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The Todal
2017-12-06 20:51:39 UTC
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods competing
with our sterling industries'. It also meant military menace,
Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.

(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World War. How
times have changed.)
Yellow
2017-12-06 21:06:56 UTC
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods competing
with our sterling industries'. It also meant military menace,
Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World War. How
times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
pamela
2017-12-06 22:41:28 UTC
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.

What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Fredxx
2017-12-06 23:26:01 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
The Todal
2017-12-06 23:39:16 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.

Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs, no
computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial, legal,
software, advertising.

No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
pamela
2017-12-07 00:37:39 UTC
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Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant
military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious
scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs,
no computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial,
legal, software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I wonder which wholly British made iPhone or Android does Fredxxx
uses? Perhaps his computer runs entirely on British microchips.
Jethro_uk
2017-12-07 07:03:48 UTC
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World War.
How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be surprising
if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from the
UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs,
no computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial, legal,
software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I wonder which wholly British made iPhone or Android does Fredxxx uses?
Perhaps his computer runs entirely on British microchips.
Until recently, ARM was a UK company (based in Cambridge).

There would be no mobile tech if it wasn't for Acorns RISC research.
pamela
2017-12-07 10:49:44 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing
of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no
TVs, no computers? All we offer is service industries.
Financial, legal, software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from
abroad.
I wonder which wholly British made iPhone or Android does
Fredxxx uses? Perhaps his computer runs entirely on British
microchips.
Until recently, ARM was a UK company (based in Cambridge).
There would be no mobile tech if it wasn't for Acorns RISC
research.
ARM has done very well but they do not make sufficient technology to
fully manufacture a smartphone or desktop PC.

Did you notice how I specifically didn't ask about mobile chips such
as those which ARM produces. Did you notice how I specifically asked
about desktop chips which ARM doesn't produce?

The point is that we have to buy foreign goods if we want certain
items and the idea that jolly Brits can make everything is incorrect
as if Britain is still some Victorian workshop for the world.

What's more, if the same goods are produced abroad and in the UK I
invariably find the UK product is less reliable and more poorly
constructed (unless the UK product happens to come from a UK
screwdriver plant owned by a foreign company).
The Todal
2017-12-07 11:19:25 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no
TVs, no computers? All we offer is service industries.
Financial, legal, software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from
abroad.
I wonder which wholly British made iPhone or Android does
Fredxxx uses? Perhaps his computer runs entirely on British
microchips.
Until recently, ARM was a UK company (based in Cambridge).
There would be no mobile tech if it wasn't for Acorns RISC
research.
ARM has done very well but they do not make sufficient technology to
fully manufacture a smartphone or desktop PC.
Did you notice how I specifically didn't ask about mobile chips such
as those which ARM produces. Did you notice how I specifically asked
about desktop chips which ARM doesn't produce?
The point is that we have to buy foreign goods if we want certain
items and the idea that jolly Brits can make everything is incorrect
as if Britain is still some Victorian workshop for the world.
What's more, if the same goods are produced abroad and in the UK I
invariably find the UK product is less reliable and more poorly
constructed (unless the UK product happens to come from a UK
screwdriver plant owned by a foreign company).
I have a German car, and there is surely no doubt that German and
Japanese cars have the best reputation for reliability and quality.

Bosch white goods (and AEG and Miele) also have an excellent reputation
for quality.

We do, certainly, have some British factories producing excellent
British goods. I've visited some of them. I have visited Youngmans, who
make excellent metal ladders and stepladders. I have visited factories
that manufacture wooden furniture. I wouldn't say that the products are
shoddy or sub-standard. But I doubt if other nations would choose to buy
British if they have their own industries selling the same products.

Pilkington Glass, based in St Helens, used to be a world-beating
producer of all types of glass. Since 2006 it has been owned by a
Japanese company.

It may be that the British goods which currently have the best
reputation and which are most sought-after by other countries, are our
bombs and missiles and other military hardware. But that's just my guess.
Peter Parry
2017-12-07 12:00:36 UTC
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I have a German car, and there is surely no doubt that German and
Japanese cars have the best reputation for reliability and quality.
Would that be why Audi and BMW are at the bottom of the JD Power
reliability rankings for 2017?
The Todal
2017-12-07 13:04:43 UTC
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I have a German car, and there is surely no doubt that German and
Japanese cars have the best reputation for reliability and quality.
Would that be why Audi and BMW are at the bottom of the JD Power
reliability rankings for 2017?
That does certainly seem odd. I've never heard of JD Power till now. I
was going by the Which reports. Landrover and Jaguar of course always
lag behind in reliability.

