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BurfordTJustice
2017-12-05 13:25:38 UTC
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For a start Britain should produce mre of its own food.

But where is the incentive to do so?




"Donald Jones, Cryzine" <***@remove-this.cryzine.com> wrote in message news:***@85.214.115.223...
: CZ2-01
: http://cryzine.com/2/01-Brexit-famine.html
:
: ‘We are not preparing for major food shortages’ says the Cabinet Office
:
: by Donald Jones
: Cryzine
: 5 Dec 2017
:
: Britain imports more than half its food, and even what it produces at
: home largely relies on labour from elsewhere in the EU. Yet the Cabinet
: Office says it knows nothing about the risk of food shortages.
:
: As the shape that will be taken by Britain's trading environment post-
: Brexit remains unclear, the Cabinet Office has formally denied having any
: information about even the possibility of major food shortages.
:
: The denial came in response to a Freedom of Information Act request that
: asked whether things remain the same now as they were in 2012, when the
: Cabinet Office issued a similar denial. For the purposes of the Act, the
: department also speaks on behalf of the Prime Minister's Office.
:
: Despite the present uncertainty as to whether trade talks between Britain
: and the EU will even commence, let alone the shape that any trade
: agreement might take, the denial by the Cabinet Office was categorical.
:
: Cryzine has seen copies of all three documents - the request and the two
: responses - none of which have yet been published.
:
: The request asked for "any documents (...) regarding the possible
: scenario of major food shortages or the threat of famine in the UK", a
: scenario defined as "shortages in which at least 1% of the population
: might be at risk of not getting enough to eat, unless emergency steps
: (are) taken".
:
: *****
: Could the finest moment of Thomas Malthus, said to be the canonical
: expresser of the Tory attitude towards the lower orders, be yet to come?
: *****
:
: It continues "These documents would include, for example, documents
: regarding the scenario which might arise if financial collapse brings a
: collapse of international trade, and importing food in the quantities in
: which it is currently imported then becomes difficult or impossible."
:
: The 2012 reply stated that "(the) Cabinet Office does not hold any
: information relating to the type of scenario you describe (...) (A)
: scenario of (that) severity is not considered likely in present
: circumstances".
:
: The second request, submitted last month, asked whether the statements
: made in 2012 are still true today, "given the decision to leave the EU
: and the consequent uncertainty including regarding the shape that will be
: assumed by the UK's foreign trade relations in the near future".
:
: The 2017 reply, released late last night, states in no uncertain fashion
: that "the statements made in (the 2012) response still hold today".
:
: The Cabinet Office repeats its unequivocal denial that it holds any
: information regarding emergency food stocks.
:
: It further states that "the UK has a highly effective and resilient food
: supply chain (and) the resilience of the sector has been demonstrated in
: response to potentially disruptive challenges in recent years", that "the
: food industry remains highly resilient owing to the capacity of food
: supply sectors and the high degree of substitutability of foodstuffs".
:
: It is not clear how substitutability can prevent starvation in a country
: such as Britain imports more than half its food.
:
: *****
: They know. They must know. Cryzine's advice: stock up on food now
: *****
:
: Explaining that "(the Government intends) to seek customs arrangements
: that facilitate trade relationships with our European partners", the
: Cabinet Office makes clear that it holds no papers regarding a possible
: failure to achieve its intention.
:
: The Cabinet Office's Nero-like denial comes in the face of statements by
: various players in the British food industry that there there could well
: be very serious problems.
:
: * The National Farmers' Union has revealed that British horticulture had
: a shortfall of 29% in its seasonal workforce in September, causing tons
: of fruit to be left to rot across the country.
:
: * Frazer Thompson, boss of Chapel Down, Britain's biggest winemaker, has
: said in no uncertain terms that if the agricultural labour issue is not
: sorted out after Brexit, Britain will "starve".
:
: * The chief executive of supermarket giant Sainsbury, Mike Coupe, has
: said that fresh food could be left rotting at the border if strict
: customs controls for EU goods are introduced after Brexit.
:
: * In an article published by the Royal Society, researchers have
: emphasised that Britain imports more than half its food and its animal
: feed
:
: * While the Tory right paint World Trade Organisation terms as if they
: are some kind of fallback in the event of "hard Brexit", the reality is
: that no country has the right to trade with another country without a
: trade agreement. In a country as reliant on food imports as Britain,
: famine remains a very real possibility if trade breaks down.
:
: * In July, leading food policy specialists in London, Sussex and Cardiff
: published a briefing paper entitled "A Food Brexit: Time to Get Real",
: warning that "the implications of Brexit for food are potentially
: enormous". They found not just that "the entire UK food system is
: dependent on migrant labour", but also "the UK food system faces real
: challenges on food security". Their conclusion was stark and terrifying:
: "The UK has no food policy".
:
: *****
: ‘Could a population readjustment, also known as FAMINE, be around the
: corner?
: *****
:
: In their words: "Supplies could be reduced, prices could become
: increasingly volatile, environmental sustainability could be further
: diminished, safety could be imperilled, inequalities could be amplified,
: and public trust be undermined. The just-in-time distribution systems,
: complex contracts, and labyrinthine supply chains cannot quickly or
: easily be restructured."
:
: But for the British government, it appears all can only possibly be
: hunkydory.
:
: We have to ask whether the finest moment for the wicked 19th century
: English curate Thomas Malthus, believed by astute critics to be the
: father of the quintessentially Tory and British ruling class attitude
: towards the lower orders, is not still to come. Could a population
: readjustment, also known as FAMINE, be around the corner?
:
: ###
p-0''0-h the cat (coder)
2017-12-05 14:00:11 UTC
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Post by BurfordTJustice
For a start Britain should produce mre of its own food.
I don't think bananas will grow here or olives or... cost effectively
anyway. We import American wheat because our cereals are better for cake
and beer production. They don't make good bread. It a gluten thing. And
soooo on and sooooooooooo on.

