11 MPH speed limit

[Graham.]

I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.

It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?

"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

[Ophelia]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

[Graham.]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09)
rather better than 11MPH does (17.7)

[Ophelia]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

[Lieutenant Scott]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

The EU are a very odd bunch.

[Ophelia]

Post by Lieutenant Scott

Post by Ophelia

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

The EU are a very odd bunch.

Troo ...

[Lieutenant Scott]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Lieutenant Scott

Post by Ophelia

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

The EU are a very odd bunch.

Troo ...

I wonder if 11mph is the speed at which you can safely throw an EU standard potato without injury? I mean one might fall off the back of a lorry.

[Ophelia]

Post by Lieutenant Scott

Post by Ophelia

Post by Lieutenant Scott

Post by Ophelia

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

The EU are a very odd bunch.

Troo ...

I wonder if 11mph is the speed at which you can safely throw an EU
standard potato without injury? I mean one might fall off the back of a
lorry.

Heh!

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

Post by Ophelia

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

Indeed. Just as 30mph is an even number...

Guy

[Ophelia]

Post by Just zis Guy, you know?

Post by Ophelia

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere to
site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you prosecute a
contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

It might relate to the EU which insists on the equivalent Kph. I know that
is true for a top speed for lorries.

I thought of that, but 10mph approximates to a KPH integer (16.09) rather
better than 11MPH does (17.7)

Ok but it still is a rather odd number, no?

Indeed. Just as 30mph is an even number...

pfthpfthpfth .....

[Lieutenant Scott]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

Since they put "mandantry", perhaps they also wrote the 11 wrong?

[Lieutenant Scott]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits,

I assume what you mean here "is so that normal motorists don't accidentally go 11 on the road part, whereas the 11 refers to the site part (behind the cones)".

Post by Graham.
but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?

Why couldn't you? Does it have to be a specific amount to prosecute?

Post by Graham.
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

Post by Graham.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?

They'd use elfin safe tea legislation.

Guy

[Lieutenant Scott]

Post by Just zis Guy, you know?

Post by Graham.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?

They'd use elfin safe tea legislation.

Just how dangeroos is an elf in your tea?

[Harry]

Graham. posted the following :-

// I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62
// around J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
//
// It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers
// that don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't
// adhere to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could
// you prosecute a contractor for contravening it?
//
// "Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.
//
// --
//
// Graham.
//
// %Profound_observation%

The speed limit is physcological, if the limit is 10 mph, most drivers
often ignore/break the limit, in most cases without realising it, they
become complacent.

When the limit is 11mph, they watch their speed much more carefully and
so much more notice is taken of the rule.

As this thread proves an 11mph speed limit attracts much more attention
than a 10mph one.

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

I suspect someone accidentally ordered a few thousand 11 MPH signs so
they are trying to hide their mistake by actually using them for 10
MPH limit.

Steve

[Ophelia]

Post by Stephen Wolstenholme

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

I suspect someone accidentally ordered a few thousand 11 MPH signs so
they are trying to hide their mistake by actually using them for 10
MPH limit.

lol

[Mike Scott]

Post by Stephen Wolstenholme

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use numbers that
don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal motorists don't adhere
to site limits, but then again, if that was true, how could you
prosecute a contractor for contravening it?
"Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.

I suspect someone accidentally ordered a few thousand 11 MPH signs so
they are trying to hide their mistake by actually using them for 10
MPH limit.
Steve

Are such signs legal even? I've been grubbing around .gov.uk, and
although I've found nothing definitive, indications are that only 'the
round tens' seem to be allowed. Anyone have a /sure/ reference?

[Harry]

Mike Scott posted the following :-

// On 11/11/11 10:45, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
// // On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:30:07 +0000, "Graham."<***@privacy.net>
// // wrote:
// //
// // // I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the
M62
// // // around J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.
// // //
// // // It occurred to me that it might be deliberate policy to use
// // // numbers that don't occur in the Highway Code so that normal
// // // motorists don't adhere to site limits, but then again, if that
// // // was true, how could you prosecute a contractor for contravening
// // // it?
// // //
// // // "Mandantry" red circle signs 11 MPH.
// //
// // I suspect someone accidentally ordered a few thousand 11 MPH signs
// // so they are trying to hide their mistake by actually using them
for
// // 10 MPH limit.
// //
// // Steve
// //
//
// Are such signs legal even? I've been grubbing around .gov.uk, and
// although I've found nothing definitive, indications are that only
// 'the round tens' seem to be allowed. Anyone have a sure reference?
//
//
// --
// Mike Scott (unet2 <at> [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk)
// Harlow Essex England

I think you will find that the signs were not for use on the public
highway (eg it was not a limit through the roadworks) but were for
works traffic (eg the area under construction had an 11mph speed limit)
.

Maybe the OP can clear this up.

[Graham.]

Post by Harry
I think you will find that the signs were not for use on the public
highway (eg it was not a limit through the roadworks) but were for
works traffic (eg the area under construction had an 11mph speed limit)
.
Maybe the OP can clear this up.

Yes, that's right, Lane 1 & and the hard shoulder was coned off and the
signs were for site traffic.

I think Harry might have something with his theory about psychology.
Driving test appointment times are never nice round numbers like 1100 or
1630 they are always at times like 1058 or 1102 and this has been found
to improve punctuality.

[s***@googlemail.com]

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.

I saw these too made me laugh all the way to Leeds, couldn't stop thinking of Spinal Tap. If the limit was 10 then it might not be quite enough but here you can go to 11. lol

Apologies to anyone who hasn't got a clue what I'm talking about!

[Graham.]

Post by s***@googlemail.com

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.

I saw these too made me laugh all the way to Leeds, couldn't stop thinking of Spinal Tap. If the limit was 10 then it might not be quite enough but here you can go to 11. lol
Apologies to anyone who hasn't got a clue what I'm talking about!

I always tell SWMBO that I've put the electric blanket on to 11 when
in reality the switch only goes up to 4. She hasn't a clue what I'm on
about.

Isn't this one of my threads from months back?

[Doc Insanity]

Post by s***@googlemail.com

Post by Graham.
I saw 11MPH site speed limit signs through road works on the M62 around
J27. It seemed an odd figure to use.

I saw these too made me laugh all the way to Leeds, couldn't stop thinking
of Spinal Tap. If the limit was 10 then it might not be quite enough but
here you can go to 11. lol
Apologies to anyone who hasn't got a clue what I'm talking about!

I always tell SWMBO that I've put the electric blanket on to 11 when
in reality the switch only goes up to 4. She hasn't a clue what I'm on
about.

Isn't this one of my threads from months back?
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Bummer - beaten to the punch on the Spinal Tap reference!