Snowden Files: What is Missing? ISRAEL!

[ColdWarDinosaur]

There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

HW

[Bill "The Rapist" Shorten]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?

1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?

2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.

3. That you are a moron?

Probably number three.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?
1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?
2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.
3. That you are a moron?
Probably number three.

Not at all. It is a simple diagnostic question that even idiots can be
trained to look for: What is different from the "is" and the "is not"?

There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

Simple fact.

HW

[Bill "The Rapist" Shorten]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:37:40 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?
1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?
2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.
3. That you are a moron?
Probably number three.

Not at all. It is a simple diagnostic question that even idiots can be
trained to look for: What is different from the "is" and the "is not"?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

So your point actually is....?

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
Simple fact.
HW

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:37:40 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?
1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?
2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.
3. That you are a moron?
Probably number three.

Not at all. It is a simple diagnostic question that even idiots can be
trained to look for: What is different from the "is" and the "is not"?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

So your point actually is....?

My point is that the absence of US-Israeli items is curious.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
Simple fact.

HW

[Bill]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:02:02 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:37:40 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?
1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?
2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.
3. That you are a moron?
Probably number three.

Not at all. It is a simple diagnostic question that even idiots can be
trained to look for: What is different from the "is" and the "is not"?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

So your point actually is....?

My point is that the absence of US-Israeli items is curious.
Nothing more, nothing less.

There's also a total lack of intercepts of British material.

All the British stuff is internal stuff passed between agencies.

Is it just possible that NSA only spies on people it thinks may be a
threat to the USA?

Or, even more likely, it only spies on people its masters tell it
to...

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:02:02 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:37:40 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

Your point being?
1. That Israel is too smart to be caught out?
2. That USA is too stupid to know what Israel is up to, if anything.
3. That you are a moron?
Probably number three.

Not at all. It is a simple diagnostic question that even idiots can be
trained to look for: What is different from the "is" and the "is not"?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

So your point actually is....?

My point is that the absence of US-Israeli items is curious.
Nothing more, nothing less.

There's also a total lack of intercepts of British material.
All the British stuff is internal stuff passed between agencies.
Is it just possible that NSA only spies on people it thinks may be a
threat to the USA?
Or, even more likely, it only spies on people its masters tell it
to...

Yes, but having seen who is running the US Department of State,
Cheney's Neocons, who is running NSA?

HW

[Bill]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.

The appointment is made directly by the president.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.

The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

HW

[Bill]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:49:35 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.
The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

And you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Look, they're nerds, these guy's ultimate ambition is for a really
fast Internet link, a super duper CPU and access to everything, and
they've got that already...

What more could they want?

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:49:35 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.
The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

And you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Are you claiming that all they are is geeks without any other
attributes? No political, ethnic, religious or other agendas of their
own? Totally apolitical, asexual etc etc?

Post by Bill
Look, they're nerds, these guy's ultimate ambition is for a really
fast Internet link, a super duper CPU and access to everything, and
they've got that already...
What more could they want?

Totally oversimplistic.

HW

[Bill]

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:53:56 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:49:35 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.
The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

And you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Are you claiming that all they are is geeks without any other
attributes? No political, ethnic, religious or other agendas of their
own? Totally apolitical, asexual etc etc?

Of course they have.

But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.

They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.

NSA employs about 45,000 people. As the average working life of a US
civil servant is about 25 years before retirement about two thousand
people a year leave their employment, and more or less disappear into
the community.

The yacht harbours of the world and the huge walled mansions of drug
ridden South America do not seem to contain them, neither do they
seem to turn up, as ex CIA men and old Special Forces soldiers often
do, in the high paying 'hot spots' of the Third World. The inevitable
conclusion is that the vast majority of old techno spooks are living
quietly in retirement on their pensions.

Oh, I think I remember reading that there's a British MP who's an ex
GCHQ man...

[Snow_Flower]

On 26/06/2014 18:11, Bill wrote:
you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working

Post by Bill

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Are you claiming that all they are is geeks without any other
attributes? No political, ethnic, religious or other agendas of their
own? Totally apolitical, asexual etc etc?

Of course they have.
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".
The stazi in the old GDR operated in a climate of banality.
The above observation is often called the "banality of evil".
Also NSA employess are not civil servants, they are federal employess.

More abuse of power here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10263880/NSA-employees-spied-on-their-lovers-using-eavesdropping-programme.html

But yes, most are middle rank employees (small fry) who mostly follow
orders, just like drug mules are small fry in the world of drug
cartells. Those which control the "small fry" is where control and
conspiracy would be found.

Post by Bill
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.

The wages of sin, some might say.
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

Post by Bill
The yacht harbours of the world...

I expect quite a few of the above might own yachts, many retired middle
class people do. Second hand yachts and cars can be purchased for
similar sums. Others might chose to buy a large camper van, or perhaps a
log cabin in the wilds.

[Bill]

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".

And many went mad from their work.

How many NSA people go mad from their work?

Post by Snow_Flower
Also NSA employess are not civil servants, they are federal employess.

What's the difference?

Post by Snow_Flower
More abuse of power here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10263880/NSA-employees-spied-on-their-lovers-using-eavesdropping-programme.html

All of three case found so far.

That's actually remarkably good record for an organisation that
employs 45,000 people.

I wonder if there's a police force in the world with a record as good
as that?

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.

The wages of sin, some might say.

No, you say it.

Post by Snow_Flower
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

They enriched themselves.

NSA people do not seem to.

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
The yacht harbours of the world...

I expect quite a few of the above might own yachts, many retired middle
class people do. Second hand yachts and cars can be purchased for
similar sums. Others might chose to buy a large camper van, or perhaps a
log cabin in the wilds.

