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Are the police pursuing some kind of vendetta against Danmien Green?
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MM
2017-12-03 13:18:10 UTC
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From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
articles per week):

Extract:

"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green’s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.

"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl

It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.

Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.

MM
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2017-12-03 16:56:19 UTC
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From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green’s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
Its not a vendetta.

Snow flake Davis was doing a strip tease that was being
watched by Greenie I'm afraid, who was at the time master baiting to the
music in between sending emails.

It can't get better any further so Police have intervened
to save the snow flake pooliticians from themselves
who have no courage to admit their slimy past
and move on.
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2017-12-03 17:00:48 UTC
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From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green’s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file
-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
Its not a vendetta.
Snow flake Davis was doing a strip tease that was being
watched by Greenie I'm afraid, who was at the time master baiting to the
music in between sending emails.
Will I be able to sleep tonight now, with that image in my head?
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It can't get better any further so Police have intervened
to save the snow flake pooliticians from themselves
who have no courage to admit their slimy past
and move on.
James Harris
2017-12-03 16:58:28 UTC
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It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
It's disturbing that police can go rogue - even more so since it took
journalists a number of days before they started challenging the probity
of the claims.

We don't know what Green did or didn't do. And it doesn't bother me much
either way, to be honest as long as it was not criminal activity. We do,
however, know that two ex policemen took private info to the newspapers
rather than to the Commons authorities. Seems like people with
privileged information (which was obtained while they were under an oath
of public service) and a grudge trying to use the media to bring down a
cabinet minister. That's concerning.
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2017-12-03 17:05:26 UTC
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It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
It's disturbing that police can go rogue - even more so since it took
journalists a number of days before they started challenging the probity
of the claims.
We don't know what Green did or didn't do.
Yes we do...

As part of an investigation into alleged leaks from the Home Office, a junior
Home Office official was suspended over a series of items of sensitive
information and the matter was referred to the police.

Christopher Galley, who passed on information to Mr Green, was arrested on 19
November but released on bail without charge. The police said they had
arrested Mr Green on suspicion of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a
public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct
in a public office”.

When they questioned him, they are said to have suggested to him that he had
not "simply received leaked" information but had "groomed" a civil servant to
pass it to him. Neither Mr Galley nor Mr Green - who have both denied any
wrongdoing - will now face prosecution, the CPS has announced.
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And it doesn't bother me much
either way, to be honest as long as it was not criminal activity. We do,
however, know that two ex policemen took private info to the newspapers
rather than to the Commons authorities. Seems like people with
privileged information (which was obtained while they were under an oath
of public service) and a grudge trying to use the media to bring down a
cabinet minister. That's concerning.
James Harris
2017-12-03 17:09:56 UTC
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It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
It's disturbing that police can go rogue - even more so since it took
journalists a number of days before they started challenging the probity
of the claims.
We don't know what Green did or didn't do.
Yes we do...
As part of an investigation into alleged leaks from the Home Office, a junior
Home Office official was suspended over a series of items of sensitive
information and the matter was referred to the police.
Christopher Galley, who passed on information to Mr Green, was arrested on 19
November but released on bail without charge. The police said they had
arrested Mr Green on suspicion of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a
public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct
in a public office”.
When they questioned him, they are said to have suggested to him that he had
not "simply received leaked" information but had "groomed" a civil servant to
pass it to him. Neither Mr Galley nor Mr Green - who have both denied any
wrongdoing - will now face prosecution, the CPS has announced.
I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
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James Harris
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2017-12-03 17:55:36 UTC
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It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
It's disturbing that police can go rogue - even more so since it took
journalists a number of days before they started challenging the probity
of the claims.
We don't know what Green did or didn't do.
Yes we do...
As part of an investigation into alleged leaks from the Home Office, a junior
Home Office official was suspended over a series of items of sensitive
information and the matter was referred to the police.
Christopher Galley, who passed on information to Mr Green, was arrested on 19
November but released on bail without charge. The police said they had
arrested Mr Green on suspicion of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a
public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct
in a public office”.
When they questioned him, they are said to have suggested to him that he had
not "simply received leaked" information but had "groomed" a civil servant to
pass it to him. Neither Mr Galley nor Mr Green - who have both denied any
wrongdoing - will now face prosecution, the CPS has announced.
I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.