Which says:

Our robust reliability research is powered by the experiences of 44,794
owners, who have given detailed insight into the ownership and
maintenance of 50,742 individual cars (online survey: Dec 2016 to Feb 2017).

Looking at BMW’s reliability across the entire brand, it makes for
encouraging reading. BMW is one of the brands to get a full five out of
five stars for reliability, for cars aged three years or less. Only a
quarter or so of owners experienced a problem, which is better than
most, with small SUV and large car owners being the least likely to put
in a trip to the local dealership or garage. Even those that do have
faults tend have a good chance of the issue being relatively minor. Just
as we age and develop more creaks, groans and pains than we’d like to
admit, the same can be said of cars. However, BMW vehicles seem to be
fitter than most, receiving a four-star reliability rating for cars aged
3-8 years. Less than half the owners we heard from had a problem with
older cars. But it’s not all good news. For those that do suffer a
fault, prepare to lever open your wallet or purse – BMW has the second
highest average repair cost of all brands (only Land Rover tops it in
terms of bank account misery).



And these What Car surveys look rather better for Audi:

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-8/

https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-4/
pamela
2017-12-07 13:16:13 UTC
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I have a German car, and there is surely no doubt that German and
Japanese cars have the best reputation for reliability and quality.
Would that be why Audi and BMW are at the bottom of the JD Power
reliability rankings for 2017?
Are Audi and BMW using some British made parts?
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-07 13:26:40 UTC
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I have a German car, and there is surely no doubt that German and
Japanese cars have the best reputation for reliability and quality.
Would that be why Audi and BMW are at the bottom of the JD Power
reliability rankings for 2017?
Dunno - US ratings...

Usually near the top in UK ones - no question of what usually comes bottom: -
Land Rover
MM
2017-12-07 14:49:20 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant
military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious
scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs,
no computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial,
legal, software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I wonder which wholly British made iPhone or Android does Fredxxx
uses? Perhaps his computer runs entirely on British microchips.
Funny how people like Fredxxx can never provide actual examples. Take
the quality issue, for example, it's dead easy to come up with a list
of machine tools, trucks, cars, trains, medical equipment and other
stuff that has been designed in Germany or Japan.

So, Fredxxx, what similar list of comparable British products can you
come up with?

MM
Omega
2017-12-07 09:45:53 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs, no
computers? All we offer is service industries.  Financial, legal,
software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
Bought this week, a log splitter.

I had narrowed my choice down, a machine with Scheppach stamped on it, a
German firm, price, £199. The other machine sold throughout Screwfix
UK, one of their generic brands, Titan, price £139.

BOTH machines are made in China and are identical!

Mine came with a two year warranty and after an afternoon splitting logs
yesterday can report, my Titan, a most robust piece of kit!

The days of 'cheap Chinese junk' are gone and are streets ahead on
quality and price and are knocking the hell out of the west on everyday
goods from electronics to machinery to lithium batteries!

The idea that German built cars are superior is also a myth, their fault
ridden cars fill up our garage workshops more than any other!

omega
Yellow
2017-12-07 13:02:06 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs, no
computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial, legal,
software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I worked in manufacturing all my working life and can report we do
indeed make stuff in the UK. Your error, and this is a common one in the
newsgroup, is to equate all manufactured items with consumer goods.
pamela
2017-12-07 13:17:50 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing
of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs,
no computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial,
legal, software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I worked in manufacturing all my working life and can report we
do indeed make stuff in the UK. Your error, and this is a common
one in the newsgroup, is to equate all manufactured items with
consumer goods.
Consumers not manufacturers voted Brexit and their needs should be
taken into account.
The Todal
2017-12-07 13:31:09 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 20:51:39 +0000, The Todal
Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs, no
computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial, legal,
software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I worked in manufacturing all my working life and can report we do
indeed make stuff in the UK. Your error, and this is a common one in the
newsgroup, is to equate all manufactured items with consumer goods.
It tends to be consumer goods that give a country its reputation for
quality and reliability. But if we have a fine reputation for
non-consumer goods I think that really ought to be given much greater
publicity.
MM
2017-12-07 14:54:30 UTC
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Our Leyland cars are second to none.
Do we still produce any goods at all? What, no cameras, no TVs, no
computers? All we offer is service industries. Financial, legal,
software, advertising.
No problem, though - we can buy everything we want from abroad.
I worked in manufacturing all my working life and can report we do
indeed make stuff in the UK. Your error, and this is a common one in the
newsgroup, is to equate all manufactured items with consumer goods.
I believe one of the products was a railway station bench -- but you
didn't want to comply with EU construction and use regulations.

Typical British narrowmindedness.

