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Paedophile (not) fails to overturn ban
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Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 20:15:54 UTC
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Paedophile fails to overturn ban

7:10am Saturday 11th October 2008

A FORMER teacher who was jailed abroad for sex offences against boys
has failed to overturn a court order banning him from associating with
children.

Andrew Sadler’s career ended in 1995 when a member of staff at
Abberley Hall school alleged he had engaged in “improper acts” abroad.

Five years later Sadler, aged 59, of Britannia Square, Barbourne,
Worcester, was convicted by a court in Bucharest, Romania, of having
sex with a 14-year-old boy and engaging in an obscene act in the
presence of a juvenile.

Worcester Crown Court heard he spent 16 months in jail before being
deported back to Britain on medical grounds.

But he breached an interim court order not to have children under 18
at his home and was given a full Sexual Offences Prevention Order by
city magistrates on November 9, 2007, said David Swinnerton,
prosecuting. Sadler, maintained the order was unjust and he was only
“helping” a vulnerable 15-year-old boy who visited him.

Quashing his appeal, Judge Andrew Geddes said yesterday Sadler was “an
unsatisfactory and incredible witness”.

He added: “It is highly probable the boy was at his home to be groomed
for sexual ventures. It is a very similar situation to the one in
Romania.”

The SOPO, imposed to prevent serious sexual harm to children in the
future, prevents youngsters under 18 entering Sadler’s home and bans
him from working with children under 16.

Sadler’s sex abuse in Romania entailed five days in a rented flat with
two boys.

He later employed an 18-year-old youth as a gardener who bought along
the 15-year-old boy.

The youth smoked cannabis at Sadler’s house and both drank beer and
stayed overnight.

Twice Sadler was arrested by police for suspected child abduction,
said Mr Swinnerton.

Other investigations centred on sexually activity with a child and
allowing his home to be used for drug taking.

But Sadler breached an interim SOPO by allowing the 15-year-old to
enter his home again.

Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.

Sadler, now working as a part-time tour guide in Europe, insisted his
Romanian convictions were “a sham”.

He met the 18-year-old by chance and employed him to work in his
garden at £5 an hour.

He said the 15-year-old had problems with his parents and he found him
a new home with a friend.

Sadler said: “I have never gone near a child in my life. I’m not a
paedophile and think the whole subject is abhorrent. I was helping the
boy purely out of compassion.”

Tom Challinor, defending, alleged evidence at the court in Romania was
“tainted”.

“He is a man who has time for youngsters but it is just as likely that
he is being targeted himself.”

He added Sadler had a distinguished career in teaching. If he had
posed a danger, it would have surfaced.

Sadler was ordered to pay £500 costs.

After the hearing he said he was “flabbergasted” by the result.

“I am going to fight the SOPO,” he said. “I will take it to the
(European) Court of Human Rights. This is not the end.”

He added: “This has been going on since 2000 and I want to clear my
name, I am innocent.”

http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/worcestershire/3748293.Paedophile_fails_to_overturn_ban/

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" ...Sadler was “an ... incredible witness”.

Well ... TY m'Lud, replied Sadler.

WM
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judith
2008-10-11 20:49:10 UTC
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WM
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Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?

Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 20:51:44 UTC
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WM
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Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.

WM
Alex Heney
2008-10-11 22:23:31 UTC
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WM
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Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
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Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 23:05:36 UTC
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WM
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Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
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To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Why not?

I guess the biased reader (such as Judith) believes he carried out the
offence, aboard, and that he was about to in the breach of the SOPO.

Such readers would never even read such a story, in the press etc (the
title would be good enough for them), they have so far to go ... just
getting them to read, is the first stage.

Here, they learn about SOPOs, the process of appeals etc, they then
lean what is so unacceptable about all these retributive acts (even
when the person has actually carried them out) - but that takes
soooooooooo long.

It never arrives, for some.

WM
judith
2008-10-11 23:16:44 UTC
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It never arrives, for some.
WM
He committed an offence as a pervert in 1995 and was convicted of it.

He was in prison and then deported back to the UK.

There was an interim court order which he breached.

His defence was that he was "helping" a vulnerable child.

What was he doing - giving him a "hand".

He is a pervert - I rest my case.

After the hearing he said he was “flabbergasted” by the result.

