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Mr Pounder Esquire
2017-08-07 16:43:57 UTC
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I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.

"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html

"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".

I don't understand.
Typo?
Caecilius
2017-08-07 16:51:45 UTC
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Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.

The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
tim...
2017-08-07 17:08:28 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant

why such an odd number

BICBW

tim
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2017-08-07 18:10:05 UTC
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Post by Caecilius
On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
I assumed he meant why such a low number? BICBW,too.
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jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2017-08-07 18:16:47 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
2/3 of a year.
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The Peeler
2017-08-07 20:07:02 UTC
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I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
2/3 of a year.
You certainly got 2/3 of a brain, serb cretin!
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Mr Pounder Esquire
2017-08-07 18:19:15 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2017-08-07 18:53:18 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
In the Great Satan it would be 999 years with no chance of parole.
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"We CAN hide forever."
- Klaun Shittinb'ricks (1940 - ), acknowledging that he will
NEVER prove where he infests or give his real jew name

"Die Juden sind unser Unglück!"
- Heinrich von Treitschke (1834 - 1896)

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out
because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade
Unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a Trade
Unionist. Then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out
because I did not give a shit. Then they came for me and there
wasn't a single commie bastard left to speak for me."
- Martin Niemöller (1892 - 1984)

Illuc nisi Dei gratia vadam.
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2017-08-07 20:09:57 UTC
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Post by tim...
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
In the Great Satan it would be 999 years with no chance of parole.
Would it, psycho? <BG>
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2017-08-07 19:38:42 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison. He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe and will be recalled if he starts casing gay bars and buying petrol in cans...
BurfordTJustice
2017-08-07 19:59:53 UTC
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LOL....
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison. He
won't be paroled unless it is thought safe and will be recalled if he
starts casing gay bars and buying petrol in cans...
GB
2017-08-07 21:30:11 UTC
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It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison. He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe and will be recalled if he starts casing gay bars and buying petrol in cans...
The 3 years seems on the low side. His previous arson sentence was 8 years.
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2017-08-08 06:11:30 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!

Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.

and will be recalled if
Post by R. Mark Clayton
he starts casing gay bars and buying petrol in cans...
What's to stop him syphoning it of a tank, rather than buying it in cans?
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2017-08-08 07:19:35 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
not for "lifers"

tim
Farmer Giles
2017-08-09 06:03:13 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.

Those serving indeterminate sentences - like lifers - certainly do not
get released as a 'matter of course' (what 'course' would that be?). You
are confusing things with the past. It was the case some years ago that
those serving determinate sentences of four years or more could be
released at the half-way stage with the approval of the Parole Board -
otherwise they served two thirds. However, the procedure was a good deal
more lengthy and complicated than just 'bluffing' their way through the
review.





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2017-08-09 06:49:42 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.
That's the problem!

No prisoner should be released until they have served at lest 75%s of
their sentence, and only then if everyone involved is totally convinced
they are genuinely reformed.

Perhaps there should be something akin to a jury to assist in parole
board decisions, as *they* would not be inclined to grant parole just
for a 'quiet life'.
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Farmer Giles
2017-08-09 07:45:29 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.
That's the problem!
You've changed your tune, I see. The topic is about how and when someone
given a life sentence will be released on parole. When the process is
explained you call it 'bullshit'. Now you want to attack a different
subject, which is how and when those serving a determinate sentence are
released.
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No prisoner should be released until they have served at lest 75%s of
their sentence, and only then if everyone involved is totally convinced
they are genuinely reformed.
Perhaps there should be something akin to a jury to assist in parole
board decisions, as *they* would not be inclined to grant parole just
for a 'quiet life'.
Once again you demonstrate what an idiot you are, and someone who just
can't help sounding about things that you neither have the ability nor
knowledge to understand.

I know you don't like evidence, especially if it goes against
half-witted your prejudices, but perhaps you'd like to redeem yourself
somewhat by showing the evidence you have for the claim that prisoners
are released on parole just for a 'quiet life'?









