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SJW speech police now targetting the use of 'committed suicide'
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Incubus
2018-06-08 13:48:12 UTC
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The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
this:

http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html

Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.

On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
changes.

I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
Joe Clanton
2018-06-08 14:55:29 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:

Words have different meanings depending upon context.

<http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>

> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
> one another in matrimony

meaning 8


and that developers should not commit their code
> changes.
>
meaning 2 or meaning 5

> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>

again meaning 2 or meaning 5

Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.

As there is clearly nothing wrong with suicide in today's world, I
suggest you commit sodomy off.
Incubus
2018-06-08 15:04:06 UTC
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On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>
> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>
><http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>
>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>> one another in matrimony
>
> meaning 8
>
>
> and that developers should not commit their code
>> changes.
>>
> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>
>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>
>
> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>
> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.

So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression and
we are not to think ill of it.
Joe Clanton
2018-06-08 15:15:34 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:

>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>
> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression and
> we are not to think ill of it.
>

Yes that is the way I read it.

Surprising really, the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of
people were saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.
Incubus
2018-06-08 15:27:17 UTC
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On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>
>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>
>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression
>> and we are not to think ill of it.
>>
>
> Yes that is the way I read it.
>
> Surprising really, the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of
> people were saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.

It does cause a lot of anger, in part because people find it extremely hard to
accept what happened. I suspect part of it can be a deflection of the blame
they feel for themselves.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2018-06-08 15:33:17 UTC
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 16:15:34 +0100, Joe Clanton
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>
>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>
>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression and
>> we are not to think ill of it.
>>
>
>Yes that is the way I read it.
>
>Surprising really, the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of
>people were saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.

Money, he owed them?
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The Peeler
2018-06-08 19:34:58 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:33:17 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:

>>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>>
>>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression and
>>> we are not to think ill of it.
>>>
>>
>>Yes that is the way I read it.
>>
>>Surprising really, the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of
>>people were saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.
>
> Money, he owed them?

Guess how many people will go to your funeral, dumb housebound Razovic? If
you are very lucky somebody might visit your grave eventually to piss on it!

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Basil Jet
2018-06-08 16:46:39 UTC
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On 2018\06\08 16:15, Joe Clanton wrote:
>
> the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of
> people were saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed
> himself.

Why did he do it?

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Joe Clanton
2018-06-08 16:54:34 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 17:46, Basil Jet wrote:
> On 2018\06\08 16:15, Joe Clanton wrote:
>>
>> the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of people were
>> saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.
>
> Why did he do it?
>

Dunno?

Recent divorce meant he would have to sell his home, Failure of a recent
business venture, young girlfriend trying to extort money from him,
didn't like getting old. Maybe all four.
Basil Jet
2018-06-12 11:20:08 UTC
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On 2018\06\08 17:54, Joe Clanton wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 17:46, Basil Jet wrote:
>> On 2018\06\08 16:15, Joe Clanton wrote:
>>>
>>> the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of people were
>>> saying how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.
>>
>> Why did he do it?
>>
>
> Dunno?
>
> Recent divorce meant he would have to sell his home, Failure of a recent
> business venture, young girlfriend trying to extort money from him,
> didn't like getting old. Maybe all four.

Women put him in a situation where he'd rather be dead, and "a lot of
people" were pissed off with him? Would these "a lot of people" be women?


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Tim
2018-06-08 15:53:10 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
> On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>>
>> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>>
>> <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>>
>>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>>> one another in matrimony
>>
>> meaning 8
>>
>>
>> and that developers should not commit their code
>>> changes.
>>>
>> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>
>>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>>
>>
>> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>
>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>
> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression and
> we are not to think ill of it.
>

It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they
are/were criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral
judgements on the wrongs of suicide.

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Incubus
2018-06-08 15:57:49 UTC
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On 2018-06-08, Tim <***@gatty.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>> On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>>>
>>> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>>>
>>> <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>>>
>>>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit
>>>> to one another in matrimony
>>>
>>> meaning 8
>>>
>>>
>>> and that developers should not commit their code
>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>
>>>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>>>
>>>
>>> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>
>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>
>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression
>> and we are not to think ill of it.
>>
>
> It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
> mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they are/were
> criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral judgements on the
> wrongs of suicide.