He is obviously also barking if that was the case.
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 23:28:04 UTC
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It never arrives, for some.
WM
He committed an offence as a pervert in 1995 and was convicted of it.
He was in prison and then deported back to the UK.
There was an interim court order which he breached.
His defence was that he was "helping" a vulnerable child.
What was he doing - giving him a "hand".
He is a pervert - I rest my case.
After the hearing he said he was “flabbergasted” by the result.
He is obviously also barking if that was the case.
[He committed an offence as a pervert in 1995 and was convicted of
it.]

Did he?

Abroad, yes.

[He was in prison and then deported back to the UK].

Abroad, yes.

[There was an interim court order which he breached.]

Indeed, as is his right.

[His defence was that he was "helping" a vulnerable child.]

Indeed. You have any evidence he was not?

[What was he doing - giving him a "hand".]

Indeed. You have any evidence he was not?

[He is a pervert - I rest my case.]

It is not illegal to be a pervert (even if this man is), so I cannot
see what your case is.

[After the hearing he said he was “flabbergasted” by the result.]

Well, one would be.

[He is obviously also barking if that was the case.]

Or simply innocent, in the Natural Justice sense.

WM
Alex Heney
2008-10-12 20:44:25 UTC
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WM
www.critest.com
Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
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To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Why not?
Because from all the details in the report, it seems extremely likely
that this man *had* committed sexual offences against children, and
was quite likely to do so again.

So posting that particular one is not likely to change any
perceptions.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
I guess the biased reader (such as Judith) believes he carried out the
offence, aboard, and that he was about to in the breach of the SOPO.
Anybody reading that report would think that was most likely the case.

It is only biased readers IMO who think that to be so unlikely that
"normal" people would take that story as showing anything else.
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Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 20:50:11 UTC
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WM
www.critest.com
Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Discoveries are made by not following instructions.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Why not?
Because from all the details in the report, it seems extremely likely
that this man *had* committed sexual offences against children, and
was quite likely to do so again.
So posting that particular one is not likely to change any
perceptions.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
I guess the biased reader (such as Judith) believes he carried out the
offence, aboard, and that he was about to in the breach of the SOPO.
Anybody reading that report would think that was most likely the case.
It is only biased readers IMO who think that to be so unlikely that
"normal" people would take that story as showing anything else.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Indeed, as I said ... it is a long journey.

WM
mert1639
2008-10-12 20:56:42 UTC
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WM
www.critest.com
Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Discoveries are made by not following instructions.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Why not?
Because from all the details in the report, it seems extremely likely
that this man *had* committed sexual offences against children, and
was quite likely to do so again.
So posting that particular one is not likely to change any
perceptions.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
I guess the biased reader (such as Judith) believes he carried out the
offence, aboard, and that he was about to in the breach of the SOPO.
Anybody reading that report would think that was most likely the case.
It is only biased readers IMO who think that to be so unlikely that
"normal" people would take that story as showing anything else.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Indeed, as I said ... it is a long journey.

WM
Seeing as don't appear to believe anyone can ever commit a sex offence
against a child I don't you'll ever get there. Perhaps one day to too can
be like British Rail - We're getting there....
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 21:01:08 UTC
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WM
www.critest.com
Why do you keep posting such things - is it just to warn us that there
are some nasty, dirty, despicable, perverted people out there from
whom children need protecting?
Well I think we know that - but thanks for confirming it regularly.
No, I post them to challenge such perceptions.
That one was not a good choice for that purpose.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Discoveries are made by not following instructions.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Why not?
Because from all the details in the report, it seems extremely likely
that this man *had* committed sexual offences against children, and
was quite likely to do so again.
So posting that particular one is not likely to change any
perceptions.
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
I guess the biased reader (such as Judith) believes he carried out the
offence, aboard, and that he was about to in the breach of the SOPO.
Anybody reading that report would think that was most likely the case.
It is only biased readers IMO who think that to be so unlikely that
"normal" people would take that story as showing anything else.
--
Alex Heney, Global Villager
Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
Indeed, as I said ... it is a long journey.
WM
Seeing as don't appear to believe anyone can ever commit a sex offence
against a child I don't you'll ever get there.  Perhaps one day to too can
be like British Rail - We're getting there....
Of course people carry out sexual offences, against minors ...
millions every year.

Your are now just rambling, old boy.

