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The Todal
2017-09-26 14:39:23 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.

This sort of thing keeps happening:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder

The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.

The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.

The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.

Danaie said he felt offended by the letter and its self-assured tone:
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
R. Mark Clayton
2017-09-26 16:00:01 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
Well I don't like Amber Rudd, but that the HO is staffed with bone brained jobsworths is nothing new (see my earlier post about them trying to deport a doctor because of their single character typo).

Turning this sort of ingrained culture around takes a long time, although one might wish there was some political impetus behind it.

Oddly, although a rightard, the Late David Waddington was quite enlightened in this regard sorting out a number of major miscarriages of justice while Home Secretary.
Ian Jackson
2017-09-26 18:30:39 UTC
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The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly,
Even worse, there's the use of what appears to be a present tense, where
there should actually be a subjunctive. The sentence would also be
better with a "that" (although, arguably, this is optional).

"..... we are requesting the Secretary of State for Transport *revokes*
your driving licence ..... "

instead of

"..... we are requesting that the Secretary of State for Transport
revoke your driving licence ..... "

Shocking!
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MM
2017-09-27 11:47:36 UTC
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Post by The Todal
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly,
Even worse, there's the use of what appears to be a present tense, where
there should actually be a subjunctive. The sentence would also be
better with a "that" (although, arguably, this is optional).
"..... we are requesting the Secretary of State for Transport *revokes*
your driving licence ..... "
instead of
"..... we are requesting that the Secretary of State for Transport
revoke your driving licence ..... "
Shocking!
Why not:

"We have requested the Secretary of State for Transport to revoke your
driving licence ..... "

The present tense is being used far too much nowadays. I avoid novels
written thus.

MM

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Basil Jet
2017-09-26 19:17:09 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
What do these letters look like?
I'd like to mock one up and send it to Bummer Rod.
Incubus
2017-09-27 08:03:31 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.

You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
abelard
2017-09-27 08:47:34 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.
You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
what choice does she have?
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tim...
2017-09-27 17:47:50 UTC
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Post by The Todal
Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for "an unfortunate error"
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he "should take steps to
leave the UK immediately".
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
"It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately." He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
"voluntary return" there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.
You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
what choice does she have?
other newspapers are available

tim
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The Todal
2017-09-27 10:38:12 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department
staffed by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate
error” in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible
deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps
to leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by
the Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home
Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.”
He said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.
You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up. They
would say "the buck stops here". Not any more. Ministers insulate
themselves from the consequences of their actions. There will be
scapegoats and the minister will carry on regardless.
Joe
2017-09-27 11:23:52 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
You have a long memory. Who was the last minister to do so?
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The Todal
2017-09-27 11:53:12 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
You have a long memory. Who was the last minister to do so?
Maybe Lord Carrington. This is a useful analysis of ministerial
responsibility for the faults of their department:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_ministerial_responsibility
Handsome Jack
2017-09-27 15:59:01 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge
Theresa May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a
department staffed by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-s
cientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully
resident migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a
month after the home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for
“an unfortunate error” in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals
they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a
research scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday
telling him that his driving licence was being revoked and he
“should take steps to leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to
Britain for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was
issued by the Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate
of the Home Office.
Danaie said he felt offended by the letter and its self-assured
tone: “It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing
immediately.” He said while there was a phone number to call for
assistance with a “voluntary return” there was no number to
dispute the basis of the letter. Instead he had to rely on sending
an email and hoping somebody would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.
You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
Civil servants fuck up literally *all* the time. The DWP is a byword for
incompetence. HMRC would be laughable if it didn't have the power to
seize the bank accounts of people who laughed at it.
Post by The Todal
They would say "the buck stops here".
Only, I think, if the error is particularly grave one, or a persistent
or systemic error that should have been corrected from higher up.
Post by The Todal
Not any more. Ministers insulate themselves from the consequences of
their actions. There will be scapegoats and the minister will carry on
regardless.
As has always been the case.
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2017-09-27 17:48:45 UTC
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Amber Rudd should resign. She certainly isn't fit to challenge Theresa
May for the leadership. She's a nitwit in charge of a department staffed
by inexperienced kids.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/26/leave-uk-immediately-scientist-is-latest-victim-of-home-office-blunder
The Home Office is still sending out letters telling lawfully resident
migrants in Britain that they must leave the country a month after the
home secretary, Amber Rudd, had to apologise for “an unfortunate error”
in mistakenly telling 100 EU nationals they faced possible deportation.
The Home Office had to issue a further apology on Monday to a research
scientist who received a letter out of the blue on Friday telling him
that his driving licence was being revoked and he “should take steps to
leave the UK immediately”.
The Immigration Enforcement letter, in which his name was not even
spelled correctly, also warned him that he could face six months in
prison, forcible removal from the UK and a ban on returning to Britain
for up to 10 years if he did not leave voluntarily. It was issued by the
Croydon-based interventions and sanctions directorate of the Home Office.
“It did not leave any doubt that we have to get packing immediately.” He
said while there was a phone number to call for assistance with a
“voluntary return” there was no number to dispute the basis of the
letter. Instead he had to rely on sending an email and hoping somebody
would respond within a 10-day deadline.
The fault lies with the Civil Service, not the Home Secretary.
You really shouldn't let the Guardian do your thinking for you.
In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps

not for minor admin cock ups

tim
R. Mark Clayton
2017-09-28 10:00:21 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school child.
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2017-09-29 09:08:59 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible
when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't
correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school
child.
I seem to have missed your post about this (perhaps due to the Eternal
September cock up), and thus cannot evaluate the problem

tim
R. Mark Clayton
2017-09-29 10:13:55 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible
when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't
correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school
child.
I seem to have missed your post about this (perhaps due to the Eternal
September cock up), and thus cannot evaluate the problem
tim
Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her visa had an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so when she returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven day removal order.

Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it corrected >:-(
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible
when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't
correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school
child.
I seem to have missed your post about this (perhaps due to the Eternal
September cock up), and thus cannot evaluate the problem
tim
Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her visa had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so when she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
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Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in your day
job (I do, or did when I had one)

you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it

tim
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2017-09-30 18:25:04 UTC
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible
when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't
correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school
child.
I seem to have missed your post about this (perhaps due to the Eternal
September cock up), and thus cannot evaluate the problem
tim
Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her visa had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so when she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
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Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in your day
job (I do, or did when I had one)
you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it
tim
People make mistakes all the time, but if they make an obvious mistake, one that will ruin someone's life, then I would expect them to correct it. Michael O'Leary might not be very good at running an airline, but if his planes crashed...
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In the past, ministers resigned when their departments fucked up.
for strategic errors perhaps
not for minor admin cock ups
tim
Not responsible for trivial typos on important documents. Are responsible
when deportation orders are served [on a doctor] because jobsworths won't
correct their own typos that would be obvious even to a primary school
child.
I seem to have missed your post about this (perhaps due to the Eternal
September cock up), and thus cannot evaluate the problem
tim
Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her visa had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so when she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in your day
job (I do, or did when I had one)
you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it
tim
People make mistakes all the time, but if they make an obvious mistake,
one that will ruin someone's life, then I would expect them to correct it.
you haven't provided any evidence that they didn't

tim
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2017-10-01 12:30:37 UTC
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Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her visa had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so when she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in your day
job (I do, or did when I had one)
you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it
tim
People make mistakes all the time, but if they make an obvious mistake,
one that will ruin someone's life, then I would expect them to correct it.
you haven't provided any evidence that they didn't
They only did when an MP intervened. That's how pig headed / stupid / useless jobsworths they are. Do you attend the HO during normal working hours or something?
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Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her
visa
had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so
when
she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in
your
day
job (I do, or did when I had one)
you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it
tim
People make mistakes all the time, but if they make an obvious mistake,
one that will ruin someone's life, then I would expect them to correct it.
you haven't provided any evidence that they didn't
They only did when an MP intervened. That's how pig headed / stupid /
useless jobsworths they are. Do you attend the HO during normal working
hours or something?
what makes you think that I go there at all?

