there was
some way to make it illegal to promise 'free money'
during political campaigns.
In 1960, entitlement payments accounted for well under a third of the
federal government’s total outlays. Today, entitlement spending accounts for
a full two-thirds of the federal budget.
While this spending certainly drains our federal coffers, it also has a very
real, long-lasting negative impact on the character of Americans.
Interesting chapter from "A Nation of Takers: America's Entitlement
Epidemic" by Nicholas Eberstadt (2012): http://tinyurl.com/zoklrzn
https://www.aei.org/publication/yes-mr-president-we-are-a-nation-of-takers/
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/27/opinion/kristof-a-nation-of-takers.html
The actual money aspect ... that's unsustainable, maybe
even in the medium term. It's that "character" aspect that
worries me the most - the idea that you somehow just
*deserve* to have a bucket of money poured over your
head because ... well ... just BECAUSE. People who think
that way are useless people - their whole lives will center
around inventing more 'reasons' they should get money
for doing nothing.

Oleg Smirnov
2017-03-02 23:10:10 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had
decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels
from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised
racism, and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism
justified itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the
governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position,
demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the
rule of law was designed in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show
how Britain's Industrial Revolution was founded on India's
deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its textile industry. In this
bold and incisive reassessment of colonialism, Tharoor exposes to
devastating effect the inglorious reality of Britain's stained Indian
legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an
example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
abelard
2017-03-02 23:59:09 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:39:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it had
decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew rebels
from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched institutionalised
racism, and caused millions to die from starvation. British imperialism
justified itself as enlightened despotism for the benefit of the
governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes this position,
demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from the railways to the
rule of law was designed in Britain's interests alone. He goes on to show
how Britain's Industrial Revolution was founded on India's
deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its textile industry. In this
bold and incisive reassessment of colonialism, Tharoor exposes to
devastating effect the inglorious reality of Britain's stained Indian
legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an
example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
not whataboutary...

neither do you have a point...you are very blunt ruski troll
--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2017-03-03 00:10:38 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:39:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an
example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
not whataboutary...
neither do you have a point...you are very blunt ruski troll
Nor personal attacks and ethnic insults would disprove it.
abelard
2017-03-03 00:19:27 UTC
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Post by abelard
Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:39:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf dictatorships
that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in Syria is an
example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
not whataboutary...
neither do you have a point...you are very blunt ruski troll
Nor personal attacks and ethnic insults would disprove it.
you poor little defenseless troll...

you'll make me cry
--
www.abelard.org
Oleg Smirnov
2017-03-03 00:32:18 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 03:10:38 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 02:10:10 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:39:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means
of the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf
dictatorships that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in
Syria is an example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those
opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
not whataboutary...
neither do you have a point...you are very blunt ruski troll
Nor personal attacks and ethnic insults would disprove it.
you poor little defenseless troll...
you'll make me cry
Keep up jumping.
abelard
2017-03-03 00:35:04 UTC
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 03:10:38 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 02:10:10 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
On Fri, 3 Mar 2017 00:39:05 +0300, "Oleg Smirnov"
Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by James Harris
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means
of the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
The contemporary British play in favor of the friendly gulf
dictatorships that spread extremist ideologies and fund the jihadis in
Syria is an example of moral untidiness essentially similar to those
opium issues.
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
not whataboutary...
neither do you have a point...you are very blunt ruski troll
Nor personal attacks and ethnic insults would disprove it.
you poor little defenseless troll...
you'll make me cry
Keep up jumping.
my you are so strong...do you also ride tigers naked through the
siberian forests?

i do so admire your incredible power of repartee...

