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"Take back control" was not asked in the referendum
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pamela
2018-05-09 10:29:18 UTC
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord Callanan
said:

"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."

I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.

Brexiteers are clutching at straws.
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Brexit clown car.
Mike Swift
2018-05-09 10:42:36 UTC
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"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave the EU.
It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how many times such
slogans get used.
Not the same one as you obviously, you lost, we're leaving, get over it.

Mike
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Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
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pamela
2018-05-09 18:14:09 UTC
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"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Not the same one as you obviously, you lost, we're leaving, get over it.
Mike
Have you been misled by false slogans? It doesn't mention taking
back control in this question:

"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union
or leave the European Union?"
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Now the wheels are coming off the Brexit clown car.
Norman Wells
2018-05-09 19:41:49 UTC
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"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Not the same one as you obviously, you lost, we're leaving, get over it.
Mike
Have you been misled by false slogans? It doesn't mention taking
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union
or leave the European Union?"
I've asked you before but you were unable to answer, what exactly do we
have to do to leave 'in name only' which is your preferred solution.
Have you got any idea yet?
pamela
2018-05-10 10:19:48 UTC
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord
"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to
leave the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no
matter how many times such slogans get used.
Not the same one as you obviously, you lost, we're leaving, get over it.
Mike
Have you been misled by false slogans? It doesn't mention taking
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European
Union or leave the European Union?"
I've asked you before but you were unable to answer, what exactly
do we have to do to leave 'in name only' which is your preferred
solution. Have you got any idea yet?
BRINO. Move on, now.
Norman Wells
2018-05-10 11:05:41 UTC
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Have you been misled by false slogans? It doesn't mention taking
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European
Union or leave the European Union?"
I've asked you before but you were unable to answer, what exactly
do we have to do to leave 'in name only' which is your preferred
solution. Have you got any idea yet?
BRINO. Move on, now.
So, you have no answer yet again, and no idea.

Thanks for confirming that.
Fredxx
2018-05-09 21:38:22 UTC
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"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Not the same one as you obviously, you lost, we're leaving, get over it.
Mike
Have you been misled by false slogans? It doesn't mention taking
"Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union
or leave the European Union?"
You're a very poor loser.
Ian Jackson
2018-05-09 22:02:49 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
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Ian
Fredxx
2018-05-09 22:16:12 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't seen
a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase. In
part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the likes of me.

You don't work, do you?
Pelican
2018-05-09 22:22:20 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't seen
a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
That's a phenomena seen in quite a few countries.
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part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the likes of me.
That simply isn't true, although you might like to think it is.
Fredxx
2018-05-09 23:07:29 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
That's a phenomena seen in quite a few countries.
Post by Fredxx
In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the
likes of me.
That simply isn't true, although you might like to think it is.
Sounds like denial to me.
Pelican
2018-05-10 02:24:06 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
That's a phenomena seen in quite a few countries.
Post by Fredxx
In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the
likes of me.
That simply isn't true, although you might like to think it is.
Sounds like denial to me.
You won't like the consequences, but the populations of many countries
are aging, and the populations are not growing or are dropping. That
means there won't be enough taxpayers to pay for the various goods and
services provided by governments into the future. That's why
immigration is important.

All you are reflecting is a knowledge deficiency in economics and
demographics. And, of course, xenophobia.
Fredxx
2018-05-10 10:00:30 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
That's a phenomena seen in quite a few countries.
Post by Fredxx
In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the
likes of me.
That simply isn't true, although you might like to think it is.
Sounds like denial to me.
You won't like the consequences, but the populations of many countries
are aging, and the populations are not growing or are dropping.  That
means there won't be enough taxpayers to pay for the various goods and
services provided by governments into the future.  That's why
immigration is important.
We should make arrangements so we can stand on our own 2 feet, or we're
storing even more problems in the future.

Brexit may never have happened if successive governments ensured the
country's infrastructure, like roads and houses, kept pace with
immigration, but hey.
Post by Pelican
All you are reflecting is a knowledge deficiency in economics and
demographics.  And, of course, xenophobia.
When a Remainer shows his true self calling others names, he knows he's
lost any semblance of an argument.
Ian Jackson
2018-05-10 06:49:32 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't seen
a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase. In
part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price rises.
Post by Fredxx
You don't work, do you?
Nab! Mug's game. After 44 years of NI contributions, I thought I'd
better step aside and give others a chance.
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Ian
Fredxx
2018-05-10 10:01:34 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
 You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the
likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price rises.
My increase in pay will compensate many years of future inflation.
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Post by Fredxx
You don't work, do you?
Nab! Mug's game. After 44 years of NI contributions, I thought I'd
better step aside and give others a chance.
Thought so.
MM
2018-05-10 12:36:07 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
 You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase.
In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the
likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price rises.
My increase in pay will compensate many years of future inflation.
With your increase in pay comes an increase in the amount of taxes
you're obligated to pay, which is good to know for us pensioners, who
need free prescriptions, bus passes and so on.

MM
Ian Jackson
2018-05-10 13:14:05 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
 You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay
increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand
for the likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price rises.
My increase in pay will compensate many years of future inflation.
Lucky you!
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Post by Fredxx
You don't work, do you?
Nab! Mug's game. After 44 years of NI contributions, I thought I'd
better step aside and give others a chance.
Thought so.
I'm sorry if I'm a burden on society,
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Ian
pamela
2018-05-10 14:51:40 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
 You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I
haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay
increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price
rises.
My increase in pay will compensate many years of future inflation.
Lucky you!
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Post by Ian Jackson
Post by Fredxx
You don't work, do you?
Nab! Mug's game. After 44 years of NI contributions, I thought I'd
better step aside and give others a chance.
Thought so.
I'm sorry if I'm a burden on society,
Rearrange the following words into a sentence....

shoulder chip Fredxx has a
pamela
2018-05-10 14:44:22 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
 You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I
haven't seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial
pay increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You'll need it to compensate for some of the recent price rises.
My increase in pay will compensate many years of future inflation.
If you have finally got a pay increase then perhaps you will stop
parading your misery and moaning about how well other people have been
doing at your expense.
pamela
2018-05-10 10:21:28 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay
increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job doesn't
make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Fredxx
2018-05-10 10:24:23 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay
increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job doesn't
make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Just because you're too lazy to work doesn't mean others have good jobs
which are now getting better.
MM
2018-05-10 12:36:56 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't
seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay
increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job doesn't
make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Just because you're too lazy to work doesn't mean others have good jobs
which are now getting better.
Did pamela ever say she's a pensioner, then?