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2017-08-09 17:21:54 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.
That's the problem!
You've changed your tune, I see. The topic is about how and when someone
given a life sentence will be released on parole. When the process is
explained you call it 'bullshit'. Now you want to attack a different
subject, which is how and when those serving a determinate sentence are
released.
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No prisoner should be released until they have served at lest 75%s of
their sentence, and only then if everyone involved is totally
convinced they are genuinely reformed.
Perhaps there should be something akin to a jury to assist in parole
board decisions, as *they* would not be inclined to grant parole just
for a 'quiet life'.
Once again you demonstrate what an idiot you are, and someone who just
can't help sounding about things that you neither have the ability nor
knowledge to understand.
I know you don't like evidence, especially if it goes against
half-witted your prejudices, but perhaps you'd like to redeem yourself
somewhat by showing the evidence you have for the claim that prisoners
are released on parole just for a 'quiet life'?
Looks like the 'bullshitter' has run away. I wonder why?


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2017-08-10 06:06:24 UTC
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Looks like the 'bullshitter' has run away. I wonder why?
Easy - what's the point in trying to argue with someone who thinks
debating means 'restating their original position regardless of how
flawed the evidence is they use to support it'.
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Farmer Giles
2017-08-10 06:40:47 UTC
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Looks like the 'bullshitter' has run away. I wonder why?
Easy - what's the point in trying to argue with someone who thinks
debating means 'restating their original position regardless of how
flawed the evidence is they use to support it'.
And what 'flawed evidence' is that, halfwit?

Someone here made a perfectly reasonable - and correct - statement, and
you flew in the say 'bullshit'. Not only were you offensive for no
reason, you were wrong - and were shown to be wrong - and now you try to
claim the moral high ground!

You're an idiot, pure and simple.


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2017-08-11 12:45:20 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
It is a life sentence with a minimum of 3 and 2/3 years in prison.
He won't be paroled unless it is thought safe
Bullshit!
Parole comes up as a matter of course, and prisoners bluff their way
through the review just so they can get out.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.
That's the problem!
No prisoner should be released until they have served at lest 75%s of
their sentence, and only then if everyone involved is totally convinced
they are genuinely reformed.
Perhaps there should be something akin to a jury to assist in parole
board decisions, as *they* would not be inclined to grant parole just
for a 'quiet life'.
No prisoner should be released until they have served at least 100% of
their sentence.

That might enforce a review of the length of sentences (to be fair, in a
downward direction), but it would also require a more structured and
more easily-satisfied system of sentence extensions for "bad behaviour".
Paul Cummins
2017-08-13 17:43:00 UTC
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No prisoner should be released until they have served at lest 75%s
of their sentence, and only then if everyone involved is totally
convinced they are genuinely reformed.
You need to tell your MP that - All determinate prisoners are entitled to
release at the 1/2 way point.
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2017-08-09 08:57:40 UTC
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You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course' at
the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not involved.
For sentences over 12 months they are, however, still on probation until
the end of the sentence, and could be recalled to jail if you break the
conditions.

Jeff
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2017-08-09 11:49:41 UTC
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Post by Farmer Giles
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Prisoners serving
determinate sentences are released on licence 'as a matter of course'
at the half-way stage - it is not 'parole', the Parole Board are not
involved.
For sentences over 12 months they are, however, still on probation until
the end of the sentence, and could be recalled to jail if you break the
conditions.
Jeff
They are released on 'licence' - as was said above.

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Soft on Crime!
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
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I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
BICBW
tim
I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
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2017-08-08 07:49:00 UTC
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I was confused by "life in prison" meaning 3 years and 244 days.
He wasn;t sentenced to Life in Prison.

He was sentenced to Life Imprisonment.

There is a subtle difference.
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2017-08-07 19:00:39 UTC
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I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I assumed that he meant
why such an odd number
Five and a half years with a one third discount for pleading guilty?