do tell us about your nuclear arsenal
--
www.abelard.org
Byker
2017-03-03 01:34:12 UTC
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Post by abelard
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
Had Russia colonized India instead of the British, Mahatma Gandhi would have
been arrested, shot, and soon forgotten...
abelard
2017-03-03 02:15:36 UTC
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Post by Oleg Smirnov
Post by abelard
i assume you mean the murderous socialist extremism
spread from moscow ...and otherwise all around the world
Whataboutism can't disprove my point.
Had Russia colonized India instead of the British, Mahatma Gandhi would have
been arrested, shot, and soon forgotten...
such is socialism...such is primitivism
--
www.abelard.org
Basil Jet
2017-03-03 02:56:17 UTC
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Had Russia colonized India instead of the British, Mahatma Gandhi would
have been arrested, shot, and soon forgotten...
And yet Lech Walesa was not shot.
abelard
2017-03-03 10:15:34 UTC
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Post by Byker
Had Russia colonized India instead of the British, Mahatma Gandhi would
have been arrested, shot, and soon forgotten...
And yet Lech Walesa was not shot.
neither was mandela...now why do you suppose that would be?
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MM
2017-03-03 08:01:41 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
And maybe China whom Britain forced to hurt their own people by means of
the Opium wars.
But that's far in the past. Time moves on. So should you.
Sweep it under the carpet, you mean.

MM
Pelican
2017-03-02 21:34:11 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
There is no limit to the voices deeply committed to being a victim. And
no limit to those prepared to swallow nonsense.
Basil Jet
2017-03-02 22:20:01 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
Are you going to give us a similar screed about the effect Germany is
currently having on Greece?
MM
2017-03-03 08:08:14 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
Are you going to give us a similar screed about the effect Germany is
currently having on Greece?
Germany is HELPING Greece! Greece is finally learning the lesson to be
*responsible* for its economy. This causes pain, sure, but it's the
only way. And it's working, because Greece hardly ever features in the
headlines any more. Heads down, buckle to. Whenever I see recent
footage of Greek life, they all seem well fed and drive around in nice
cars, so life cannot be as bad as the Daily Heil once made out.

And if you're so concerned about the poor, poor Greeks, why not spend
your summer hols there as a tourist? Sure, after Brexit you're not
going to get as many euros for your weakened pound, but hey, that's
YOUR problem that you brought upon yourself! Perhaps you need some
German lessons, too. Heil Dacre!

MM
harry
2017-03-03 17:51:13 UTC
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Post by Basil Jet
Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
Are you going to give us a similar screed about the effect Germany is
currently having on Greece?
Germany is HELPING Greece! Greece is finally learning the lesson to be
*responsible* for its economy. This causes pain, sure, but it's the
only way. And it's working, because Greece hardly ever features in the
headlines any more. Heads down, buckle to. Whenever I see recent
footage of Greek life, they all seem well fed and drive around in nice
cars, so life cannot be as bad as the Daily Heil once made out.
And if you're so concerned about the poor, poor Greeks, why not spend
your summer hols there as a tourist? Sure, after Brexit you're not
going to get as many euros for your weakened pound, but hey, that's
YOUR problem that you brought upon yourself! Perhaps you need some
German lessons, too. Heil Dacre!
MM
I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
Ian Jackson
2017-03-03 19:51:11 UTC
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I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
If Brexit goes badly, you'll be able to take a third world holiday in
the UK.
--
Ian
Vidcapper
2017-03-04 07:24:29 UTC
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Post by harry
I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
If Brexit goes badly, you'll be able to take a third world holiday in
the UK.
Is that a subtle reference to the level of non-EU immigration?
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Ian Jackson
2017-03-04 09:32:17 UTC
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I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
If Brexit goes badly, you'll be able to take a third world holiday in
the UK.
Is that a subtle reference to the level of non-EU immigration?
If we stopped both EU and non-EU immigration, we would indeed become a
third world country.
--
Ian
tim...
2017-03-04 10:09:49 UTC
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Post by harry
I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
If Brexit goes badly, you'll be able to take a third world holiday in
the UK.
Is that a subtle reference to the level of non-EU immigration?
If we stopped both EU and non-EU immigration, we would indeed become a
third world country.
except that we wouldn't

a third world country is not "defined" by how rich its economy is, but by
much government provides for its citizens.