All I need to know that they are likely to make admin mistakes is know that
they are a large organisation (or are you going to challenge how I know
that)

tim
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2017-10-02 14:09:32 UTC
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Doctor qualified from a UK medical school and was offered a job in the
University's hospital. All forms etc. submitted correctly, but a numpty
at the HO misspelled / mispelt her name in their records, so her
visa
had
an extra character in her name (e.g. Miliband and Milliband), so
when
she
returned from holiday to start work they let her in (perhaps because her
previous student visa was still valid), but then served her with a seven
day removal order.
ok, so then what happened
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Not unique - HO changed my date of birth on a walked through renewal
passport, had to go to Liverpool again the following day to get it
corrected >:-(
staff make admin errors occur all the time - I bet you make them in
your
day
job (I do, or did when I had one)
you can't expect what is effectively the MD to resign because of it
tim
People make mistakes all the time, but if they make an obvious mistake,
one that will ruin someone's life, then I would expect them to correct it.
you haven't provided any evidence that they didn't
They only did when an MP intervened. That's how pig headed / stupid /
useless jobsworths they are. Do you attend the HO during normal working
hours or something?
what makes you think that I go there at all?
All I need to know that they are likely to make admin mistakes is know that
they are a large organisation (or are you going to challenge how I know
that)
tim
round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what is different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct even the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead take draconian action against individuals. What you need to realise is that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that lies at the top, not the clerk who mistypes something.
Ian Jackson
2017-10-02 15:58:16 UTC
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round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what is
different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct even
the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead take
draconian action against individuals. What you need to realise is that
the culture is wrong and responsibility for that lies at the top, not
the clerk who mistypes something.
Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian,
yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
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Ian
The Todal
2017-10-11 15:32:12 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what is
different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct even
the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead take
draconian action against individuals.  What you need to realise is
that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that lies at the top,
not the clerk who mistypes something.
Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian, yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
And the Home Office is *still* incompetent. What a bunch of cunts.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/11/home-office-couple-living-legally-in-uk-criminals

A Spanish woman who has lived in the UK for 15 years has accused the
Home Office of treating her family like criminals after her American
husband and the father of her three children applied for a permanent
residency (PR) card.

In a three-year ordeal, the Home Office threatened to deport the
historian Stuart Ross three times, suggested he was lying about his
wife’s work as a Spanish language teacher and refused to accept a
judge’s verdict in a Belfast court that officials had been wrong to
refuse the 49-year-old a PR card when he first applied in 2013.

“It was really frustrating and I am still angry,” said Maria Cristina
Úbeda Tuero-O’Donnell, 41. “They treated us like criminals. We couldn’t
travel because they had our passports. I was pregnant and I couldn’t
travel on my own. I am an only child and my parents are elderly, but I
couldn’t see them. My family in Spain couldn’t understand and were
asking: ‘Why, what did you do?’”
Handsome Jack
2017-10-11 16:26:44 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what
is different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct
even the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead
take draconian action against individuals.  What you need to realise
is that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that lies at the
top, not the clerk who mistypes something.
Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian, yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
And the Home Office is *still* incompetent. What a bunch of cunts.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/11/home-office-couple-livin
g-legally-in-uk-criminals
The Guardian does not give a full chronology of this case, except the
date of 2-013 for the first application for permanent residency.