I would have been suspended immediately, while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.

I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.

Even if the images were not deemed illegal, and they kept me on; I would have
been moved to the least enjoyable and least satisfying job in a remote part
of the country, for my sins.

How do I know this? Because in the last 10 years before I retired, two of my
colleagues were found to have porn on their work computers, and this is
exactly what happened to them.

If these rules are acceptable for the minions of this world, then they ought
to be maintained throughout all sensitive work environments - and that
includes the HoC.
James Wilkinson Sword
2017-12-03 18:04:03 UTC
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The Peeler
2017-12-03 21:04:50 UTC
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If these rules are acceptable for the minions of this world, then they ought
to be maintained throughout all sensitive work environments - and that
includes the HoC.
I might agree with you on the viruses, but prudes need to lighten up about porn.
Of course, a WANKER like you would say that! <BG>
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magazines for anyone to use."
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2017-12-03 18:09:45 UTC
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It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
It's disturbing that police can go rogue - even more so since it took
journalists a number of days before they started challenging the probity
of the claims.
We don't know what Green did or didn't do.
Yes we do...
As part of an investigation into alleged leaks from the Home Office, a junior
Home Office official was suspended over a series of items of sensitive
information and the matter was referred to the police.
Christopher Galley, who passed on information to Mr Green, was arrested on 19
November but released on bail without charge. The police said they had
arrested Mr Green on suspicion of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a
public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct
in a public office”.
When they questioned him, they are said to have suggested to him that he had
not "simply received leaked" information but had "groomed" a civil servant to
pass it to him. Neither Mr Galley nor Mr Green - who have both denied any
wrongdoing - will now face prosecution, the CPS has announced.
I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
I would have been suspended immediately, while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
Even if the images were not deemed illegal, and they kept me on; I would have
been moved to the least enjoyable and least satisfying job in a remote part
of the country, for my sins.
How do I know this? Because in the last 10 years before I retired, two of my
colleagues were found to have porn on their work computers, and this is
exactly what happened to them.
If these rules are acceptable for the minions of this world, then they ought
to be maintained throughout all sensitive work environments - and that
includes the HoC.
but you're an employee...
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James Harris
2017-12-03 20:00:19 UTC
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.

Can you prove they are both wrong?
James Harris
2017-12-03 21:43:21 UTC
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Did they do so completely independently? Or did they discuss the
assertion with each other? Or did one say something and the other say "I
agree"?
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Can you prove they are both wrong?
If they are making an assertion the onus is on them. Since you are
citing them as sources can you prove they did not collude?
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Did they do so completely independently? Or did they discuss the
assertion with each other? Or did one say something and the other say "I
agree"?
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Can you prove they are both wrong?
If they are making an assertion the onus is on them. Since you are
citing them as sources can you prove they did not collude?
I’ll take that as a no, you can’t prove anything.

However, I have just realised the truth. It was the Russians wot did it. On
the personal instruction of Putin they have hacked into Tory computers and
downloaded thousands of pornographic images onto hard drives.

Not only that, but they have infiltrated parliament with a number of female
secret agents. So that when Tory MPs routinely attempt the "10% trick” (you
know how it goes, try it on with every woman and around 1 in 10 are likely to
like it) the Russian agent immediately goes public with a “he put his hand
on my knee/breasts at a cheese and wine reception” story.

Why didn’t we realise this before?

