HMRC estimates that number of annual customs declarations will rise from 55 million to 255 million after March 2019

really?

and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

Post by MM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-customs-checks-could-land-uk-with-24-price-rise-q7d8sslnl
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/13/brexit-plans-fall-apart-chocolate-orange-auditor-general

oh reports in Remaoning papers, what a surprise

tim

R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-13 12:17:44 UTC

really?
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

oh reports in Remaoning papers, what a surprise
tim

No need to worry - it will all be a breeze and you won't have to pay anything - just load the goods into your flying pig and it will transport them striaght to your destination.

HMRC anything not burdensome - do me a favour!

Altroy1

2017-07-13 17:51:14 UTC

[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

Post by R. Mark Clayton
No need to worry - it will all be a breeze and you won't have to pay anything
- just load the goods into your flying pig and it will transport them striaght
to your destination.
HMRC anything not burdensome - do me a favour!

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic measures
to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit world will mean
customs checks. Brexiteers that don't live in a fantasy world might accept that
it will no longer be possible for families to hop onto a ferry to an EU country
and come back with a suitcase stuffed with wine bottles without lots of
questions being asked.

tim...

2017-07-13 17:57:05 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no

everyone can use the electronic measures

all companies that import stuff are doing it by the container load, at that
level it is worthwhile employing a third party to organise all of your
shipping formalities including modern methods of custom's pre clearance and
tracking, if you aren't large enough to have your own staff do it.

The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

Post by Altroy1
Brexiteers that don't live in a fantasy world might accept that it will no
longer be possible for families to hop onto a ferry to an EU country and
come back with a suitcase stuffed with wine bottles without lots of
questions being asked.

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.

but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact it
enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-13 19:19:27 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

Yes of course they can - ever filled out a form in a language you not fluent in?

Post by tim...
all companies that import stuff are doing it by the container load, at that
level it is worthwhile employing a third party to organise all of your
shipping formalities including modern methods of custom's pre clearance and
tracking, if you aren't large enough to have your own staff do it.

Yes lots of work and money for jobsworth customs forwarders.

Post by tim...
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

You really don't know do you.

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.

Yes the poor Brit' consumer can go hang...

Post by tim...
but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact it
enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

They will have to pay more in local shops - in relative terms UK wine production is a drop in the bucket and from what I have tasted pretty sharp and nasty to boot. (English wine, not the even worse rubbish brewed from grape concentrate in the UK and called "British wine").

tim...

2017-07-14 09:51:32 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

Yes of course they can - ever filled out a form in a language you not fluent in?

you really think that these forms can't be filled out in some common
language?

They travel the world, being read by low paid staff

how many of them are going to be able to read where the shipment is for, if
it is written in a multitude of foreign squiggle?

You really do deliberately misrepresent the real world you know

Yes lots of work and money for jobsworth customs forwarders.

yes

more jobs created to replace the ones lost

great isn't it

Post by tim...
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

You really don't know do you.

Oh yes I do

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.

Yes the poor Brit' consumer can go hang...

the British electorate voted for this in a democratic vote

the loss of this little item is collateral damage, and that's just tough for
the losers

bringing it up in a discussion on how Brexit will harm UK trade is
disingenuous and just another one of your misrepresentations

I am getting fed up with you and the cheating way that you make you point

In future I am just going to reply with "MISREPRESENTATION" every time.

Post by tim...
but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact it
enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

They will have to pay more in local shops - in relative terms UK wine
production is a drop in the bucket and from what I have tasted pretty
sharp and nasty to boot. (English wine, not the even worse rubbish brewed
from grape concentrate in the UK and called "British wine").

so it's what they voted for - tough titties

tim

R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-14 11:04:16 UTC

SNIP

Post by tim...
everyone can use the electronic measures

Yes of course they can - ever filled out a form in a language you not fluent in?

you really think that these forms can't be filled out in some common
language?
They travel the world, being read by low paid staff
how many of them are going to be able to read where the shipment is for, if
it is written in a multitude of foreign squiggle?

Missing the point as usual - the forms have to be completed in the language of the destination, sometimes accompanied by a cash fee in the local currency. It won't be as silly as that in Europe, but don't expect to be able to submit documentation in France in anything but French.

Post by tim...
You really do deliberately misrepresent the real world you know

Yes lots of work and money for jobsworth customs forwarders.

yes
more jobs created to replace the ones lost
great isn't it

Interesting that you recognise that Brexit WILL lead to job losses. Sad that you do not recognise that "jobsworth customs forwarders", additional customs officers and tax collectors are not contributing to the economy , but detracting from it.

