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'Death by dangerous cycling' law considered
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2018-08-12 07:38:55 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.

Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
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2018-08-12 09:31:24 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
How many have done that in the last 20 years Norman. It's not a 'much'
needed law. Review all the dangerous driving laws fine but just this
one. This government has no balls. Still it'll give the car driving
proles something to distract them from real issues. <cue rants against
cyclists by fat arsed bellicose old farts><come on lets hear all the old
tired arguments>

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Norman Wells
2018-08-12 11:58:54 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
How many have done that in the last 20 years Norman.
Then it will not affect many cyclists. Why are you so against it?
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2018-08-12 12:58:35 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
How many have done that in the last 20 years Norman.
Then it will not affect many cyclists. Why are you so against it?
Because it's plain divisive and plays to the motorists prejudges about
cyclists. Cyclists are by far the weaker party. Have a complete review.
Fine.

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tim...
2018-08-14 06:23:35 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
How many have done that in the last 20 years Norman.
Then it will not affect many cyclists. Why are you so against it?
because it will not change the action of the cyclists that it "affects".

Cyclists that cycle like idiots do so because there is no efficient
enforcement of the rules that we do have. Creating a larger penalty for
breaking those rules wont change their behaviour, and thinking that they
will is dog-whistle politics.

I'm sure that you knew that already, I'm surprised that you needed to ask

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harry
2018-08-14 06:28:58 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
How many have done that in the last 20 years Norman.
Then it will not affect many cyclists. Why are you so against it?
because it will not change the action of the cyclists that it "affects".
Cyclists that cycle like idiots do so because there is no efficient
enforcement of the rules that we do have. Creating a larger penalty for
breaking those rules wont change their behaviour, and thinking that they
will is dog-whistle politics.
I'm sure that you knew that already, I'm surprised that you needed to ask
They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
TMS320
2018-08-14 08:50:09 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just replied
to another poster about this. What needs to be fixed... behaviour you
don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Norman Wells
2018-08-14 09:22:29 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just replied
to another poster about this.  What needs to be fixed... behaviour you
don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Whay are they alternatives?
TMS320
2018-08-14 16:00:43 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just
replied to another poster about this.  What needs to be fixed...
behaviour you don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Whay are they alternatives?
Behaviour that is undesirable doesn't necessarily produce casualties.
Any behaviour that produces casualties is undesirable by definition.
They're alternatives insofar that if answers appear we have two buckets
to drop them into, only one of which matters.
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2018-08-14 16:28:43 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just
replied to another poster about this.  What needs to be fixed...
behaviour you don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Why are they alternatives?
Behaviour that is undesirable doesn't necessarily produce casualties.
Any behaviour that produces casualties is undesirable by definition.
They're alternatives insofar that if answers appear we have two buckets
to drop them into, only one of which matters.
No, both matter. We don't have to choose between them. They're both
problems. Both can have solutions.
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2018-08-14 10:04:34 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just replied
to another poster about this. What needs to be fixed... behaviour you
don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Lawless road use in an otherwise licenced and regulated environment
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2018-08-14 16:04:40 UTC
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They need to all have number plates too.
Plus insurance. Maybe even road tax.
People love solutions but don't define the problem. I have just replied
to another poster about this. What needs to be fixed... behaviour you
don't like or a real problem of actual casualties?
Lawless road use in an otherwise licenced and regulated environment
You ignore the reason why it needs to be a licenced and regulated
environment. The law must have a purpose other than to make laws.
Lauren Cutshaw
2018-08-12 11:02:25 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
Here in the US, most bicyclists are out exercising in an effort to
increase their longevity.  Unfortunately for them, they ride in traffic
and are often injured/killed by drunk and/or texting drivers.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2018-08-12 11:17:04 UTC
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
Here in the US, most bicyclists are out exercising in an effort to
increase their longevity.  Unfortunately for them, they ride in traffic
and are often injured/killed by drunk and/or texting drivers.
In the UK, around 1,700 people die on the roads every year, and of that
number, cyclists usually kill between 1 and 3 in any year - or around 0.05%
to 0.17%. And yet the comments in _The Daily Mail_ and so on are that
cyclists are 'a menace'.

Cyclists in fact are the new Jews of the Road. If you want a clear
indication of how venomous the right is when it comes to cyclists, consider
the case that appeared in the press about a year ago. A cyclist was
standing astride his bike at a junction, waiting to turn right, when a car
driver came from his left, cut the corner and knocked the cyclist off.
When the incident made the press, the comments were that as the cyclist had
'obviously seen the car approaching' (since his camera had been mounted on
his bicycle helmet and he had been looking in that direction), he 'should
have jumped out of the way'. Since he didn't, the incident was 'obviously
his fault'.

There is a deep, poisonous sickness in the British driver, who is the most
self-entitled, gobby cunt on the planet. _The Guardian_ asked recently
what it would take for car drivers to respect cyclists' right to use the
road. The answer is clear: they'll respect it when their sense of
entitlement is beaten out of them.

The arrogant, angry filth's response is exemplified in the way 'True Blue',
our angry, toy neo-nazi responded today. The only thing unusual is that he
didn't blame 'pakis' for road carnage. He blames them for everything else.

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2018-08-12 11:54:04 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
Here in the US, most bicyclists are out exercising in an effort to
increase their longevity.  Unfortunately for them, they ride in traffic
and are often injured/killed by drunk and/or texting drivers.
In the UK, around 1,700 people die on the roads every year, and of that
number, cyclists usually kill between 1 and 3 in any year - or around 0.05%
to 0.17%. And yet the comments in _The Daily Mail_ and so on are that
cyclists are 'a menace'.
and nearly twice that many road kills in france despite the country
being twice the area with the same population

obviously what you say about cyclists relative to flying hunks
of metal is factual...it is good when a poster turns over a new
leaf
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Cyclists in fact are the new Jews of the Road.
they'll take over the world next
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
If you want a clear
indication of how venomous the right is when it comes to cyclists, consider
the case that appeared in the press about a year ago. A cyclist was
standing astride his bike at a junction, waiting to turn right, when a car
driver came from his left, cut the corner and knocked the cyclist off.
When the incident made the press, the comments were that as the cyclist had
'obviously seen the car approaching' (since his camera had been mounted on
his bicycle helmet and he had been looking in that direction), he 'should
have jumped out of the way'. Since he didn't, the incident was 'obviously
his fault'.
There is a deep, poisonous sickness in the British driver, who is the most
self-entitled, gobby cunt on the planet. _The Guardian_ asked recently
what it would take for car drivers to respect cyclists' right to use the
road. The answer is clear: they'll respect it when their sense of
entitlement is beaten out of them.
The arrogant, angry filth's response is exemplified in the way 'True Blue',
our angry, toy neo-nazi responded today. The only thing unusual is that he
didn't blame 'pakis' for road carnage. He blames them for everything else.
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2018-08-12 13:40:58 UTC
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Post by Lauren Cutshaw
Post by Norman Wells
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
Here in the US, most bicyclists are out exercising in an effort to
increase their longevity.  Unfortunately for them, they ride in traffic
and are often injured/killed by drunk and/or texting drivers.
In the UK, around 1,700 people die on the roads every year, and of that
number, cyclists usually kill between 1 and 3 in any year - or around
0.05% to 0.17%. And yet the comments in _The Daily Mail_ and so on are
that cyclists are 'a menace'.
and nearly twice that many road kills in france despite the country being
twice the area with the same population
obviously what you say about cyclists relative to flying hunks of metal
is factual...it is good when a poster turns over a new leaf
Every single post I have made to Usenet since the early 1990s has been
'factual'.

Y.
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better taste in them'
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abelard
2018-08-12 13:43:45 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:17:04 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Lauren Cutshaw
Post by Norman Wells
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
Here in the US, most bicyclists are out exercising in an effort to
increase their longevity.  Unfortunately for them, they ride in traffic
and are often injured/killed by drunk and/or texting drivers.
In the UK, around 1,700 people die on the roads every year, and of that
number, cyclists usually kill between 1 and 3 in any year - or around
0.05% to 0.17%. And yet the comments in _The Daily Mail_ and so on are
that cyclists are 'a menace'.
and nearly twice that many road kills in france despite the country being
twice the area with the same population
obviously what you say about cyclists relative to flying hunks of metal
is factual...it is good when a poster turns over a new leaf
Every single post I have made to Usenet since the early 1990s has been
'factual'.
there goes another flying pig
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The arrogant, angry filth's response is exemplified in the way 'True Blue',
our angry, toy neo-nazi responded today. The only thing unusual is that he
didn't blame 'pakis' for road carnage. He blames them for everything else.
I guess you are suffering from something particularly nasty, that's turned you into a military grade retard.

The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of training.

Motorcycle deaths reduced as the training and testing requirements went up. Also as PPE became mandatory. The lessons are clear, mandatory training, licencing and PPE for those wishing to cycle on the public highway.
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The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of
training.
Define the problem before anything can be targeted through training.
What is the problem?