MM
pamela
2018-05-10 14:49:36 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I
haven't seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had
substantial pay increase. In part helped by the reduced
immigration and more demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job
doesn't make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Just because you're too lazy to work doesn't mean others have good
jobs which are now getting better.
Did pamela ever say she's a pensioner, then?
MM
I mentioned to Fred I had to stop working through ill health and may
not work again although I do not draw a state pension. Sadly,
Fredxx's posts are littered with envy about other workers because he
feels he's been overlooked for rises and blames foreign workers for
causing his plight.

Fredxx jas long seemed uneasy that I want good value for the money I
spend - rather than feathering workers' nests by paying generously
over the going rate for goods or services for protected jobs.

Hopefully his recent pay rise will allow him to come out of his
shell of envy.
pamela
2018-05-10 20:13:49 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I
haven't seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial
pay increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job
doesn't make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Just because you're too lazy to work doesn't mean others have good
jobs which are now getting better.
You seem bitter. It doesn't reflect well on you.

You often post messages during the working day (the one above was at
11.24am), so it's not really a surprise your employers have had
reservations about the worth of your contribution.
Fredxx
2018-05-10 20:44:10 UTC
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I
haven't seen a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial
pay increase. In part helped by the reduced immigration and more
demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
Ho hum, Fred. Just because you're not successful at your job
doesn't make it a cause celebre for everyone.
Just because you're too lazy to work doesn't mean others have good
jobs which are now getting better.
You seem bitter. It doesn't reflect well on you.
You often post messages during the working day (the one above was at
11.24am), so it's not really a surprise your employers have had
reservations about the worth of your contribution.
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.

Any bitterness here is from failing to embrace Brexit.
MM
2018-05-12 08:24:11 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping right
now?

MM
pamela
2018-05-12 11:48:43 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK depressing
wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means the departure
of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand higher wages.
It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
Fredxx
2018-05-12 12:22:45 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK depressing
wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means the departure
of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand higher wages.
It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.

If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower in-work
benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
pamela
2018-05-12 13:19:20 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do
work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work. I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.

If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.

Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
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Brexit is a massive con job.
Now the wheels are coming off the Brexit clown car.
Fredxx
2018-05-12 13:37:45 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
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I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
MM
2018-05-13 11:36:32 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
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Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-13 20:03:29 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
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Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
MM
2018-05-14 07:48:44 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.

MM
JNugent
2018-05-14 09:47:15 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.

They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.

This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
Fredxx
2018-05-14 10:23:37 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work,
seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
MM
2018-05-15 11:20:27 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.

When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-15 19:18:42 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
Post by MM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
MM
2018-05-17 09:32:09 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Did you not get that I'm retired?
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
Post by MM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-17 23:22:03 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any
interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Did you not get that I'm retired?
I get it, but that doesn't change the simple fact you're lazy and expect
everyone else to work, and then chastise them because they're UK citizens.
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
Post by MM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
MM
2018-05-18 10:30:10 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
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Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any
interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Did you not get that I'm retired?
I get it, but that doesn't change the simple fact you're lazy and expect
everyone else to work, and then chastise them because they're UK citizens.
I do expect everyone *of working age* to work. Retirement means one
isn't required to work for one's living.

'Bout time you accepted that. Otherwise everyone will be screaming
'hypocrite' at you when YOU enter retirement.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
Post by MM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
When did the Labour Party support the Nazis?

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-18 10:50:30 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
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Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do
work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any
interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work,
seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from
Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Did you not get that I'm retired?
I get it, but that doesn't change the simple fact you're lazy and expect
everyone else to work, and then chastise them because they're UK citizens.
I do expect everyone *of working age* to work. Retirement means one
isn't required to work for one's living.
'Bout time you accepted that. Otherwise everyone will be screaming
'hypocrite' at you when YOU enter retirement.
Then its about time you accept its workers' right to vote for Brexit
when they see lazy people expecting them to work for less, citing
retirement as an excuse.
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
When did the Labour Party support the Nazis?
Did they not endorse the strikes affecting British munitions and hence
assisting the Nazis? Effectively killing young British soldiers?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
When did the Labour Party support the Nazis?
Did they not endorse the strikes affecting British munitions and hence
assisting the Nazis? Effectively killing young British soldiers?
That seems like pretty flagrant political spin. Have you any
evidence that there was any actual shortage of munitions in the
field, as a result of strikes, or that any such shortage assisted
the Nazis or led to the death of young British soldiers?

If you were of a hard-left persuasion, you might equally have
written "the shameless greed of capitalist factory owners assisted
the Nazis and led to the death of young British soldiers, because
they resisted paying fair wages to their employees, forcing them
to go on strike."

Some dockers disliked Churchill because he was a toff, and not
working-class like themselves. That's not quite the same as
supporting the Nazis.
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Post by MM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
When did the Labour Party support the Nazis?
Did they not endorse the strikes affecting British munitions and hence
assisting the Nazis? Effectively killing young British soldiers?
That seems like pretty flagrant political spin. Have you any
evidence that there was any actual shortage of munitions in the
field, as a result of strikes, or that any such shortage assisted
the Nazis or led to the death of young British soldiers?
The guiding principle in the production of munitions during a mechanised
war is to stockpile enough of them that one's fighting capacity will not
be prejudiced by periods of intense use or by losses due to enemy
action. In other words, you need quite a bit more than "enough" and
there is no such thing as "too much".