MM
n***@gmail.com
2017-12-07 16:59:46 UTC
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When it comes to having to comply with EU regulations on something like a railway bench, it's surely time to make a sharp exit. Ludicrous over-regulation is just one of the many objections people have.
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2017-12-07 21:12:41 UTC
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When it comes to having to comply with EU regulations on something like a railway bench, it's surely time to make a sharp exit. Ludicrous over-regulation is just one of the many objections people have.
And here's why we need the regulation. Because it's necessary. Only
fuckwits and greedy profiteers believe that we're over regulated.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/07/david-davis-ignorance-health-and-safety-brexit-environmental

The Chartered Institute of Environmental Health feels it is peering over
the possible abyss of a hard-Brexit, deregulated future, where no
alignment with the EU means importing from elsewhere with lower
standards, requiring more checks and certifications. It warns of already
over-stretched capacity at ports checking just-in-time food arrivals, so
any extra delay for new checks will leave food rotting on quaysides.

Public health laboratories are stretched to breaking point. Where will
extra inspectors come from, with many fewer trainees now? Besides, many
inspectors are EU nationals who may not stay.

They listen to the drumbeat of the deregulators with growing
trepidation. “If we could just halve the burdens of the EU social and
employment legislation we could deliver a £4.3bn boost to our economy
and 60,000 new jobs,” the former international development secretary
Priti Patel told the Institute of Directors. “The price of the food we
eat is directly influenced by the barrage of regulations Europe imposes
on farmers and producers.”

Boris Johnson claims the reason for our low growth is “because we’ve got
too much regulation, too much stuff coming from Brussels”. The same
chorus has come from Jacob Rees-Mogg, Chris Grayling, Dominic Raab and
the rest.
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
Yellow
2017-12-08 14:20:40 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches" and
instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.

MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of manufacturing
bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU legislation so he tried to put
it in to terms he could understand and that manifested itself as a
wooden bench.

Make of that what you will. :-)
pamela
2017-12-08 15:18:19 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches"
and instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.
MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of
manufacturing bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU
legislation so he tried to put it in to terms he could
understand and that manifested itself as a wooden bench.
Make of that what you will. :-)
Such a UK company supplying bespoke electrical equipment to its
domestic market always has a big advantage over foreign companies who
want to sell to the same customers.

Usually such a company is one of very few in the sector and they
frequently enjoy a monopoly. In time the monoploy drives down
standards, their prices creep up and they become uncompetitive. A
lot of the British rail industry and its suppliers got too fat and
too comfortable.

Such uncompetitiveness doesn't get revealed until fresh competition
come along and the experience terrifies them. They start to
denigrate foreigners and demand special standards in the industry
which,amazingly enough, reflect the features already in their
prodducts

This happens so many times that it's very well-known.
Ophelia
2017-12-08 15:46:04 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches" and
instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.

MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of manufacturing
bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU legislation so he tried to put
it in to terms he could understand and that manifested itself as a
wooden bench.

Make of that what you will. :-)

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Phi
2017-12-08 19:54:01 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches" and
instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.
MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of manufacturing
bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU legislation so he tried to put
it in to terms he could understand and that manifested itself as a
wooden bench.
Make of that what you will. :-)
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lol that fits:))
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You won't know, but we had British Standards before the EU catastrophy.
Ophelia
2017-12-08 20:16:21 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches" and
instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.
MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of manufacturing
bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU legislation so he tried to put
it in to terms he could understand and that manifested itself as a
wooden bench.
Make of that what you will. :-)
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lol that fits:))
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You won't know, but we had British Standards before the EU catastrophy.

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I most certainly DO know it!!! I am hardly a teenager:)
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2017-12-08 20:55:40 UTC
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It's a railway bench, not a nuclear bomb.
And I did not work for a company that made "railways benches"
and instead it made DC Switchgear for the railway industry.
MM could not cope with discussing the complexities of
manufacturing bespoke machinery and switchgear and EU
legislation so he tried to put it in to terms he could
understand and that manifested itself as a wooden bench.
Make of that what you will. :-)
===
lol that fits:))
You won't know, but we had British Standards before the EU
catastrophy.
Why would British Standards be better than German or French
standards? Why duplicate the effort to write them 28 times?
Ian Jackson
2017-12-08 21:05:57 UTC
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Why would British Standards be better than German or French
standards? Why duplicate the effort to write them 28 times?
It all makes work for the working man to do?

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Why would British Standards be better than German or French
standards? Why duplicate the effort to write them 28 times?
The French always adopted annoyingly different standards, just to be different - SECAM etc. - the yellow headlight problem.