When people can ride a moped having obtained a car licence, are you
trying to suggest a bicycle is so different something extra is required?
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Motorcycle deaths reduced as the training and testing requirements
went up.
How much is due to novices no longer able to jump onto a high powered
bike? Mileage covered has also gone down.
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Also as PPE became mandatory. The lessons are clear,
mandatory training, licencing and PPE for those wishing to cycle on
the public highway.
Proof is first required that the equipment purporting to be PPE for
cyclists achieves what it claims to do.
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The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of training.
Define the problem before anything can be targeted through training.
What is the problem?
They die, in numbers. They are injured, in numbers.
So there can be no doubt that many cyclists are not sufficiently trained to identify and avoid hazards.
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When people can ride a moped having obtained a car licence, are you
trying to suggest a bicycle is so different something extra is required?
Have you heard of Compulsory Basic Training? it is exactly what is required
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Motorcycle deaths reduced as the training and testing requirements
went up.
How much is due to novices no longer able to jump onto a high powered
bike? Mileage covered has also gone down.
No and No
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Also as PPE became mandatory. The lessons are clear,
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mandatory training, licencing and PPE for those wishing to cycle on
the public highway.
Proof is first required that the equipment purporting to be PPE for
cyclists achieves what it claims to do.
There is a CE process for PPE
It would be entirely consistent to require a helmet, constructed to much higher standards than is currently the case.

Gloves. Knee and Elbow protection. Something long overdue for motorcyclists and moped riders. France has started taking steps.
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2018-08-14 09:42:51 UTC
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The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of training.
Define the problem before anything can be targeted through training.
What is the problem?
They die, in numbers. They are injured, in numbers.
So there can be no doubt that many cyclists are not sufficiently trained to identify and avoid hazards.
There can be a lot of doubt.

Mandatory training is likely to decreases bike use. This is likely to
increase car use, increase pollution, decrease exercise. All of which
will adversely affect health and mortality figures.

Finally, studies strongly suggested that reduced bike uses increases the
risk to the remaining cyclists, referred to as safety in numbers.

If you don't understand the basic rudiments of the arguments related to
this issue it would be better to remain silent.
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The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of training.
Define the problem before anything can be targeted through training.
What is the problem?
They die, in numbers. They are injured, in numbers.
So there can be no doubt that many cyclists are not sufficiently trained to identify and avoid hazards.
There can be a lot of doubt.
Mandatory training is likely to decreases bike use. This is likely to
increase car use, increase pollution, decrease exercise. All of which
will adversely affect health and mortality figures.
A frankly ridiculous argument around road safety! there is no rational argument against training and competence.
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Finally, studies strongly suggested that reduced bike uses increases the
risk to the remaining cyclists, referred to as safety in numbers.
There are quite comprehensive strategies in place to increase cycling, it is no reason not to enforce a requirement for training and PPE.
Post by Chris Smith
If you don't understand the basic rudiments of the arguments related to
this issue it would be better to remain silent.
I know it's usenet but try not to descend into being a military grade retard quite so quickly.

Being better behaved, more courteous and more road wise can only be good for cyclists and cycling.
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The problem with cyclists on the road is....the total lack of training.
Define the problem before anything can be targeted through
training. What is the problem?
They die, in numbers. They are injured, in numbers. So there can be
no doubt that many cyclists are not sufficiently trained to identify
and avoid hazards.
Perhaps. Though in many cases, ideal behaviour is nugatory when road
layout and facilities encourages a different behaviour. For instance,
how do you tell people that riding up the left when intending to make a
right turn is wrong when where ASLs are painted this behaviour is
encouraged?

Essentially you would be expecting cyclists to operate to a much higher
standard than is required to drive a car, when this is far more
productive of overall harm (when including third parties).

It is estimated that riding a bike has slightly lower fatalities per
mile than walking (charts 2, 4 and 5).
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/668504/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-2016-complete-report.pdf
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When people can ride a moped having obtained a car licence, are you
trying to suggest a bicycle is so different something extra is required?
Have you heard of Compulsory Basic Training? it is exactly what is required
Not needed if a car licence was obtained before 2001. The steepest fall
in casualties happened after 1981.
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Motorcycle deaths reduced as the training and testing
requirements went up.
How much is due to novices no longer able to jump onto a high
powered bike? Mileage covered has also gone down.
No and No
You probably need to look at
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/447673/motorcyclist-casualties-2013-data.pdf
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Also as PPE became mandatory. The lessons are clear,
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mandatory training, licencing and PPE for those wishing to cycle
on the public highway.
Proof is first required that the equipment purporting to be PPE for
cyclists achieves what it claims to do.
There is a CE process for PPE It would be entirely consistent to
require a helmet, constructed to much higher standards than is
currently the case.
It is merely a standard so that the customer is free to choose the
stying and fit and doesn't have to make a technical decision. It has
nothing to do with proof of real world effectiveness.
Gloves. Knee and Elbow protection. Something long overdue for
motorcyclists and moped riders. France has started taking steps.
Well, gravel rash at 60mph is likely to be considerably worse than at 15mph.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
presumably they do

just not via a targeted law

And how often does this event happen?

Almost never would appear to be the answer.

tim
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
presumably they do
just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen?
Almost never would appear to be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it? So, why are you so against it?

What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.

An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.

And be hugely beneficial.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
presumably they do
just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen?
Almost never would appear to be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it?
it wont make any change their behaviour, no

It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process may be
simpler. But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills someone
whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they otherwise
wouldn't have been.
Post by Norman Wells
So, why are you so against it?
I'm not against it in principle, But producing new legislation is not a
cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
limited legislation resources
Post by Norman Wells
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of individual
laws that together achieve the same end result)

we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
Post by Norman Wells
Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?

tim
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It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process may
be simpler.  But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills
someone whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they
otherwise wouldn't have been.
Post by Norman Wells
So, why are you so against it?
I'm not against it in principle,  But producing new legislation is not a
cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
limited legislation resources
Your concern for the workload of the legislature is touching, but smacks
more of self-interest.
Post by tim...
Post by Norman Wells
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of individual
laws that together achieve the same end result)
we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
If we don't have the laws we don't have miscreants. The laws have to
come first. Then, when they're in place, we use the resources we do
have to catch them.

I guess the truth is, we don't have an effective mechanism for catching
miscreants under any of our laws. But that's no reason not to have the
laws or the police not to have the tools at their disposal.
Post by tim...
Post by Norman Wells
Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be
charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly
to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?
Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's not your problem.
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Post by tim...
It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process may
be simpler. But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills
someone whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they
otherwise wouldn't have been.
Post by Norman Wells
So, why are you so against it?
I'm not against it in principle, But producing new legislation is not a
cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
limited legislation resources
Your concern for the workload of the legislature is touching, but smacks
more of self-interest.
Nope

I have no dog in this fight
Post by Norman Wells
Post by tim...
Post by Norman Wells
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of individual
laws that together achieve the same end result)
we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
If we don't have the laws we don't have miscreants.
but we do have laws

all of this cycling on the pavement, ignoring red lights and not stopping
for people walking across ped crossings, that all of the complainees
interviewed on the TV were banging on about as their proof that ALL cyclists
are irresponsible cyclists, are already illegal.

but no-one catches them doing it so no-one is prosecuted for it. What would
be the point of making the penalty for these offences greater if the same
number of zero people are caught and prosecuted?
Post by Norman Wells
The laws have to come first. Then, when they're in place, we use the
resources we do have to catch them.
we already have the laws, but no more that random luck resources are used in
enforcing them
Post by Norman Wells
I guess the truth is, we don't have an effective mechanism for catching
miscreants under any of our laws. But that's no reason not to have the
laws or the police not to have the tools at their disposal.
Post by tim...
Post by Norman Wells
Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be
charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly
to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?
Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's not your problem.
that doesn't mean it isn't of concern to me