Post by tim...
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

You really don't know do you.

Oh yes I do

Been on Ebay recently? Or www.aliexpress.com? Or even Amazon?

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.

Yes the poor Brit' consumer can go hang...

the British electorate voted for this in a democratic vote

Yes I know. Many of them were tricked into voting Leave by false claims like £350M a week for the NHS. I feel sorry for them. I despise those xenophobic and cynical Brexiteers who really don't care how much Brexit hurts the person in the street as long as we do it.

Post by tim...
the loss of this little item is collateral damage, and that's just tough for
the losers

Very tough for the majority.

Post by tim...
bringing it up in a discussion on how Brexit will harm UK trade is
disingenuous

MISREPRESENTATION

Post by tim...
and just another one of your misrepresentations
I am getting fed up with you and the cheating way that you make you point
In future I am just going to reply with "MISREPRESENTATION" every time.

see above, I have made a start for you.

Post by tim...
but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact it
enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

They will have to pay more in local shops - in relative terms UK wine
production is a drop in the bucket and from what I have tasted pretty
sharp and nasty to boot. (English wine, not the even worse rubbish brewed
from grape concentrate in the UK and called "British wine").

so it's what they voted for - tough titties

No misrepresentation here though - you are just contemptuous of the fate of the British public as a consequence of a ruinous project you support.

Post by tim...
tim

tim...

2017-07-14 11:31:06 UTC

Post by R. Mark Clayton
SNIP

Post by tim...
everyone can use the electronic measures

Yes of course they can - ever filled out a form in a language you not fluent in?

you really think that these forms can't be filled out in some common
language?
They travel the world, being read by low paid staff
how many of them are going to be able to read where the shipment is for, if
it is written in a multitude of foreign squiggle?

Missing the point as usual - the forms have to be completed in the
language of the destination, sometimes accompanied by a cash fee in the
local currency. It won't be as silly as that in Europe, but don't expect
to be able to submit documentation in France in anything but French.

Post by tim...
You really do deliberately misrepresent the real world you know

Post by tim...
all companies that import stuff are doing it by the container load, at that
level it is worthwhile employing a third party to organise all of your
shipping formalities including modern methods of custom's pre
clearance
and
tracking, if you aren't large enough to have your own staff do it.

Yes lots of work and money for jobsworth customs forwarders.

yes
more jobs created to replace the ones lost
great isn't it

Interesting that you recognise that Brexit WILL lead to job losses. Sad
that you do not recognise that "jobsworth customs forwarders", additional
customs officers and tax collectors are not contributing to the economy ,
but detracting from it.

Post by tim...
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

You really don't know do you.

Oh yes I do

Been on Ebay recently? Or www.aliexpress.com? Or even Amazon?

most of these are drop shippers

tim

tim...

2017-07-14 11:36:12 UTC

Post by R. Mark Clayton
SNIP

Post by tim...
everyone can use the electronic measures

Yes of course they can - ever filled out a form in a language you not fluent in?

you really think that these forms can't be filled out in some common
language?
They travel the world, being read by low paid staff
how many of them are going to be able to read where the shipment is for, if
it is written in a multitude of foreign squiggle?

Missing the point as usual - the forms have to be completed in the
language of the destination, sometimes accompanied by a cash fee in the
local currency. It won't be as silly as that in Europe, but don't expect
to be able to submit documentation in France in anything but French.

Post by tim...
You really do deliberately misrepresent the real world you know

Post by tim...
all companies that import stuff are doing it by the container load,
at
that
level it is worthwhile employing a third party to organise all of your
shipping formalities including modern methods of custom's pre
clearance
and
tracking, if you aren't large enough to have your own staff do it.

Yes lots of work and money for jobsworth customs forwarders.

yes
more jobs created to replace the ones lost
great isn't it

Interesting that you recognise that Brexit WILL lead to job losses. Sad
that you do not recognise that "jobsworth customs forwarders", additional
customs officers and tax collectors are not contributing to the economy ,
but detracting from it.

Post by tim...
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

You really don't know do you.

Oh yes I do

Been on Ebay recently? Or www.aliexpress.com? Or even Amazon?

most of these are drop shippers

and in any case these are importers to the UK, not exporters out

they are the wrong side of the argument for you

tim

Altroy1

2017-07-13 22:30:21 UTC

[...]

Post by Altroy1
There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt
electronic measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the
post Brexit world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

If you are a large importer or exporter there are economies of scale that may
aid in the overheads and the electronics incur at least some overheads and costs
even if they reduce queues at border points.

Individuals, who can presently move goods around the Customs Union freely, will
have that freedom curtailed and even if its a QR code on a smartphone there will
be some extra hassle getting that QR code setup.