I don't think you have thought this through. We could live easily on
half the food we presently consume. Think of the savings in healthcare
and I wouldn't have to look at melon arses like you wobbling down the
street.

Bring back the war diet! Pass the Taramasalata Shit.
Post by BurfordTJustice
But where is the incentive to do so?
: CZ2-01
: http://cryzine.com/2/01-Brexit-famine.html
: ‘We are not preparing for major food shortages’ says the Cabinet Office
: by Donald Jones
: Cryzine
: 5 Dec 2017
: Britain imports more than half its food, and even what it produces at
: home largely relies on labour from elsewhere in the EU. Yet the Cabinet
: Office says it knows nothing about the risk of food shortages.
: As the shape that will be taken by Britain's trading environment post-
: Brexit remains unclear, the Cabinet Office has formally denied having any
: information about even the possibility of major food shortages.
: The denial came in response to a Freedom of Information Act request that
: asked whether things remain the same now as they were in 2012, when the
: Cabinet Office issued a similar denial. For the purposes of the Act, the
: department also speaks on behalf of the Prime Minister's Office.
: Despite the present uncertainty as to whether trade talks between Britain
: and the EU will even commence, let alone the shape that any trade
: agreement might take, the denial by the Cabinet Office was categorical.
: Cryzine has seen copies of all three documents - the request and the two
: responses - none of which have yet been published.
: The request asked for "any documents (...) regarding the possible
: scenario of major food shortages or the threat of famine in the UK", a
: scenario defined as "shortages in which at least 1% of the population
: might be at risk of not getting enough to eat, unless emergency steps
: (are) taken".
: *****
: Could the finest moment of Thomas Malthus, said to be the canonical
: expresser of the Tory attitude towards the lower orders, be yet to come?
: *****
: It continues "These documents would include, for example, documents
: regarding the scenario which might arise if financial collapse brings a
: collapse of international trade, and importing food in the quantities in
: which it is currently imported then becomes difficult or impossible."
: The 2012 reply stated that "(the) Cabinet Office does not hold any
: information relating to the type of scenario you describe (...) (A)
: scenario of (that) severity is not considered likely in present
: circumstances".
: The second request, submitted last month, asked whether the statements
: made in 2012 are still true today, "given the decision to leave the EU
: and the consequent uncertainty including regarding the shape that will be
: assumed by the UK's foreign trade relations in the near future".
: The 2017 reply, released late last night, states in no uncertain fashion
: that "the statements made in (the 2012) response still hold today".
: The Cabinet Office repeats its unequivocal denial that it holds any
: information regarding emergency food stocks.
: It further states that "the UK has a highly effective and resilient food
: supply chain (and) the resilience of the sector has been demonstrated in
: response to potentially disruptive challenges in recent years", that "the
: food industry remains highly resilient owing to the capacity of food
: supply sectors and the high degree of substitutability of foodstuffs".
: It is not clear how substitutability can prevent starvation in a country
: such as Britain imports more than half its food.
: *****