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2017-08-07 18:15:03 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
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I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I see.
Pity that this was not explained in the news report. I doubt that I was the
only one that was confused.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Farmer Giles
2017-08-07 20:25:31 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report
names names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south
London gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum
sentence of three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
I see.
Pity that this was not explained in the news report. I doubt that I was the
only one that was confused.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
All life sentences are usually given a recommended minimum term.
However, unlike determinate sentences, release is not automatic - and he
could be there for the rest of his natural life if he is not considered
to be suitable for release. He will, in addition, be on licence for life
and can be recalled at any time - and detained indefinitely, without a
further trial. That is why it is a life sentence.


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2017-08-08 06:07:42 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
The term 'Life Sentence' has become meaningless nowadays - IMO unless
it's meant *literally*, an alternative term should be used.
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Paul Cummins
2017-08-08 08:59:00 UTC
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The term 'Life Sentence' has become meaningless nowadays
Can you show us a time when, historically, it was meaningful then?

Life has never meant "life IN prison"
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2017-08-11 12:42:29 UTC
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On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 17:43:57 +0100, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
Post by Mr Pounder Esquire
I was going to post this to the moderated group, but as the report names
names I thought they may take a dim view of it.
"A man has been jailed for life after setting fire to a busy south London
gay bar for the second time".
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/man-jailed-for-life-for-setting-fire-to-busy-clapham-gay-bar-a-second-time-a3605851.html
"He was sentenced to life in prison on Friday with a minimum sentence of
three years and 244 days".
I don't understand.
Typo?
Arson with intent to endanger life has a maximum sentence of life
imprisonment.
The sentence given means the person will be eligible for parole after
3 years and 244 days and, if and when released, will be on life
license thereafter.
The term 'Life Sentence' has become meaningless nowadays - IMO unless
it's meant *literally*, an alternative term should be used.
Well, not all life sentences are imposed for murder.

But where the sentence *is* imposed on conviction for murder, it needs
to be remembered that it replaced the death sentence (for a significant
proportion of convictions) and therefore needs to be served in full
(unless the convict magages to win an appeal within an acceptably short
time after conviction).

In 1965 when the Labour government of the day was busily removing the
most effective deterrent* against murder, no-one ever let slip that the
replacement life-sentence was going to be as short a a handful of years
in prison - or less.

[* The number of murders per annum in Great Britain has at least
quadrupled since the mid-sixties. Murders don't even make the front page
any more.]
Paul Cummins
2017-08-13 17:43:00 UTC
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In 1965 when the Labour government of the day was busily removing
the most effective deterrent* against murder, no-one ever let slip
that the replacement life-sentence was going to be as short a a
handful of years in prison - or less.
You do realise that, even by 1964, the Death Penalty was only used for
the minority of murders, and then normally (more than 50%) commuted?
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[* The number of murders per annum in Great Britain has at least
quadrupled since the mid-sixties. Murders don't even make the front
page any more.]
Funny, the figures don;t support this claim. When the death penalty was
first suspended in 1965 and then abolished in 1969, the roof didn't fall
in.

During 1964 there were 296 murders in England and Wales, including the
murder for which Evans and Allen were hanged. When the gallows were
mothballed in 1965 there were 325 murders. It’s true that annual homicide
rates then rose for the next quarter of a century, reaching a peak of
more than 1,000 in 2002 (when 172 murders were attributed to Harold
Shipman alone), but since then they have fallen back precipitously and
homicides are now at their lowest level in about 30 years.

The overall population has, of course, increased significantly in that
time.
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2017-08-14 13:05:00 UTC
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In 1965 when the Labour government of the day was busily removing
the most effective deterrent* against murder, no-one ever let slip
that the replacement life-sentence was going to be as short a a
handful of years in prison - or less.
You do realise that, even by 1964, the Death Penalty was only used for
the minority of murders, and then normally (more than 50%) commuted?
Yes, and?