One wouldn't expect trade union leaders to necessarily understand that,
or to sympathise with it. Most of them have only the same limited
education and intelligence as MM has (admitted to having), or perhaps
even less.
Post by pensive hamster
If you were of a hard-left persuasion, you might equally have
written "the shameless greed of capitalist factory owners assisted
the Nazis and led to the death of young British soldiers, because
they resisted paying fair wages to their employees, forcing them
to go on strike."
Guardianista BTL'ers call that "whataboutery".
Post by pensive hamster
Some dockers disliked Churchill because he was a toff, and not
working-class like themselves. That's not quite the same as
supporting the Nazis.
Helping the Nazis by hindering the Allies is exactly the same as
supporting the Nazis.
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work.  To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do
work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any
interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work,
seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from
Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
That is part of the point.
They're going to have to consider raising wages. The central complaint
about EU FoM is that it is one-sided and that countries like the UK -
especiually the UK - import excessive amounts of cheap EU unskilled
labour, to the disadvantage of members of the unskilled sector of the
UK's own potential workforce.
This cannot be something you have not had explained to you already.
MM doesn't care about the indigenous worker, only for himself.
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their lives by
upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come here for £9 an
hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Agreed, especially when is several times what they could get at home for
unskilled work.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a bit
more.
You should show more respect now, while you sit on your arse. When you
start working in the field etc, you can then chastise who choose not to.
Did you not get that I'm retired?
I get it, but that doesn't change the simple fact you're lazy and expect
everyone else to work, and then chastise them because they're UK citizens.
I do expect everyone *of working age* to work. Retirement means one
isn't required to work for one's living.
'Bout time you accepted that. Otherwise everyone will be screaming
'hypocrite' at you when YOU enter retirement.
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers from the
same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the British car
industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant demands for more
pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went on strike during
World War II when there were lots of young, brave fighting men dying
for Britain.
For once I agree with you. Labour rates should be set by supply and
demand, not blackmail.
Post by MM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchill-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting-lack-patriotism.html
Yes, endorsed by the Labour party.
Which the electorate resoundingly elected in 1945.
Does that make their support for the Nazis right?
When did the Labour Party support the Nazis?
How can you find it necessary to ask that in the year 2018?

Read a serious newspaper.
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Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their
lives by upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come
here for £9 an hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Quite right. We get their better workers because the are the ones
who will get up and come here. If a Brit doesn't like the work or
pay in this country he could go work elsewhere in Europe just as you
did instead of moaning about how the country owes him a living.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a
bit more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers
from the same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the
British car industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant
demands for more pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went
on strike during World War II when there were lots of young, brave
fighting men dying for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchi
ll-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting
-lack-patriotism.html
MM
In those days Japanese cars they were disparaged as tinny rust boxes
but were reliable and what the customer wanted. Meanwhile Red Robbo
was using strikes to jack up wage rates at Longbridge but look where
got the industry.

A Union Jack sticker on goods today tells the buyer the goods have a
chance of being shoddy, poorly designed, unstylish, unreliable or
overpriced. It's a sort of warning sign that you might be making a
charitable donation to uncompetitive British workers. I wish it
weren't so.
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Post by pamela
Post by MM
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their
lives by upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come
here for £9 an hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Quite right. We get their better workers because the are the ones
who will get up and come here. If a Brit doesn't like the work or
pay in this country he could go work elsewhere in Europe just as you
did instead of moaning about how the country owes him a living.
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a
bit more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers
from the same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the
British car industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant
demands for more pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went
on strike during World War II when there were lots of young, brave
fighting men dying for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchi
ll-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting
-lack-patriotism.html
MM
In those days Japanese cars they were disparaged as tinny rust boxes
but were reliable and what the customer wanted. Meanwhile Red Robbo
was using strikes to jack up wage rates at Longbridge but look where
got the industry.
A Union Jack sticker on goods today tells the buyer the goods have a
chance of being shoddy, poorly designed, unstylish, unreliable or
overpriced. It's a sort of warning sign that you might be making a
charitable donation to uncompetitive British workers. I wish it
weren't so.
I was a very patriotic car-buyer during the period up to the mid-1980s.
I actually bought a brand new BL car in 1978 - the worst car-buying
decision I ever made. Since 1986, I have not owned, or ever considered
buying, a UK-built car.

Even viewed from a hundred miles away, the Longbridge workers clearly
taking the piss. They weren't the only ones, of course. I regret to have
to say that Liverpool's dockers were prone to doing the same (London's
too), all of them apparently in the unshakeable belief that the world
could not do without them and their product.

The old Standard/Triumph factory in Speke, Liverpool, made products
which were treading water (at best) in the market. But it was
well-established that the series of industrial disputes at that firm was
aimed at winning the S/T workers the same pay and conditions as workers
at the nearby Ford facility at Halewood had managed to secure. This was
despite the obvious truth that the Ford factory was churning out cars
that were in demand, sold readil=u and whose quality control was miles
above that of any BL-related site such as the Standard-Triumph works.
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Post by MM
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their
lives by upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come
here for £9 an hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Quite right. We get their better workers because the are the ones
who will get up and come here. If a Brit doesn't like the work or
pay in this country he could go work elsewhere in Europe just as you
did instead of moaning about how the country owes him a living.
It's precisely because of this Brexit is happening. Don't you get why we
are leaving the EU?

What is the point of a Brit leaving the UK when he's unlikely to get a
better paid job?
Post by pamela
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a
bit more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers
from the same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the
British car industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant
demands for more pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went
on strike during World War II when there were lots of young, brave
fighting men dying for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchi
ll-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting
-lack-patriotism.html
MM
In those days Japanese cars they were disparaged as tinny rust boxes
but were reliable and what the customer wanted. Meanwhile Red Robbo
was using strikes to jack up wage rates at Longbridge but look where
got the industry.
Ironically with the West's help.

Agreed about Red Robbo, hence we need the supply and demand of labour to
push up wages. It's already happening.
Post by pamela
A Union Jack sticker on goods today tells the buyer the goods have a
chance of being shoddy, poorly designed, unstylish, unreliable or
overpriced. It's a sort of warning sign that you might be making a
charitable donation to uncompetitive British workers. I wish it
weren't so.
You come across as a very unpleasant loser. There are many varieties of
British goods synonymous with quality, but you would rather this wasn't so.
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Post by pamela
Post by MM
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their
lives by upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come
here for £9 an hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Quite right. We get their better workers because the are the ones
who will get up and come here. If a Brit doesn't like the work or
pay in this country he could go work elsewhere in Europe just as you
did instead of moaning about how the country owes him a living.
It's precisely because of this Brexit is happening. Don't you get why we
are leaving the EU?
You and fellow nationalists voted to leave, because you hanker after
the era in which Britain was a "great nation" that once led the world
in spreading colonialism and exploiting the poor indigenous peoples of
the nations we occupied.