Ouside the Customs Union and guess what? No more cross channel or cross border
trips without some hassle:

Dismount that bicycle young chappie and show us those wine bottles in your
possession along with your QR code or else we'll confiscate the lot.

Post by tim...
all companies that import stuff are doing it by the container load, at
that level it is worthwhile employing a third party to organise all of
your shipping formalities including modern methods of custom's pre
clearance and tracking, if you aren't large enough to have your own
staff do it.
The idea that there is zillion of companies importing goods in jiffy bag
quanties is a nonsense.

No but there are many cross border crossings some of them on foot or bicycle and
exit the Customs Union and that will no longer continue as is.

Post by Altroy1
Brexiteers that don't live in a fantasy world might accept that it
will no longer be possible for families to hop onto a ferry to an EU
country and come back with a suitcase stuffed with wine bottles
without lots of
questions being asked.

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.
but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact
it enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

The stilts the nonsense is on just got bigger. Why do nations and groups of
nations exist? Economies of scale. Trade cuts both ways. You didn't mention the
UK's benefit from EU vistors spending money in shops and on accomodation and
transport.

If it were not so then it would be just as good to revert to middle ages city
states with their own border checks and customs:

Show us your papers for the contents of your horse drawn cart else we won't let
you pass through the gates into our city.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-great-repeal-bill-scotland-wales-carwyn-jones-nicola-sturgeon-theresa-may-legislative-consent-a7839706.html

tim...

2017-07-14 09:53:25 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[...]

Post by Altroy1
There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

If you are a large importer or exporter there are economies of scale that
may aid in the overheads and the electronics incur at least some overheads
and costs even if they reduce queues at border points.
Individuals, who can presently move goods around the Customs Union freely,
will have that freedom curtailed and even if its a QR code on a smartphone
there will be some extra hassle getting that QR code setup.
Ouside the Customs Union and guess what? No more cross channel or cross
Dismount that bicycle young chappie and show us those wine bottles in your
possession along with your QR code or else we'll confiscate the lot.

I accept that there will be a loss of domestic importation

but that point has no place at all in a discussion on the effect of Brexit
on UK trade

tim

Ian Jackson

2017-07-14 12:16:18 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[...]

Post by Altroy1
There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt
electronic measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others
the post Brexit world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

If you are a large importer or exporter there are economies of scale
that may aid in the overheads and the electronics incur at least some
overheads and costs even if they reduce queues at border points.
Individuals, who can presently move goods around the Customs Union
freely, will have that freedom curtailed and even if its a QR code on
a smartphone there will be some extra hassle getting that QR code setup.
Ouside the Customs Union and guess what? No more cross channel or
Dismount that bicycle young chappie and show us those wine bottles in
your possession along with your QR code or else we'll confiscate the
lot.

I accept that there will be a loss of domestic importation
but that point has no place at all in a discussion on the effect of
Brexit on UK trade

Do you really have so little experience of 'life as we know it'?

Don't the ordinary people in the UK matter?

--
Ian

R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-20 16:03:45 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

There might not be any: -

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html

no they won't, that's just collateral damage.
but that's got bugger all to do with the prospects for UK trade (in fact it
enhances it as these people will buy more from local shops instead).

tim...

2017-07-20 19:34:54 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

There might not be any: -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html

I really don't understand why HMG is saying that this is a problem

they are already operating it for billions of pounds of trade to/from ROW

how hard can turning it on for EU trade be?

tim

2017-07-21 14:13:10 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV
that the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

There is this view that some of the bigger traders can adopt electronic
measures to curtail some of the burdens but for others the post Brexit
world will mean customs checks.

no
everyone can use the electronic measures

There might not be any: -
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html

I really don't understand why HMG is saying that this is a problem

Well, you're a Brexiter, so it shouldn't suprise anybody.

MM

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R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-13 19:13:50 UTC

Post by Altroy1
[....]

Post by tim...
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

[....]

<begin rant>
I am not going to go into details about HMRC being ****ing ****holes, but they deny receipt, impose penalties arbitrarily (for documents they have receipted), demand totally necessary forms, demand hundreds of pounds for payments they [incorrectly] claim were pence over limits etc. etc. As for their shenanigans about carnets and export licenses...
<end rant>

If you think that post Brexit HMRC won't as ever be ridiculously over bureaucratic and lack the slightest vestige of common sense then you really are living in la-la land.

tim...

