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R. Mark Clayton
2018-01-10 11:25:56 UTC
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drip

http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012

drip

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html

drip

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/

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http://www.cityam.com/278463/rising-inflation-pressures-highest-since-2009-say-british

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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007

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still the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence: -

http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/09/news/economy/europe-economy-upswing/index.html
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4136456-2018-another-knockout-year-emerging-europe
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eurozone-unemployment-falls-to-9-year-low-as-recovery-strengthens-125449


no doubt some Brextremist will soon be along to say that actually the opposite is true and it will all be sweetness and light - some day...
BurfordTJustice
2018-01-10 12:25:04 UTC
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So when will you be moving to the EU main land to
live out your life in complete joy and happiness??


Where will you be moving to??




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http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/09/news/economy/europe-economy-upswing/index.html
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https://seekingalpha.com/article/4136456-2018-another-knockout-year-emerging-europe
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http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eurozone-unemployment-falls-to-9-year-low-as-recovery-strengthens-125449
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: no doubt some Brextremist will soon be along to say that actually the
opposite is true and it will all be sweetness and light - some day...
Handsome Jack
2018-01-10 13:33:40 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-elle
smere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
drip
http://www.cityam.com/278463/rising-inflation-pressures-highest-since-20
09-say-british
drip
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for
-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
drip
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/07/brexit-why-buyers-remors
e-hasnt-hit-the-uk-economy

"Remainers have latched on to any piece of negative economic news – no
matter how trivial – in the hope that this will lead to change of
heart among leave voters. But they have struggled to sketch out a plan
for dealing with Britain’s structural economic problems, which were
there before 23 June 2016 and will still be there whether or not the
referendum result is overturned. Constantly accentuating the negative
without coming up with any solutions to Britain’s chronic balance of
payments deficit, its north-south divide and its reliance on
debt-fuelled growth has helped create the impression that some remainers
would welcome a stiff recession because it would bring voters to their
senses. Remainers do themselves no favours when they over-hype the bad
economic news."
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still the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence: -
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/09/news/economy/europe-economy-upswing/index.html
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4136456-2018-another-knockout-year-emer
ging-europe
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/eurozone-unemployment-falls-to-9-year-l
ow-as-recovery-strengthens-125449
no doubt some Brextremist will soon be along to say that actually the
opposite is true and it will all be sweetness and light - some day...
More likely to say that blaming poor Christmas retail sales on a Brexit
that hasn't happened yet is Remainer idiocy. You may have more degrees
than we have, but you haven't got enough sense to come in out of the
rain.
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James Harris
2018-01-10 19:31:41 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
Why is that due to Brexit?

In addition, didn't the manufacturing figures released at the same time
show the biggest jump (up) in growth for ten years? That WAS partly down
to the Brexit vote helping the pound to normalise.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
And yet other carmakers are booming. E.g. SALES at luxury car
manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover roared to an all-time high over the past
year.
https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/jaguar-land-rover-announces-record-sales/
So what's wrong with PSA and why do you blame Brexit?
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drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
You believe you can derive meaningful findings from just one month? Or
is one month a straw to clutch at?

BTW, high-street non-food sales are down but online sales are up.
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278463/rising-inflation-pressures-highest-since-2009-say-british
Is a forecast, not data.
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drip
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
Is a forecast, not data.
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drip
Indeed.
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R. Mark Clayton
2018-01-10 21:27:32 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
Why is that due to Brexit?
Lack of confidence in the sector.
Post by James Harris
In addition, didn't the manufacturing figures released at the same time
show the biggest jump (up) in growth for ten years? That WAS partly down
to the Brexit vote helping the pound to normalise.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
And yet other carmakers are booming. E.g. SALES at luxury car
manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover roared to an all-time high over the past
year.
Althoguh production and sales have slowed overall.
Post by James Harris
https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/jaguar-land-rover-announces-record-sales/
So what's wrong with PSA and why do you blame Brexit?
Why do you think they are slowing production in the UK rather than EU?
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drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
You believe you can derive meaningful findings from just one month? Or
is one month a straw to clutch at?
Year on year.
Post by James Harris
BTW, high-street non-food sales are down but online sales are up.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.cityam.com/278463/rising-inflation-pressures-highest-since-2009-say-british
Is a forecast, not data.
That is what they see now, not what they are expecting.
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drip
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
Is a forecast, not data.
True. Depressing though.
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Indeed.
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James Harris
2018-01-10 22:43:48 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
Why is that due to Brexit?
Lack of confidence in the sector.
If you mean uncertainty I would agree. But what do you think is causing
the uncertainty? It's not just Brexit.