You won't succeed. You cannot turn back the clock. The best you can do
is shut yourself away in a room adorned with the Union Jack and
cucumber sandwiches while you sing songs around the fire powered by
French or German-owned power companies.
Post by Fredxx
What is the point of a Brit leaving the UK when he's unlikely to get a
better paid job?
For the experience of being away from the closed minds of average
Brits.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a
bit more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers
from the same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the
British car industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant
demands for more pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went
on strike during World War II when there were lots of young, brave
fighting men dying for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchi
ll-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting
-lack-patriotism.html
MM
In those days Japanese cars they were disparaged as tinny rust boxes
but were reliable and what the customer wanted. Meanwhile Red Robbo
was using strikes to jack up wage rates at Longbridge but look where
got the industry.
Ironically with the West's help.
Agreed about Red Robbo, hence we need the supply and demand of labour to
push up wages. It's already happening.
Post by pamela
A Union Jack sticker on goods today tells the buyer the goods have a
chance of being shoddy, poorly designed, unstylish, unreliable or
overpriced. It's a sort of warning sign that you might be making a
charitable donation to uncompetitive British workers. I wish it
weren't so.
You come across as a very unpleasant loser. There are many varieties of
British goods synonymous with quality, but you would rather this wasn't so.
How abour producing a list of British quality goods? For example,
Britain is renowned for its...

Tractors?
Cars?
Trucks?
Hospital equipment?
Aeroplanes?
Advancements in road building?
Food?
Trains?

MM
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Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
Seems to be that the migrant workers who totally change their
lives by upping sticks and moving 1,500km across Europe to come
here for £9 an hour are the ones showing the real gumption.
Quite right. We get their better workers because the are the ones
who will get up and come here. If a Brit doesn't like the work or
pay in this country he could go work elsewhere in Europe just as you
did instead of moaning about how the country owes him a living.
It's precisely because of this Brexit is happening. Don't you get why we
are leaving the EU?
You and fellow nationalists voted to leave, because you hanker after
the era in which Britain was a "great nation" that once led the world
in spreading colonialism and exploiting the poor indigenous peoples of
the nations we occupied.
You won't succeed. You cannot turn back the clock. The best you can do
is shut yourself away in a room adorned with the Union Jack and
cucumber sandwiches while you sing songs around the fire powered by
French or German-owned power companies.
Post by Fredxx
What is the point of a Brit leaving the UK when he's unlikely to get a
better paid job?
For the experience of being away from the closed minds of average
Brits.
You have the most 'closed mind' of anyone posting here.
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Post by MM
When British workers start flocking to the fields, food factories,
bars and cleaning companies, then I will start respecting them a
bit more. As it is, I think they're rather a bunch of whingers
from the same mould as the 60s'/70s' contingents who ruined the
British car industry due to their frequent strikes and incessant
demands for more pay. Heck, the British worker as a body even went
on strike during World War II when there were lots of young, brave
fighting men dying for Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932437/The-dockers-Churchi
ll-war-s-shameful-secret-Second-World-War-strikes-reveal-disgusting
-lack-patriotism.html
MM
In those days Japanese cars they were disparaged as tinny rust boxes
but were reliable and what the customer wanted. Meanwhile Red Robbo
was using strikes to jack up wage rates at Longbridge but look where
got the industry.
Ironically with the West's help.
Agreed about Red Robbo, hence we need the supply and demand of labour to
push up wages. It's already happening.
Post by pamela
A Union Jack sticker on goods today tells the buyer the goods have a
chance of being shoddy, poorly designed, unstylish, unreliable or
overpriced. It's a sort of warning sign that you might be making a
charitable donation to uncompetitive British workers. I wish it
weren't so.
You come across as a very unpleasant loser. There are many varieties of
British goods synonymous with quality, but you would rather this wasn't so.
How abour producing a list of British quality goods? For example,
Britain is renowned for its...
Tractors?
Cars?
Trucks?
Hospital equipment?
Aeroplanes?
Advancements in road building?
Food?
Trains?
Quite

Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)

Trust you to live in the past.
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Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...

MM
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Post by Fredxx
Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
MM
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Post by Fredxx
Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
Why not? Afraid that their figures will make yours look a bit paltry?

MM
Fredxx
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
Why not? Afraid that their figures will make yours look a bit paltry?
MM
Because I'm not your lacky, perhaps its a Remoaner thing to expect
everyone else to do your dirty work while you sit on your lazy arse.

I already answered your question "How abour producing a list of British
quality goods?" and see little point in your childish games.
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Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total exports)
Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
Why not? Afraid that their figures will make yours look a bit paltry?
When we are free to trade without the restrictions imposed by the EU,
how much better is it expected that these figures will get?
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pamela
2018-05-20 18:49:59 UTC
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Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total
exports) Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
Why not? Afraid that their figures will make yours look a bit
paltry?
When we are free to trade without the restrictions imposed by the
EU, how much better is it expected that these figures will get?
All the percentages will increase slightly and they will add up to
108%. :)
Ian Jackson
2018-05-20 20:33:30 UTC
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Machinery including computers: US$68 billion (15.3% of total
exports) Vehicles: $53.7 billion (12.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $35.6 billion (8%)
Gems, precious metals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Pharmaceuticals: $32.8 billion (7.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $28.6 billion (6.4%)
Aircraft, spacecraft: $21.1 billion (4.7%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $18.1 billion (4.1%)
Plastics, plastic articles: $12 billion (2.7%)
Organic chemicals: $10.3 billion (2.3%)
Now do a comparison with Germany or France...
Why?
Why not? Afraid that their figures will make yours look a bit
paltry?
When we are free to trade without the restrictions imposed by the
EU, how much better is it expected that these figures will get?
All the percentages will increase slightly and they will add up to
108%. :)
:o) indeed.
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2018-05-14 10:25:46 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
You admit you don't pay any income tax. Why didn't you have the surgery
in the country you pay income tax?
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Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
Which can only be a good thing for indigenous workers.

You haven't worked for a long time.
MM
2018-05-15 11:25:31 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
You admit you don't pay any income tax. Why didn't you have the surgery
in the country you pay income tax?
Because I had worked in the UK since the age of 16 prior to my sojourn
in Germany and afterwards, thus easily obtaining the 30 years
contributory period for the state pension.
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
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Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
Which can only be a good thing for indigenous workers.
You haven't worked for a long time.
Please don't begrudge me my pensions just because you still need to
work. One day, you too will receive a state pension! (Probably...)

