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pullgees
2017-12-01 17:59:30 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
Fredxx
2017-12-01 23:01:44 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-02 01:46:36 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of thing now).

What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there are allegations about his hands...

Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country before he retires a life of ease...

Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
Vidcapper
2017-12-02 07:33:04 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
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Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-02 11:41:19 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.

In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
Vidcapper
2017-12-02 12:08:25 UTC
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IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more
than Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all
over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as
with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out
for a decade or more at the following general election.
Though no doubt Labour Remainers would try to blame it on Brexit, rather
than any failings of their own... ;)
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In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no
mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
Other than another referendum years down the line?
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Paul Hyett, Cheltenham
pamela
2017-12-02 12:31:12 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to
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https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-
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I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
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Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have
done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper
grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if
you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and clicked images,
you would have got hundreds of thumbnails of a UK porn star
disrobed (Google filters that sort of thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course
there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue
to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit -
damaging the country before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far
more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008
all over again in spades. However barring some sort of
revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments
it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following
general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no
mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
I think that has to be true. Once the UK has severed important
trade relations and messed up diplomatic ties, it will be much
harder in future to undo the damage.

By wantig to offer a solution on the hard right, Brexiteers force
those in the moderate middle ground to choose betwen following
them or going to the left. They are kidding themselves that all
moderates will follw them.

Corbyn may be hated by many but he is, for some in the middle
ground, less hateful that what a hard Brexit has to offer.
Yellow
2017-12-02 13:16:03 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and McDonnell are
leavers. That is as clear as day.

And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too at the
moment, to increase their potential support while trying to weaken the
government, only an idiot would be fooled by them putting up Keir
Starmer as a front.

Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.

Good slogan eh?
pullgees
2017-12-02 17:23:08 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and McDonnell are
leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too at the
moment, to increase their potential support while trying to weaken the
government, only an idiot would be fooled by them putting up Keir
Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.

Peter Shore


Tony Benn


Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)

R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-03 11:10:17 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and McDonnell are
leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too at the
moment, to increase their potential support while trying to weaken the
government, only an idiot would be fooled by them putting up Keir
Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this would prevent them destroying market enterprise in the UK.

Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
pullgees
2017-12-03 12:37:19 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Post by R. Mark Clayton
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and McDonnell are
leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too at the
moment, to increase their potential support while trying to weaken the
government, only an idiot would be fooled by them putting up Keir
Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this > > would prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something you don't seem to grasp.
Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
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2017-12-03 14:48:26 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering.
Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
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Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not
have done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The
copper grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine
years ago if you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and
clicked images, you would have got hundreds of thumbnails
of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of
course there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will
continue to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard
Brexit - damaging the country before he retires a life of
ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak
indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country
far more than Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008
all over again in spades. However barring some sort of
revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist
governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the
following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is
no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and
McDonnell are leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too
at the moment, to increase their potential support while trying
to weaken the government, only an idiot would be fooled by them
putting up Keir Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including
Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and
that was before the political monster it's become. They knew
where it was heading.
Peter Shore http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this > > would
prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need
Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something
you don't seem to grasp.
Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an
enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
Many people call socialists they strongly dislike; fascists.

Best example I can think of is Hitler, probably for good reason, except
we forget why his National Socialist German Workers' Party was so popular.
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-03 17:38:30 UTC
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering.
Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
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Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not
have done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The
copper grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine
years ago if you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and
clicked images, you would have got hundreds of thumbnails
of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of
course there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will
continue to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard
Brexit - damaging the country before he retires a life of
ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak
indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country
far more than Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008
all over again in spades. However barring some sort of
revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist
governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the
following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is
no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and
McDonnell are leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too
at the moment, to increase their potential support while trying
to weaken the government, only an idiot would be fooled by them
putting up Keir Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including
Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and
that was before the political monster it's become. They knew
where it was heading.
Peter Shore http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this > > would
prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need
Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something
you don't seem to grasp.
Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an
enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy
than you will ever have.
Many people call socialists they strongly dislike; fascists.
Best example I can think of is Hitler, probably for good reason, except
we forget why his National Socialist German Workers' Party was so popular.
because it nationalist and socialist, pandered to undreducated people's prejudices and would make Germany great again...
R. Mark Clayton
2017-12-03 17:37:06 UTC
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SNIP
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Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this
would prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something you don't seem to grasp.
That is my opinion, but difficult to prove.
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Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
Absolutely true - I heard them both first hand explicitly state that that was what the country needed. Hardly a surprise for Moseley, as he literally was a fascist, however I was deeply shocked when Benn promoted the same idea!

Referred to extensively here: -
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldhansrd/vo060613/text/60613-11.htm
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2017-12-03 23:45:53 UTC
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Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this
would prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something you don't seem to grasp.
That is my opinion, but difficult to prove.
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Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
Absolutely true - I heard them both first hand explicitly state that that was what the country needed. Hardly a surprise for Moseley, as he literally was a fascist, however I was deeply shocked when Benn promoted the same idea!
Referred to extensively here: -
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldhansrd/vo060613/text/60613-11.htm
You heard Moseley? Are you a centenarian then? Is there a politician that hasn't tried to break the rule book? Comparing Benn to Moseley is ridiculous.
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Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this
would prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something you don't seem to grasp.
That is my opinion, but difficult to prove.
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Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
Absolutely true - I heard them both first hand explicitly state that that was what the country needed. Hardly a surprise for Moseley, as he literally was a fascist, however I was deeply shocked when Benn promoted the same idea!
Referred to extensively here: -
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldhansrd/vo060613/text/60613-11.htm
You heard Moseley? Are you a centenarian then? Is there a politician that hasn't tried to break the rule book? Comparing Benn to Moseley is ridiculous.
Mosley appeared on television in the 1960s and the recordings still exist.

