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Yellow
2017-04-14 13:12:27 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".

It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
R. Mark Clayton
2017-04-14 16:33:23 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
So more tax for us that actually pay some :-(


There is nothing to stop local or regional suppliers getting the work now - is there?
Yellow
2017-04-14 16:51:15 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
So more tax for us that actually pay some :-(
How do you come to that conclusion?
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There is nothing to stop local or regional suppliers getting the work now - is there?
Yes.
R. Mark Clayton
2017-04-14 18:58:36 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
So more tax for us that actually pay some :-(
How do you come to that conclusion?
If you don't take the lowest bid, then you have to pay more - doh!
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There is nothing to stop local or regional suppliers getting the work now - is there?
Yes.
They could just be more competitive and make lower bids...
Yellow
2017-04-14 22:09:08 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
So more tax for us that actually pay some :-(
How do you come to that conclusion?
If you don't take the lowest bid, then you have to pay more - doh!
There is no rule that says the lowest bid has to be accepted, it is
obviously (I'd have thought it was obvious anyway) much more complicated
than that.

So I ask again - how do you come to that conclusion?
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There is nothing to stop local or regional suppliers getting the work now - is there?
Yes.
They could just be more competitive and make lower bids...
See above.
harry
2017-04-15 07:04:41 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
Fredxxx
2017-04-15 09:30:14 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
No, value for money can be used as criteria, also local benefit of
creating local employment can also be a criterion.
Yellow
2017-04-15 13:28:21 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
No, value for money can be used as criteria, also local benefit of
creating local employment can also be a criterion.
I have seen lots of tender documents but never one that contains that.

Heard lots of bitching though from NR and LUL that EU based companies
have to be given exactly the same opportunities as UK ones or the
awarding of the contract will be challenged.
Fredxxx
2017-04-17 20:07:37 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
No, value for money can be used as criteria, also local benefit of
creating local employment can also be a criterion.
I have seen lots of tender documents but never one that contains that.
Heard lots of bitching though from NR and LUL that EU based companies
have to be given exactly the same opportunities as UK ones or the
awarding of the contract will be challenged.
Oh dear, haven't you?

http://local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/councillors-guide-procure-4b2.pdf

Perhaps you ask why this hasn't been followed?
Yellow
2017-04-17 21:23:51 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
No, value for money can be used as criteria, also local benefit of
creating local employment can also be a criterion.
I have seen lots of tender documents but never one that contains that.
Heard lots of bitching though from NR and LUL that EU based companies
have to be given exactly the same opportunities as UK ones or the
awarding of the contract will be challenged.
Oh dear, haven't you?
http://local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/councillors-guide-procure-4b2.pdf
Perhaps you ask why this hasn't been followed?
Where in that document am I supposed to be looking? I have scanned it
through but cannot see anything about it being legal to make local
employment an allowable criteria when judging tenders under EU law.

I did find this though...

Further, in local government,
as in the rest of the public
sector, procurement must
be carried out in compliance
with EU directives and UK
procurement regulations (the
?EU rules?) and other legal
requirements including those
relating to staff transfers.
Yellow
2017-04-15 13:23:20 UTC
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Post by Yellow
"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
That may be true for the business you are familiar with (which is?) but
is not the case for the railways.
Post by harry
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
Again, not true. The way it is done is to have a criteria list and
points are assigned to each - which of course will include cost but
there is no rule that says that has to be the dominant factor.

And if a company feels it has been treated unfairly, it can appeal, at
no cost to them - hence, most do if they fail to win the contract.
harry
2017-04-15 15:25:35 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
That may be true for the business you are familiar with (which is?) but
is not the case for the railways.
Post by harry
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
Again, not true. The way it is done is to have a criteria list and
points are assigned to each - which of course will include cost but
there is no rule that says that has to be the dominant factor.
And if a company feels it has been treated unfairly, it can appeal, at
no cost to them - hence, most do if they fail to win the contract.
It was for construction contracts in the NHS
Yellow
2017-04-15 16:40:44 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
That may be true for the business you are familiar with (which is?) but
is not the case for the railways.
Post by harry
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
Again, not true. The way it is done is to have a criteria list and
points are assigned to each - which of course will include cost but
there is no rule that says that has to be the dominant factor.
And if a company feels it has been treated unfairly, it can appeal, at
no cost to them - hence, most do if they fail to win the contract.
It was for construction contracts in the NHS
And the give work to contractors, contractors abroad, purely based on
the price?
harry
2017-04-20 06:53:23 UTC
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"Labour said that because EU rules meant certain public contracts
currently had to be opened to competition from elsewhere in Europe,
Brexit could "allow public bodies to use local pounds on local jobs and
businesses".
It said this would "therefore create scope for additional flexibility"
for public bodies to "require the use of local or regional suppliers
after Brexit", meaning cash could be directed "back into local
economies"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39588431
Contractors bidding for this sort of thing come from an "Approved Contractors List".
It's intended to keep cowboys out.
Any one can apply to be on the list but they are checked out first.
That may be true for the business you are familiar with (which is?) but
is not the case for the railways.
Post by harry
So, the lowest bidder has to be accepted.
Again, not true. The way it is done is to have a criteria list and
points are assigned to each - which of course will include cost but
there is no rule that says that has to be the dominant factor.
And if a company feels it has been treated unfairly, it can appeal, at
no cost to them - hence, most do if they fail to win the contract.
It was for construction contracts in the NHS
And the give work to contractors, contractors abroad, purely based on
the price?
Yes.
The quality of their work was vetted before they could get on the approved list.
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