: They know. They must know. Cryzine's advice: stock up on food now
: *****
: Explaining that "(the Government intends) to seek customs arrangements
: that facilitate trade relationships with our European partners", the
: Cabinet Office makes clear that it holds no papers regarding a possible
: failure to achieve its intention.
: The Cabinet Office's Nero-like denial comes in the face of statements by
: various players in the British food industry that there there could well
: be very serious problems.
: * The National Farmers' Union has revealed that British horticulture had
: a shortfall of 29% in its seasonal workforce in September, causing tons
: of fruit to be left to rot across the country.
: * Frazer Thompson, boss of Chapel Down, Britain's biggest winemaker, has
: said in no uncertain terms that if the agricultural labour issue is not
: sorted out after Brexit, Britain will "starve".
: * The chief executive of supermarket giant Sainsbury, Mike Coupe, has
: said that fresh food could be left rotting at the border if strict
: customs controls for EU goods are introduced after Brexit.
: * In an article published by the Royal Society, researchers have
: emphasised that Britain imports more than half its food and its animal
: feed
: * While the Tory right paint World Trade Organisation terms as if they
: are some kind of fallback in the event of "hard Brexit", the reality is
: that no country has the right to trade with another country without a
: trade agreement. In a country as reliant on food imports as Britain,
: famine remains a very real possibility if trade breaks down.
: * In July, leading food policy specialists in London, Sussex and Cardiff
: published a briefing paper entitled "A Food Brexit: Time to Get Real",
: warning that "the implications of Brexit for food are potentially
: enormous". They found not just that "the entire UK food system is
: dependent on migrant labour", but also "the UK food system faces real
: "The UK has no food policy".
: *****
: ‘Could a population readjustment, also known as FAMINE, be around the
: corner?
: *****
: In their words: "Supplies could be reduced, prices could become
: increasingly volatile, environmental sustainability could be further
: diminished, safety could be imperilled, inequalities could be amplified,
: and public trust be undermined. The just-in-time distribution systems,
: complex contracts, and labyrinthine supply chains cannot quickly or
: easily be restructured."
: But for the British government, it appears all can only possibly be
: hunkydory.
: We have to ask whether the finest moment for the wicked 19th century
: English curate Thomas Malthus, believed by astute critics to be the
: father of the quintessentially Tory and British ruling class attitude
: towards the lower orders, is not still to come. Could a population
: readjustment, also known as FAMINE, be around the corner?
: ###
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 08:25:38 -0500, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
For a start Britain should produce mre of its own food.
I don't think bananas will grow here or olives or... cost effectively
anyway. We import American wheat because our cereals are better for cake
and beer production. They don't make good bread. It a gluten thing. And
soooo on and sooooooooooo on.
I don't think you have thought this through. We could live easily on
half the food we presently consume. Think of the savings in healthcare
and I wouldn't have to look at melon arses like you wobbling down the
street.
Bring back the war diet! Pass the Taramasalata Shit.
Pooh, does this mean we will have to drink British wine?