tim
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"tim..." <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:pkuhn1$vu1$***@dont-email.me...
:
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: > On 14/08/2018 09:19, tim... wrote:
: >> "Norman Wells" <***@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message
: >> news:***@mid.individual.net...
: >>> On 14/08/2018 07:19, tim... wrote:
: >
: >> It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process
may
: >> be simpler. But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills
: >> someone whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they
: >> otherwise wouldn't have been.
: >>
: >>> So, why are you so against it?
: >>
: >> I'm not against it in principle, But producing new legislation is not
a
: >> cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
: >> limited legislation resources
: >
: > Your concern for the workload of the legislature is touching, but smacks
: > more of self-interest.
:
: Nope
:
: I have no dog in this fight
:
: >>> What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal
: >>> with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
: >>
: >> but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of
individual
: >> laws that together achieve the same end result)
: >>
: >> we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
: >
: > If we don't have the laws we don't have miscreants.
:
: but we do have laws
:
: all of this cycling on the pavement, ignoring red lights and not stopping
: for people walking across ped crossings, that all of the complainees
: interviewed on the TV were banging on about as their proof that ALL
cyclists
: are irresponsible cyclists, are already illegal.
:
: but no-one catches them doing it so no-one is prosecuted for it. What
would
: be the point of making the penalty for these offences greater if the same
: number of zero people are caught and prosecuted?
:
: > The laws have to come first. Then, when they're in place, we use the
: > resources we do have to catch them.
:
: we already have the laws, but no more that random luck resources are used
in
: enforcing them
:
: > I guess the truth is, we don't have an effective mechanism for catching
: > miscreants under any of our laws. But that's no reason not to have the
: > laws or the police not to have the tools at their disposal.
: >
: >>> Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be
: >>> charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly
: >>> to horse-drawn carriages.
: >>>
: >>> An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd
: >>> agree.
: >>>
: >>> And be hugely beneficial.
: >>
: >> where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?
: >
: > Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's not your
: > problem.
:
: that doesn't mean it isn't of concern to me
:
: tim
:
:
:
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feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Post by BurfordTJustice
: >
: >> It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process
may
: >> be simpler. But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills
: >> someone whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they
: >> otherwise wouldn't have been.
: >>
: >>> So, why are you so against it?
: >>
: >> I'm not against it in principle, But producing new legislation is not
a
: >> cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
: >> limited legislation resources
: >
: > Your concern for the workload of the legislature is touching, but smacks
: > more of self-interest.
: Nope
: I have no dog in this fight
: >>> What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal
: >>> with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
: >>
: >> but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of
individual
: >> laws that together achieve the same end result)
: >>
: >> we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
: >
: > If we don't have the laws we don't have miscreants.
: but we do have laws
: all of this cycling on the pavement, ignoring red lights and not stopping
: for people walking across ped crossings, that all of the complainees
: interviewed on the TV were banging on about as their proof that ALL
cyclists
: are irresponsible cyclists, are already illegal.
: but no-one catches them doing it so no-one is prosecuted for it. What
would
: be the point of making the penalty for these offences greater if the same
: number of zero people are caught and prosecuted?
: > The laws have to come first. Then, when they're in place, we use the
: > resources we do have to catch them.
: we already have the laws, but no more that random luck resources are used
in
: enforcing them
: > I guess the truth is, we don't have an effective mechanism for catching
: > miscreants under any of our laws. But that's no reason not to have the
: > laws or the police not to have the tools at their disposal.
: >
: >>> Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be
: >>> charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly
: >>> to horse-drawn carriages.
: >>>
: >>> An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd
: >>> agree.
: >>>
: >>> And be hugely beneficial.
: >>
: >> where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?
: >
: > Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's not your
: > problem.
: that doesn't mean it isn't of concern to me
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Post by BurfordTJustice
feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
Post by abelard
Post by BurfordTJustice
: >
: >> It might directly affect one or two, in that the prosecution process
may
: >> be simpler. But I don't believe that it will lead to anyone who kills
: >> someone whilst cycling like an utter twat being prosecuted when they
: >> otherwise wouldn't have been.
: >>
: >>> So, why are you so against it?
: >>
: >> I'm not against it in principle, But producing new legislation is not
a
: >> cost free exercise and this initiative would seem to be a poor use of
: >> limited legislation resources
: >
: > Your concern for the workload of the legislature is touching, but smacks
: > more of self-interest.
: Nope
: I have no dog in this fight
: >>> What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal
: >>> with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
: >>
: >> but I am sure that there is such a law (or rather a number of
individual
: >> laws that together achieve the same end result)
: >>
: >> we just have no efficient mechanism for catching the miscreants
: >
: > If we don't have the laws we don't have miscreants.
: but we do have laws
: all of this cycling on the pavement, ignoring red lights and not stopping
: for people walking across ped crossings, that all of the complainees
: interviewed on the TV were banging on about as their proof that ALL
cyclists
: are irresponsible cyclists, are already illegal.
: but no-one catches them doing it so no-one is prosecuted for it. What
would
: be the point of making the penalty for these offences greater if the same
: number of zero people are caught and prosecuted?
: > The laws have to come first. Then, when they're in place, we use the
: > resources we do have to catch them.
: we already have the laws, but no more that random luck resources are used
in
: enforcing them
: > I guess the truth is, we don't have an effective mechanism for catching
: > miscreants under any of our laws. But that's no reason not to have the
: > laws or the police not to have the tools at their disposal.
: >
: >>> Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be
: >>> charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly
: >>> to horse-drawn carriages.
: >>>
: >>> An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd
: >>> agree.
: >>>
: >>> And be hugely beneficial.
: >>
: >> where are the resources to enforce this new law going to come from?
: >
: > Don't you worry your pretty little head about that. It's not your
: > problem.
: that doesn't mean it isn't of concern to me
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feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both.
How can I deny it? If you say it's true, it must be.
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:29:39 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:29:39 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
I think they just want to be seen doing something with the added benefit
that the electorate will be distracted by a bit of infighting over close
to nothing of real concern.

I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.

Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.

Does the government stop their import does it arse.

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Post by abelard
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Post by abelard
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:29:39 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
I think they just want to be seen doing something with the added benefit
that the electorate will be distracted by a bit of infighting over close
to nothing of real concern.
I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.
Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
they can distract and thus disturb concentration...that may
actually cause accidents
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Post by abelard
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:29:39 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
I think they just want to be seen doing something with the added benefit
that the electorate will be distracted by a bit of infighting over close
to nothing of real concern.
I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.
Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
they can distract and thus disturb concentration...that may
actually cause accidents
I find them distracting. The actual legal frequency range is between
once and 4 times a second. Interestingly the interval between flashes
has to be constant but the period the light is lit has no set time

"(3) After paragraph 12(a) there shall be inserted—

“(b)In the case of a rear position lamp capable of emitting a flashing
light which is fitted to—

(i)a pedal cycle; or

(ii)a trailer drawn by, or a sidecar attached to, a pedal cycle

the light shown by the lamp when flashing shall be displayed not less
than 60 nor more than 240 equal times per minute and the intervals
between each display of light shall be constant.”"

That's nonsensical to me. Obviously from the manufacturers POV the
shorter the pulse the longer the claim they can make on battery life.

More confusingly that's the law, the regs don't reconise flashing and
approval is based purely upon brightness. [BS6102/3]

I know. I'm looking for sense where none exists again.

Anyway, I don't know if the irritation does cause accidents or alerts
you.

Here's a 'laymans' eye view. Blimey.

https://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/regulations/lighting-regulations
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feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
I think they just want to be seen doing something with the added benefit
that the electorate will be distracted by a bit of infighting over close
to nothing of real concern.
I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.
Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
they can distract and thus disturb concentration...that may
actually cause accidents
I find them distracting. The actual legal frequency range is between
once and 4 times a second. Interestingly the interval between flashes
has to be constant but the period the light is lit has no set time
"(3) After paragraph 12(a) there shall be inserted—
“(b)In the case of a rear position lamp capable of emitting a flashing
light which is fitted to—
(i)a pedal cycle; or
(ii)a trailer drawn by, or a sidecar attached to, a pedal cycle
the light shown by the lamp when flashing shall be displayed not less
than 60 nor more than 240 equal times per minute and the intervals
between each display of light shall be constant.”"
That's nonsensical to me. Obviously from the manufacturers POV the
shorter the pulse the longer the claim they can make on battery life.
More confusingly that's the law, the regs don't reconise flashing and
approval is based purely upon brightness. [BS6102/3]
I know. I'm looking for sense where none exists again.
there are specifically potentially dangerous rates

"3-30 hertz (flashes per second) are the common rates to trigger
seizures but this varies from person to person. While some people are
sensitive at frequencies up to 60 hertz, sensitivity under 3 hertz is
not common."
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Anyway, I don't know if the irritation does cause accidents or alerts
you.
Here's a 'laymans' eye view. Blimey.
https://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/regulations/lighting-regulations
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feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
I think they just want to be seen doing something with the added benefit
that the electorate will be distracted by a bit of infighting over close
to nothing of real concern.
I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.
Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
they can distract and thus disturb concentration...that may
actually cause accidents
I find them distracting. The actual legal frequency range is between
once and 4 times a second. Interestingly the interval between flashes
has to be constant but the period the light is lit has no set time
"(3) After paragraph 12(a) there shall be inserted—
“(b)In the case of a rear position lamp capable of emitting a flashing
light which is fitted to—
(i)a pedal cycle; or
(ii)a trailer drawn by, or a sidecar attached to, a pedal cycle
the light shown by the lamp when flashing shall be displayed not less
than 60 nor more than 240 equal times per minute and the intervals
between each display of light shall be constant.”"
That's nonsensical to me. Obviously from the manufacturers POV the
shorter the pulse the longer the claim they can make on battery life.
More confusingly that's the law, the regs don't reconise flashing and
approval is based purely upon brightness. [BS6102/3]
I know. I'm looking for sense where none exists again.
there are specifically potentially dangerous rates
"3-30 hertz (flashes per second) are the common rates to trigger
seizures but this varies from person to person. While some people are
sensitive at frequencies up to 60 hertz, sensitivity under 3 hertz is
not common."
Yes, so 3-4 flashes per second looks very wrong. I have done a bit more
research and the consensus seems to be that flashing lights attract
motorists attention better but a steady light allows them to judge
distance better. Another poster mentioned duty cycle [length of time the
pulse is on] which seems missing from the legislation and his comment
was that NASA prefer a longer duty cycle on flashing lights as it's a
better compromise between attracting attention and judging distance. Of
course on a bicycle light that will be at the expense of battery light.

Quite honestly though, my gut feeling is sod the battery life, 2
flashes/sec or less and a long duty cycle would be better for everyone.
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Anyway, I don't know if the irritation does cause accidents or alerts
you.
Here's a 'laymans' eye view. Blimey.
https://www.cyclinguk.org/cyclists-library/regulations/lighting-regulations
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Yes, so 3-4 flashes per second looks very wrong. I have done a bit more
research and the consensus seems to be that flashing lights attract
motorists attention better but a steady light allows them to judge
distance better. Another poster mentioned duty cycle [length of time the
pulse is on] which seems missing from the legislation and his comment was
that NASA prefer a longer duty cycle on flashing lights as it's a better
compromise between attracting attention and judging distance. Of course
on a bicycle light that will be at the expense of battery light.
Sir needs one of these.

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I don't care if they tinker. There's probably a lot of stuff wrt road
use that can be updated. They could introduce stuff that makes cycling
safer. That really would cause a stir.
If you do something that carries significant risk of harm, the only
sensible thing is to stop doing it, not just keep gambling until your
luck runs out.
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Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
As I was going home one night I saw a flickering red light and tried to
figure out what it was. Finally I realized it was a bicyclist and I was
focusing on the target.
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Look at the regs though over those dreadful flashing rear lights on
bikes. Most are still illegal and nobody cares. The law was updated way
back.
As I was going home one night I saw a flickering red light and tried to
figure out what it was. Finally I realized it was a bicyclist and I was
focusing on the target.
Yeah, in the rain on a busy London street it's really confusing and the
flashing doesn't help one bit.