My earliest memory of him (entirely in the abstract) was around 1960,
when on the blank wall of my primary school appreared the (large) graffiti:

"God bless Sir Oswald Mosley - Keep Britain White".

It would be more than a decade before I knew who Mosley was, though news
items at the time refrred to someone called Colin Jordan.
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Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Many in Labour pre-Blair dynasty, Benn, Foot, Shore, including Corbyn were always opposed to Britain being in the then EEC and that was before the political monster it's become. They knew where it was heading.
Peter Shore
http://youtu.be/gHIidBgwyTA
Tony Benn
http://youtu.be/nWnpbEMMsNw
Michael Foot (scroll to 21.48)
http://youtu.be/usJUMOlpE24
They were opposed to EC/EU membership because this
would prevent them destroying market enterprise in > > the UK.
Prove it. What you suggest could not be enforced, it would need Democracy to enable it or repel it. That's the whole point, something you don't seem to grasp.
That is my opinion, but difficult to prove.
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Benn was a fascist and in common with Oswald Moseley > promoted an enablement act (i.e. rule by decree).
Utter rubbish. Benn had more sense of the importance of Democracy than you will ever have.
Absolutely true - I heard them both first hand explicitly state that that was what the country needed. Hardly a surprise for Moseley, as he literally was a fascist, however I was deeply shocked when Benn promoted the same idea!
Referred to extensively here: -
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200506/ldhansrd/vo060613/text/60613-11.htm
You heard Moseley? Are you a centenarian then? Is there a politician that hasn't tried to break the rule book? Comparing Benn to Moseley is ridiculous.
Mosley appeared on television in the 1960s and the recordings still exist.
My earliest memory of him (entirely in the abstract) was around 1960,
"God bless Sir Oswald Mosley - Keep Britain White".
It would be more than a decade before I knew who Mosley was, though news
items at the time refrred to someone called Colin Jordan.
Fair enough but Mosley calling for an enablement act similar to Hitler's was I think in the Thirties. I can't find much on this when I googled it except Hitler's desire to bypass the Reichstag.
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call
Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
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Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on
his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today
was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May"
into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of
thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of
thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there
are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall
the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country
before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more than
Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all over again in spades. However barring some sort of revolution, as with previous spendthrift socialist governments it would be voted out for a decade or more at the following general election.
In the long run Brexit is probably more damaging, as there is no mechanism to overturn the wafer thin majority to leave.
But we would still leave the EU too because Corbyn and McDonnell are
leavers. That is as clear as day.
And just because they are trying to ride the remain horse too at the
moment, to increase their potential support while trying to weaken the
government, only an idiot would be fooled by them putting up Keir
Starmer as a front.
Vote Labour, get Marxism, get Brexit.
Good slogan eh?
Rees-Mogg was on the Andrew Marr show this morning and said that as
long as there is a *transition* period after March 2019 during which
we will still be paying our EU contribution, still be part of the
single market and customs union, and still recognising the ECJ, then
we won't have left in March 2019. He was quite clear that there is a
difference between an *implementation* period and a *transition*
period. Originally, he said Theresa May was talking about an
implementation period, which WOULD mean we had left after March 2019.
But not if it's a transition period, which is what is referred to now
when the subject comes up.

Also, in the House on 28 Nov 17, Rees-Mogg was scathing about the
government's withholding of certain impact assessments from the
Exiting the European Union select committee. He wasn't the only Tory
speaking against the government on this issue. Note that Rees-Mogg is
a hardened Brexiter.

MM
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to
call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
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I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done
it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing
him today was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had
typed "Teresa May" into Google and clicked images, you would have
got hundreds of thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google
filters that sort of thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course
there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to
stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging
the country before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
IMO a socialist gov't under Corbyn would hurt the country far more
than Brexit ever could.
In the short term they would - it would be 1967, 1977 or 2008 all
over again in spades.
In 2007 David Cameron said he would match Labour spending and Tories led
by John Redwood were doing their best to further deregulate banking.

Just think what a bigger mess the country could have been in if
controlled by Tories.

Rejoice labour was in power.
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country before he retires a life of ease...
Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
I totally agree with you (for once :-)

Succinctly put.
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Well good riddance if he does, he's not delivering. Time to call Jacob Rees Mogg from the wilderness.
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/brexit-secretary-david-davis-reportedly-threatens-quit-damian-green-sacked/
I was thinking whether May had the balls to take up his offer!
Green may or may not have viewed port. He should not have done it on his work PC, but there is no crime. The copper grassing him today was being disingenuous. Nine years ago if you had typed "Teresa May" into Google and clicked images, you would have got hundreds of thumbnails of a UK porn star disrobed (Google filters that sort of thing now).
What is a problem is whether he is lying, and then of course there are allegations about his hands...
Most likely Green will resign, Davis won't and will continue to stall the negotiations so as to ensure a hard Brexit - damaging the country before he retires a life of ease...
Green must not be forced to resign over this and I really do fear for
the UK and its relationship with what is right and what is wrong if he
is.
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Overall the prognosis for May's government is bleak indeed.
Which is why the retired coppers have done what they have done.

But surely if anyone has broken the law, they have? And if they haven't
the law clearly needs to be changed!
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