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You tell us where all the extra productive arable fields are hiding that we would need to cultivate, ie at least two extra field for every one we have at present. You see, there's no point in providing incentives unless what you hope to incentivise is actually possible.

Which it ain't.

Sorry, but we're way off self-sufficiency, have been ever since about 1800, and can't do anything at all about it.
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2017-12-05 14:07:03 UTC
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Since you speak it, it must be so, eh?
You tell us where all the extra productive arable fields are hiding that we
would need to cultivate, ie at least two extra field for every one we have
at present. You see, there's no point in providing incentives unless what
you hope to incentivise is actually possible.

Which it ain't.

Sorry, but we're way off self-sufficiency, have been ever since about 1800,
and can't do anything at all about it.
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2017-12-05 15:44:30 UTC
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Since you speak it, it must be so, eh?
You tell us where all the extra productive arable fields are hiding that we
would need to cultivate, ie at least two extra field for every one we have
at present. You see, there's no point in providing incentives unless what
you hope to incentivise is actually possible.
Which it ain't.
Sorry, but we're way off self-sufficiency, have been ever since about 1800,
and can't do anything at all about it.
you don't keep up just like all you end of the world loons

it will all go under glass in due course or we can sell tanks
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2017-12-05 16:05:41 UTC
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Post by BurfordTJustice
Since you speak it, it must be so, eh?
You tell us where all the extra productive arable fields are hiding that we
would need to cultivate, ie at least two extra field for every one we have
at present. You see, there's no point in providing incentives unless what
you hope to incentivise is actually possible.
Which it ain't.
Sorry, but we're way off self-sufficiency, have been ever since about 1800,
and can't do anything at all about it.
you don't keep up just like all you end of the world loons
it will all go under glass in due course or we can sell tanks
for bananas
Hydroponics is almost old tech nowadays. The quality is excellent both
organic and otherwise. I still have my vegetable patch though. It gives
the local cats somewhere to shit.

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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:07:03 -0500, "BurfordTJustice"
Post by BurfordTJustice
Since you speak it, it must be so, eh?
You tell us where all the extra productive arable fields are hiding that we
would need to cultivate, ie at least two extra field for every one we have
at present. You see, there's no point in providing incentives unless what
you hope to incentivise is actually possible.
Which it ain't.
Sorry, but we're way off self-sufficiency, have been ever since about 1800,
and can't do anything at all about it.
you don't keep up just like all you end of the world loons
it will all go under glass in due course or we can sell tanks
for bananas
Hydroponics is almost old tech nowadays. The quality is excellent both
organic and otherwise. I still have my vegetable patch though. It gives
the local cats somewhere to shit.
at least you don't live in the basement...

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no cat should live indoors
Yes, intuitively it just feels wrong despite the dangers.

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2017-12-05 18:19:15 UTC
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Not because I say so, but because it is so.

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For real!


"Byker" <***@do~rag.net> wrote in message news:4PSdnYn7Y5n_JrvHnZ2dnUU7-***@supernews.com...
: On Tuesday, December 5, 2017 at 11:16:54 AM UTC, Donald Jones, Cryzine
: > wrote:
: > CZ2-01
: > http://cryzine.com/2/01-Brexit-famine.html
: >
: > 'We are not preparing for major food shortages' says the Cabinet Office
: >
: > Britain imports more than half its food, and even what it produces at
home
: > largely relies on labour from elsewhere in the EU. Yet the Cabinet
Office
: > says it knows nothing about the risk of food shortages.
:
: You'd think that after all this time, queuing and rationing would be in be
: in British DNA: https://tinyurl.com/y8meey39
:
: More: https://tinyurl.com/y97h89to
:
: Also:
:
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-rationing-in-the-UK-only-end-in-1954-9-years-after-WW2
:
:
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