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-15 19:20:26 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means
the departure of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand
higher wages. It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower
in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly uses social
media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why anyone
should pay you as much as someone, foreign or otherwise, who is
prepared to work harder and not pursue such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't want to
pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign supplier
instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you should
live in a foreign country rather than come running back to the UK for
your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I know the
NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years sounds a tad
extreme.
You admit you don't pay any income tax. Why didn't you have the surgery
in the country you pay income tax?
Because I had worked in the UK since the age of 16 prior to my sojourn
in Germany and afterwards, thus easily obtaining the 30 years
contributory period for the state pension.
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work, seemingly out
of guilt. Ironically, those who are least likely to gain from Brexit are
those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields not
being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits, wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are increasingly
worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
Which can only be a good thing for indigenous workers.
You haven't worked for a long time.
Please don't begrudge me my pensions just because you still need to
work. One day, you too will receive a state pension! (Probably...)
I don't begrudge anyone taking a state benefit as a right. Just the
righteous some expect others to work for less pay.
pamela
2018-05-16 11:43:49 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're
reaping right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him,
Brexit means the departure of foreigners allowing those
left behind to demand higher wages. It's largely the
economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive
lower in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for
parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly
uses social media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
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Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why
anyone should pay you as much as someone, foreign or
otherwise, who is prepared to work harder and not pursue
such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't
want to pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign
supplier instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you
should live in a foreign country rather than come running back
to the UK for your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I
know the NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years
sounds a tad extreme.
You admit you don't pay any income tax. Why didn't you have the
surgery in the country you pay income tax?
Because I had worked in the UK since the age of 16 prior to my
sojourn in Germany and afterwards, thus easily obtaining the 30
years contributory period for the state pension.
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Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work,
seemingly out of guilt. Ironically, those who are least
likely to gain from Brexit are those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields
not being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits,
wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are
increasingly worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
Which can only be a good thing for indigenous workers.
You haven't worked for a long time.
Please don't begrudge me my pensions just because you still need
to work. One day, you too will receive a state pension!
(Probably...)
MM
Wouldn't it be ironic if some of these forthcoming Brexit
wonder-deals with the rest of the world involved outsourcing British
jobs and former British production of goods to a third world
country?

One way or another, Brexit is not going to make lazy British workers
rich.
tim...
2018-05-16 13:14:30 UTC
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On Thu, 10 May 2018 21:44:10 +0100, Fredxx
Post by Fredxx
Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the
benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're
reaping right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK
depressing wage rates in his field of work. To him,
Brexit means the departure of foreigners allowing those
left behind to demand higher wages. It's largely the
economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive
lower in-work benefits so its win-win for all. Even for
parasites.
You strike me as a bit of a workshy idler who constantly
uses social media at times when you're required to work.
Then you have a distorted picture of me, and of what I do.
We can only go on what we read here.
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I don't know what your
employer's policy is regarding this but it's hard to see why
anyone should pay you as much as someone, foreign or
otherwise, who is prepared to work harder and not pursue
such distractions.
If I bought goods or servics from your company I wouldn't
want to pay any extra to make up for idlers.
Quite, I doubt I would have anything on sale you would have any interest in.
And even if you did, I personally would choose a foreign
supplier instead.
That sort of attitude is another reason for Brexit. Perhaps you
should live in a foreign country rather than come running back
to the UK for your free heart surgery.
I came back to the UK in 1982. I had heart surgery in 2013. I
know the NHS suffers from long waiting times, but 31 years
sounds a tad extreme.
You admit you don't pay any income tax. Why didn't you have the
surgery in the country you pay income tax?
Because I had worked in the UK since the age of 16 prior to my
sojourn in Germany and afterwards, thus easily obtaining the 30
years contributory period for the state pension.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
Don't forget, Brexit is not going to make lazy people rich.
The ones who are lazy are those who insult those who work,
seemingly out of guilt. Ironically, those who are least
likely to gain from Brexit are those who are lazy.
Are 16 million remainers lazy, then?
Not all, certainly not. But when you whinge on about veg fields
not being picked sitting in your armchair, if the hat fits,
wear it.
You ain't seen nothing yet! Companies large and small are
increasingly worried about lack of staff due to Brexit.
Which can only be a good thing for indigenous workers.
You haven't worked for a long time.
Please don't begrudge me my pensions just because you still need
to work. One day, you too will receive a state pension!
(Probably...)
MM
Wouldn't it be ironic if some of these forthcoming Brexit
wonder-deals with the rest of the world involved outsourcing British
jobs and former British production of goods to a third world
country?
but why would we sign such a deal?
Post by pamela
One way or another, Brexit is not going to make lazy British workers
rich.
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently

tim
MM
2018-05-17 09:33:40 UTC
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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!

MM
JNugent
2018-05-17 12:03:39 UTC
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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.

But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?

A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
MM
2018-05-18 10:44:22 UTC
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.

MM
Fredxx
2018-05-18 11:08:32 UTC
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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
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Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
JNugent
2018-05-18 12:51:03 UTC
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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but
unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
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Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
MM
2018-05-19 08:10:23 UTC
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but
unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?

MM
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2018-05-19 10:40:24 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but
unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
pamela
2018-05-19 12:09:14 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working,
but unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist
currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK
by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing
that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
Fredxx
2018-05-19 12:43:44 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working,
but unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist
currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK
by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing
that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work, certainly.
pamela
2018-05-19 14:12:25 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working,
but unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist
currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the
UK by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing
that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as
the shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already
happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work,
certainly.
Luckily for the public, consumers will have the last say by buying
goods and services from a cheaper sources.

I like dealing with East European workers because they often have a
positive attitute, are willing workers, don't overcharge, work hard,
do a good job and I feel less likely to get ripped off.
Fredxx
2018-05-19 15:37:35 UTC
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Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working,
but unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist
currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the
UK by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing
that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as
the shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already
happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work, certainly.
Luckily for the public, consumers will have the last say by buying
goods and services from a cheaper sources.
Quite, especially when those who work will have more money to spend.
Post by pamela
I like dealing with East European workers because they often have a
positive attitute, are willing workers, don't overcharge, work hard,
do a good job and I feel less likely to get ripped off.
Good for you. I can see what your attitude would be if you actually
worked. Eastern Europeans would put your quality of work to shame.
pamela
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard
working, but unqualified ones.  Something that
doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the
UK by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they
doing that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as
the shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already
happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work, certainly.
Luckily for the public, consumers will have the last say by
buying goods and services from a cheaper sources.
Quite, especially when those who work will have more money to
spend.
I worked and saved. Now I have money to spend. I probably spend
more on myself now than when I was working and I am going to spend
it wisely.

