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Fed up with turd polishing, David Davis quits
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MM
2018-07-09 07:41:17 UTC
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One turd on Friday night, then another on Saturday, by Sunday David
Davis was disgusted by the whiff of ordure wafting from Number 10. He
couldn't go on. "One more turd and I'm gone!" he threatened.

Then the chief whip brought in another toilet bowl full and Davis
threw up all over his principles. Finally, he picked one out of the
mess of pottage and decided enough was enough. No one yet knows where
the toilet bowl went or who has taken over as turd monitor. By 9:00
a.m. we'll know. Shall it be Michael Gove? What about Boris Johnson?

Suffice to say that Brexit now looks like it's entered its terminal
phase.

MM
Norman Wells
2018-07-09 08:29:31 UTC
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One turd on Friday night, then another on Saturday, by Sunday David
Davis was disgusted by the whiff of ordure wafting from Number 10. He
couldn't go on. "One more turd and I'm gone!" he threatened.
Then the chief whip brought in another toilet bowl full and Davis
threw up all over his principles. Finally, he picked one out of the
mess of pottage and decided enough was enough. No one yet knows where
the toilet bowl went or who has taken over as turd monitor. By 9:00
a.m. we'll know. Shall it be Michael Gove? What about Boris Johnson?
Suffice to say that Brexit now looks like it's entered its terminal
phase.
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.

"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed except
its name. We're still honouring all of our manifesto commitments,
because we never said 'leave' was any different from 'remain'. The new
Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do her best to keep us
in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
Ian Jackson
2018-07-09 08:37:26 UTC
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I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name. We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'. The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do
her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
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Tim
2018-07-09 09:25:32 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do
her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
I would rather there was a change of heart on Brexit but to fair if lots
of those pro EU chose not to vote it's not the fault of the Brexiters.
One can't count the "I couldn't be bothered to vote ". For me it's
about what kind of Brexit do we want rather than no Brexit in terms of
democracy being respected.
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Ian Jackson
2018-07-09 12:50:30 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department
for Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining
in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will
do her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
I would rather there was a change of heart on Brexit but to fair if
lots of those pro EU chose not to vote it's not the fault of the
Brexiters.
There comes a time when you have to stop 'being fair', and instead be
realistic.
Post by Tim
One can't count the "I couldn't be bothered to vote ". For me it's
about what kind of Brexit do we want rather than no Brexit in terms of
democracy being respected.
This isn't a football game - neither is it the kind of 'democracy' that
we want. When it comes to the future of our national and personal
prosperity, although we shouldn't go out of our way to unnecessarily
break the rules neither should we be bending over backwards (or,
probably more accurately, forwards!) to adhere to them to the absolute
letter.
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Ian
Incubus
2018-07-09 13:18:05 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department
for Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining
in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will
do her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
I would rather there was a change of heart on Brexit but to fair if
lots of those pro EU chose not to vote it's not the fault of the
Brexiters.
There comes a time when you have to stop 'being fair', and instead be
realistic.
Post by Tim
One can't count the "I couldn't be bothered to vote ". For me it's
about what kind of Brexit do we want rather than no Brexit in terms of
democracy being respected.
This isn't a football game - neither is it the kind of 'democracy' that
we want.
Indeed - 52% of the voters decided that the EU isn't the kind of 'democracy'
that we want.

I'm glad you are finally being a bit more realistic.
abelard
2018-07-09 15:47:05 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:50:30 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
This isn't a football game - neither is it the kind of 'democracy' that
we want. When it comes to the future of our national and personal
prosperity, although we shouldn't go out of our way to unnecessarily
break the rules neither should we be bending over backwards (or,
probably more accurately, forwards!) to adhere to them to the absolute
letter.
so...another poster who fancies to be a 'we'
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Norman Wells
2018-07-09 10:55:14 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do
her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
You mean betraying the majority who did vote to leave the EU.
Ian Jackson
2018-07-09 12:53:59 UTC
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department
for Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining
in the EU.
Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will
do her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the EU.
You mean betraying the majority who did vote to leave the EU.
When it comes to a largely uninformed and bigoted majority hell-bent on
wrecking the country with their 'might is right' mentality, I'm tempted
to say "Stuff the majority"!
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Norman Wells
2018-07-09 13:04:15 UTC
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Post by Norman Wells
I understand the government has just announced that the Department
for  Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining
in the  EU.
 Ah! Reality has dawned at last!
Post by Norman Wells
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed
except its name.  We're still honouring all of our manifesto
commitments, because we never said 'leave' was any different from
'remain'.  The new Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will
do  her best to keep us in the EU in accordance with the referendum
result".
 She is simply respecting the 36 million who didn't vote to leave the
EU.
You mean betraying the majority who did vote to leave the EU.
When it comes to a largely uninformed and bigoted majority hell-bent on
wrecking the country with their 'might is right' mentality, I'm tempted
to say "Stuff the majority"!
Yes, why don't you say what you mean, ie 'fuck democracy'?
Mike Swift
2018-07-09 15:19:31 UTC
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When it comes to a largely uninformed and bigoted majority hell-bent on
wrecking the country with their 'might is right' mentality, I'm tempted to say
"Stuff the majority"!
Sieg Heil mein Fuhrer.