And remember that the Brexit component of the uncertainty will go away
when Brexit finally takes effect. What we are looking at now is the
uncertainty of the separation process.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Post by James Harris
In addition, didn't the manufacturing figures released at the same time
show the biggest jump (up) in growth for ten years? That WAS partly down
to the Brexit vote helping the pound to normalise.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
And yet other carmakers are booming. E.g. SALES at luxury car
manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover roared to an all-time high over the past
year.
Althoguh production and sales have slowed overall.
Post by James Harris
https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/jaguar-land-rover-announces-record-sales/
So what's wrong with PSA and why do you blame Brexit?
Why do you think they are slowing production in the UK rather than EU?
I wouldn't want to guess. Presumably you can find some analysis of why
they are slowing whereas some of their peers are accelerating.
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drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
You believe you can derive meaningful findings from just one month? Or
is one month a straw to clutch at?
Year on year.
Yes, but still just for December. And note what they say:

Grocery and food retailers have enjoyed a bumper Christmas trading season

And note this, too:

On a total basis, sales rose 1.4 per cent last month, against a growth
of 1.7 per cent in December 2016.

In other words, a 0.3% drop ... but not really a drop, a 1.4% rise.
Stats can be used to say almost anything.
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BTW, high-street non-food sales are down but online sales are up.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.cityam.com/278463/rising-inflation-pressures-highest-since-2009-say-british
Is a forecast, not data.
That is what they see now, not what they are expecting.
The pressures, yes. Some of the drop of the pound is still feeding
through - which I expect is the only component you are thinking about.
But there are other components such as that a barrel of oil has gone up
from $42 to $63 since the summer. And fuel affects the price of almost
everything.
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drip
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
Is a forecast, not data.
True. Depressing though.
Don't be too depressed. We had these forecasts for 2017: IMF (1.1%),
Barclays (0.7%), Goldman (1.4%), NIESR (1.4%), OBR (1.4%), OECD (1.2%),
RBS (1%).

The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4 pick
up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them were too
pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
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R. Mark Clayton
2018-01-11 10:59:01 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
Why is that due to Brexit?
Lack of confidence in the sector.
If you mean uncertainty I would agree. But what do you think is causing
the uncertainty? It's not just Brexit.
True - unstable government as well.
Post by James Harris
And remember that the Brexit component of the uncertainty will go away
when Brexit finally takes effect. What we are looking at now is the
uncertainty of the separation process.
Indeed - once we get to the increasingly likely hard Brexit the damage will be permanent.
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Post by James Harris
In addition, didn't the manufacturing figures released at the same time
show the biggest jump (up) in growth for ten years? That WAS partly down
to the Brexit vote helping the pound to normalise.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
And yet other carmakers are booming. E.g. SALES at luxury car
manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover roared to an all-time high over the past
year.
Althoguh production and sales have slowed overall.
Post by James Harris
https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/jaguar-land-rover-announces-record-sales/
So what's wrong with PSA and why do you blame Brexit?
Why do you think they are slowing production in the UK rather than EU?
I wouldn't want to guess. Presumably you can find some analysis of why
they are slowing whereas some of their peers are accelerating.
Overall UK production and sales are well down. Cars with a high labour content (e.g. Bentley) will benefit from the low pound as in real terms their workers have had a pay cut.

Firms with factories in the EU, like PSA, will be strategically shifting production for the EU market out of the UK.
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drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
You believe you can derive meaningful findings from just one month? Or
is one month a straw to clutch at?
Year on year.
Grocery and food retailers have enjoyed a bumper Christmas trading season
Very widely reported as being due to higher [imported] food prices due to the weak pound post EU vote as in

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/28/uk-cheapest-christmas-dinner-costs-18-percent-more-inflation-brexit-pound-supermarket-lidl
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On a total basis, sales rose 1.4 per cent last month, against a growth
of 1.7 per cent in December 2016.
In other words, a 0.3% drop ... but not really a drop, a 1.4% rise.
With inflation over 3% that is a 1.6% drop in real terms.