I won't be buying overpriced goods from companies which struggles to
get the skills it needs and have to pay over the odds because access
to quality labour has been artifically restricted.
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Post by pamela
I like dealing with East European workers because they often have
a positive attitute, are willing workers, don't overcharge, work
hard, do a good job and I feel less likely to get ripped off.
Good for you. I can see what your attitude would be if you
actually worked. Eastern Europeans would put your quality of work
to shame.
I welcome competition. It makes you up your game. It makes you
turn to fields where you are better than the others. Maybe you
don't do this.
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Post by JNugent
Post by Fredxx
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard
working, but unqualified ones.  Something that
doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the
UK by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they
doing that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as
the shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already
happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to improve
matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work, certainly.
Luckily for the public, consumers will have the last say by
buying goods and services from a cheaper sources.
Quite, especially when those who work will have more money to
spend.
I worked and saved. Now I have money to spend. I probably spend
more on myself now than when I was working and I am going to spend
it wisely.
I see your point. What you wanted when you were working was high wages,
now you want to employ cheap immigrant labour.
Post by pamela
I won't be buying overpriced goods from companies which struggles to
get the skills it needs and have to pay over the odds because access
to quality labour has been artifically restricted.
There is no artificial restriction, just shifting the balance back to
the time when you worked.
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Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I like dealing with East European workers because they often have
a positive attitute, are willing workers, don't overcharge, work
hard, do a good job and I feel less likely to get ripped off.
Good for you. I can see what your attitude would be if you
actually worked. Eastern Europeans would put your quality of work
to shame.
I welcome competition. It makes you up your game. It makes you
turn to fields where you are better than the others. Maybe you
don't do this.
I compete very well, thanks. My services are now in great demand.

If you were working in a similar field, you would also notice the
increase in demand for your labour.

But you're one of those lazy UK people who consider working isn't
worthwhile.
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2018-05-20 11:24:31 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard
working, but unqualified ones. 
Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in
the UK by Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they
doing that work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come
as the shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already
happening.
Artificially induced labour shortages are not going to
improve matters - except for lazy native employees.
They will for those concerned. Not for those too lazy to work, certainly.
Luckily for the public, consumers will have the last say by
buying goods and services from a cheaper sources.
Quite, especially when those who work will have more money to spend.
I worked and saved. Now I have money to spend. I probably spend
more on myself now than when I was working and I am going to
spend it wisely.
I see your point. What you wanted when you were working was high
wages, now you want to employ cheap immigrant labour.
I didn't say that. I said all consumers should buy at the cheapest
price possible and if that drives uncompetitive workers out of jobs
then they will be impelled to reskill and move to fields where their
labour is better valued.

It's win-win, except for lazy or complacent workers who thinks the
country owes them a living and should pay them more than they are
worth.
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Post by pamela
Post by Fredxx
Post by pamela
I like dealing with East European workers because they often
have a positive attitute, are willing workers, don't
overcharge, work hard, do a good job and I feel less likely to
get ripped off.
Good for you. I can see what your attitude would be if you
actually worked. Eastern Europeans would put your quality of
work to shame.
I welcome competition. It makes you up your game. It makes you
turn to fields where you are better than the others. Maybe you
don't do this.
I compete very well, thanks. My services are now in great demand.
If you were working in a similar field, you would also notice the
increase in demand for your labour.
You still moan about foreign workers driving down your pay.
Post by Fredxx
But you're one of those lazy UK people who consider working isn't
worthwhile.
I would guess that I have been a far harder worker than you could
ever manage. Not that it felt like hard work to me: it was natural
and it's what one does.

On the other hand, your lack of initiative, your unwillingness to
work abroad, your reluctance to re-skill or change careers, your
blaming of foreign workers for your own shortcomings all suggest you
are not making a full effort.

Many people on this group are not working for reason or another but
you claim to be working hard while posting all your zillions of
moaning messages. Why not stop posting here and spend time to
improve your work skills instead.
MM
2018-05-20 08:45:00 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but
unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Oh, so that is why prices are rising! Because of Brexit.

MM
Norman Wells
2018-05-20 09:28:16 UTC
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What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Oh, so that is why prices are rising! Because of Brexit.
The current inflation rate in the UK is 2.5%. That is the amount by
which prices have risen over the last year.

Only by 2.5%.

The government *targets* an inflation rate of 2% as being its ideal.
Neither higher nor lower. 2% is just right.

2.5% is not very different from 2%. It is well within parameters, given
the inherent variability in the inflation rate and the inability to
control it exactly by any human means.

That nice Mr Carney is given some leeway over what the inflation rate
is. It is only if it is above 3%, or below 1%, that he has to write a
little letter to the Chancellor telling him why.

2.5% is perfectly acceptable. At least it is to everyone but you. Can
you tell us why you're so out of step?
MM
2018-05-22 11:30:53 UTC
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What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Oh, so that is why prices are rising! Because of Brexit.
The current inflation rate in the UK is 2.5%. That is the amount by
which prices have risen over the last year.
Only by 2.5%.
Compared to 1.7% in Germany, 1.6% in France.
Post by Norman Wells
The government *targets* an inflation rate of 2% as being its ideal.
Neither higher nor lower. 2% is just right.
2.5% is not very different from 2%.
Yes, it is. Would you like £2,000,000 or £2,500,000? One half of a
percent is significant.
Post by Norman Wells
It is well within parameters, given
the inherent variability in the inflation rate and the inability to
control it exactly by any human means.
That nice Mr Carney is given some leeway over what the inflation rate
is. It is only if it is above 3%, or below 1%, that he has to write a
little letter to the Chancellor telling him why.
2.5% is perfectly acceptable. At least it is to everyone but you. Can
you tell us why you're so out of step?
I don't believe everyone except me thinks 2.5% is an acceptable
figure.