OTOH German DIN standard were widely adopted in other countries, including the UK.
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It all makes work for the working man to do?
http://youtu.be/zyeMFSzPgGc
The main beneficiaries of Brexit are likely to be paper-shufflers, bean counters, customs forwarders, customs officers - a small or possibly even large army of unwanted jobsworths that the British public will have to pay for one way or another (probably both).
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Why would British Standards be better than German or French
standards? Why duplicate the effort to write them 28 times?
The French always adopted annoyingly different standards, just to be different - SECAM etc. - the yellow headlight problem.
OTOH German DIN standard were widely adopted in other countries, including the UK.
Mind you, foolscap still exists.

"The earliest example of such paper that is firmly dated was made in
Germany in 1479." - Wikipedia

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Why would British Standards be better than German or French
standards? Why duplicate the effort to write them 28 times?
The French always adopted annoyingly different standards, just to be different - SECAM etc. - the yellow headlight problem.
OTOH German DIN standard were widely adopted in other countries, including the UK.
Mind you, foolscap still exists.
"The earliest example of such paper that is firmly dated was made in
Germany in 1479." - Wikipedia
MM
"A" series paper sizes were a French / German invention, DIN standard 1922, adopted UK 1959, ISO 1975. Just the USA and a handful of flunky countries still using "Letter" size paper, and it still causes photocopier / printer difficulties.

Will the Brexitremists also want to go back to Lsd, Therms, quarters, chains, rods, poles and perches etc. aka Imperial measure...?
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When it comes to having to comply with EU regulations on something like a railway bench, it's surely time to make a sharp exit. Ludicrous over-regulation is just one of the many objections people have.
Yeah, "over-regulation" like, for example, ensuring no sharp edges.
Grinding them down costs money, which some British manufacturers use
as an excuse for not delivering a safe product. After all, who cares
whether little Jenny or little Bill cuts their leg open on a ragged
bit of steel? They should've taken more care, eh!

MM
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When it comes to having to comply with EU regulations on
something like a railway bench, it's surely time to make a sharp
exit. Ludicrous over-regulation is just one of the many
objections people have.
Yeah, "over-regulation" like, for example, ensuring no sharp
edges. Grinding them down costs money, which some British
manufacturers use as an excuse for not delivering a safe
product. After all, who cares whether little Jenny or little
Bill cuts their leg open on a ragged bit of steel? They
should've taken more care, eh!
MM
I welcome the safety regulations of the EU. If the EU didn't draw
them up then the UK would need to.

Too many manufacturers are willing to cut corners and couldn't give a
damn about any danger consumers face from their products. and it's
not just foreign imports, such as those from China, which need
regulating but also our own production.

Of course there's usually some quirk from regulation, which makes for
jerring in the tabloids, but such silliness doesn't mean we should
reduce safety.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Your Morris Marina / Austin Allegro is running well then?
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Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Your Morris Marina / Austin Allegro is running well then?
No but my British made Jaguar is running very nicely thanks.
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Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
Your Morris Marina / Austin Allegro is running well then?
No but my British made Jaguar is running very nicely thanks.
Long may it do so! Now that it's Indian-owned (by Tata Motors since
2008), the quality may be deteriorating.

"Unusually, Jaguar's older cars seem to be (relatively) more dependable
than its newer cars, indicating a possible fall in quality in recent
years. A third of people we heard from with cars aged three years or
less had an issue to deal with - most commonly with the sat nav,
entertainment system or computer software. Less frequent were problems
with the fuel system, which can be expensive to fix. This all culminates
in an unremarkable three-star rating (out of five) for cars aged three
years or less". (Which? review)
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
A theme consistent with Remoaners is their constant bashing of UK goods.
There's a very good reason for that and it's called lack of investment
in the UK, meaning we just carry on making things to old designs
whereas Germany and Japan typically move with the times much more
readily.

MM
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.

My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement
foil head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy
some Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the
quality part.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement
foil head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy
some Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the
quality part.
Why are you spending that much on a shaver? It's just a motor and some blades. My Phillips cost me about a tenner, and replacement blades about a fiver (which last for years).
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement
foil head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy
some Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the
quality part.
Why are you spending that much on a shaver? It's just a motor and some
blades. My Phillips cost me about a tenner, and replacement blades about
a fiver (which last for years).
You have to understand the MOST people are NOT unemployable notorious dole
and welfare whores like you, sociopath!
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
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Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
the shop must have had big windows.......they saw him coming....tee hee
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
the shop must have had big windows.......they saw him coming....tee hee
Yes, sunbeam. Amazon has huge windows. Big robots welcome you into the
store and try to sell you stuff.