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feel good law
yes, that and virtue signalling
Doesn't make me feel good. Norman wants to give a load of kids a
criminal record they can carry though their working lives for cycling on
the pavement and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area. Mandatory
death sentence if they do both. Isn't this socialism? I think it must
be.
i should have added, yet another excuse to interfere in the
daily activities of the populace
but my argument is that it doesn't do that

It as useful in that respect as reinstating the dealt penalty for murder
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
presumably they do
just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen?
Almost never would appear to be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it? So, why are you so against it?
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance. Focussing on their misdeeds need not mean ignoring how some drivers
also behave on the road.
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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.

In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
issued the following guidance to Chief Constables in 1999:

'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'

This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.

Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.

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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In fact, the law is seldom applied to cyclists riding on the pavement. The
Police simply turn a blind eye to it and it is deliberate policy in one borough
of London:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/757684/cyclists-police-pavement-investigation-penalty-fine

In one county, just a handful of fines were handed out and the statistics show
that there has been an emormous reduction in the number of cyclists being
penalised.
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
I don't know about that; it just seems to me that allowing them to become a
nuisance to pedestrians doesn't solve the issue.
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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used
to 'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In fact, the law is seldom applied to cyclists riding on the pavement.
The Police simply turn a blind eye to it and it is deliberate policy in
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/757684/cyclists-police-pavement-investigation-penalty-fine
In one county, just a handful of fines were handed out and the statistics
show that there has been an emormous reduction in the number of cyclists
being penalised.
As West Midlands Police pointed out to the usual 'Angry Man' driver who was
screaming that if cyclists can cycle on the footway, he should be able to
drive at 120 mph along Manchester High Street (or wherever): targeting
cyclists is a waste of resources, because they are simply not a danger.
Post by Incubus
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of
fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users
when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for
enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children
and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and
careful use of police discretion is required...'
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
I don't know about that; it just seems to me that allowing them to become
a nuisance to pedestrians doesn't solve the issue.
And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.

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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used
to 'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In fact, the law is seldom applied to cyclists riding on the pavement.
The Police simply turn a blind eye to it and it is deliberate policy in
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/757684/cyclists-police-pavement-investigation-penalty-fine
In one county, just a handful of fines were handed out and the statistics
show that there has been an emormous reduction in the number of cyclists
being penalised.
As West Midlands Police pointed out to the usual 'Angry Man' driver who was
screaming that if cyclists can cycle on the footway, he should be able to
drive at 120 mph along Manchester High Street (or wherever): targeting
cyclists is a waste of resources, because they are simply not a danger.
Post by Incubus
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of
fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users
when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for
enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children
and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and
careful use of police discretion is required...'
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
I don't know about that; it just seems to me that allowing them to become
a nuisance to pedestrians doesn't solve the issue.
And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.
I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to abuse me
for being in their way. To put it in terms you might use, some of them are
vermin who deserve to be hunted down and severly beaten unto the point of
death.
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Post by Incubus
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Incubus
It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used
to 'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In fact, the law is seldom applied to cyclists riding on the pavement.
The Police simply turn a blind eye to it and it is deliberate policy in
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/757684/cyclists-police-pavement-investigation-penalty-fine
In one county, just a handful of fines were handed out and the statistics
show that there has been an emormous reduction in the number of cyclists
being penalised.
As West Midlands Police pointed out to the usual 'Angry Man' driver who was
screaming that if cyclists can cycle on the footway, he should be able to
drive at 120 mph along Manchester High Street (or wherever): targeting
cyclists is a waste of resources, because they are simply not a danger.
Post by Incubus
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of
fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users
when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for
enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children
and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and
careful use of police discretion is required...'
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
I don't know about that; it just seems to me that allowing them to become
a nuisance to pedestrians doesn't solve the issue.
And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.
I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to abuse me
for being in their way.
I'm never there when the fun starts. Story of my life. <sigh>
Post by Incubus
To put it in terms you might use, some of them are
vermin who deserve to be hunted down and severly beaten unto the point of
death.
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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a
damned nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is
used to 'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are
thirty-five times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a
car driver on the footway.
In fact, the law is seldom applied to cyclists riding on the pavement.
The Police simply turn a blind eye to it and it is deliberate policy in
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/757684/cyclists-police-pavement-investigation-penalty-fine
In one county, just a handful of fines were handed out and the
statistics show that there has been an emormous reduction in the number
of cyclists being penalised.
As West Midlands Police pointed out to the usual 'Angry Man' driver who
was screaming that if cyclists can cycle on the footway, he should be
targeting cyclists is a waste of resources, because they are simply not
a danger.
Post by Incubus
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at
responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the
pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to
other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who
are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists,
particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on
the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is
required...'
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
I don't know about that; it just seems to me that allowing them to
become a nuisance to pedestrians doesn't solve the issue.
And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.
I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to
abuse me for being in their way.
You have been placed in more danger and more often, by car drivers. It's
called confirmation bias.
Post by Incubus
To put it in terms you might use, some of them are vermin who deserve to
be hunted down and severly beaten unto the point of death.
Indeed, there are some right-wing cyclists.

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And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are a
danger to themselves and to others.
I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to abuse me
for being in their way. To put it in terms you might use, some of them are
vermin who deserve to be hunted down and severly beaten unto the point of
death.
"...at risk of injury..." Huh? Is this worse than the many thousands
that are actually harmed by drivers and their motor vehicles?
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And that's it. They are - in general - 'a nuisance'. Car drivers are
a danger to themselves and to others.
I have been at risk of injury from many a cyclist, who has gone on to
abuse me for being in their way. To put it in terms you might use, some
of them are vermin who deserve to be hunted down and severly beaten unto
the point of death.
"...at risk of injury..." Huh? Is this worse than the many thousands that
are actually harmed by drivers and their motor vehicles?
Oh, much worse!

<https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jul/01/sabotage-and-hatred-what-have-people-got-against-cyclists>

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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
This advice has been repeated since - notably in 2014 by Robert Goodwill.
Cyclists: the new Jews of the Road.
Y.
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It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially
life-threatening to themselves, responsible parents discourage it or
even forbid it.

Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially dangerous to
others or just anti-social, responsible parents forbid it outright.

Normally, when kids want to break the law, responsible parents forbid it
outright.

Why is cycling immune?
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Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Incubus
It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially
life-threatening to themselves, responsible parents discourage it or
even forbid it.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially dangerous to
others or just anti-social, responsible parents forbid it outright.
Normally, when kids want to break the law, responsible parents forbid it
outright.
Why is cycling immune?
Kids cycling on pavements is a direct response to the increase in
traffic. Only you and the chattering classes care. I realise anything
that gets kids exercising and not sitting on their fat arse consuming
the surfeit of chemical farmed steamed and extruded garbage covered in
GM corn syrup is anathema to you. Spot the miserable old fucker.

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:10:00 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Incubus
It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially
life-threatening to themselves, responsible parents discourage it or
even forbid it.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially dangerous to
others or just anti-social, responsible parents forbid it outright.
Normally, when kids want to break the law, responsible parents forbid it
outright.
Why is cycling immune?
Kids cycling on pavements is a direct response to the increase in
traffic.
It's a criminal offence. What makes it acceptable when Parliament has
decreed it illegal?
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Only you and the chattering classes care.
I think probably all of us at some time or another have had issues with
cyclists in what are supposed to be pedestrian only areas.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
I realise anything
that gets kids exercising and not sitting on their fat arse consuming
the surfeit of chemical farmed steamed and extruded garbage covered in
GM corn syrup is anathema to you. Spot the miserable old fucker.
They don't have to cycle on pavements to get exercise. Nor do I think
they do it to take exercise.

Instead of braking the law and acting anti-socially, why don't they
walk, jog, run, swim or play sports instead?
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:10:00 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Post by Incubus
It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a damned
nuisance.
That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is used to
'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five times
more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
footway.
In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home Office
'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of
traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing
so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people,
are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police
discretion is required...'
Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially
life-threatening to themselves, responsible parents discourage it or
even forbid it.
Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially dangerous to
others or just anti-social, responsible parents forbid it outright.
Normally, when kids want to break the law, responsible parents forbid it
outright.
Why is cycling immune?
Kids cycling on pavements is a direct response to the increase in
traffic.
It's a criminal offence. What makes it acceptable when Parliament has
decreed it illegal?
Off you go and enforce it then Norman. Get your camera out. Bang em up!
You have my full support.
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Only you and the chattering classes care.
I think probably all of us at some time or another have had issues with
cyclists in what are supposed to be pedestrian only areas.
Really, where was that then, what like momentarily getting in one
another's way. How awful. Get a life.
Post by Norman Wells
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
I realise anything
that gets kids exercising and not sitting on their fat arse consuming
the surfeit of chemical farmed steamed and extruded garbage covered in
GM corn syrup is anathema to you. Spot the miserable old fucker.
They don't have to cycle on pavements to get exercise. Nor do I think
they do it to take exercise.
No, amazingly I don't think children do exercise for the sake of it.
Usually they do it for fun.
Post by Norman Wells
Instead of braking the law and acting anti-socially, why don't they
walk, jog, run, swim or play sports instead?
Because they want to cycle and pissing you off is a bonus.