WM
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2008-10-11 22:05:05 UTC
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
judith
2008-10-11 22:23:18 UTC
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 23:09:35 UTC
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Post by judith
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
What is a paedophile, Judith?

BTW, many of the most influential people of their time (and now) were
(are) perverts in their day.

Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King,
Albert Einstein ... the list goes on.

WM
judith
2008-10-11 23:25:27 UTC
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Post by judith
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Post by Webmanager_CritEst
Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
What is a paedophile, Judith?
Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children. In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se.

The problem is caused by the paedophiles who are also perverts and
insist on using their "condition" as an excuse for committing serious
sexual offences.


Excuse: I am a paedophile - I was sexually attracted to the child.

Explanation : No - you were a paedophile, who was also a pervert who
took advantage of vulnerable people.

(Ask me what I think of chemical castration)
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-11 23:35:19 UTC
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
What is a paedophile, Judith?
Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children.  In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se.
The problem is caused by the paedophiles who are also perverts and
insist on using their "condition" as an excuse for committing serious
sexual offences.
Excuse: I am a paedophile - I was sexually attracted to the child.
Explanation : No - you were a paedophile, who was also a pervert who
took advantage of vulnerable people.
(Ask me what I think of chemical castration)
[Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children. In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se."]

Your opinion is noted, but you are incorrect.

[The problem is caused by the paedophiles who are also perverts and
insist on using their "condition" as an excuse for committing serious
sexual offences.]

Since you do not understand the label, you cannot be expected to know
what 'the problem' is.

[Excuse: I am a paedophile - I was sexually attracted to the child.]

But, surely, that would a valid REASON, by your opinion.

[Explanation : No - you were a paedophile,]

ditto.

[who was also a pervert who took advantage of vulnerable people]

This is by simple observation, yes?

[Ask me what I think of chemical castration)]

Well, my first question would be, "do you know anything of value about
it"?

WM
judith
2008-10-12 13:46:45 UTC
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
What is a paedophile, Judith?
Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children.  In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se.
The problem is caused by the paedophiles who are also perverts and
insist on using their "condition" as an excuse for committing serious
sexual offences.
Excuse: I am a paedophile - I was sexually attracted to the child.
Explanation : No - you were a paedophile, who was also a pervert who
took advantage of vulnerable people.
(Ask me what I think of chemical castration)
[Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children. In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se."]
Your opinion is noted, but you are incorrect.
Expand please.
I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.

It's when they want to take things further that matters get out of
hand.

(Sexual castration should be the norm for those who ask for it - or
for all who are found guilty of the more serious sex crimes)
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 20:56:47 UTC
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Michael Sheath, an ex-probation officer, said Sadler was a paedophile
engaged in sex tourism and presented a grave risk to children.
Even an EX Probabtion officer should know what a peedyphile is
I think he meant "pervert"
What is a paedophile, Judith?
Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children.  In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se.
The problem is caused by the paedophiles who are also perverts and
insist on using their "condition" as an excuse for committing serious
sexual offences.
Excuse: I am a paedophile - I was sexually attracted to the child.
Explanation : No - you were a paedophile, who was also a pervert who
took advantage of vulnerable people.
(Ask me what I think of chemical castration)
[Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children.  In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se."]
Your opinion is noted, but you are incorrect.
Expand please.
 I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.
It's when they want to take things further that matters get out of
hand.
(Sexual castration should be the norm for those who ask for it - or
for all who are found guilty of the more serious sex crimes)
The Paraphilias
http://www.critest.com/MBSold/The%20Paraphilias.htm

A bit long in the tooth (with some deadlinks), now, but still valid.

[I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.]

A large number, for sure. We refer to ourselves as Minor-Attracted
Adults (MAA).

[It's when they want to take things further that matters get out of
hand.]

... or in hand ;)

[(Sexual castration should be the norm for those who ask for it - or
for all who are found guilty of the more serious sex crimes)]

Your opinon is noted. Contrary to HR, of course, but it is in your HO.

WM
mert1639
2008-10-12 21:01:56 UTC
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The Paraphilias
http://www.critest.com/MBSold/The%20Paraphilias.htm

A bit long in the tooth (with some deadlinks), now, but still valid.

[I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.]