Socialists are to blame. These pure and innocent MPs are the victims of a
dirty Russian conspiracy to undermine our democracy.
James Harris
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Did they do so completely independently? Or did they discuss the
assertion with each other? Or did one say something and the other say "I
agree"?
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Can you prove they are both wrong?
If they are making an assertion the onus is on them. Since you are
citing them as sources can you prove they did not collude?
I’ll take that as a no, you can’t prove anything.
Eh? I can back up my assertions - e.g. that an ex police officer took
accusations to the media
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-we-found-porn-on-deputy-pm-damian-greens-computers-s7lkjpgcb

Where's the evidence to back up your assertions?
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Did they do so completely independently? Or did they discuss the
assertion with each other? Or did one say something and the other say "I
agree"?
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Can you prove they are both wrong?
If they are making an assertion the onus is on them. Since you are
citing them as sources can you prove they did not collude?
I’ll take that as a no, you can’t prove anything.
Eh? I can back up my assertions - e.g. that an ex police officer took
accusations to the media
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-we-found-porn-on-deputy-pm-dami
an-greens-computers-s7lkjpgcb
Where's the evidence to back up your assertions?
What are my assertions?

That police computer forensics found porn on a computer, maybe?

Well, you have provided the evidence for me in your own link.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Did they do so completely independently? Or did they discuss the
assertion with each other? Or did one say something and the other say "I
agree"?
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Can you prove they are both wrong?
If they are making an assertion the onus is on them. Since you are
citing them as sources can you prove they did not collude?
I’ll take that as a no, you can’t prove anything.
Eh? I can back up my assertions - e.g. that an ex police officer took
accusations to the media
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-we-found-porn-on-deputy-pm-dami
an-greens-computers-s7lkjpgcb
Where's the evidence to back up your assertions?
What are my assertions?
I think you said porn had been found on two of Green's computers.
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That police computer forensics found porn on a computer, maybe?
The "maybe" is new.
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Well, you have provided the evidence for me in your own link.
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2017-12-04 00:24:54 UTC
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Can you prove they are both wrong?
Can you prove that it is correct?

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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
*Two* policemen have said the same thing.
Can you prove they are both wrong?
Can YOU prove that Green downloaded and/or looked at the thumbnails?

If so, HOW do you obtain that proof?

This is a witch-hunt pure and simple, and I seem to recall that Bob
Quick was forced to resign for carelessly allowing sensitive notes to
be photographed:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/09/bob-quick-terror-raids-leak

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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
James Harris
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.

Who knows? And that the issue.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.

Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.
Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
said he had seen?
Post by James Harris
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.
Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.
On the news, they are talking about prosecuting the coppers - as they
should.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.
Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.
On the news, they are talking about prosecuting the coppers - as they
should.

==

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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.
Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.
On the news, they are talking about prosecuting the coppers - as they
should.
On the news the Commissioner of the Met' is talking about prosecuting them for breach of the DPA / confidentiality - implicitly confirming that she thinks ex officers are telling the truth and disclosed confidential information rather than grossly exaggerating or even downright lying about what had been accessed when, how and by whom...

The reason why Mitchel is weighing in on his side is of course that the Met' bull****ed about a confrontation between him and officers on Downing Street and then plod got caught out lying about a meeting with their federation...
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On the news the Commissioner of the Met' is talking about prosecuting
them for breach of the DPA / confidentiality - implicitly confirming
that she thinks ex officers are telling the truth and disclosed
confidential information rather than grossly exaggerating or even
downright lying about what had been accessed when, how and by whom...
I have a feeling that it won't matter whether it is the truth or not. It
will be carrying out the leak that is the important thing. It's not
something you want others to copy.

If it is an offence to leak confidential information that is known to be
true, then it's almost certainly an offence to leak information that is
THOUGHT to be true - but isn't. It's therefore probably also an offence
to leak 'information' that is known to be untrue. If that were the case,
it would be a defence to say that "I knew it was a load of lies, but I
did it as a joke". Somehow, I can't see a judge accepting that as an
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
I would call thumbnails "images" but you make a very good point that the
original pictures were not found even by forensic specialists.
Thumbnails are usually cached by the operating system so that it doesn't
have to regenerate then when a folder is browsed as pictures. So /if/
pictures ever existed then someone deleted them before the police seized
the machines. One could imagine a staffer working late, viewing things
he should not have and then deleting them before he left.
Or someone could simply have opened a web page up that had embedded porn
images - like PirateBay for example.
Yes, at least if someone had browsed the folder in which the images were
stored.

