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The Lord's ammendment.
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Ophelia
2017-03-01 10:07:13 UTC
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I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?

If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe

It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
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James Harris
2017-03-01 10:26:34 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
Well said. If the Lords do this then hopefully the Commons will bat it
back, politely pointing out the Lords' stupidity in the process.
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James Harris
Ophelia
2017-03-01 10:33:11 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
Well said. If the Lords do this then hopefully the Commons will bat it
back, politely pointing out the Lords' stupidity in the process.

James Harris

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We can only hope. The lords have been advised of the problems this will
cause. Did Rudd not make a statement the other day, saying that we want
those people to be safe but also our people too!
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James Harris
2017-03-01 16:46:05 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
Well said. If the Lords do this then hopefully the Commons will bat it
back, politely pointing out the Lords' stupidity in the process.
The Lords are discussing this right now

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/708e9efa-beac-4dbf-b201-a2d52a057372

Some of them have reminded the others that their role is to amend bills,
not to add to them.
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Ian Jackson
2017-03-01 10:44:20 UTC
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I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
It's the only honourable thing to do (and we should be pleased to do
it).

These EU immigrants came here according to the UK (and, of course, EU)
laws which prevailed at the time (and, arguably, still do until we
revoke them). It's simply wrong (and in most cases illegal) to change
the Ts & Cs respectively.
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
Do you really think they don't care a damn?
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
She has no power to influence any tit-for-tat ruling on those who will
no longer be our fellow partners. However, I very much doubt that even
she is planning to round up all our EU immigrants, put them in
concentration camps on the Isle Of Man, and hold them as hostage in
order to ensure that UK citizens are treated well.
Post by Ophelia
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
The Lords are no more stupid than most of us - and (hopefully) most are
cleverer than the more stupid of us.
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Ian
burfordTjustice
2017-03-01 11:14:42 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK
should have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care
about our people on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
They are your Lords, you will accept what they say
as best for all. Now run along and STFU>
Nightjar
2017-03-01 12:42:18 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future in
the UK.
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU chooses
to do.
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we need
them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
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Colin Bignell
abelard
2017-03-01 13:00:18 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future in
the UK.
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU chooses
to do.
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we need
them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
my information is there are more of them in britain than brits in
europe

the eussr bureaucrats are behaving foolishly yet again

the serious decisions will be made by the governments, not by
the jobsworths
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Handsome Jack
2017-03-01 12:57:16 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future in
the UK.
Fair enough, but that's only one factor to be taken into account.
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Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU
chooses to do.
They may not, but HMG does. It can tell EU member states that they won't
get what they want unless we get what we want. But we can't tell them
that if we give them what they want *first*.
Post by Nightjar
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we need
them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
That's why it would be stupid to give away the negotiating power that we
are starting with.
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Ian Jackson
2017-03-01 13:15:10 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future
in the UK.
Fair enough, but that's only one factor to be taken into account.
Post by Nightjar
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU
chooses to do.
They may not, but HMG does. It can tell EU member states that they
won't get what they want unless we get what we want. But we can't tell
them that if we give them what they want *first*.
Post by Nightjar
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we
need them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
That's why it would be stupid to give away the negotiating power that
we are starting with.
Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I would hope that our now
turncoat, pro-brexit government would still be above trying to use
existing EU immigrants to the UK as hostages - or worse still,
cannon-fodder.
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Ian
tim...
2017-03-01 16:06:35 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons failed
to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start to lose
people we need because they are uncertain about their future in the UK.
Fair enough, but that's only one factor to be taken into account.
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU chooses
to do.
They may not, but HMG does. It can tell EU member states that they won't
get what they want unless we get what we want. But we can't tell them that
if we give them what they want *first*.
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we need
them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
That's why it would be stupid to give away the negotiating power that we
are starting with.
Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I would hope that our now turncoat,
pro-brexit government would still be above trying to use existing EU
immigrants to the UK as hostages - or worse still, cannon-fodder.
wny not

that's exactly what the other side are doing

tim
harry
2017-03-01 17:11:37 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future
in the UK.
Fair enough, but that's only one factor to be taken into account.
Post by Nightjar
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU
chooses to do.
They may not, but HMG does. It can tell EU member states that they
won't get what they want unless we get what we want. But we can't tell
them that if we give them what they want *first*.
Post by Nightjar
Post by Ophelia
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
I thought the Leave position was that the EU needs us more than we
need them, so all negotiations would be from a position of power.
That's why it would be stupid to give away the negotiating power that
we are starting with.
Call me old-fashioned if you want, but I would hope that our now
turncoat, pro-brexit government would still be above trying to use
existing EU immigrants to the UK as hostages - or worse still,
cannon-fodder.
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Ian
You are clearly full of shit.
harry
2017-03-01 17:10:37 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured.
Strictly speaking, they are reviving an amendment that the Commons
failed to get accepted. The importance of which is that we don't start
to lose people we need because they are uncertain about their future in
the UK.
Post by Ophelia
Don't they care about our
people
on the continent?
I am sure they do, but they have no power to control what the EU chooses
to do.
Yes we have.
Tit for tat.
If we let them stay here regardless, we will have no power.
Are you so thick you can't see this?
R. Mark Clayton
2017-03-01 13:11:49 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
So the UK should behave dishonourably and revoke the residence rights of people already here perfectly legally?

Still I suppose the Leave vote did reflect a desire of its supporters for a bit of ethnic cleansing...
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tim...
2017-03-01 16:05:58 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
So the UK should behave dishonourably and revoke the residence rights of
people already here perfectly legally?
but they won't be here "perfectly legally" when we have left the EU, will
they? (unless we agree otherwise)

tim
Ophelia
2017-03-01 16:26:35 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
So the UK should behave dishonourably and revoke the residence rights of
people already here perfectly legally?
but they won't be here "perfectly legally" when we have left the EU, will
they? (unless we agree otherwise)

tim

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There are plenty of EU people here, who are crying on the news about how
they are afraid they might get sent back!

Why do we not have UK folk in EU crying on the radio because THEY might be
sent home.

Something going on here!
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harry
2017-03-01 17:14:16 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
So the UK should behave dishonourably and revoke the residence rights of
people already here perfectly legally?
but they won't be here "perfectly legally" when we have left the EU, will
they? (unless we agree otherwise)
tim
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There are plenty of EU people here, who are crying on the news about how
they are afraid they might get sent back!
Why do we not have UK folk in EU crying on the radio because THEY might be
sent home.
Something going on here!
The usual socialist bullshit.
That's what's going on.

harry
2017-03-01 17:13:07 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
So the UK should behave dishonourably and revoke the residence rights of people already here perfectly legally?
We will behave exactly as honourably as they do in the EUSSR.
Judith
2017-03-01 15:46:46 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
It is of course the right thing to do: irrespective of what happens to UK
citizens working in the EU.

I suppose you would rather play politics and other games with people's lives.

Don't forget it is people like you who have turned things to rat-shit.
James Harris
2017-03-01 16:35:24 UTC
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Post by Ophelia
I hear the lords are adding an amendment that all EU people in UK should
have their rights to stay here be secured. Don't they care about our people
on the continent?
If May has to follow that she has no clout to keep our own folk safe
It is hard to believe the stupidity of 'lords'!
It is of course the right thing to do: irrespective of what happens to UK
citizens working in the EU.
Why do you put the security of EU expats in the UK above that of British
people abroad?

Why not work to assure the rights of both?
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James Harris
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