Some third world countries actually have quite rich economies (those
countries blessed with vast mineral wealth) but due to corrupt government
they remain third world in terms of spending.

the problem that the UK has is that we have a government that spends more
than it earns in order to provide "riches" for all.

And politically, I don't see that changing even if the economy tanks because
of Brexit (or any other reason for that matter), I wish it would, we have
got ourselves into an unsustainable place IMHO.

tim
MM
2017-03-05 11:57:59 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by harry
I often spend my holidays in third world countries.
Where have you been?
If Brexit goes badly, you'll be able to take a third world holiday in
the UK.
Yeah, we'll have that Alex Polizzi going around the country, comparing
soup kitchens.

"Lots of tasty, imported potatoes in the Famine Broth!"

Still, at least the population will lose its dubious medal as the
fattest in Europe.

MM
Byker
2017-03-03 00:29:58 UTC
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"saracene" wrote in message news:9cc2456f-a72c-44df-a0e8-***@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 9:10:17 PM UTC, MM wrote:

http://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/inglorious-empire/
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But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
Hate Britain, don't you?
Seems that Shashi Tharoor has a dark past:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.639699

He also demands that Britain pay "reparations":


That's just not gonna happen. Sorry, curry-muncher...
Pelican
2017-03-03 00:38:10 UTC
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http://www.hurstpublishers.com/book/inglorious-empire/
Post by MM
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
Hate Britain, don't you?
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.639699
http://youtu.be/f7CW7S0zxv4
That's just not gonna happen. Sorry, curry-muncher...
A smear! Who woulda thunk-it.
MM
2017-03-03 08:10:11 UTC
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That's just not gonna happen. Sorry, curry-muncher...
"Curry-munchers" describes practically the entire British working
classes, whose favourite meal is a curry.

MM
Vidcapper
2017-03-03 07:15:19 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
Oh goody, yet another iconoclastic book that claims that the British
Empire did no good whatsoever.

Whenever I read articles like this, I always think of the classic 'Life
Of Brian' scene - 'What have the Romans ever done for us?'
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
harry
2017-03-03 07:53:21 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
All these shitholes have gone downhill since we left them.
Except where there were enough white men.
Eg, USA, Australia, Canada. New Zealand
MM
2017-03-03 17:38:40 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
All these shitholes have gone downhill since we left them.
Except where there were enough white men.
Eg, USA, Australia, Canada. New Zealand
Sorry to disappoint, but

"German Americans (German: Deutschamerikaner) are citizens of the
United States of German ancestry and form the largest ancestry group
in the United States, accounting for 17% of U.S. population."

So, white, but not British. Now hand in the gun before you shoot
yourself in the other foot.

MM
pullgees
2017-03-03 08:23:54 UTC
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Post by MM
"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
Business rarely puts the grief of history or politics before trade, the reason Germany will not jeopardise it's trade with the UK.
Nick
2017-03-03 16:20:40 UTC
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"In the eighteenth century, India's share of the world economy was as
large as Europe's. By 1947, after two centuries of British rule, it
had decreased six-fold. Beyond conquest and deception, the Empire blew
rebels from cannon, massacred unarmed protesters, entrenched
institutionalised racism, and caused millions to die from starvation.
British imperialism justified itself as enlightened despotism for the
benefit of the governed, but Shashi Tharoor takes on and demolishes
this position, demonstrating how every supposed imperial 'gift' from
the railways to the rule of law was designed in Britain's interests
alone. He goes on to show how Britain's Industrial Revolution was
founded on India's deindustrialisation, and the destruction of its
textile industry. In this bold and incisive reassessment of
colonialism, Tharoor exposes to devastating effect the inglorious
reality of Britain's stained Indian legacy."
This is talking about share of the world economy during the period that
Europe went through the Industrial Revolution. Did India's economy
decline or was it just the Europe's economy underwent massive growth?
Post by MM
Available from all good book sellers.
But not to worry, as we will be expecting new trade deals with India
soon.
MM
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