Per one report, despicable (my term) ex cop Bob Quick admitted that he
couldn't prove that Green had been the person viewing the alleged images.
Post by Yellow
Who knows? And that the issue.
Indeed. The one thing we do actually know is that an ex cop made an
allegation out of the blue based on privileged info that he had seen
years before when he was a public servant - and he took it to the media
in what seems to be an attempt to bring down a Cabinet minister whom he
did not like.

James Harris

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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
Thumbnail images can also be injected into the system with an infected
email.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
Yeah right.

And where do you get the thumbnails from, without visiting the site?

I would suggest that the internet ignorants refrain from commenting on
something they know nothing about.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
Yeah right.
And where do you get the thumbnails from, without visiting the site?
I would suggest that the internet ignorants refrain from commenting on
something they know nothing about.
I agree - that is good advice and you should take it.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
Yeah right.

And where do you get the thumbnails from, without visiting the site?

I would suggest that the internet ignorants refrain from commenting on
something they know nothing about.

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I would suggest you read 'phi's' post.
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I was saying we don't know whether he looked at pornographic images or
not - which is, of course!, true. But even what you say never went to
court and was not proven. In the eyes of the law he is innocent of both
charges.
Pornographic images were found on his work computer.
That is unknown. All we know is that an ex policeman claimed to have
seen pornographic images. We do NOT know whether they ever existed.
They actually have claimed to have found thumbnails. Not trying to be
picky, but that is a bit different to finding downloaded pictures or
videos - especially if they forensically examined the hard drive.
Yeah right.
And where do you get the thumbnails from, without visiting the site?
I would suggest that the internet ignorants refrain from commenting on
something they know nothing about.
==
I would suggest you read 'phi's' post.
The police mentioned “thousands” of images. That is a lot of pages to go
to with unknown embedded porn thumbnails included.

But hey, let’s not allow a flimsy attempt at an excuse be questioned in the
search for a logical answer.
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
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I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......

“Emergency services, which service do you require?”

“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15 minutes because I
need to watch a bit of porn and have a quick wank before carrying on with my
job. Presumably you have no problem with that, sir?”

“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA, the officers may
need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at porn on their official computers
before they take any further action”.

Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public services?

Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick wank in the middle
of your triple bypass operation, that is of course if you survived that long
when the ambulance crew had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you
to hospital in the first place.
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You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
Since MPs are not an emergency service, the rest of your post can be
dismissed as worthless. And your "finally ditched" moniker is looking
more and more prescient.
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You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
Since MPs are not an emergency service,
What does that matter?

Are you saying that the emergency services are far more important than MPs?

In that case, I think you must agree that their staff should be paid more
than MPs.
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the rest of your post can be
dismissed as worthless.
Only if you need a pathetic excuse not to answer it, which is probably
because you are in dire need to ‘waste a little time’ .

But nice try at a dodge, anyway. Now, be a good boy and go back to your porn.
Post by Handsome Jack
And your "finally ditched" moniker is looking
more and more prescient.
I know. Irritating, isn’t it?
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15 minutes because I
need to watch a bit of porn and have a quick wank before carrying on with my
job. Presumably you have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA, the officers may
need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at porn on their official computers
before they take any further action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick wank in the middle
of your triple bypass operation, that is of course if you survived that long
when the ambulance crew had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you
to hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any allowance for
shifts) of a UK MP?
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-13 09:57:32 UTC
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Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Ian Jackson
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Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15 minutes because I
need to watch a bit of porn and have a quick wank before carrying on with my
job. Presumably you have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA, the officers may
need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at porn on their official computers
before they take any further action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick wank in the middle
of your triple bypass operation, that is of course if you survived that long
when the ambulance crew had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you
to hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any allowance for
shifts) of a UK MP?
There aren't any. Many of them work very long hours. None of the duties are actually compulsory, but a typical MP will: -