Mike
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abelard
2018-07-09 15:49:33 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:53:59 +0100, Ian Jackson
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When it comes to a largely uninformed and bigoted majority hell-bent on
wrecking the country with their 'might is right' mentality, I'm tempted
to say "Stuff the majority"!
of course you are...every socialist prefers dictatorship
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Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
2018-07-09 17:40:01 UTC
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On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:53:59 +0100, Ian Jackson
Post by Ian Jackson
When it comes to a largely uninformed and bigoted majority hell-bent on
wrecking the country with their 'might is right' mentality, I'm tempted
to say "Stuff the majority"!
of course you are...every socialist prefers dictatorship
All the more remarkable that there has never been a 'socialist
dictatorship' then.

Y.
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R. Mark Clayton
2018-07-09 09:16:33 UTC
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One turd on Friday night, then another on Saturday, by Sunday David
Davis was disgusted by the whiff of ordure wafting from Number 10. He
couldn't go on. "One more turd and I'm gone!" he threatened.
Then the chief whip brought in another toilet bowl full and Davis
threw up all over his principles. Finally, he picked one out of the
mess of pottage and decided enough was enough. No one yet knows where
the toilet bowl went or who has taken over as turd monitor. By 9:00
a.m. we'll know. Shall it be Michael Gove? What about Boris Johnson?
Suffice to say that Brexit now looks like it's entered its terminal
phase.
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed except
its name. We're still honouring all of our manifesto commitments,
because we never said 'leave' was any different from 'remain'. The new
Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do her best to keep us
in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
Well the government seems terminally incapable of taking this forward, so if they can't agree let the people decide in a people's vote.
Norman Wells
2018-07-09 10:52:20 UTC
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One turd on Friday night, then another on Saturday, by Sunday David
Davis was disgusted by the whiff of ordure wafting from Number 10. He
couldn't go on. "One more turd and I'm gone!" he threatened.
Then the chief whip brought in another toilet bowl full and Davis
threw up all over his principles. Finally, he picked one out of the
mess of pottage and decided enough was enough. No one yet knows where
the toilet bowl went or who has taken over as turd monitor. By 9:00
a.m. we'll know. Shall it be Michael Gove? What about Boris Johnson?
Suffice to say that Brexit now looks like it's entered its terminal
phase.
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed except
its name. We're still honouring all of our manifesto commitments,
because we never said 'leave' was any different from 'remain'. The new
Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do her best to keep us
in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
Well the government seems terminally incapable of taking this forward, so if they can't agree let the people decide in a people's vote.
And if they decided again to leave, nothing will have changed, so the
government on your analysis would still be incapable of taking it
forward. It wouldn't help therefore to have another vote.
Yellow
2018-07-09 15:53:01 UTC
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One turd on Friday night, then another on Saturday, by Sunday David
Davis was disgusted by the whiff of ordure wafting from Number 10. He
couldn't go on. "One more turd and I'm gone!" he threatened.
Then the chief whip brought in another toilet bowl full and Davis
threw up all over his principles. Finally, he picked one out of the
mess of pottage and decided enough was enough. No one yet knows where
the toilet bowl went or who has taken over as turd monitor. By 9:00
a.m. we'll know. Shall it be Michael Gove? What about Boris Johnson?
Suffice to say that Brexit now looks like it's entered its terminal
phase.
I understand the government has just announced that the Department for
Exiting the EU is to be renamed as the Department for Remaining in the EU.
"It's the same Department", said Mrs May, "so nothing has changed except
its name. We're still honouring all of our manifesto commitments,
because we never said 'leave' was any different from 'remain'. The new
Minister in charge will be Anna Soubrey who will do her best to keep us
in the EU in accordance with the referendum result".
Well the government seems terminally incapable of taking this forward, so if they can't agree let the people decide in a people's vote.
And if they decided again to leave, nothing will have changed, so the
government on your analysis would still be incapable of taking it
forward. It wouldn't help therefore to have another vote.
Indeed.

The problem we in fact have is that the Government can take it forward
but because of remainer objection are being prevented.

And I understand that some people hope a 2nd referendum will simply make
it all go away but they are deluded if they think a so called "soft
Brexit" or no Brexit at all is going to make leavers go away and stop
wanting what they voted for.

How it is going to be sorted out in the end - Parliament vs The People -
only time will tell.
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