MM

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2018-05-22 12:39:54 UTC
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What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Oh, so that is why prices are rising! Because of Brexit.
The current inflation rate in the UK is 2.5%. That is the amount by
which prices have risen over the last year.
Only by 2.5%.
Compared to 1.7% in Germany, 1.6% in France.
Post by Norman Wells
The government *targets* an inflation rate of 2% as being its ideal.
Neither higher nor lower. 2% is just right.
2.5% is not very different from 2%.
Yes, it is. Would you like £2,000,000 or £2,500,000? One half of a
percent is significant.
If you have £100,000,000 to start with, as you would have to, I don't
think you'd be too concerned.
Post by MM
Post by Norman Wells
It is well within parameters, given
the inherent variability in the inflation rate and the inability to
control it exactly by any human means.
That nice Mr Carney is given some leeway over what the inflation rate
is. It is only if it is above 3%, or below 1%, that he has to write a
little letter to the Chancellor telling him why.
2.5% is perfectly acceptable. At least it is to everyone but you. Can
you tell us why you're so out of step?
I don't believe everyone except me thinks 2.5% is an acceptable
figure.
If the EU applied the same rules as in the UK, all of the following
countries' Central Bank Governors would currently be having to write
their grovelling letters of excuse to their Chancellors:

Ireland
Greece
Cyprus
Portugal
Italy
Liechenstein
Finland
Denmark
Netherlands, and
Romania.

There's no virtue in having a very low inflation rate as you clearly
want. It indicates stagnation.

Care to tell us why you disagree with all the proper economists the
government employs?

And why the European Central Bank itself says:

"The primary objective of the ECB’s monetary policy is to maintain price
stability. The ECB aims at inflation rates of below, but close to, 2%
over the medium term"?

https://www.ecb.europa.eu/mopo/html/index.en.html
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2018-05-24 15:52:27 UTC
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What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean? Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that
work already?
Because they're not sufficiently encouraged. That will come as the
shortage of labour will push up wages. Its already happening.
Oh, so that is why prices are rising! Because of Brexit.
The current inflation rate in the UK is 2.5%. That is the amount by
which prices have risen over the last year.
Only by 2.5%.
Compared to 1.7% in Germany, 1.6% in France.
Post by Norman Wells
The government *targets* an inflation rate of 2% as being its ideal.
Neither higher nor lower. 2% is just right.
2.5% is not very different from 2%.
Yes, it is. Would you like £2,000,000 or £2,500,000? One half of a
percent is significant.
If you have £100,000,000 to start with, as you would have to, I don't
think you'd be too concerned.
Excellent! When did you become an accountant?
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Post by MM
Post by Norman Wells
It is well within parameters, given
the inherent variability in the inflation rate and the inability to
control it exactly by any human means.
That nice Mr Carney is given some leeway over what the inflation rate
is. It is only if it is above 3%, or below 1%, that he has to write a
little letter to the Chancellor telling him why.
2.5% is perfectly acceptable. At least it is to everyone but you. Can
you tell us why you're so out of step?
I don't believe everyone except me thinks 2.5% is an acceptable
figure.
If the EU applied the same rules as in the UK, all of the following
countries' Central Bank Governors would currently be having to write
Ireland
Greece
Cyprus
Portugal
Italy
Liechenstein
Finland
Denmark
Netherlands, and
Romania.
There's no virtue in having a very low inflation rate as you clearly
want. It indicates stagnation.
Care to tell us why you disagree with all the proper economists the
government employs?
"The primary objective of the ECB’s monetary policy is to maintain price
stability. The ECB aims at inflation rates of below, but close to, 2%
over the medium term"?
While ours are above 2%! I think you need a better argument than using
the ECB as an example.

MM

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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but
unqualified ones.  Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
Get them into the unskilled work currently being done in the UK by
Polish graduates.
Force them, you mean?
As you, of all people, will already know, benefits are not paid
unconditionally. When work is available, an unemployed claimant is
expected to take it. And quite right too, as I'm sure you'll agree.
Post by MM
Because otherwise, why aren't they doing that work already?
It is difficult to fully invoke benefit conditionality whilst there are
(still) a million and a half "unemployed".
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2018-05-19 08:09:10 UTC
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Post by MM
Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?

MM
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2018-05-19 10:41:35 UTC
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
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Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.

Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working,
but unqualified ones. Something that doesn't exist
currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are
unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics
like you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average
intelligence (100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work
(eg, in the professions) needs entrants with scores in the
125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in
from outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage
again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think
they are so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
I said PKB 15 minutes ago. Please be more original!
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2018-05-20 08:48:23 UTC
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
On the contrary, I was merely reflecting on your comments above about
culling.
Post by Fredxx
Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
Well, they might if you were stupid.

Ah! Now I see how it happened!

MM
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
On the contrary, I was merely reflecting on your comments above about
culling.
Post by Fredxx
Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
Well, they might if you were stupid.
Ah! Now I see how it happened!
For someone who was blaming an acceptable inflation rate of 2.5% on
Brexit, your grey matter must be deteriorating fast.
MM
2018-05-22 11:32:26 UTC
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Post by tim...
but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
On the contrary, I was merely reflecting on your comments above about
culling.
Post by Fredxx
Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
Well, they might if you were stupid.
Ah! Now I see how it happened!
For someone who was blaming an acceptable inflation rate of 2.5% on
Brexit, your grey matter must be deteriorating fast.
2.5% isn't an acceptable inflation rate.

MM

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For someone who was blaming an acceptable inflation rate of 2.5% on
Brexit, your grey matter must be deteriorating fast.
2.5% isn't an acceptable inflation rate.
What is then?
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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
Post by Fredxx
Post by MM
Post by JNugent
A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
On the contrary, I was merely reflecting on your comments above about
culling.
Post by Fredxx
Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
Well, they might if you were stupid.
Ah! Now I see how it happened!
For someone who was blaming an acceptable inflation rate of 2.5% on
Brexit, your grey matter must be deteriorating fast.
2.5% isn't an acceptable inflation rate.
It would be acceptable if one could get 4.5% on savings.

Heck, it would be acceotable if you could get 2.75%.