Attend sittings and vote in the chamber.
Attend select committees.
Study bills and statutory instruments.
Raise questions to ministers.
Hold advice bureaus for constituents.
Deal with constituents' casework.
Various party activities.
Travel to / from their constituency.
JNugent
2017-12-13 12:16:14 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British Standard 7.5 hour
a day. Who are we to have the audacity to accuse them of occasionally
'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than minimal
intelligence begins to translate it into the world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15 minutes because I
need to watch a bit of porn and have a quick wank before carrying on with my
job. Presumably you have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA, the officers may
need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at porn on their official computers
before they take any further action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick wank in the middle
of your triple bypass operation, that is of course if you survived that long
when the ambulance crew had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you
to hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any allowance for
shifts) of a UK MP?
There aren't any. Many of them work very long hours. None of the duties are actually compulsory, but a typical MP will: -
Attend sittings and vote in the chamber.
Attend select committees.
Study bills and statutory instruments.
Raise questions to ministers.
Hold advice bureaus for constituents.
Deal with constituents' casework.
Various party activities.
Travel to / from their constituency.
Quite so.

All of the PP's attempts at comparisons with other jobs are therefore
pointless.
pamela
2017-12-15 10:57:22 UTC
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Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by JNugent
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I
don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic
images had been found on my work computer, I know exactly
the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until
corrupt police officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by
management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads
were forbidden without express permission by the head of
department. This was not only because they were not paying
their employees to look at womens’ private parts; but
the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on
porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management
care about the "seriousness" of the porn, if all that
mattered to them was whether their employees were wasting
their time, and the risk of virus infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British
Standard 7.5 hour a day. Who are we to have the audacity to
accuse them of occasionally 'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than
minimal intelligence begins to translate it into the world
outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15
minutes because I need to watch a bit of porn and have a
quick wank before carrying on with my job. Presumably you
have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA,
the officers may need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at
porn on their official computers before they take any further
action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public
services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick
wank in the middle of your triple bypass operation, that is
of course if you survived that long when the ambulance crew
had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you to
hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any
allowance for shifts) of a UK MP?
There aren't any. Many of them work very long hours. None of
the duties are actually compulsory, but a typical MP will: -
Attend sittings and vote in the chamber.
Attend select committees.
Study bills and statutory instruments.
Raise questions to ministers.
Hold advice bureaus for constituents.
Deal with constituents' casework.
Various party activities.
Travel to / from their constituency.
Quite so.
All of the PP's attempts at comparisons with other jobs are
therefore pointless.
Sounds very much like a councillors job. Also like the job of
elected represtentives in other areas such as trade unions,
professional bodies, trade associations, charities, etc.
JNugent
2017-12-16 12:24:34 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by JNugent
Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I
don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic
images had been found on my work computer, I know exactly
the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until
corrupt police officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by
management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads
were forbidden without express permission by the head of
department. This was not only because they were not paying
their employees to look at womens’ private parts; but
the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on
porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management
care about the "seriousness" of the porn, if all that
mattered to them was whether their employees were wasting
their time, and the risk of virus infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British
Standard 7.5 hour a day. Who are we to have the audacity to
accuse them of occasionally 'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more than
minimal intelligence begins to translate it into the world
outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about 15
minutes because I need to watch a bit of porn and have a
quick wank before carrying on with my job. Presumably you
have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your RTA,
the officers may need to ‘waste a little time’ looking at
porn on their official computers before they take any further
action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public
services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick
wank in the middle of your triple bypass operation, that is
of course if you survived that long when the ambulance crew
had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting you to
hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any
allowance for shifts) of a UK MP?
There aren't any. Many of them work very long hours. None of
the duties are actually compulsory, but a typical MP will: -
Attend sittings and vote in the chamber.
Attend select committees.
Study bills and statutory instruments.
Raise questions to ministers.
Hold advice bureaus for constituents.
Deal with constituents' casework.
Various party activities.
Travel to / from their constituency.
Quite so.
All of the PP's attempts at comparisons with other jobs are
therefore pointless.
Sounds very much like a councillors job. Also like the job of
elected represtentives in other areas such as trade unions,
professional bodies, trade associations, charities, etc.
I'd say it's more demanding than a councillor's duties, by quite a
margin (and better paid, on the whole).
pamela
2017-12-16 14:41:18 UTC
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Post by pamela
Post by JNugent
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by JNugent
Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now
I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if
pornographic images had been found on my work computer,
I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until
corrupt police officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by
management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external
downloads were forbidden without express permission by
the head of department. This was not only because they
were not paying their employees to look at
womens’ private parts; but the chances of
importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management
care about the "seriousness" of the porn, if all that
mattered to them was whether their employees were wasting
their time, and the risk of virus infections?
Many MPs put in a hell of a lot more than the British
Standard 7.5 hour a day. Who are we to have the audacity
to accuse them of occasionally 'wasting' a little time?
This is an interesting argument; until anyone with more
than minimal intelligence begins to translate it into the
world outside Westminster......
“Emergency services, which service do you
require?”
“Police? Ok, I will be putting you through in about
15 minutes because I need to watch a bit of porn and have a
quick wank before carrying on with my job. Presumably you
have no problem with that, sir?”
“Oh and please be aware that prior to attending your
RTA, the officers may need to ‘waste a little
time’ looking at porn on their official computers
before they take any further action”.
Or is it one rule for MPs and another for the pleb public
services?
Just imagine the hospital consultant stopping for a quick
wank in the middle of your triple bypass operation, that is
of course if you survived that long when the ambulance crew
had to ‘waste a little time’ before getting
you to hospital in the first place.
What are the official working hours (with or without any
allowance for shifts) of a UK MP?
There aren't any. Many of them work very long hours. None
-
Attend sittings and vote in the chamber.
Attend select committees.
Study bills and statutory instruments.
Raise questions to ministers.
Hold advice bureaus for constituents.
Deal with constituents' casework.
Various party activities.
Travel to / from their constituency.
Quite so.
All of the PP's attempts at comparisons with other jobs are
therefore pointless.
Sounds very much like a councillors job. Also like the job of
elected represtentives in other areas such as trade unions,
professional bodies, trade associations, charities, etc.
I'd say it's more demanding than a councillor's duties, by quite
a margin (and better paid, on the whole).
While that may be true, the duties you cited are similar to those
jobs I mentioned.

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2017-12-05 08:51:24 UTC
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Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Yes they would, and they were in the two cases that I know of.
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
You would have to ask management that.
Handsome Jack
2017-12-05 10:12:54 UTC
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Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Yes they would, and they were in the two cases that I know of.
I don't believe you. Convince me by telling us what happened then. What
was the alleged offence? What was the outcome?
Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
You would have to ask management that.
I'm asking you, since *your* account of their behaviour contradicts
*your* explanation of what their motives were.
--
Jack
finally ditched mimo
2017-12-05 10:50:44 UTC
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Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Pornographic images were found on his work computer. Now I don’t know where
you work(ed) and what rules they had; but if pornographic images had been
found on my work computer, I know exactly the instant reaction of management.
Nobody would have looked. Nobody looked at Green's until corrupt police
officers got involved.
Post by finally ditched mimo
I would have been suspended immediately,
But would the police have been involved? No.
Yes they would, and they were in the two cases that I know of.
I don't believe you.
I doubt you believe anyone who knows more about a subject than you think you
do.
Post by Handsome Jack
Convince me by telling us what happened then. What
was the alleged offence? What was the outcome?
That would be very difficult for me to do, because the precise details were
not divulged and I did not know these people very well. I believe that one
case reached court, but the powers that be hushed everything up; and of
course with the accused suspended from work, there was no chance of getting
their side of the story.