I don't believe that referring to the act as committing suicide is treating
them as criminals.
Tim
2018-06-08 16:13:58 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 16:57, Incubus wrote:
> On 2018-06-08, Tim <***@gatty.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>>>>
>>>>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit
>>>>> to one another in matrimony
>>>>
>>>> meaning 8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and that developers should not commit their code
>>>>> changes.
>>>>>
>>>> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>>
>>>>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>>
>>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>>
>>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of self-expression
>>> and we are not to think ill of it.
>>>
>>
>> It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
>> mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they are/were
>> criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral judgements on the
>> wrongs of suicide.
>
> I don't believe that referring to the act as committing suicide is treating
> them as criminals.
>


Point taken. I would tend to agree with you it's a little over the top
re the use of language(and I'm probably more of an SJW than most here) .
To take another example would one really criticise a teacher for saying
"The student committed himself to passing his exams" ?

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Ophelia
2018-06-08 20:16:36 UTC
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"Incubus" wrote in message news:pfe91t$mno$***@dont-email.me...

On 2018-06-08, Tim <***@gatty.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>> On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>>>
>>> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>>>
>>> <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>>>
>>>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not
>>>> commit
>>>> to one another in matrimony
>>>
>>> meaning 8
>>>
>>>
>>> and that developers should not commit their code
>>>> changes.
>>>>
>>> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>
>>>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>>>
>>>
>>> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>
>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>
>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of
>> self-expression
>> and we are not to think ill of it.
>>
>
> It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
> mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they
> are/were
> criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral judgements on
> the
> wrongs of suicide.

I don't believe that referring to the act as committing suicide is treating
them as criminals.

==

Anyway it is a bit late to worry about it after the event!
The Todal
2018-06-08 18:32:21 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 16:53, Tim wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:

>>
>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of
>> self-expression and
>> we are not to think ill of it.
>>
>
> It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
> mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they
> are/were criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral
> judgements on the wrongs of suicide.
>

What they need is whatever will dissuade them from killing themselves.
Ask them if they have a religious faith and whether they think their
proposed action is consistent with those beliefs. And what might be more
effective is to remind them of any friends or relatives whose lives will
be ruined if they kill themeselves. Suicidal people often say "my
mother/wife/child will be better off without me" and this lazy, selfish
thinking needs to be challenged gently but firmly.
jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry' Shein's jew aliash)
2018-06-08 14:55:31 UTC
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:48:12 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

>The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
>heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
>this:
>
>http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>
>Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
>'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>
>On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>changes.
>
>I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.

But suicide is illegal, so it does fit.
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The Peeler
2018-06-08 19:34:33 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 07:55:31 -0700, serbian bitch Razovic, the resident
psychopath of sci and scj and Usenet's famous sexual cripple, making an ass
of herself as "jew pedophile Ron Jacobson (jew pedophile Baruch 'Barry'
Shein's jew aliash)", farted again:

>>On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>>one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>>changes.
>>
>>I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>
> But suicide is illegal, so it does fit.

You need to be committed to an institution, psychotic dreckserb!

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Phi
2018-06-08 18:11:55 UTC
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"Joe Clanton" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 08/06/2018 17:46, Basil Jet wrote:
>> On 2018\06\08 16:15, Joe Clanton wrote:
>>>
>>> the last funeral I went to was a suicide and a lot of people were saying
>>> how pissed off they were that the guy had killed himself.
>>
>> Why did he do it?
>>
>
> Dunno?
>
> Recent divorce meant he would have to sell his home, Failure of a recent
> business venture, young girlfriend trying to extort money from him, didn't
> like getting old. Maybe all four.
>


Committed suet pudding is an own death by honour
Phi
2018-06-08 18:16:12 UTC
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"Tim" <***@gatty.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 08/06/2018 16:57, Incubus wrote:
>> On 2018-06-08, Tim <***@gatty.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 08/06/2018 16:04, Incubus wrote:
>>>> On 2018-06-08, Joe Clanton <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Words have different meanings depending upon context.
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commit>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not
>>>>>> commit
>>>>>> to one another in matrimony
>>>>>
>>>>> meaning 8
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and that developers should not commit their code
>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> again meaning 2 or meaning 5
>>>>>
>>>>> Meaning 6 "to do; perform; perpetrate:" is indeed used pejoratively.
>>>>
>>>> So the SJWs are saying suicide is a perfectly good form of
>>>> self-expression
>>>> and we are not to think ill of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's not a healthy thing, but then those who attempt/die by suicide are
>>> mentally ill or troubled and don't need people acting as though they
>>> are/were
>>> criminals. People who are suicidal need support not moral judgements on
>>> the
>>> wrongs of suicide.
>>
>> I don't believe that referring to the act as committing suicide is
>> treating
>> them as criminals.
>>
>
>
> Point taken. I would tend to agree with you it's a little over the top re
> the use of language(and I'm probably more of an SJW than most here) . To
> take another example would one really criticise a teacher for saying "The
> student committed himself to passing his exams" ?
>
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I consider commit means to go beyond the point of no return.
BurfordTJustice
2018-06-08 17:48:22 UTC
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is not suicide against the law?