I do hope you aren't wasting your money on toilet paper when it's
perfectly easy to tear old newspapers into squares.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
the shop must have had big windows.......they saw him coming....tee hee
Yes, sunbeam. Amazon has huge windows. Big robots welcome you into the
store and try to sell you stuff.
I do hope you aren't wasting your money on toilet paper when it's
perfectly easy to tear old newspapers into squares.
is there any other way .......?
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Post by The Todal
'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
the shop must have had big windows.......they saw him coming....tee hee
Yes, sunbeam. Amazon has huge windows. Big robots welcome you into the
store and try to sell you stuff.
I do hope you aren't wasting your money on toilet paper when it's
perfectly easy to tear old newspapers into squares.
My ten quid razor cuts the hairs off when I run it over my face. Unless yours also makes the tea, why pay more?
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Yes, sunbeam. Amazon has huge windows. Big robots welcome you into the
store and try to sell you stuff.
I do hope you aren't wasting your money on toilet paper when it's
perfectly easy to tear old newspapers into squares.
My ten quid razor cuts the hairs off when I run it over my face.  Unless
yours also makes the tea, why pay more?
My electric shaver charges very quickly, has a very long battery life
and is waterproof so can be used wet and dry. It has very good reviews
from many Amazon customers.

Your review of your ten quid razor would impress me more if there were
20 more people giving your razor a five star rating.

My original post on this thread was about the reputation of German
goods. As we are now talking about razors, I'll mention that I noticed
on the tube trains there are adverts for Cornerstone razors - "German
engineered razors". What's so special about a German razor? When I go to
the Cornerstone website I see "Our products are seriously good:
German-engineered razors & British-blended skincare products -
everything you need for a smooth, comfortable shave."

But also

"Two years on from launch, and I’m proud to say that Cornerstone is now
a thriving British success story. Combining our energy and passion with
the £1m we raised through crowdfunding, we have gone from strength to
strength and now have tens of thousands of men trusting our products
every morning as well as a long list of industry awards and accolades to
our name.

Welcome to Cornerstone - I hope you enjoy your first shave!

Regards,
Oliver Bridge – Founder"

unquote

So it's the usual British success story - bullshit advertising leading
to lots of gullible customers paying over the odds for a mediocre
product. To get your Cornerstone razor and skincare supplies, expect to
pay a subscription of thirty quid every six weeks. Well, you want the
best, surely?

https://www.cornerstone.co.uk/subscribe/product-selection
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ess
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yours also makes the tea, why pay more?
My electric shaver charges very quickly,
Mine charges in about 10 seconds, I just swap the 2 AA batteries.
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has a very long battery life
Couple of months for me.
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and is waterproof so can be used wet and dry. It has very good reviews=
from many Amazon customers.
Why anyone wants to shave wet I have no idea, but mine doesn't mind wate=
r. I usually rinse it under the tap after use.
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Your review of your ten quid razor would impress me more if there were=
20 more people giving your razor a five star rating.
It does the job. All a razor has to do is cut the hairs off, it's not l=
ike it's a computer or a car with many specifications.
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My original post on this thread was about the reputation of German
goods. As we are now talking about razors, I'll mention that I noticed=
on the tube trains there are adverts for Cornerstone razors - "German
engineered razors". What's so special about a German razor? When I go =
to
Post by The Todal
German-engineered razors & British-blended skincare products -
everything you need for a smooth, comfortable shave."
But also
"Two years on from launch, and I=E2=80=99m proud to say that Cornersto=
ne is now
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a thriving British success story. Combining our energy and passion wit=
h
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the =C2=A31m we raised through crowdfunding, we have gone from strengt=
h to
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strength and now have tens of thousands of men trusting our products
every morning as well as a long list of industry awards and accolades =
to
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our name.
Welcome to Cornerstone - I hope you enjoy your first shave!
Regards,
Oliver Bridge =E2=80=93 Founder"
unquote
So it's the usual British success story - bullshit advertising leading=
to lots of gullible customers paying over the odds for a mediocre
product. To get your Cornerstone razor and skincare supplies, expect =
to
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pay a subscription of thirty quid every six weeks. Well, you want the
best, surely?
https://www.cornerstone.co.uk/subscribe/product-selection
I'll stick to Phillips.

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I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
I can and there was nothing wrong with the foil ...
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
I can and there was nothing wrong with the foil ...
It's physically impossible, there are no sharp edges exposed. Only each individual hair can come into contact with the blades.
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
I can and there was nothing wrong with the foil ...
It's physically impossible, there are no sharp edges exposed.  Only each
individual hair can come into contact with the blades.
it hauled out the hairs by the roots .....
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
I can and there was nothing wrong with the foil ...
It's physically impossible, there are no sharp edges exposed. Only each
individual hair can come into contact with the blades.
it hauled out the hairs by the roots .....
Then I guess it was very very blunt. Mine didn't even do that even after I took it camping and got it full of sand. It just ended up taking far too long to shave. Or maybe you have weak roots.
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
Huh, try shaving your balls with an electric razor!