2017-07-13 17:48:16 UTC

really?
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

oh reports in Remaoning papers, what a surprise
tim

No need to worry - it will all be a breeze and you won't have to pay
anything

oh I didn't say that there might not be some duties to pay,

I just arguing about the formalities of the importation

but in most cases I don't see how the duty is a problem. We import stuff
from ROW already that has to pay duty, and those companies seem to manage ok

R. Mark Clayton

2017-07-13 19:25:45 UTC

really?
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

oh reports in Remaoning papers, what a surprise
tim

No need to worry - it will all be a breeze and you won't have to pay
anything

oh I didn't say that there might not be some duties to pay,

So higher prices in the shops. Less sales of UK goods in the EU...

Post by tim...
I just arguing about the formalities of the importation
but in most cases I don't see how the duty is a problem. We import stuff
from ROW already that has to pay duty, and those companies seem to manage ok

Ditto export, but EU countries are tax free and most of our other major markets speak English (USA, Oz, Canada etc.)

So explain what all this means please

http://www.douane.gouv.fr/articles/a12868-kit-pedagogique-emcs-gamma

Ian Jackson

2017-07-14 11:52:13 UTC

really?
and only a couple of days ago I heard an HMRC official saying on the
TV that
the extra procedures would not be 'burdensome'

Post by MM

Post by MM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-customs-checks-could-land-uk-with-24-price-rise-q7d8sslnl

Post by MM
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/13/brexit-plans-fall-apart-chocolate-orange-auditor-general

oh reports in Remaoning papers, what a surprise
tim

No need to worry - it will all be a breeze and you won't have to pay
anything

oh I didn't say that there might not be some duties to pay,
I just arguing about the formalities of the importation
but in most cases I don't see how the duty is a problem. We import
stuff from ROW already that has to pay duty, and those companies seem
to manage ok

What new formalities will Spalding's small trader, Joe Blogs, have to
complete every time he takes his van-load of genuine hand-crafted
Spalding widgets to Paris, and returns with a van-load of the components
that he uses in their manufacture? How much will it add to the cost of
his widgets, and to the components?

--
Ian

JNugent

2017-07-13 12:56:56 UTC

Post by MM
"Extra customs checks could push up the cost of imported goods even if
Britain signs a free trade deal with the EU, according to a leaked
government document.
"Senior officials at HM Revenue & Customs warned that prices could
rise by as much as 24%, while UK exports risked being subjected to
'burdensome procedures' at EU ports."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-customs-checks-could-land-uk-with-24-price-rise-q7d8sslnl
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/13/brexit-plans-fall-apart-chocolate-orange-auditor-general
MM

If the government does not want an increase in customs declarations (and
is prepared to forego any extra duty - and the killer, VAT - that would
be due), all Parliament has to do is enact legislation providing that
imports from the EU are duty free.

tim...

2017-07-13 17:49:28 UTC

Post by JNugent

If the government does not want an increase in customs declarations (and
is prepared to forego any extra duty - and the killer, VAT - that would be
due), all Parliament has to do is enact legislation providing that imports
from the EU are duty free.

it can't do that

it has to make all imports (or a specific class) duty free, it can't pick
and choose based upon origin

Fredxxx

2017-07-13 22:46:30 UTC

Post by JNugent

If the government does not want an increase in customs declarations
(and is prepared to forego any extra duty - and the killer, VAT - that
would be due), all Parliament has to do is enact legislation providing
that imports from the EU are duty free.

it can't do that
it has to make all imports (or a specific class) duty free, it can't
pick and choose based upon origin

Are you suggesting tariffs like the anti-dumping duties for specific
countries are illegal?

tim...

2017-07-14 09:55:31 UTC

If the government does not want an increase in customs declarations
(and is prepared to forego any extra duty - and the killer, VAT - that
would be due), all Parliament has to do is enact legislation providing
that imports from the EU are duty free.

it can't do that
it has to make all imports (or a specific class) duty free, it can't
pick and choose based upon origin

Are you suggesting tariffs like the anti-dumping duties for specific
countries are illegal?

no

but they have to be specifically anti dumping tariffs

so

1) they must be increased tariffs against the perpetrator, not reduced
tariffs to some set of everyone else

2) the dumping has to be evidenced

tim

JNugent

2017-07-14 01:43:34 UTC

Post by JNugent

If the government does not want an increase in customs declarations
(and is prepared to forego any extra duty - and the killer, VAT - that
would be due), all Parliament has to do is enact legislation providing
that imports from the EU are duty free.

it can't do that
it has to make all imports (or a specific class) duty free, it can't
pick and choose based upon origin

It can certainly provide for a de minimis amount (as it always has, with
the old "two bottles of wine and a half-bottle of whiskey" rule).