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: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:21:11 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: wrote:
:
: >On 14/08/2018 11:54, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:26:37 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: >> wrote:
: >>
: >>> On 14/08/2018 10:42, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:10:00 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
: >>>> <***@yahoo.fr> wrote:
: >>>>
: >>>>> Incubus <***@gmail.com> wrote:
: >>>>>
: >>>>>> It would be beneficial; cyclists riding on the pavement can be a
damned
: >>>>>> nuisance.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> That's why cyclists get pissed off. The full weight of the law is
used to
: >>>>> 'crush' them cycling on the footway, whilst you are thirty-five
times
: >>>>> more likely to be killed or seriously injured by a car driver on the
: >>>>> footway.
: >>>>>
: >>>>> In addition, although cycling on the footway is an offence, the Home
Office
: >>>>> issued the following guidance to Chief Constables in 1999:
: >>>>>
: >>>>> 'The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible
: >>>>> cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear
of
: >>>>> traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when
doing
: >>>>> so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement,
: >>>>> acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young
people,
: >>>>> are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of
police
: >>>>> discretion is required...'
: >>>>
: >>>> Yes, this has been the case for some time. I still don't ride on the
: >>>> pavement but kids on London's roads. Come on.
: >>>
: >>> Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially
: >>> life-threatening to themselves, responsible parents discourage it or
: >>> even forbid it.
: >>>
: >>> Normally, when kids want to do something that's potentially dangerous
to
: >>> others or just anti-social, responsible parents forbid it outright.
: >>>
: >>> Normally, when kids want to break the law, responsible parents forbid
it
: >>> outright.
: >>>
: >>> Why is cycling immune?
: >>
: >> Kids cycling on pavements is a direct response to the increase in
: >> traffic.
: >
: >It's a criminal offence. What makes it acceptable when Parliament has
: >decreed it illegal?
:
: Off you go and enforce it then Norman. Get your camera out. Bang em up!
: You have my full support.
:
: >> Only you and the chattering classes care.
: >
: >I think probably all of us at some time or another have had issues with
: >cyclists in what are supposed to be pedestrian only areas.
:
: Really, where was that then, what like momentarily getting in one
: another's way. How awful. Get a life.
:
:
: >> I realise anything
: >> that gets kids exercising and not sitting on their fat arse consuming
: >> the surfeit of chemical farmed steamed and extruded garbage covered in
: >> GM corn syrup is anathema to you. Spot the miserable old fucker.
: >
: >They don't have to cycle on pavements to get exercise. Nor do I think
: >they do it to take exercise.
:
: No, amazingly I don't think children do exercise for the sake of it.
: Usually they do it for fun.
:
: >Instead of braking the law and acting anti-socially, why don't they
: >walk, jog, run, swim or play sports instead?
:
: Because they want to cycle and pissing you off is a bonus.
:
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I realise anything
that gets kids exercising and not sitting on their fat arse consuming
the surfeit of chemical farmed steamed and extruded garbage covered in
GM corn syrup is anathema to you. Spot the miserable old fucker.
They don't have to cycle on pavements to get exercise. Nor do I think
they do it to take exercise.
No, amazingly I don't think children do exercise for the sake of it.
Usually they do it for fun.
Post by Norman Wells
Instead of braking the law and acting anti-socially, why don't they
walk, jog, run, swim or play sports instead?
Because they want to cycle and pissing you off is a bonus.
Sadly, of course you're right. Parents no longer instill respect or
consideration for others into their offspring. Their kids come first
and can do no wrong. They're not even taught 'right and wrong' because
the parents themselves don't understand or appreciate what they are, and
the kids don't go to school. Hence, we get abusive, uneducated, out of
control feral kids which the law unbelievably says the police cannot
touch, and a feeling in the community at large that we've become far too
soft.

Time we took a bit of action I think.
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I think probably all of us at some time or another have had issues with
cyclists in what are supposed to be pedestrian only areas.
Really, where was that then, what like momentarily getting in one
another's way. How awful. Get a life.
<http://www.safecyclingiom.com/psychology-of-cyclist-hatred/4588861505>

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Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling
should not suffer any consequences?
presumably they do just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen? Almost never would appear to
be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it? So, why are you so against it?
Perhaps the effort would be better spent on behaviour that leaves
casualties, not on fiddling about with the words the courts can play
with after the event?
Post by Norman Wells
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide
by. Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can
be charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating
mainly to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
Catch a lot more doing what?
Post by Norman Wells
And be hugely beneficial.
To casualty reduction...?
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Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling
should not suffer any consequences?
presumably they do just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen? Almost never would appear to
be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it?  So, why are you so
against it?
Perhaps the effort would be better spent on behaviour that leaves
casualties, not on fiddling about with the words the courts can play
with after the event?
No, we just import the words from the corresponding motoring law, all of
which have undergone massive judicial scrutiny and have extremely
well-settled meanings.
Post by TMS320
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide
by.  Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can
be charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating
mainly to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
Catch a lot more doing what?
Cycling without due care and attention of course.
Post by TMS320
And be hugely beneficial.
To casualty reduction...?
To accident reduction generally.
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Post by Norman Wells
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling
should not suffer any consequences?
presumably they do just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen? Almost never would appear to
be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it?  So, why are you so
against it?
Perhaps the effort would be better spent on behaviour that leaves
casualties, not on fiddling about with the words the courts can play
with after the event?
No, we just import the words from the corresponding motoring law, all of
which have undergone massive judicial scrutiny and have extremely
well-settled meanings.
The law sometimes doesn't seem to understand its own purpose. Is it a)
to give everybody a nice warm feeling or b) will it reduce casualties?
If the answer is not b) then it has to be a).
Post by Norman Wells
Post by TMS320
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide
by.  Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can
be charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating
mainly to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
Catch a lot more doing what?
Cycling without due care and attention of course.
How so?
Post by Norman Wells
Post by TMS320
And be hugely beneficial.
To casualty reduction...?
To accident reduction generally.
The motoring law does not prevent; it describes how the perpetrator may
be punished after someone dies.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
To bring in much needed laws like this.
Can you tell us why cyclists who kill by dangerous cycling should not
suffer any consequences?
presumably they do
just not via a targeted law
And how often does this event happen?
Almost never would appear to be the answer.
Then it won't affect any cyclists, will it? So, why are you so against it?
What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.

That would be hugely beneficial.

I look forward to reading your definition of careless cycling.



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What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
That would be hugely beneficial.
It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
I look forward to reading your definition of careless cycling.
1. Cycling that falls below the standard expected of a competent cyclist; or
2. Cycling that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons
using the road or pathways.

Just like the corresponding motoring law, under which there are
thousands of successful prosecutions every year.

What's the problem? Don't you like being held accountable for your actions?
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What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
That would be hugely beneficial.
It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
Tell that to the Dutch cab driver I spoke to about it. Strangely he
thought it was a good law and made him much more alert to cyclists.
They are so laid back and logical. <sigh>
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Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
I look forward to reading your definition of careless cycling.
1. Cycling that falls below the standard expected of a competent cyclist; or
2. Cycling that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons
using the road or pathways.
Just like the corresponding motoring law, under which there are
thousands of successful prosecutions every year.
Show me the equivalent motoring laws. You just made them up.
Post by Norman Wells
What's the problem? Don't you like being held accountable for your actions?
What actions. I cycle according to the law and suffer abuse from car
drivers. I pay road tax and insurance. I cannot imagine that any of my
actions could be regarded as reckless. Ever. Like what could I possibly
do. My concern is staying alive and enjoying the ride. There is no case
to answer. If cyclists jump lights nick em. Drunk in charge, nick em. I
have no problem with that. Your actions however are stereotypical of
supporters of petit bourgeois pettiness a.k.a you're a Daily Mail
reader. Let's stick a few more laws on car drivers. Carry on. Writing to
Cycling UK in a mo. Thanks for the brainstorming Normin'

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: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:04:39 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: wrote:
:
: >On 14/08/2018 10:37, p-0''0-h the cat (coder) wrote:
: >> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:08:51 +0100, Norman Wells <***@unseen.ac.am>
: >> wrote:
: >
: >>> What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal
: >>> with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by.
Not
: >>> just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
: >>> with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
: >>> horse-drawn carriages.
: >>>
: >>> An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd
agree.
: >>>
: >>> And be hugely beneficial.
: >>
: >> Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
: >> it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
: >>
: >> That would be hugely beneficial.
: >
: >It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
: >is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
:
: Tell that to the Dutch cab driver I spoke to about it. Strangely he
: thought it was a good law and made him much more alert to cyclists.
: They are so laid back and logical. <sigh>
:
: >> I look forward to reading your definition of careless cycling.
: >
: >1. Cycling that falls below the standard expected of a competent cyclist;
or
: >2. Cycling that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons
: >using the road or pathways.
:
: >Just like the corresponding motoring law, under which there are
: >thousands of successful prosecutions every year.
:
: Show me the equivalent motoring laws. You just made them up.
:
: >What's the problem? Don't you like being held accountable for your
actions?
:
: What actions. I cycle according to the law and suffer abuse from car
: drivers. I pay road tax and insurance. I cannot imagine that any of my
: actions could be regarded as reckless. Ever. Like what could I possibly
: do. My concern is staying alive and enjoying the ride. There is no case
: to answer. If cyclists jump lights nick em. Drunk in charge, nick em. I
: have no problem with that. Your actions however are stereotypical of
: supporters of petit bourgeois pettiness a.k.a you're a Daily Mail
: reader. Let's stick a few more laws on car drivers. Carry on. Writing to
: Cycling UK in a mo. Thanks for the brainstorming Normin'
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What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to
deal with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide
by. Not just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can
be charged with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating
mainly to horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
That would be hugely beneficial.
It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
Tell that to the Dutch cab driver I spoke to about it. Strangely he
thought it was a good law and made him much more alert to cyclists. They
are so laid back and logical. <sigh>
The 'presumed liability' law does not go far enough, in that it is limited
to civil claims. This should be extended to the criminal law, and should
hold that a road user who injures or kills a vulnerable road user [1] are
considered guilty under - depending on the level of injury or on whether
death occurs - the common law provisions for murder, or the statutory
provisions on wounding, grievous bodily harm etc (principally ss. 47, 20
and 18 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861). The requirement thus
for _mens rea_ would be removed, and the onus would be on the defendant to
prove that he or she did not intentionally cause death or injury.