In fact, don't try it. Instead, use a lady shaver. Why do I do it?
It's just more comfortable.

MM
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
Huh, try shaving your balls with an electric razor!
In fact, don't try it. Instead, use a lady shaver. Why do I do it?
It's just more comfortable.
I can't believe you posted that on here! But why would they be more likely to suffer from cuts than your face?
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
You certainly can cut yourself with an electric shaver if the foil has
worn through.

Also, if you change from a foil shaver to a Philishave, you may find -
as I did, as many people do - that it leaves your skin raw and inflamed
and sensitive, until you have acclimatised to it.
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
You certainly can cut yourself with an electric shaver if the foil has
worn through.
Also, if you change from a foil shaver to a Philishave, you may find -
as I did, as many people do - that it leaves your skin raw and inflamed
and sensitive, until you have acclimatised to it.
Not sure what you mean by "foil". My shaver has two parts that spin together. One looks like lots of tiny blades, the other is a metal disk with gaps. I'd not say it was thin enough to warrant the word "foil". Whatever they are they'd take about a decade or two to wear right through.
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
You certainly can cut yourself with an electric shaver if the foil has
worn through.
Also, if you change from a foil shaver to a Philishave, you may find -
as I did, as many people do - that it leaves your skin raw and inflamed
and sensitive, until you have acclimatised to it.
Not sure what you mean by "foil".  My shaver has two parts that spin
together.  One looks like lots of tiny blades, the other is a metal disk
with gaps.  I'd not say it was thin enough to warrant the word "foil".
Whatever they are they'd take about a decade or two to wear right through.
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I'll stick to Phillips.
I found thise three circular philips thingies cut me badly ......
You can't cut yourself with an electric razor, only the manual ones.
You certainly can cut yourself with an electric shaver if the foil has
worn through.
Also, if you change from a foil shaver to a Philishave, you may find -
as I did, as many people do - that it leaves your skin raw and inflamed
and sensitive, until you have acclimatised to it.
Not sure what you mean by "foil". My shaver has two parts that spin
together. One looks like lots of tiny blades, the other is a metal disk
with gaps. I'd not say it was thin enough to warrant the word "foil".
Whatever they are they'd take about a decade or two to wear right through.
https://moo.review/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Braun-Smart-Control-190s-1-electric-shaver-foil-guard.jpg
Looks pretty flimsy to me, I use the shavers with the round ones.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
the shop must have had big windows.......they saw him coming....tee hee
Yes, sunbeam. Amazon has huge windows. Big robots welcome you into the
store and try to sell you stuff.
I do hope you aren't wasting your money on toilet paper when it's
perfectly easy to tear old newspapers into squares.
when you were brought up using a tenement stair head cludgy with that very
system you consider even Izal medicated to be an extravagant luxury .....
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
Keep your wanker's stench out of normally evolved humans' newsgroups, you
filthy sociopath!
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20 is 5 times less than 100, the same as dividing by 5.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.

Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting for
several weeks.
I have a cheapo reminton made in china that is like that......

then I wet shave with ARKO....

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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.

What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....

I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.