Let's say that for tourists returning from holiday in th EU, no need to
declare less than £500 worth. Or even £1,000 worth.

The amount for anyone flying back from the USA is about £125, IIRC.

asfdj

2017-07-14 01:51:08 UTC

Confidence in £70m customs system has 'collapsed', warns Treasury
Committee

Under Brexit, service faces five-fold rise in transactions

Confidence in HMRC's £70m Customs Declaration Service, a computer system
that HMRC itself describes as "business critical", has collapsed, the
Treasury Select Committee warned today.

The system is intended to replace the 25-year-old current system – known
as Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight (Chief).

But in the space of less than three months the project has rapidly
deteriorated, said committee chairman Andrew Tyrie.

On 25 November, 2016, the project was rated "Green", meaning it was
"successful" and "on time". But by 31 January, it was rated "Amber/red",
meaning it faces "major risks" and "urgent action".

Tyrie said: "Customs is at the heart of the Brexit debate. It is part of
the essential plumbing for international trade, and ensuring it continues
to function smoothly post-Brexit has to be a priority for the government.

"The CDS is needed in order to handle a possible five-fold increase in
declarations that could occur when the UK leaves the EU. The consequences
of this project failing, or even being delayed, could be serious. Much
trade could be lost. The project, therefore, merits a high degree of
scrutiny by Parliament."

In a letter (PDF) to Tony Meggs, chief exec of the Infrastructure
Projects Authority, Tyrie asked the body to conduct a delivery confidence
assessment of the CDS project and make their findings available to the
Treasury Committee as soon as possible.

"The assessment should provide a full description of the principal risks
to the project, an assessment of the adequacy of the contingency plans in
the event of delay or failure, and an explanation for the rapid
deterioration in the project's status over the space of two months," he
said. ®

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/31/
confidence_in_70m_customs_declaration_service_has_collapsed_says_treasury_committee/

asfdj

2017-07-14 01:55:00 UTC

or course, MM only knows about this because he read about it all on my
thread, earlier

asfdj

2017-07-14 02:09:03 UTC

as with anything to do with I.T. in this idiot service sector economy

it's ignored

as was the biggest project failure in world history, accomplished without
interest in the reasons, or examination (the NPfIT).

they have no idea of it, they're illiterate in it & they don't want to
know

they just keep throwing more money at it, as they will do in this case

& the crooks are glad to take it

anyone who has an opinion -- well if you're not accredited or you're not
one of the f*cking crooks making money -- your opinion means nothing

so here we are, -- it is getting serious -- they actually need, very
badly, for a project to be 100% correct, within a time scale (on this
one, they have so far wasted several years)

still they have no interest, still they will throw money at it

illiterate thug government of idiots -- most of them are in on it (people
such as jeremy hunt with their shell companies)

only criminals succeed here, in that sector

may as well talk to the f*cking wall

wasted my entire existance trying to progress, to fix things & nobody
wants to know -- you want to know why that is?

because you are illiterate criminal fucking trash --

i will be very very glad to see this all fail, around this one singular
project

it will fail

read the article
read the record of past failures -- read articles from the same
respectable publication (no political interest, really .. 'industry')
about the fact that 40% of major public I.T. projects are failing badly

you won't address your issues because you are ignorant illiterate thugs

asfdj

2017-07-14 02:19:46 UTC

Post by MM
"Extra customs checks could push up the cost of imported goods even if
Britain signs a free trade deal with the EU, according to a leaked
government document.
"Senior officials at HM Revenue & Customs warned that prices could rise
by as much as 24%, while UK exports risked being subjected to
'burdensome procedures' at EU ports."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-customs-checks-could-land-uk-

with-24-price-rise-q7d8sslnl

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/13/brexit-plans-fall-

apart-chocolate-orange-auditor-general

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brexit is failing even without this core incompetence

the people involved in it aren't interested in it

asfdj

2017-07-14 02:29:28 UTC

all i.t. is for in the uk

it's social

if you're competent in i.t.

all you are doing -- don't waste your time
the whole system won't ever be fixed

they're not interested

it's for social elevation

you are working, your work is being stolen

to elevate f*cking idiots

like idiot f*cking lab managers or transient f*cking low IQ
hospital i.t. managers

you're trash all of you fucking wastage

hunt with his shell company

other tories around this -- but NO KNOWLEDGE, no interest

theres money -- flies around shit

asfdj

2017-07-14 02:38:23 UTC

its f*cking nuts

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but the meat machines can't follow it

here, in the UK software is a wasteland

they're not interested in the boring accounting systems, nobody is

out

asfdj

2017-07-14 02:58:28 UTC