Beacuse having a sexal attraction to children is exactly the same as having
a fettish for shoes or something!
You don't seem to be able to realise that peadophiles cause HARM to
children. You can't cause harm to a pair of shoes.
Alex Heney
2008-10-12 23:07:08 UTC
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The Paraphilias
http://www.critest.com/MBSold/The%20Paraphilias.htm
A bit long in the tooth (with some deadlinks), now, but still valid.
[I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.]
Beacuse having a sexal attraction to children is exactly the same as having
a fettish for shoes or something!
You don't seem to be able to realise that peadophiles cause HARM to
children. You can't cause harm to a pair of shoes.
They only cause harm if they *act* on their desires.

Most people with those desires know such *action* to be "wrong", and
manage to resist the temptation.

The desires in themselves cannot be "wrong" or "right". You really
have virtually no control over what attracts you.
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mert1639
2008-10-13 07:04:05 UTC
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The Paraphilias
http://www.critest.com/MBSold/The%20Paraphilias.htm
A bit long in the tooth (with some deadlinks), now, but still valid.
[I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.]
Beacuse having a sexal attraction to children is exactly the same as having
a fettish for shoes or something!
You don't seem to be able to realise that peadophiles cause HARM to
children. You can't cause harm to a pair of shoes.
They only cause harm if they *act* on their desires.
Most people with those desires know such *action* to be "wrong", and
manage to resist the temptation.
The desires in themselves cannot be "wrong" or "right". You really
have virtually no control over what attracts you.
Of course, I should have been clearer.
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 23:24:50 UTC
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The Paraphiliashttp://www.critest.com/MBSold/The%20Paraphilias.htm
A bit long in the tooth (with some deadlinks), now, but still valid.
[I would have thought that there are any number of people who are
attracted to children but who don't cause any offense or offence -
nothing wrong with that per se.]
Beacuse having a sexal attraction to children is exactly the same as having
a fettish for shoes or something!
You don't seem to be able to realise that peadophiles cause HARM to
children.  You can't cause harm to a pair of shoes.
[Beacuse having a sexal attraction to children is exactly the same as
having a fettish for shoes or something!]

Well, not exactly, but nearly.... just part of all our rich and
textured sexual tapestry.

[You don't seem to be able to realise that peadophiles cause HARM to
children.]

Do they? You do have the evidence for that claim?

[You can't cause harm to a pair of shoes]

Of course you can, but it is irrelevant.

WM
Cynic
2008-10-14 18:40:05 UTC
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Post by Webmanager_CritEst
What is a paedophile, Judith?
Someone (an adult) who is sexually attracted to children. In my
opinion there is nothing wrong with that per se.
Partially correct - *but* - what is the definition of "children" in
this context, and would a normal 15 year old boy qualify?
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Cynic
Big Les Wade
2008-10-12 10:25:32 UTC
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BTW, many of the most influential people of their time (and now) were
(are) perverts in their day.
Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King,
Albert Einstein ... the list goes on.
Albert Einstein?
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Les
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 19:20:18 UTC
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Post by Webmanager_CritEst
BTW, many of the most influential people of their time (and now) were
(are) perverts in their day.
Jesus Christ, Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King,
Albert Einstein ... the list goes on.
Albert Einstein?
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Les
Indeed, all challenged existing dogma, at the time.

WM
allan tracy
2008-10-12 15:21:57 UTC
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What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.

It's quite simple obey the law and sow your oats elsewhere - it's no
big ask.
Janitor of Lunacy
2008-10-12 15:35:09 UTC
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What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.
Does it? Where?
allan tracy
2008-10-12 15:43:19 UTC
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What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.
Does it? Where?
When you break the paedo laws you become a paedo, what's so difficult
about that?
The Todal
2008-10-12 16:33:50 UTC
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What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.
Does it? Where?
When you break the paedo laws you become a paedo, what's so difficult
about that?
There are no "paedo laws", so what on earth are you on about?
Webmanager_CritEst
2008-10-12 19:21:58 UTC
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What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.
Does it? Where?
When you break the paedo laws you become a paedo, what's so difficult
about that?
What are you on about Allan?

Although, of course, we know really ;)

WM
Cynic
2008-10-14 18:42:41 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:21:57 -0700 (PDT), allan tracy
Post by allan tracy
Post by Webmanager_CritEst
What is a paedophile, Judith?
The law defines what a paedophile is.
Does it? In which Act?
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Cynic
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