The EU was up 2.6% and their inflation is lower.
Post by James Harris
Stats can be used to say almost anything.
SNIP
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
Is a forecast, not data.
True. Depressing though.
Don't be too depressed. We had these forecasts for 2017: IMF (1.1%),
Barclays (0.7%), Goldman (1.4%), NIESR (1.4%), OBR (1.4%), OECD (1.2%),
RBS (1%).
The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4 pick
up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them were too
pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
Also lower than projections for the EU.

Brextremists won't even admit reality that since being the best performing EU economy before the vote, the UK is now the worst, less still that things will deteriorate more as Brexit bites.
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2018-01-11 13:18:51 UTC
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drip
http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
Why is that due to Brexit?
Lack of confidence in the sector.
If you mean uncertainty I would agree. But what do you think is causing
the uncertainty? It's not just Brexit.
True - unstable government as well.
One more: the credible threat of a socialist government.
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Post by James Harris
And remember that the Brexit component of the uncertainty will go away
when Brexit finally takes effect. What we are looking at now is the
uncertainty of the separation process.
Indeed - once we get to the increasingly likely hard Brexit the damage will be permanent.
There will be some damage and some opportunities. I would hope you can
see that. The only question is as to how well the government manages them.
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In addition, didn't the manufacturing figures released at the same time
show the biggest jump (up) in growth for ten years? That WAS partly down
to the Brexit vote helping the pound to normalise.
Post by R. Mark Clayton
drip
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/vauxhall-job-losses-ellesmere-port-factory-car-maker-manufacturer-psa-a8148266.html
And yet other carmakers are booming. E.g. SALES at luxury car
manufacturer Jaguar Land Rover roared to an all-time high over the past
year.
Althoguh production and sales have slowed overall.
Post by James Harris
https://coventryobserver.co.uk/news/jaguar-land-rover-announces-record-sales/
So what's wrong with PSA and why do you blame Brexit?
Why do you think they are slowing production in the UK rather than EU?
I wouldn't want to guess. Presumably you can find some analysis of why
they are slowing whereas some of their peers are accelerating.
Overall UK production and sales are well down. Cars with a high labour content (e.g. Bentley) will benefit from the low pound as in real terms their workers have had a pay cut.
Firms with factories in the EU, like PSA, will be strategically shifting production for the EU market out of the UK.
I've not seen any data to confirm but your explanation is plausible.
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drip
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2018/01/lacklustre-december-retail-sales/
You believe you can derive meaningful findings from just one month? Or
is one month a straw to clutch at?
Year on year.
Grocery and food retailers have enjoyed a bumper Christmas trading season
Very widely reported as being due to higher [imported] food prices due to the weak pound post EU vote as in
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/nov/28/uk-cheapest-christmas-dinner-costs-18-percent-more-inflation-brexit-pound-supermarket-lidl
Post by James Harris
On a total basis, sales rose 1.4 per cent last month, against a growth
of 1.7 per cent in December 2016.
In other words, a 0.3% drop ... but not really a drop, a 1.4% rise.
With inflation over 3% that is a 1.6% drop in real terms.
The EU was up 2.6% and their inflation is lower.
Fine. Their situation is more stable and they have more ground to make up.
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Post by James Harris
Stats can be used to say almost anything.
SNIP
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https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-economy-bcc/uk-economy-set-for-underwhelming-2018-says-british-chambers-of-commerce-idUKKBN1EZ007
Is a forecast, not data.
True. Depressing though.
Don't be too depressed. We had these forecasts for 2017: IMF (1.1%),
Barclays (0.7%), Goldman (1.4%), NIESR (1.4%), OBR (1.4%), OECD (1.2%),
RBS (1%).
The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4 pick
up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them were too
pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
Also lower than projections for the EU.
Brextremists won't even admit reality that since being the best performing EU economy before the vote, the UK is now the worst, less still that things will deteriorate more as Brexit bites.
It is _much_ too soon to see the effects of Brexit itself. Personally, I
expected the transition to Brexit to be quite bad. What we are seeing
now is better than expected. And as long as the government manages
things sensibly the current economic situation bodes well for the
future. I'd suggest you judge Brexit itself from about five years after
it kicks in. Even the pessimists predicted we would grow strongly
outside the EU.
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2018-01-11 16:00:47 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4
pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them
were too pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know.
They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease, everyone.