I take pride in my analogies! There are often ways of saving money but
sometimes they aren't worth it unless you really are counting the pennies.
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
I once stayed in a hotel in the midlands that has a similar issue and
solution, but the bucket did at least have a lid. Very unpleasant when
it is not what you are used to.
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
I once stayed in a hotel in the midlands that has a similar issue and
solution, but the bucket did at least have a lid. Very unpleasant when
it is not what you are used to.
The Midlands of the UK?! We haven't had non-flushing loos for centuries. When was this?
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement
foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
I once stayed in a hotel in the midlands that has a similar issue and
solution, but the bucket did at least have a lid. Very unpleasant when
it is not what you are used to.
The Midlands of the UK?! We haven't had non-flushing loos for centuries. When was this?
Yep, UK. And I'd say 1992. It had a flushing loo but could not cope with
paper.
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I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement
foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
My mum and her sister had to do that and had a blood bucket in the loo
where the rags sat until next wash day, and they had to give school as
miss for three days a month. Yep, exactly the same as choosing between a
cheap razor and a top of the range rechargeable, or just choosing to
grow a beard.
What is it with this group and its silly analogies?
We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
I once stayed in a hotel in the midlands that has a similar issue and
solution, but the bucket did at least have a lid. Very unpleasant when
it is not what you are used to.
The Midlands of the UK?! We haven't had non-flushing loos for centuries. When was this?
Yep, UK. And I'd say 1992. It had a flushing loo but could not cope with
paper.
Bloody hell. I'd not have been surprised if you said something like "North Wales" or "The Outer Hebrides". But The Midlands is not exactly the middle of nowhere.
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Yep, UK. And I'd say 1992. It had a flushing loo but could not cope with
paper.
Bloody hell. I'd not have been surprised if you said something like
"North Wales" or "The Outer Hebrides". But The Midlands is not exactly
the middle of nowhere.
You are lucky, Birdbrain! You found another idiot willing to engage in a
"discussion" with you filthy cretin! <BG>
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We had to live in a paper bag in t'middle of t'road....
I am reminded that when I visited Romania on holiday a few decades ago,
there was, in each toilet, a bucket for used toilet paper. Apparently
their plumbing couldn't cope with used toilet paper so you had to put it
in the bucket. Even in good hotels.
Seen that in a French public loo. The place stank to high heaven.
Like your hovel then that you infest and that stinks of cat piss, parrot
shit and gay wanker's grime, you abnormal wanking sociopathic sow!
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I take pride in my analogies! There are often ways of saving money but
sometimes they aren't worth it unless you really are counting the pennies.
or even if you are Scottish and really don't have to .......
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I take pride in my analogies! There are often ways of saving money but
sometimes they aren't worth it unless you really are counting the pennies.
or even if you are Scottish and really don't have to .......
All Scots have to count pennies.
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I take pride in my analogies! There are often ways of saving money but
sometimes they aren't worth it unless you really are counting the pennies.
or even if you are Scottish and really don't have to .......
All Scots have to count pennies.
we do /.....
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
I'm more extravagant than you, then.
My Braun electric shaver was 140 pounds from Amazon. The replacement foil
head (an assembly of cutters and foil) was 34 pounds. You can buy some
Braun shavers for less than 34 pounds, but the foil head is the quality
part.
you are ....
He's a "one born every minute" for paying that much for a razor.
I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
Mine runs on two AA NiMH batteries, I charge them about once every several weeks, just like you, but in a normal charger. One less power supply to bother with, when it slows down, I just swap the batteries.
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I like an electric shaver that is rechargeable with the charge lasting
for several weeks.
Obviously there are cheaper ways of solving one's shaving needs. And by
the same token, menstruating women can use a handful of old rags rather
than rely on manufactured sanitary towels.
Mine runs on two AA NiMH batteries, I charge them about once every
several weeks, just like you, but in a normal charger. One less power
supply to bother with, when it slows down, I just swap the batteries.
Strange that so many people don't do things the way you idiot keep doing
them, eh, Birdbrain, you "permanently ill" wanker?
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
Explain!
costs as much as the razor .....
Well I paid £145 for the shaver and can get a complete shaving head for £40.

Ok it's a lot of money, but less than a third of the shaver cost.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Braun-70S-Series-7-Electric-Shaver-Replacement-Foil-Cassette-Cartridge-Silver/132370523211?epid=2015261658&hash=item1ed1e5e44b:g:wKoAAOSwXaRZ6xwO
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
just wait until you need a new foil .....
I have a Braun electric shaver. They recommend replacement of the foil
ever 2 years. I have my spare foil, in its packaging, ready for use.
Some people probably soldier on with a blunt electric razor until
there's a hole in the foil.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea where it was
designed or made though if I am honest - so are we saying it would have
been made in the UK?
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea
where it was designed or made though if I am honest - so are we
saying it would have been made in the UK?
If it doesn't work when you open the box then it's probably made
in China.

If it fails in the first 6 months then it's probably made in the
UK.

Just kidding.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea
where it was designed or made though if I am honest - so are we
saying it would have been made in the UK?
If it doesn't work when you open the box then it's probably made
in China.
If it fails in the first 6 months then it's probably made in the
UK.
Just kidding.
Except you're precisely correct.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea where it was
designed or made though if I am honest - so are we saying it would have
been made in the UK?
A quick look. Braun Oral B electric toothbrush. Made in Germany. Braun
shaver foil/cutter assembly. Made in Germany. Miele fridge freezer. Made
in Germany. Miele vacuum cleaner. Made in Germany.

I'm rather surprised that they don't use factories in the East.

Actually you'd think that Britain could produce good, cheap vacuum
cleaners that could compete with Miele. Numatic comes close - the
British manufacturer of the Henry. But not as good in reviews as the
Miele small, compact cyclinder vacuum cleaner.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea
where it was designed or made though if I am honest - so are we
saying it would have been made in the UK?
A quick look. Braun Oral B electric toothbrush. Made in
Germany. Braun shaver foil/cutter assembly. Made in Germany.
Miele fridge freezer. Made in Germany. Miele vacuum cleaner.
Made in Germany.
I'm rather surprised that they don't use factories in the East.
Actually you'd think that Britain could produce good, cheap
vacuum cleaners that could compete with Miele. Numatic comes
close - the British manufacturer of the Henry. But not as good
in reviews as the Miele small, compact cyclinder vacuum cleaner.
We probably need to draw a distinction between designed in Germany
and made in Germany.