That was three years before the referendum, so we can assume HO's
behaviour had absolutely fuck all to do with Brexit (which FAOD was the
original reason why people here have suddenly started moaning about HO
incompetence in processing residency applications).
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Jack
The Todal
2017-10-11 16:41:18 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what
is  different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct
even  the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead
take  draconian action against individuals.  What you need to
realise is  that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that
lies at the top,  not the clerk who mistypes something.
 Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian, yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
And the Home Office is *still* incompetent. What a bunch of cunts.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/11/home-office-couple-livin
g-legally-in-uk-criminals
The Guardian does not give a full chronology of this case, except the
date of 2-013 for the first application for permanent residency.
That was three years before the referendum, so we can assume HO's
behaviour had absolutely fuck all to do with Brexit (which FAOD was the
original reason why people here have suddenly started moaning about HO
incompetence in processing residency applications).
I don't see it as a Brexit issue.

However, it has been pointed out by many in the know that the desperate
urgency to find civil servants to help with Brexit negotiations has left
the civil service desperately understaffed when carrying out its routine
duties. Blunders and incompetence can be expected in most departments as
the new recruits and the interns struggle to get to grips with the
paperwork.
tim...
2017-10-11 16:59:48 UTC
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Post by The Todal
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what is
different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct even
the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead take
draconian action against individuals. What you need to realise is
that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that lies at the top,
not the clerk who mistypes something.
Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian, yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
And the Home Office is *still* incompetent. What a bunch of cunts.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/11/home-office-couple-livin
g-legally-in-uk-criminals
The Guardian does not give a full chronology of this case, except the
date of 2-013 for the first application for permanent residency.
That was three years before the referendum, so we can assume HO's
behaviour had absolutely fuck all to do with Brexit (which FAOD was the
original reason why people here have suddenly started moaning about HO
incompetence in processing residency applications).
I don't see it as a Brexit issue.
However, it has been pointed out by many in the know that the desperate
urgency to find civil servants to help with Brexit negotiations has left
the civil service desperately understaffed when carrying out its routine
duties. Blunders and incompetence can be expected in most departments as
the new recruits and the interns struggle to get to grips with the
paperwork.
but it takes a certain sort of incompetence not to understand the difference
between official tax returns and private tax records

tim
Handsome Jack
2017-10-11 19:54:59 UTC
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However, it has been pointed out by many in the know that the desperate
urgency to find civil servants to help with Brexit negotiations has
left the civil service desperately understaffed when carrying out its
routine duties. Blunders and incompetence can be expected in most
departments as the new recruits and the interns struggle to get to
grips with the paperwork.
Do you seriously think the people transferred to DEXEU to do
Brexit-related policy analysis were the numpties who had spent their
lives processing routine residence applications?
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Jack
R. Mark Clayton
2017-10-12 11:16:58 UTC
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round and round you go - yes there are always admin mistakes, what
is  different about the HO is that they won't recognise and correct
even  the most blatantly obvious of their own mistakes, but instead
take  draconian action against individuals.  What you need to
realise is  that the culture is wrong and responsibility for that
lies at the top,  not the clerk who mistypes something.
 Are some of these 'mistakes' now 'deliberate'?
"Brussels investigates UK over deported EU citizens" (Guardian, yesterday)
http://bit.ly/2yjiFRc
And the Home Office is *still* incompetent. What a bunch of cunts.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/11/home-office-couple-livin
g-legally-in-uk-criminals
The Guardian does not give a full chronology of this case, except the
date of 2-013 for the first application for permanent residency.
That was three years before the referendum, so we can assume HO's
behaviour had absolutely fuck all to do with Brexit (which FAOD was the
original reason why people here have suddenly started moaning about HO
incompetence in processing residency applications).
I don't see it as a Brexit issue.
Indeed the thread is about Home Office incompetence and bloody mindedness. If there is a hard Brexit these numpties will make things even worse.
Post by The Todal
However, it has been pointed out by many in the know that the desperate
urgency to find civil servants to help with Brexit negotiations has left
the civil service desperately understaffed when carrying out its routine
duties. Blunders and incompetence can be expected in most departments as
the new recruits and the interns struggle to get to grips with the
paperwork.
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