So he dies a criminal.




"Incubus" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
: heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
: instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research
uncovered
: this:
:
: http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
:
: Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the
word
: 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
:
: On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit
to
: one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
: changes.
:
: I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
The Todal
2018-06-08 18:27:01 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
> instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
> this:
>
> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>
> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>
> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
> changes.
>
> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>

I prefer "committed suicide" to "took his own life" which always strikes
me as an ugly euphemism. Took it? From whom or where?
Incubus
2018-06-11 08:42:08 UTC
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On 2018-06-08, The Todal <***@icloud.com> wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
>> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>> instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>>
>> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
>> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>>
>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>> changes.
>>
>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>
>
> I prefer "committed suicide" to "took his own life" which always strikes
> me as an ugly euphemism. Took it? From whom or where?

In Danish, it is called 'selvmord' - self-murder.
BurfordTJustice
2018-06-08 20:11:02 UTC
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"Incubus" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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: The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
: heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
: instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research
uncovered
: this:
:
: http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
:
: Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the
word
: 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
:
: On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit
to
: one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
: changes.
:
: I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
Ian Jackson
2018-06-08 20:14:23 UTC
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In message <pfe1es$1jm$***@dont-email.me>, Incubus
<***@gmail.com> writes
>The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
>heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
>this:
>
>http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>
>Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
>'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>
>On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>changes.
>
>I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.

Until 1961, except for Scotland, suicide was a crime in the UK.
Wikipedia says:
"Suicide is defined as the act of intentionally ending one's own life.
Before the Suicide Act 1961, it was a crime to commit suicide, and
anyone who attempted and failed could be prosecuted and imprisoned,
while the families of those who succeeded could also potentially be
prosecuted."

Anyone doing it (successful or not) was (in common parlance) "committing
a crime".
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Ian
AndyW
2018-06-11 06:52:23 UTC
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On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
> instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
> this:
>
> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>
> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>
> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
> changes.
>
> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>

SJW may be banging this drum but there are valid reasons not to use it.
I work with vulnerable people and recently completed a Mental Heath
first aid course that includes a lot of suicide talk-down and discussion
with a person in suicide crisis.
Using the term 'commit suicide' may worsen the situation due to the
mental connection of commit with crime and sin and unless you know the
person and their background with religion, crime etc it is much better
to avoid the term altogether.

We are supposed to avoid all talk of religion and using shame "eg think
of your wife and kids if you do this" as this can also send a person in
crisis over the edge

Trying to stop the use of the term 'commit suicide' is valid but
preventing the use of commit code changes or commit to a project is just
silly.
Sadly there are SJW who will see the word 'commit' as the problem and
not the underlying shame that some will feel about 'committing suicide'.

Andy
The Todal
2018-06-11 09:49:00 UTC
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On 11/06/2018 07:52, AndyW wrote:
> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I
>> haven't
>> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>> instead.  I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research
>> uncovered
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>>
>> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use
>> the word
>> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>>
>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not
>> commit to
>> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>> changes.
>>
>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>
>
> SJW may be banging this drum but there are valid reasons not to use it.
> I work with vulnerable people and recently completed a Mental Heath
> first aid course that includes a lot of suicide talk-down and discussion
> with a person in suicide crisis.
> Using the term 'commit suicide' may worsen the situation due to the
> mental connection of commit with crime and sin and unless you know the
> person and their background with religion, crime etc it is much better
> to avoid the term altogether.
>
> We are supposed to avoid all talk of religion and using shame "eg think
> of your wife and kids if you do this" as this can also send a person in
> crisis over the edge


I disagree. When I was a Samaritan volunteer many years ago, there was
certainly an emphasis on not trying to offer specific advice and not
peddling one's own religious views. But reminding a person of the effect
suicide will have on their family cannot be a bad thing and I'm sure it
helped in at least one case I dealt with. The person had already
mentioned that he had children. I asked "how would you like to be
remembered". He agreed that this was something he hadn't really thought
about.