Meanwhile back in the real world ....
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2018-01-11 16:33:43 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4
pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them
were too pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know.
They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease, everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have not
asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments as made?
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Meanwhile back in the real world ....
Indeed!
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2018-01-11 19:28:38 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4
pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them
were too pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know.
They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease, everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have not
asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments as made?
You had said earlier "You believe you can derive meaningful findings
from just one month? Or is one month a straw to clutch at?". Then
after Mark had replied you posted some feeble economic figures saying
"And note this, too".

Those weak figures are very far from proving we can all rest. In
fact they prove very little.
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2018-01-11 21:20:13 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the recent Q4
pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right and ALL of them
were too pessimistic. Expect the same for 2018. They don't know.
They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease, everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have not
asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments as made?
You had said earlier "You believe you can derive meaningful findings
from just one month? Or is one month a straw to clutch at?". Then
after Mark had replied you posted some feeble economic figures saying
"And note this, too".
Those weak figures are very far from proving we can all rest. In
fact they prove very little.
And when did I say or even imply that "nothing bad could possibly
happen", as you claimed?
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2018-01-11 22:13:36 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the
recent Q4 pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right
and ALL of them were too pessimistic. Expect the same for
2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease,
everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have
not asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments as
made?
You had said earlier "You believe you can derive meaningful
findings from just one month? Or is one month a straw to clutch
at?". Then after Mark had replied you posted some feeble
economic figures saying "And note this, too".
Those weak figures are very far from proving we can all rest.
In fact they prove very little.
And when did I say or even imply that "nothing bad could
possibly happen", as you claimed?
You quoted the figures with an insouciance suggesting it was not
necessary to cosnider anything bad may happen. I could tell it
from your touch on the keyboard!
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James Harris
2018-01-11 22:23:36 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the
recent Q4 pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right
and ALL of them were too pessimistic. Expect the same for
2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease,
everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have
not asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments as
made?
You had said earlier "You believe you can derive meaningful
findings from just one month? Or is one month a straw to clutch
at?". Then after Mark had replied you posted some feeble
economic figures saying "And note this, too".
Those weak figures are very far from proving we can all rest.
In fact they prove very little.
And when did I say or even imply that "nothing bad could
possibly happen", as you claimed?
You quoted the figures with an insouciance suggesting it was not
necessary to cosnider anything bad may happen. I could tell it
from your touch on the keyboard!
Respect for your sense of humour. :-)

In fact, it occurred to me why we talk from different points of view. I
go by details - and you have accused me of being very literal. Guilty as
charged! You, though, take approximations of what was said and argue
against them. That is, surely, always going to leave you contesting with
chimeras - such as the touch on the keyboard - or straw men - such as an
argument your interlocutor has not used.

(Sorry that's one sided. If you feel insulted feel free to insult me
back. Take a free shot.)
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2018-01-11 22:26:09 UTC
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The latest projection is 1.7%. And that was before the
recent Q4 pick up. In other words, NONE of them were right
and ALL of them were too pessimistic. Expect the same for
2018. They don't know. They are guessing.
So nothing bad could possibly happen. Phew! At ease,
everyone.
Why do Remoaners like to attack positions that Leavers have
not asserted? Is it because they cannot face the arguments
as made?
You had said earlier "You believe you can derive meaningful
findings from just one month? Or is one month a straw to
clutch at?". Then after Mark had replied you posted some
feeble economic figures saying "And note this, too".
Those weak figures are very far from proving we can all rest.
In fact they prove very little.
And when did I say or even imply that "nothing bad could
possibly happen", as you claimed?
You quoted the figures with an insouciance suggesting it was
not necessary to cosnider anything bad may happen. I could
tell it from your touch on the keyboard!
Respect for your sense of humour. :-)
In fact, it occurred to me why we talk from different points of
view. I go by details - and you have accused me of being very
literal. Guilty as charged! You, though, take approximations of
what was said and argue against them. That is, surely, always
going to leave you contesting with chimeras - such as the touch
on the keyboard - or straw men - such as an argument your
interlocutor has not used.
(Sorry that's one sided. If you feel insulted feel free to
insult me back. Take a free shot.)
I insult you much of the time. There's no need for a special
occassion. :)
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Fredxx
2018-01-11 01:41:35 UTC
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http://www.cityam.com/278528/uk-construction-output-just-fell-most-since-2012
This is perhaps the major reason for Brexit, where governments' promises
of housebuilding are pure hot air, leading to a housing shortage from EU
immigration.
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