Post by pullgees Post by Altroy1
Ad-hominems rightly are frequently seen as playing the man not the ball.
There are exceptions such when the man plays himself as that ball, posing as a
defender of the working class against the wicked elites. This is a man who
defends big sugar. Rots childrens teeth then we are told that fluoride is needed
in the water to deal with the consequences of that big sugar. True believer Tate
and Lyle (actually American Sugar Refining Inc) backs Brexit so that there can
be more cheap Carribbean and American sugar (rather than the wicked EU's sugar
beet) bundled into the cavities of UK children's teeth. Give me a break.
Yep, your usual reply, nothing to do with the article but find all you
can on the author,
It has every thing to do with the subject line. A certain Brendan O'neill
pontificating about the elites is a man who writes for the Torygraph and the
Spectator. Neither of which I suspect are top reading material in the pubs and
workers clubs of Toxteth or Bolsover. A climate change denying, same sex
marriage opposing, tooth rotting big sugar supporting, posh basher deploring
overpaid pumped up popinjay.
The Establishment is divided on Brexit. To suggest otherwise is blind denial.
Post by pullgees
and you piously talk about ad hominem Your tactic is
to enter into other issues in order to fog and eventually lose the
original subject, conveniently.
The pious talk concerns the narrative about the poor defenceless leave voting
working class versus the rich, powerful wicked remain elites. Yes it is fairly
obvious the BBC opposes Brexit. The BBC is also guilty of warmongering. An
obvious example was the constant refrain back in 2011 and 2012 that something
must be done about Assad who was "killing his own people". By that analogy
Abraham Lincoln was killing his own people. Both fought dirty wars and for the
simiar reason of mantaining the political coherency of their countries.
Since I'm not into supporting the nonsense that the Establishment is not divided
- that one side only (leave) has the monopoly of truth, justice and purity I'm
not going into excessive detail of the undesirables in the remain camp. The
worst arguably a lie of Remain was probably the bit about a leave vote requiring
an emergency budget. By way of contrast the leave camp spun a lie, put it on a
battlebus and spread the same message on billboards the length and breadth of
the land. The same lot that lied and lied and lied about AV because FPTP best
preserves the two party duopoly. The same lot that pontificate day and daily
about "unelected Brussels Bureaucrats" yet oppose tooth and nail an elected HoL
because such an appalling vista would threaten the FPTP elected Commons.
It is self evident that there are remain wealthy elites. Ken Clarke - you could
have mentioned his links with British-American Tobacco(Steve Bell used to much
mock him about this in cartoons). But at least the remain camp are not posing as
working class proletarian heroes.
Here is something to read about regarding Moggmentum's dear darling and scourge
of the wealthy elites Jacob Rees-Mogg:
Rees-Mogg's wife, the former Helena de Chair, brought her own
money to the marriage. She is the daughter of Lady Juliet Tadgell,
formerly Marchioness of Bristol, and ex-Tory MP, author and poet
Somerset de Chair. Lady Juliet is heir to the Fitzwilliam fortune
and has an estimated net worth of £45 million, all of which Helena
stands to inherit as her only surviving child. It was under one of
his mother-in-law's six Van Dycks that Rees-Mogg proposed to
Helena at Bourne Park, her mother's stately home in Kent, which
she also stands to inherit.
Post by pullgees Post by Altroy1
The BBC is counterbalanced by the constant denouncing of remoaner enemies,
traitors, rebels and mutineers by the Barclay Bros, USA billionaire, offshore
hedge fund owned press.
Not counter balanced at all, what's going on now is extremely
undemocratic and shameful.
No more shameful than the Farage declaration that a narrow remain win would not
resolve the situation and that the agitation to leave the EU would continue.
No more shameful than city banker Farage, mocking the EU parliament and
threatening them that Britain would not be the only country to leave. For good
measure, and to butress the point, he supported the Marine Le Pen campaign in
No more shameful than a tabloid, owned by an insanely rich offshore fund using
owner, labeling judges who decided that Parliament not the unelected Royal
Perogative would invoke A50 - "enemies of the people". The same article went on
to denounce one of the judges as a EU-loving poofter who, ugh, lived with his
Small wonder too many of these leavers want to bring back imperial measures,
beating children in school, the death penalty and put the poofs back into the
Posted on April 21, 2017 by odeboyz
"On the day that Theresa May triggered article 50, YouGov
published a survey of the things people whould like brought back
after Britain has left the EU. Top of the list was the death
penalty, with 52% of those who voted to leave wishing to see its
return. Other things that leavers were keen on were the return of
the dark blue passports, pre-decimal currency, imperial measures,
smoking in pubs and corporal punishment in schools. The idea that
voting to leave the EU was a vote for an exciting new world of
21st century sovereignty, rather than a desire to head back to a
nostalgic, rose-tinted vision fo the 1950s and 1960s Britain, is
harder to sustain."
Post by pullgees
Just think if more people had listen to the lies of the Remain campaign,
you would have have won! Oh the pain of it. You are just raving now, you
forgot the Russians by the way... Oh God I wish I hadn't mentioned that.
You're attacking me for diverting then you are, er, diverting.