The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a custodial
sentence and once sentenced to death, could not be sure of a reprieve.

Poor dears.

The uncertainty must have been stressful.
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[* The number of murders per annum in Great Britain has at least
quadrupled since the mid-sixties. Murders don't even make the front
page any more.]
Funny, the figures don;t support this claim. When the death penalty was
first suspended in 1965 and then abolished in 1969, the roof didn't fall
in.
During 1964 there were 296 murders in England and Wales, including the
murder for which Evans and Allen were hanged. When the gallows were
mothballed in 1965 there were 325 murders. It’s true that annual homicide
rates then rose for the next quarter of a century, reaching a peak of
more than 1,000 in 2002 (when 172 murders were attributed to Harold
Shipman alone), but since then they have fallen back precipitously and
homicides are now at their lowest level in about 30 years.
The overall population has, of course, increased significantly in that
time.
Assuming murder and homicides to be the same thing (and accepting your
figures):

<https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime>

England Wales (not UK): "The number of homicides in England and Wales
rose by 71 to 574 in the 12 months to September 2015 - an increase of
14% fuelled by rises in knife and gun crime, official statistics show."

OK, currently, and on the last figures easily avaibale, the number of
murders annually in E&W has changed from "296" to 574.

The 296 didn't really matter, of course. Their lives were clearly not
worth protecting. We knew that because the Labour government of the day
effectively said so.

And the increase (apparently a further 278 human beings) obviously don't
matter either.
Paul Cummins
2017-08-14 15:40:00 UTC
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The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a
custodial sentence
Yes they could - it was just how long the period of custody was - three
weeks or a lot longer.

It always astonishes me when people pontificate about the Death Penalty
with no idea about what it actually meant in real terms.
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2017-08-14 17:15:42 UTC
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The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a
custodial sentence
Yes they could - it was just how long the period of custody was - three
weeks or a lot longer.
It always astonishes me when people pontificate about the Death Penalty
with no idea about what it actually meant in real terms.
You mean life for a life?

Saving the odd £m which could actually save more life?

Saving the family being told their loved one's killer has been set free
(even under license)?

Being reminded of the murder every time the murderer applies for
release, and fails?

Yes, I think we all see what it really means. Yet that doesn't make me
keen on the death penalty so I have no idea of the point your trying to
make.
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2017-08-14 22:37:19 UTC
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The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a
custodial sentence
Yes they could - it was just how long the period of custody was - three
weeks or a lot longer.
We must be at cross purposes.
Post by Paul Cummins
It always astonishes me when people pontificate about the Death Penalty
with no idea about what it actually meant in real terms.
It always meant that the criminal could not repeat their crime. Mind
you, life imprisonment - if it existed - would also do that.
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2017-08-15 06:15:16 UTC
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The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a
custodial sentence
Yes they could - it was just how long the period of custody was - three
weeks or a lot longer.
It always astonishes me when people pontificate about the Death Penalty
with no idea about what it actually meant in real terms.
What's hard to understand - it means the criminal will be executed for
their crimes.
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2017-08-15 15:05:55 UTC
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The point is that the violent criminal could not be sure of a
custodial sentence
Yes they could - it was just how long the period of custody was - three
weeks or a lot longer.
It always astonishes me when people pontificate about the Death Penalty
with no idea about what it actually meant in real terms.
What's hard to understand - it means the criminal will be executed for
their crimes.
It was never quite that simple following the 1957 Homicide Act, when
many murderers did indeed get custodial sentences. There had always been
some sentenced to death who got their sentences commuted. It was widely
expected that Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis would have their sentences
commuted (but murder with a firearm was particularly frowned upon, as
was murder of a police officer on duty).

Post 1957, custodial (as a sentence, rather than as a death sentence
commuted) is one thing. Short custodial (meaning anything short of the
murderer's natural life) is another.

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