If the family relationships are badly fractured, then perhaps there's
not much to live for.
abelard
2018-06-11 10:23:46 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:52:23 +0100, AndyW <***@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

>On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I haven't
>> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>> instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research uncovered
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>>
>> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the word
>> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>>
>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit to
>> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>> changes.
>>
>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>
>
>SJW may be banging this drum but there are valid reasons not to use it.
>I work with vulnerable people and recently completed a Mental Heath
>first aid course that includes a lot of suicide talk-down and discussion
>with a person in suicide crisis.
>Using the term 'commit suicide' may worsen the situation due to the
>mental connection of commit with crime and sin and unless you know the
>person and their background with religion, crime etc it is much better
>to avoid the term altogether.
>
>We are supposed to avoid all talk of religion and using shame "eg think
>of your wife and kids if you do this" as this can also send a person in
>crisis over the edge
>
>Trying to stop the use of the term 'commit suicide' is valid but
>preventing the use of commit code changes or commit to a project is just
>silly.
>Sadly there are SJW who will see the word 'commit' as the problem and
>not the underlying shame that some will feel about 'committing suicide'.

every person is different...and that includes those faced
with people threatening to kill themselves
not just those *threatening* self destruction...

some even have plausible reasons...

thus i don't really understand the content of your post



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Vidcapper
2018-06-12 06:46:57 UTC
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On 11/06/2018 11:23, abelard wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:52:23 +0100, AndyW <***@nojunqmail.com> wrote:

>> Sadly there are SJW who will see the word 'commit' as the problem and
>> not the underlying shame that some will feel about 'committing suicide'.
>
> every person is different...and that includes those faced
> with people threatening to kill themselves
> not just those *threatening* self destruction...
>
> some even have plausible reasons...
>
> thus i don't really understand the content of your post
>

Anyone considering suicide has for bigger problems than the trivial one
of describing the act!


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abelard
2018-06-12 10:52:05 UTC
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:46:57 +0100, Vidcapper <***@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 11/06/2018 11:23, abelard wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 07:52:23 +0100, AndyW <***@nojunqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Sadly there are SJW who will see the word 'commit' as the problem and
>>> not the underlying shame that some will feel about 'committing suicide'.
>>
>> every person is different...and that includes those faced
>> with people threatening to kill themselves
>> not just those *threatening* self destruction...
>>
>> some even have plausible reasons...
>>
>> thus i don't really understand the content of your post
>>
>
>Anyone considering suicide has for bigger problems than the trivial one
>of describing the act!

or the people around them have

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Phi
2018-06-11 08:17:20 UTC
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"AndyW" <***@nojunqmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 08/06/2018 14:48, Incubus wrote:
>> The SJWs have been criticising the papers for saying that a chef I
>> haven't
>> heard of 'committed suicide' saying they should write 'died by suicide'
>> instead. I had not heard of such an odd objection and my research
>> uncovered
>> this:
>>
>> http://www.suicide.org/stop-saying-committed-suicide.html
>>
>> Apparently, 'criminals commit crimes' so you're not supposed to use the
>> word
>> 'commit' in the context of dispatching one's self.
>>
>> On the same basis, perhaps we should expect that people should not commit
>> to
>> one another in matrimony and that developers should not commit their code
>> changes.
>>
>> I hope everyone reading this will commit it to memory.
>>
>
> SJW may be banging this drum but there are valid reasons not to use it.
> I work with vulnerable people and recently completed a Mental Heath first
> aid course that includes a lot of suicide talk-down and discussion with a
> person in suicide crisis.
> Using the term 'commit suicide' may worsen the situation due to the mental
> connection of commit with crime and sin and unless you know the person and
> their background with religion, crime etc it is much better to avoid the
> term altogether.
>
> We are supposed to avoid all talk of religion and using shame "eg think of
> your wife and kids if you do this" as this can also send a person in
> crisis over the edge
>
> Trying to stop the use of the term 'commit suicide' is valid but
> preventing the use of commit code changes or commit to a project is just
> silly.
> Sadly there are SJW who will see the word 'commit' as the problem and not
> the underlying shame that some will feel about 'committing suicide'.
>
> Andy


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