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but it is going to create opportunities for hard working, but unqualified
ones. Something that doesn't exist currently
Britain should NOT be producing unqualified workers!
As a statement of ideals, that's fine.
But what does a society do with individuals with IQs of 85 or so?
What would YOU wish to "do" with such individuals?
What do you propose to do with them, and others who are unproductive?
The status quo looks pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of eugenics like
you obviously are.
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A skilled trade probably needs workers of at least average intelligence
(100) whilst technical and knowledge-based work (eg, in the professions)
needs entrants with scores in the 125+ range.
So obviously the solution is to bring new breeding stock in from
outside, to give the British gene pool a healthy advantage again.
Perhaps we should just cull the whingers and whiners who think they are
so much better than the indigenous worker.
When will you openly call for extermination camps?
You seem to be advocating a cull of the indigenous workers gene pool.
On the contrary, I was merely reflecting on your comments above about
culling.
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Pot, kettle and black come to mind.
Well, they might if you were stupid.
Ah! Now I see how it happened!
For someone who was blaming an acceptable inflation rate of 2.5% on
Brexit, your grey matter must be deteriorating fast.
2.5% isn't an acceptable inflation rate.
Tough for you, it's acceptable for the government and the BoE.

Best live it, like live with the Brexit result. But of course, you live
in the past and nothing better to do than whinge and whine.
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2018-05-13 11:31:19 UTC
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK depressing
wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means the departure
of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand higher wages.
It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
In my case, like most pensioners! If you prefer to see pensioners
living in penury without a pension, feel free to join or form a
political party and fight for your beliefs. (The Monster Raving Loony
Party is still available...)
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If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower in-work
benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
Ah, so you've now taken to calling pensioners parasites!

Nice!

MM
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Quite the opposite, some of us who work are reaping the benefits of Brexit.
Would you care to explain those alleged benefits you're reaping
right now?
MM
Fredxx has long worried about foreign workers in the UK depressing
wage rates in his field of work. To him, Brexit means the departure
of foreigners allowing those left behind to demand higher wages.
It's largely the economics of nationalism and envy.
While the likes of you and MM live of the back of those who do work.
In my case, like most pensioners! If you prefer to see pensioners
living in penury without a pension, feel free to join or form a
political party and fight for your beliefs. (The Monster Raving Loony
Party is still available...)
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If we have higher wages, we pay higher taxes and receive lower in-work
benefits so its win-win for all. Even for parasites.
Ah, so you've now taken to calling pensioners parasites!
Nice!
You are a ungrateful parasite when you call those paying your pension
'lazy'.
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2018-05-14 07:50:29 UTC
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You are a ungrateful parasite when you call those paying your pension
'lazy'.
Where and when did I do that?

MM
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You are a ungrateful parasite when you call those paying your pension
'lazy'.
Where and when did I do that?
Perhaps senility is creeping in.

I suggest you search for the numerous times you mention lazy in your
posts and check which group you refer to.
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Perhaps you're right. On the other hand in my profession I haven't seen
a payrise for 10 years and have now had substantial pay increase. In
part helped by the reduced immigration and more demand for the likes of me.
You don't work, do you?
In my case, no, I don't, but I'm glad YOU do so that my free
prescriptions and other perks of getting old continue ad infinitum.

Cheers!

MM
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You're a very poor loser.
You'll be losing too - only you don't realise it yet.
Ain't that the truth. :)

The Brexit disaster is turning out much better than expected.
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Now the wheels are coming off the Brexit clown car.
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord Callanan
"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Brexiteers are clutching at straws.
No - "taking back control" was definitely one of the main promises of
the Brexit Brigade.

Yes - we might actually regain total control of certain things, but in
the main we'll still have to abide by the rules and regulations of the
EU (although we will probably no longer have any say whatsoever in their
making) and also the RoW countries with whom we're going to make all
these lucrative trade agreements.
--
Ian
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2018-05-09 18:16:00 UTC
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord Callanan
"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Brexiteers are clutching at straws.
No - "taking back control" was definitely one of the main promises
of the Brexit Brigade.
Yes - we might actually regain total control of certain things,
but in the main we'll still have to abide by the rules and
regulations of the EU (although we will probably no longer have
any say whatsoever in their making) and also the RoW countries
with whom we're going to make all these lucrative trade
agreements.
It's strange how Lord Callanan assesses Brexit voting in the Lords by
how much "control" it provides when that was not in the referendum
question.
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Brexit is a massive con job.
Now the wheels are coming off the Brexit clown car.
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2018-05-09 18:33:59 UTC
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord Callanan
"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to leave
the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no matter how
many times such slogans get used.
Brexiteers are clutching at straws.
No - "taking back control" was definitely one of the main promises
of the Brexit Brigade.
Yes - we might actually regain total control of certain things,
but in the main we'll still have to abide by the rules and
regulations of the EU (although we will probably no longer have
any say whatsoever in their making) and also the RoW countries
with whom we're going to make all these lucrative trade
agreements.
It's strange how Lord Callanan assesses Brexit voting in the Lords by
how much "control" it provides when that was not in the referendum
question.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course it wasn't a referendum
'question', but it was certainly one of the main 'benefits' that we
would enjoy if we left the EU. In reality, even if we have the hardest
Brexit man can devise (pull up the drawbridge and close the curtains),
if we want to interact at all with the EU and the RoW, we will still be
subject to lots of their controls and constraints.
--
Ian
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2018-05-10 10:24:10 UTC
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In response to another Lords defeat, Brexit minister Lord
"This will not deliver on the British people's desire as
expressed in the referendum to have more direct control over
decisions that affect their daily lives."
I wonder which planet he's living on. The referednum was to
leave the EU. It was not a mandate to "take back control" no
matter how many times such slogans get used.
Brexiteers are clutching at straws.
No - "taking back control" was definitely one of the main
promises of the Brexit Brigade.
Yes - we might actually regain total control of certain things,
but in the main we'll still have to abide by the rules and
regulations of the EU (although we will probably no longer have
any say whatsoever in their making) and also the RoW countries
with whom we're going to make all these lucrative trade
agreements.
It's strange how Lord Callanan assesses Brexit voting in the Lords
by how much "control" it provides when that was not in the
referendum question.
I'm not sure what you're getting at. Of course it wasn't a
referendum 'question', but it was certainly one of the main
'benefits' that we would enjoy if we left the EU.
"Control" was never promised and is not an objective even if it is a
side benefit. Judging a Lords vote by wether or not it provide
"control" is an irrelevant criterion.
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In reality, even
if we have the hardest Brexit man can devise (pull up the
drawbridge and close the curtains), if we want to interact at all
with the EU and the RoW, we will still be subject to lots of their
controls and constraints.
Yes, the "control" sloganeering was largely a false promise.
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