It would concentrate drivers' minds. It would of course also concentrate
cyclists' minds, but since in the UK, more people are killed by being
crushed under falling soft drinks machines than are killed by cyclists, the
prosecutions for this would be about as rare as an honest post from a
uk.politics.misc rightard.

There are already strict liability offences, and by happy coincidence, most
concern motoring offences. The main exception is s. 5 of the Sexual
Offences Act 2003 (see _R v. G_ (2008) UKHL 37). So the bleating that this
is somehow 'undemocratic' (LOL!) or 'unjust' can be printed out and used to
wipe a vegan cyclist's bottom.

Y.

[1] and this would include cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians
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What we really need of course is an adequate and up-to-date law to deal
with careless cycling in general, like motorists have to abide by. Not
just 'wanton and furious' driving which is all cyclists can be charged
with currently, a hangover from Victorian laws relating mainly to
horse-drawn carriages.
An offence of careless cycling would catch a lot more, I'm sure you'd agree.
And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
That would be hugely beneficial.
It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
Tell that to the Dutch cab driver I spoke to about it. Strangely he
thought it was a good law and made him much more alert to cyclists.
They are so laid back and logical. <sigh>
I'd have thought it anathema that anyone could be convicted and
penalised under the law for something that was not his actual fault.

You obviously think it perfectly acceptable.
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Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
I look forward to reading your definition of careless cycling.
1. Cycling that falls below the standard expected of a competent cyclist; or
2. Cycling that does not show reasonable consideration for other persons
using the road or pathways.
Just like the corresponding motoring law, under which there are
thousands of successful prosecutions every year.
Show me the equivalent motoring laws. You just made them up.
Why does it not surprise me that you've never heard of the Road Traffic
Act 1988? Your ignorance knows no bounds, yet you accuse me of lying.

That's pretty low in anyone's book. Want to apologise?
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Post by Norman Wells
What's the problem? Don't you like being held accountable for your actions?
What actions. I cycle according to the law and suffer abuse from car
drivers. I pay road tax and insurance. I cannot imagine that any of my
actions could be regarded as reckless. Ever.
No-one mentioned 'reckless'. We were talking about 'careless'. And
anyone who says they've never been careless, ever, when driving or
cycling is a miserable little liar.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Like what could I possibly
do. My concern is staying alive and enjoying the ride. There is no case
to answer. If cyclists jump lights nick em. Drunk in charge, nick em. I
have no problem with that. Your actions however are stereotypical of
supporters of petit bourgeois pettiness a.k.a you're a Daily Mail
reader. Let's stick a few more laws on car drivers. Carry on. Writing to
Cycling UK in a mo. Thanks for the brainstorming Normin'
I don't know what you're on about. You're all in favour of cyclists
being nicked for various things, but you seem opposed to a catch-all
'careless cycling' offence that would cover them, as well as such things
that are difficult to prosecute them for a the moment except under
ancient Statutes.

You see, motorists are typically prosecuted for things cyclists
currently get away with on a daily basis. And there's no reason for any
distinction. Since the things listed below are 'driving without due
care and attention' and deemed unacceptable, then they should also apply
to cyclists. So, 'cycling without due care and attention' should include:

"overtaking on the inside;
driving inappropriately close to another vehicle;
inadvertently driving through a red light;
emerging from a side road into the path of another vehicle;
...
using a hand-held mobile phone or other hand-held electronic equipment
...
selecting and lighting a cigarette or similar when the driver was
avoidably distracted by that use"

as specified by the CPS

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic-offences-guidance-charging-offences-arising-driving-incidents

Of course, if you're always the perfect cyclist as you maintain, you
won't be in any danger of prosecution at all.
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And be hugely beneficial.
Fine. Let's also introduce the Dutch law where if a car hits a cyclist
it's a no fault needs to be proven done deal it's the drivers fault.
That would be hugely beneficial.
It would be nonsensical, illogical, stupid and absurd because the *fact*
is that some such accidents are the fault of the cyclist.
And if this is indeed what happened does the driver not have an avenue
in which to to prove it?
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on the
Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical industries.
The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the British
establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and subsequently
dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst turning a blind
eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and motorcyclists.

It has always been my view that defensive violence should be overwhelming
and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why whenever threatened
on the roads here, I always escalate. British cyclists should do the same.

Y.
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It has always been my view that defensive violence should be
overwhelming and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why
whenever threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British
cyclists should do the same.
And should pedestrians do the same?

We know your attitude to other people. Are you a typical Jew?

You are well aware of the case that prompted this discussion. Can we
assume you are defending the behaviour of the defendant?
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It has always been my view that defensive violence should be
overwhelming and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why
whenever threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British
cyclists should do the same.
And should pedestrians do the same?
Anyone who is threatened without cause, should do the same. Want drivers
to start to respect you as a cyclist or as a pedestrian? Carry a claw
hammer.
Post by Joe
We know your attitude to other people. Are you a typical Jew?
Isn't it just as well that 'Jooooooz' aren't brought into every
conversation, eh ?
Post by Joe
You are well aware of the case that prompted this discussion. Can we
assume you are defending the behaviour of the defendant?
You can 'assume' anything you want.

Y.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on the
Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical industries.
The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the British
establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and subsequently
dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst turning a blind
eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be overwhelming
and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why whenever threatened
on the roads here, I always escalate. British cyclists should do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting at
you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never abates.
Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car. The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so
weak I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This
is pitiful and targeted and lazy. Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's
cold and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice. We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault. This could be a can of
worms and if the car drivers get nasty so can cyclists.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on
the Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical
industries. The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the
British establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and
subsequently dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst
turning a blind eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and
motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be overwhelming
and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why whenever
threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British cyclists should
do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting at
you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never abates.
On the two occasions where I have had abuse directed at me here, I have
used force and caused injury once. The driver got a broken cheekbone and
a mild concussion. On the second occasion, the driver fled. I was
cleared of any illegal activity.
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Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car. The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so weak
I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This is
pitiful and targeted and lazy. Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's cold
and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice. We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault. This could be a can of
worms and if the car drivers get nasty so can cyclists.
One of the posters on this newsgroup - Nugent - trolls regularly on
uk.rec.cycling. He believes that driver pay 'road tax'. He believes that
100% of cyclists fail to stop at red lights, and that 100% of cyclists ride
on the footway. He also believes that drivers in the UK are 'heavily
sanctioned'.

Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to endanger
other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and dealt
with.

Y.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on
the Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical
industries. The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the
British establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and
subsequently dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst
turning a blind eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and
motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be overwhelming
and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why whenever
threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British cyclists should
do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting at
you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never abates.
On the two occasions where I have had abuse directed at me here, I have
used force and caused injury once. The driver got a broken cheekbone and
a mild concussion. On the second occasion, the driver fled. I was
cleared of any illegal activity.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car. The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so weak
I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This is
pitiful and targeted and lazy. Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's cold
and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice. We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault. This could be a can of
worms and if the car drivers get nasty so can cyclists.
One of the posters on this newsgroup - Nugent - trolls regularly on
uk.rec.cycling. He believes that driver pay 'road tax'. He believes that
100% of cyclists fail to stop at red lights, and that 100% of cyclists ride
on the footway. He also believes that drivers in the UK are 'heavily
sanctioned'.
I pay road tax. I stop at red lights, and I never cycle on pavements.

In 50 years of cycling I have only ever known one guy who rode a fixed
wheel on the road for a short period of time until he realised he wasn't
going to live to see his old age. Really dangerous but so is modding
cars.
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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to endanger
other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and dealt
with.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on
the Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical
industries. The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the
British establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and
subsequently dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst
turning a blind eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and
motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be
overwhelming and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why
whenever threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British
cyclists should do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting
at you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never
abates.
On the two occasions where I have had abuse directed at me here, I have
used force and caused injury once. The driver got a broken cheekbone
and a mild concussion. On the second occasion, the driver fled. I was
cleared of any illegal activity.
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Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car. The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so
weak I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This
is pitiful and targeted and lazy. Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's
cold and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice. We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault. This could be a can of
worms and if the car drivers get nasty so can cyclists.
One of the posters on this newsgroup - Nugent - trolls regularly on
uk.rec.cycling. He believes that driver pay 'road tax'. He believes
that 100% of cyclists fail to stop at red lights, and that 100% of
cyclists ride on the footway. He also believes that drivers in the UK
are 'heavily sanctioned'.
I pay road tax. I stop at red lights, and I never cycle on pavements.
I too obey all applicable road laws, but point of order: you don't pay
'road tax' as there has been no such 'tax' since 1937. The 'tax' you pay
is called Vehicle Excise Duty or 'VED' and is based on pollution. So even
if cyclists were eligible to pay, they would be zero-rated.