What happened with the other person, I have no idea; but I never saw them
again where I worked.

To illustrate just how restrictive the rules were, one of my mates got hauled
over the coals by the boss just because he had visited his football club’s
website on a quiet night shift. I only know this because he told me.

Fortunately, he was let off with slapped wrists, and remained in his (then)
current job.
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
Post by Handsome Jack
Post by finally ditched mimo
while the seriousness of the porn
was analysed (and you can make jokes if you like) by management.
I would be facing the sack, because all external downloads were forbidden
without express permission by the head of department. This was not only
because they were not paying their employees to look at womens’ private
parts; but the chances of importing viruses were vastly higher on porn sites
than on many others.
You're contradicting yourself here. Why would management care about the
"seriousness" of the porn, if all that mattered to them was whether
their employees were wasting their time, and the risk of virus
infections?
You would have to ask management that.
I'm asking you, since *your* account of their behaviour contradicts
*your* explanation of what their motives were.
The seriousness of the porn is subjective. My idea of hard porn is probably
somewhat different to that of a happy-clappy born again Christian line
manager.
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-03 17:51:07 UTC
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Post by MM
From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green’s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
MM
The Met' are notoriously bad.

There was no way a warrant to turn over an MP's office in Parliament should ever have been issued unless it was for really serious crime (murder, terrorism etc.).

The Met' got a bloody nose as Green sought injunctions and / or the Sergeant at Arms to stop them. Probably the promotion prospects of the senior officers involved were hindered rather than helped and they would bear a grudge against Green as a result.

The claim is thousands of porno "thumbnails", although how would you know on thumbnail. In any event hundreds of porno thumbnails is what you would have got nine years ago if you did an image search for "Teresa May".

Of course men looking at porn is a bit like drivers speeding - 98% will admit it and the other 2% are lying...

OTOH it would be a very stupid employee or elected official who surfed porn on their 'work' computer.
Phi
2017-12-03 18:16:07 UTC
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Post by MM
From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green�s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
MM
Do the Police sign The Official Secrets Act ?
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-03 19:16:14 UTC
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Post by MM
From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green�s
computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
MM
Do the Police sign The Official Secrets Act ?
Can't say it's an official secret...

One is normally asked to sign when are likely to get access to some, although as I understand it this is not required for "restricted" material. Police statements say on them that they are restricted when complete.
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2017-12-03 19:49:20 UTC
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Post by MM
From The Sunday Times (paywall, but I have free access to two
"A secret file containing details of the pornography on Damian Green0 >> > computer was preserved by police despite a command from senior
officers that the data should be deleted.
"The disclosure raises the prospect of decisive evidence coming to
light -- and is likely to further widen divisions between police and
MPs. Senior Downing Street aides are now understood to want Green to
resign, rather than forcing Theresa May to decide whether to sack or
clear him."
Post by MM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/police-kept-secret-copy-of-porn-file-on-damian-green-hl5x9gfhl
It's astonishing that senior police officers told their minions to
delete this file, but they didn't.
Late last week David Davis told Theresa May not to sack Green. Rumour
has it that Davis threatened to resign if Green was sacked. But
perhaps Davis is just seeking a way out of the Brexit farrago.
MM
Do the Police sign The Official Secrets Act ?
Can't say it's an official secret...
One is normally asked to sign when are likely to get access to some,
although as I understand it this is not required for "restricted"
material. Police statements say on them that they are restricted when
complete.
My mother worked as a clerk / secretary for the Forestry Commission -
which came under The Crown. Her 'office' was actually in one of the
forests. I recall that when she started, she had to sign the OSA
(presumably in case she felt like telling an enemy how much wood we were
producing). Even if they hadn't actually signed it, I'd be surprised of
the two PCs hadn't broken the OSA.
--
Ian
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