I found the distinction got blurred when I ordered a floor
standing fan advertisd as German but which, when it arrived, said
made in China.

I contacted the retailler who said it was, "Designed in Germany
but made in China". To be honest the ergonomics (small buttons,
many indicator lights, weird curved edges) looked so Chinese that
I am sure it was also designed there.

Maybe the retailler will tell me it was designed by German
engineers but living in China. lol! Pull the other one.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy
goods competing with our sterling industries'. It also
meant military menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy,
tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First
World War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came
from the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea
where it was designed or made though if I am honest - so are we
saying it would have been made in the UK?
A quick look. Braun Oral B electric toothbrush. Made in
Germany. Braun shaver foil/cutter assembly. Made in Germany.
Miele fridge freezer. Made in Germany. Miele vacuum cleaner.
Made in Germany.
I'm rather surprised that they don't use factories in the East.
Actually you'd think that Britain could produce good, cheap
vacuum cleaners that could compete with Miele. Numatic comes
close - the British manufacturer of the Henry. But not as good
in reviews as the Miele small, compact cyclinder vacuum cleaner.
We probably need to draw a distinction between designed in Germany
and made in Germany.
I found the distinction got blurred when I ordered a floor
standing fan advertisd as German but which, when it arrived, said
made in China.
I contacted the retailler who said it was, "Designed in Germany
but made in China". To be honest the ergonomics (small buttons,
many indicator lights, weird curved edges) looked so Chinese that
I am sure it was also designed there.
Maybe the retailler will tell me it was designed by German
engineers but living in China. lol! Pull the other one.
If it was advertised as "German", I'd expect design AND manufacture to be done in Germany. I would have asked for my money back.
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Maybe the retailler will tell me it was designed by German
engineers but living in China. lol! Pull the other one.
If it was advertised as "German", I'd expect design AND manufacture to be
done in Germany. I would have asked for my money back.
As far as I can see, nobody asked for an idiot's "comment", idiot!
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I have a Braun electric shaver. It's the best shaver I've ever had.
My epilator is a Braun and I am very happy with it. No idea where it was
designed or made though if I am honest - so are we saying it would have
been made in the UK?
A quick look. Braun Oral B electric toothbrush. Made in Germany. Braun
shaver foil/cutter assembly. Made in Germany. Miele fridge freezer. Made
in Germany. Miele vacuum cleaner. Made in Germany.
I'm rather surprised that they don't use factories in the East.
Actually you'd think that Britain could produce good, cheap vacuum
cleaners that could compete with Miele. Numatic comes close - the
British manufacturer of the Henry. But not as good in reviews as the
Miele small, compact cyclinder vacuum cleaner.
Well there's always Dyson - a couple of gimmicks, a lot of brightly coloured plastic, piss poor reliability (1st hand experience) and of course he wants the UK out of the EU - why - well the vac's are manufactured in the far east (since 2002) so he's hoping for duty on the better Bosch and Miele and none on his trashy models increasing his profitability...
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My epilator...
Too much information!

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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I am sure some German goods are poor, especially if the are rebadging
inferior items made in places like China.

However German engineering has a deservedly high reputation. I am
quite sure we can find many goods which are disappointing and then
compare the very best of our own. Rather than enter into a lengthy
individual product by product comparison, we can see if a third
country would rather buy British or German. The answer is German and
Germany's impressive export figures compaed to our own prove it.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World
War. How times have changed.)
Would you buy something just because it is German?
You would aim to buy good quality...... and it wouldn't be
surprising if they goods were from Germany.
What would be a surprise is if such high quality goods came from
the UK.
Braun stuff is rubbish ....
I am sure some German goods are poor, especially if the are rebadging
inferior items made in places like China.
However German engineering has a deservedly high reputation. I am
quite sure we can find many goods which are disappointing and then
compare the very best of our own. Rather than enter into a lengthy
individual product by product comparison, we can see if a third
country would rather buy British or German. The answer is German and
Germany's impressive export figures compaed to our own prove it.
have to say my two old mercs lasted for ever...almost
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods
competing with our sterling industries'. It also meant military
menace, Prussianism, useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World War.
How times have changed.)
Oh how times have changed.
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'German' meant 'dirty German'. It meant 'cheap shoddy goods competing with
our sterling industries'. It also meant military menace, Prussianism,
useless philosophy, tedious scholarship'.
(Robert Graves, describing life just before the First World War. How times
have changed.)
that is china these days ........
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