On uk.rec.cycling, there was a bit of a thicko called David Lang who was so
thick, he actually used to post from his work address as 'the medway
handyman'. Like the other cretin Nugent, he remained convinced that 'road
tax' was a thing, and that only the name had changed.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
In 50 years of cycling I have only ever known one guy who rode a fixed
wheel on the road for a short period of time until he realised he wasn't
going to live to see his old age. Really dangerous but so is modding
cars.
I have a single speed, but it's so hilly here that I use it but
occasionally.

Y.
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I have a single speed
factual again...what is the world coming to
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I have a single speed
factual again...what is the world coming to
That was actually quite funny.

Was it an accident?

Y.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on
the Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical
industries. The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the
British establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and
subsequently dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst
turning a blind eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and
motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be
overwhelming and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why
whenever threatened on the roads here, I always escalate. British
cyclists should do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting
at you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never
abates.
On the two occasions where I have had abuse directed at me here, I have
used force and caused injury once. The driver got a broken cheekbone
and a mild concussion. On the second occasion, the driver fled. I was
cleared of any illegal activity.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car. The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so
weak I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This
is pitiful and targeted and lazy. Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's
cold and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice. We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault. This could be a can of
worms and if the car drivers get nasty so can cyclists.
One of the posters on this newsgroup - Nugent - trolls regularly on
uk.rec.cycling. He believes that driver pay 'road tax'. He believes
that 100% of cyclists fail to stop at red lights, and that 100% of
cyclists ride on the footway. He also believes that drivers in the UK
are 'heavily sanctioned'.
I pay road tax. I stop at red lights, and I never cycle on pavements.
I too obey all applicable road laws, but point of order: you don't pay
'road tax' as there has been no such 'tax' since 1937. The 'tax' you pay
is called Vehicle Excise Duty or 'VED' and is based on pollution. So even
if cyclists were eligible to pay, they would be zero-rated.
No, I pay road tax. I also pay National insurance. The fact that the
political scum have sort to pervert these concepts and prefer to
denigrate their electorate who for example are now welfare whores and
not workers in a capitalist system who honourably pay an insurance
designed to carry them through periods of unemployment and provide a
modest pension for themselves is testament to what a bunch of scum our
political slugs are and not what a bunch of irresponsible rabble most of
the electorate are. These pedantics are designed to remove power from
the proles and transfer it to the slugs so they can then stand in
parliament and declare they are 'providing' [it being our money is never
mentioned] such and such to such an such a project in their blood
sucking benevolence to us, the other, a bunch of unempowered scum a.k.a
me and those like me who have to lump it. Job seekers allowance is the
latest in a long line of obfuscation and newspeak we are told to
memorise. We should rip the throats out of these scheming shysters and
return to plainspeak as outlined in my pussy manifesto.
Post by Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
On uk.rec.cycling, there was a bit of a thicko called David Lang who was so
thick, he actually used to post from his work address as 'the medway
handyman'. Like the other cretin Nugent, he remained convinced that 'road
tax' was a thing, and that only the name had changed.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
In 50 years of cycling I have only ever known one guy who rode a fixed
wheel on the road for a short period of time until he realised he wasn't
going to live to see his old age. Really dangerous but so is modding
cars.
I have a single speed, but it's so hilly here that I use it but
occasionally.
Y.
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I pay road tax. I stop at red lights, and I never cycle on pavements.
I too obey all applicable road laws, but point of order: you don't pay
'road tax' as there has been no such 'tax' since 1937. The 'tax' you
pay is called Vehicle Excise Duty or 'VED' and is based on pollution. So
even if cyclists were eligible to pay, they would be zero-rated.
No, I pay road tax. I also pay National insurance. The fact that the
political scum have sort to pervert these concepts and prefer to
denigrate their electorate who for example are now welfare whores and not
workers in a capitalist system who honourably pay an insurance designed
to carry them through periods of unemployment and provide a modest
pension for themselves is testament to what a bunch of scum our political
slugs are and not what a bunch of irresponsible rabble most of the
electorate are. These pedantics are designed to remove power from the
proles and transfer it to the slugs so they can then stand in parliament
and declare they are 'providing' [it being our money is never mentioned]
such and such to such an such a project in their blood sucking
benevolence to us, the other, a bunch of unempowered scum a.k.a me and
those like me who have to lump it. Job seekers allowance is the latest in
a long line of obfuscation and newspeak we are told to memorise. We
should rip the throats out of these scheming shysters and return to
plainspeak as outlined in my pussy manifesto.
Um, OK...

Y.
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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to endanger
other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and dealt
with.
more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome

one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike
by an oaf in a porche moving out of a side road without
checking....the bike was considerably damaged..
porcheman then started whining about his car being scratched and
how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds of pounds
for repairs...

what a victim
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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to
endanger other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and
dealt with.
more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome
Don't get your hopes up, because I intend to continue the public
humiliation of you and your fellow hard-right reactionaries.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike by an oaf in
a porche moving out of a side road without checking....the bike was
considerably damaged.. porcheman then started whining about his car
being scratched and how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds of
pounds for repairs...
what a victim
The British driver is the worst in the world. Sure, there are other
countries' drivers where the lack of ability is as manifest, and there are
some countries where the gobby, bullish sense of entitlement is as great.
The British poison is rarely on such garish, ostentatious display as in the
aggressive and homicidal behaviour of the driver.

Y.
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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to
endanger other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and
dealt with.
more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome
Don't get your hopes up, because I intend to continue the public
humiliation of you and your fellow hard-right reactionaries.
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one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike by an oaf in
a porche moving out of a side road without checking....the bike was
considerably damaged.. porcheman then started whining about his car
being scratched and how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds of
pounds for repairs...
what a victim
The British driver is the worst in the world. Sure, there are other
countries' drivers where the lack of ability is as manifest, and there are
some countries where the gobby, bullish sense of entitlement is as great.
The British poison is rarely on such garish, ostentatious display as in the
aggressive and homicidal behaviour of the driver.
We aren't all like that. The misses says I drive like an old man. She on
the other hand is exactly as you describe but much much worse. No, I'm
not kidding.


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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to
endanger other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found
and dealt with.
more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome
Don't get your hopes up, because I intend to continue the public
humiliation of you and your fellow hard-right reactionaries.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike by an oaf
in a porche moving out of a side road without checking....the bike was
considerably damaged.. porcheman then started whining about his car
being scratched and how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds
of pounds for repairs...
what a victim
The British driver is the worst in the world. Sure, there are other
countries' drivers where the lack of ability is as manifest, and there
are some countries where the gobby, bullish sense of entitlement is as
great. The British poison is rarely on such garish, ostentatious display
as in the aggressive and homicidal behaviour of the driver.
We aren't all like that. The misses says I drive like an old man. She on
the other hand is exactly as you describe but much much worse. No, I'm
not kidding.
I am one of those slightly erm, 'older' drivers who never breaks the law
whilst driving. I've been driving for close to fifty years and never had an
accident, and never a single traffic violation. Unlike my wife, this
isn't due to an overly cautious driving style, as I am very competent and
very confident. I can actually do a power slide, although the one and only
time I ever did so with the wife in the car, she threatened divorce if I
ever did it again. :-)

Y.
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: >> On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:41:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
: >> <***@yahoo.fr> wrote:
: >
: >>>Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to
: >>>endanger other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found
and
: >>>dealt with.
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: >> more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome
: >
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: >humiliation of you and your fellow hard-right reactionaries.
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: >> one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike by an oaf
in
: >> a porche moving out of a side road without checking....the bike was
: >> considerably damaged.. porcheman then started whining about his car
: >> being scratched and how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds
of
: >> pounds for repairs...
: >>
: >> what a victim
: >
: >The British driver is the worst in the world. Sure, there are other
: >countries' drivers where the lack of ability is as manifest, and there
are
: >some countries where the gobby, bullish sense of entitlement is as great.
: >The British poison is rarely on such garish, ostentatious display as in
the
: >aggressive and homicidal behaviour of the driver.
:
: We aren't all like that. The misses says I drive like an old man. She on
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:41:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
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Having one's opinion is one thing. Inventing 'facts' in order to
endanger other people is another. Anyone who does so should be found and
dealt with.
more evidence you intend to turn over a new leaf...this is awesome
Don't get your hopes up, because I intend to continue the public
humiliation of you and your fellow hard-right reactionaries.
i'm shaking with trepidation
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Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
one young fellow of my acquaintance was knocked off his bike by an oaf in
a porche moving out of a side road without checking....the bike was
considerably damaged.. porcheman then started whining about his car
being scratched and how he as going to sue the bicyclist for hundreds of
pounds for repairs...
what a victim
The British driver is the worst in the world. Sure, there are other
countries' drivers where the lack of ability is as manifest, and there are
some countries where the gobby, bullish sense of entitlement is as great.
The British poison is rarely on such garish, ostentatious display as in the
aggressive and homicidal behaviour of the driver.
which is of course out of accord that british roads are safer than
almost all other countries

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
There is a cultural war being waged in the UK against cycling, driven
mainly by the right-wing press which depends for advertising revenue on the
Road Haulage Association as well on the road and petrochemical industries.
The Kim Briggs incident was manna from heaven for the British
establishment, who were able to demonise a young man (and subsequently
dstroy his life by giving him a criminal record), whilst turning a blind
eye to the carnage inflicted every day by drivers and motorcyclists.
It has always been my view that defensive violence should be overwhelming
and should inflict life-changing injuries. That is why whenever threatened
on the roads here, I always escalate. British cyclists should do the same.
I had a car come up to me once and the passenger threw an apple at me.
It hit me in the face. How I didn't come off I dunno. People shouting at
you is common. The bullshit about us not paying road tax never abates.
Do I have a car.. I'm a member of cycling UK therefore I also have
insurance. In other words I have the right to take up the same space on
the road as a car.
You mean cyclists without insurance don't have any such right?

You seem to be arguing for a law making insurance for cyclists
compulsory. Would you object to that?
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
The fact that I move to the side is a courtesy but
moving into the gutter is not going to happen. This government is so
weak I fear even the cyclists will damage them and quite rightly. This
is pitiful and targeted and lazy.
Nothing wrong with being targeted.

But why do you consider it 'pitiful' and 'lazy'?
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
Aimed to finish in Nov/Dec when it's
cold and wet and Christmas is coming. Complete cowardice.
Why is that 'cowardice'?
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
We'll see. In
Holland, car hits a cyclist, it's their fault.
Which is an obvious nonsense, and unrelated to reality. It's just the
sort of law we should be railing against. It's a fundamental principle
of justice that you have to do something wrong to face a penalty under
the law.
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
among the safest roads in the world?
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Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
among the safest roads in the world?
Then they should keep up the good work. Singling this out looks
politically motivated. As part of a complete review I have no beef.

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On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:20:18 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
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Post by abelard
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 00:37:26 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
among the safest roads in the world?
Then they should keep up the good work. Singling this out looks
politically motivated.
a plausible theory

government always wants to find ways of taxing you...
business wants to sell you crap...

cyclists do not so readily feed those maws
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As part of a complete review I have no beef.
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BurfordTJustice
2018-08-12 16:43:51 UTC
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BurfordTJustice
2018-08-13 16:01:19 UTC
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Run them fuckers off the roads.



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p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2018-08-13 16:46:28 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:01:19 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
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Run them fuckers off the roads.
Thank God nobody looks up to you. You have become a parody of yourself.
Strangely, I feel that this is progress on your journey to becoming a
more rounded and tolerant human being.
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: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
: Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
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: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
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BurfordTJustice
2018-08-13 18:12:43 UTC
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LOL you believe people really givea shit what you think...LOL


"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <***@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
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: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:01:19 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: <burford/***@uk.MI15> wrote:
:
: >Run them fuckers off the roads.
:
: Thank God nobody looks up to you. You have become a parody of yourself.
: Strangely, I feel that this is progress on your journey to becoming a
: more rounded and tolerant human being.
:
:
:
: >"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <***@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
: >message news:***@4ax.com...
: >:
: >:
: >: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
: >:
: >: Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
: >: them for at the department of transport.
: >:
: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >:
: >: --
: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >:
: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
: >Boy,
: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >infâme,
: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
: >troll,
: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
scumbag,
: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
: >chav,
: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
: >lesbian,
: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >:
: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >:
: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >:
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: >:
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: >
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infâme,
: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
troll,
: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
chav,
: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
lesbian,
: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
:
: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
:
: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
:
: Signature integrity check
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p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2018-08-13 20:12:52 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:12:43 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
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LOL you believe people really givea shit what you think...LOL
Thank you for reading ALL my posts. Don't feel you have to. Nevertheless
it's a comforting thought that you care enough about what I say that you
do so. Kissy.
Post by BurfordTJustice
: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:01:19 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: >Run them fuckers off the roads.
: Thank God nobody looks up to you. You have become a parody of yourself.
: Strangely, I feel that this is progress on your journey to becoming a
: more rounded and tolerant human being.
: >: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
: >: Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
: >: them for at the department of transport.
: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >: --
: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
: >Boy,
: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >infâme,
: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
: >troll,
: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
scumbag,
: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
: >chav,
: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
: >lesbian,
: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >: Signature integrity check
: >: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: >: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
: >
: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: --
: p-0.0-h the cat
: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
Boy,
: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
infâme,
: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
troll,
: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
chav,
: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
lesbian,
: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: Signature integrity check
: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
--
p-0.0-h the cat

Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy,
Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme,
the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll,
shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav,
punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian,
the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.

NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist

Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.

Signature integrity check
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BurfordTJustice
2018-08-13 20:21:45 UTC
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Too bad for you no one here swings that way....

keep looking. try % on usenet.kooks




"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <***@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
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: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:12:43 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: <burford/***@uk.MI15> wrote:
:
: >LOL you believe people really givea shit what you think...LOL
:
: Thank you for reading ALL my posts. Don't feel you have to. Nevertheless
: it's a comforting thought that you care enough about what I say that you
: do so. Kissy.
:
:
:
: >"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <***@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote in
: >message news:***@4ax.com...
: >: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:01:19 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: >: <burford/***@uk.MI15> wrote:
: >:
: >: >Run them fuckers off the roads.
: >:
: >: Thank God nobody looks up to you. You have become a parody of yourself.
: >: Strangely, I feel that this is progress on your journey to becoming a
: >: more rounded and tolerant human being.
: >:
: >:
: >:
: >: >"p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" <***@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote
in
: >: >message news:***@4ax.com...
: >: >:
: >: >:
: >: >: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
: >: >:
: >: >: Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we
paying
: >: >: them for at the department of transport.
: >: >:
: >: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >: >:
: >: >: --
: >: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >: >:
: >: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter
rat,
: >: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil,
Monkey
: >: >Boy,
: >: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >: >infâme,
: >: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers],
lowlife
: >: >troll,
: >: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath,
kook,
: >: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
: >scumbag,
: >: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped
up
: >: >chav,
: >: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic
schizotypal
: >: >lesbian,
: >: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >: >:
: >: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >: >:
: >: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >: >:
: >: >: Signature integrity check
: >: >: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: >: >:
: >: >: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
: >: >:
: >: >
: >:
: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >:
: >: --
: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >:
: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
: >Boy,
: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >infâme,
: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
: >troll,
: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
scumbag,
: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
: >chav,
: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
: >lesbian,
: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >:
: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >:
: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >:
: >: Signature integrity check
: >: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: >:
: >: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
: >:
: >
:
: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
:
: --
: p-0.0-h the cat
:
: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
Boy,
: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
infâme,
: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
troll,
: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
chav,
: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
lesbian,
: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
:
: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
:
: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
:
: Signature integrity check
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:
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:
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2018-08-13 20:56:58 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 16:21:45 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
Too bad for you no one here swings that way....
You live a lot closer to brokeback mountain than I do honey.
Post by BurfordTJustice
keep looking. try % on usenet.kooks
: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:12:43 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: >LOL you believe people really givea shit what you think...LOL
: Thank you for reading ALL my posts. Don't feel you have to. Nevertheless
: it's a comforting thought that you care enough about what I say that you
: do so. Kissy.
: >: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:01:19 -0400, "BurfordTJustice"
: >: >Run them fuckers off the roads.
: >: Thank God nobody looks up to you. You have become a parody of yourself.
: >: Strangely, I feel that this is progress on your journey to becoming a
: >: more rounded and tolerant human being.
in
: >: >: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
: >: >: Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we
paying
: >: >: them for at the department of transport.
: >: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >: >: --
: >: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter
rat,
: >: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil,
Monkey
: >: >Boy,
: >: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >: >infâme,
: >: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers],
lowlife
: >: >troll,
: >: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath,
kook,
: >: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
: >scumbag,
: >: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped
up
: >: >chav,
: >: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic
schizotypal
: >: >lesbian,
: >: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >: >: Signature integrity check
: >: >: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: >: >: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
: >: >
: >: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: >: --
: >: p-0.0-h the cat
: >: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: >: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
: >Boy,
: >: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: >: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
: >infâme,
: >: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
: >troll,
: >: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: >: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish
scumbag,
: >: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
: >chav,
: >: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
: >lesbian,
: >: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: >: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: >: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: >: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: >: Signature integrity check
: >: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: >: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
: >
: Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
: --
: p-0.0-h the cat
: Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
: Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey
Boy,
: Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
: the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll
infâme,
: the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife
troll,
: shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
: smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
: liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up
chav,
: punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal
lesbian,
: the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.
: NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist
: Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
: By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.
: Signature integrity check
: md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896
: I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
Sent from my iFurryUnderbelly.
--
p-0.0-h the cat

Internet Terrorist, Mass sock puppeteer, Agent provocateur, Gutter rat,
Devil incarnate, Linux user#666, BaStarD hacker, Resident evil, Monkey Boy,
Certifiable criminal, Spineless cowardly scum, textbook Psychopath,
the SCOURGE, l33t p00h d3 tr0ll, p00h == lam3r, p00h == tr0ll, troll infâme,
the OVERCAT [The BEARPAIR are dead, and we are its murderers], lowlife troll,
shyster [pending approval by STATE_TERROR], cripple, sociopath, kook,
smug prick, smartarse, arsehole, moron, idiot, imbecile, snittish scumbag,
liar, total ******* retard, shill, pooh-seur, scouringerer, jumped up chav,
punk ass dole whore troll, religious maniac, lycanthropic schizotypal lesbian,
the most complete ignoid, joker, and furball.

NewsGroups Numbrer One Terrorist

Honorary SHYSTER and FRAUD awarded for services to Haberdashery.
By Appointment to God Frank-Lin.

Signature integrity check
md5 Checksum: be0b2a8c486d83ce7db9a459b26c4896

I mark any message from »Q« the troll as stinky
Peter Percival
2018-08-13 17:36:45 UTC
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Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45154708
Pathetic and ineffectual like the tories. What the fuck are we paying
them for at the department of transport.
Pointless unless enforced.
Post by p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
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