Right, so owning a Dormobile is a sign of massive and evil
corruption...

Have you ever met someone who, in their retirement, trundles about in
one?

[Snow_Flower]

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".

And many went mad from their work.
How many NSA people go mad from their work?

These figures are not in the public domain :-)
But I note that you deleted reference to the stazi from my post and have
failed to answer the core point, which is the "banality of evil", and
your mistake of dwelling on the cogs of the system (the middle ranking
employees) instead of looking at those who control the system.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Also NSA employess are not civil servants, they are federal employess.

What's the difference?

Different nation dear, different system of government, and different
laws. The UK does not have a federal government.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
More abuse of power here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10263880/NSA-employees-spied-on-their-lovers-using-eavesdropping-programme.html

All of three case found so far.
That's actually remarkably good record for an organisation that
employs 45,000 people.
I wonder if there's a police force in the world with a record as good
as that?

Probably, especially with police forces which do not have internal
affairs, to investigate their own. North Korea's police force probably
has an even better record!

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.

The wages of sin, some might say.

No, you say it.

There is significant opposition to the lack of control of agencies like
the NSA.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

They enriched themselves.
NSA people do not seem to.

Neither did most of the stazi.
Nor did many of the nazis who were driven mad working in death camps.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
The yacht harbours of the world...

I expect quite a few of the above might own yachts, many retired middle
class people do. Second hand yachts and cars can be purchased for
similar sums. Others might chose to buy a large camper van, or perhaps a
log cabin in the wilds.

Right, so owning a Dormobile is a sign of massive and evil
corruption...

You are either stupid or being deliberately dishonest.

[Bill]

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".

And many went mad from their work.
How many NSA people go mad from their work?

These figures are not in the public domain :-)
But I note that you deleted reference to the stazi from my post and have
failed to answer the core point, which is the "banality of evil", and
your mistake of dwelling on the cogs of the system (the middle ranking
employees) instead of looking at those who control the system.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

They enriched themselves.
NSA people do not seem to.

Neither did most of the stazi.
Nor did many of the nazis who were driven mad working in death camps.

The idea that agroup of people working directly for a democratically
elected government are out of control to that extent is absurd.

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".

And many went mad from their work.
How many NSA people go mad from their work?

These figures are not in the public domain :-)
But I note that you deleted reference to the stazi from my post and have
failed to answer the core point, which is the "banality of evil", and
your mistake of dwelling on the cogs of the system (the middle ranking
employees) instead of looking at those who control the system.

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

They enriched themselves.
NSA people do not seem to.

Neither did most of the stazi.
Nor did many of the nazis who were driven mad working in death camps.

The idea that agroup of people working directly for a democratically
elected government are out of control to that extent is absurd.

What?!???

Are you daft, man?

Corruption occurs in ALL forms of governance, including a democracy.

Do grow a brain, eh?

[Bill]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
The idea that agroup of people working directly for a democratically
elected government are out of control to that extent is absurd.

What?!???
Are you daft, man?
Corruption occurs in ALL forms of governance, including a democracy.

I know.

The OP said they were running a vast conspiracy to take over the
world...

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
The idea that agroup of people working directly for a democratically
elected government are out of control to that extent is absurd.

What?!???
Are you daft, man?
Corruption occurs in ALL forms of governance, including a democracy.

I know.
The OP said they were running a vast conspiracy to take over the
world...

That was done long ago, and it worked very nicely until China reared
itself from slumber.

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.

Many of the Nazis serving in death camps had very ordinary private
family lifes outside of "work".

And many went mad from their work.

Gassing and barbecuing people does that.

Post by Bill
How many NSA people go mad from their work?

How many people do you feel the NSA has gassed and barbecued?

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Also NSA employess are not civil servants, they are federal employess.

What's the difference?

Significant.

Amazing you had to ask....

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
More abuse of power here
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10263880/NSA-employees-spied-on-their-lovers-using-eavesdropping-programme.html

All of three case found so far.
That's actually remarkably good record for an organisation that
employs 45,000 people.
I wonder if there's a police force in the world with a record as good
as that?

I wonder if spying on lovers abroad is an Interpol protocol...

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.

The wages of sin, some might say.

No, you say it.

Spying on lovers is not a sin?

Do tell...

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower
Most Nazis and Stazi were not highly paid either.

They enriched themselves.

Some surely did.

Post by Bill
NSA people do not seem to.

You being an expert on what they do and all?

Post by Bill

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by Bill
The yacht harbours of the world...

I expect quite a few of the above might own yachts, many retired middle
class people do. Second hand yachts and cars can be purchased for
similar sums. Others might chose to buy a large camper van, or perhaps a
log cabin in the wilds.

Right, so owning a Dormobile is a sign of massive and evil
corruption...
Have you ever met someone who, in their retirement, trundles about in
one?

Have you anything of the slightest value to say here?

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:53:56 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:49:35 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.
The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

And you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Are you claiming that all they are is geeks without any other
attributes? No political, ethnic, religious or other agendas of their
own? Totally apolitical, asexual etc etc?

Of course they have.
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.
NSA employs about 45,000 people. As the average working life of a US
civil servant is about 25 years before retirement about two thousand
people a year leave their employment, and more or less disappear into
the community.
The yacht harbours of the world and the huge walled mansions of drug
ridden South America do not seem to contain them, neither do they
seem to turn up, as ex CIA men and old Special Forces soldiers often
do, in the high paying 'hot spots' of the Third World. The inevitable
conclusion is that the vast majority of old techno spooks are living
quietly in retirement on their pensions.
Oh, I think I remember reading that there's a British MP who's an ex
GCHQ man...

Perhaps but what has that got to do with what is missing from the picture?

HW

[Bill]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:16:30 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 12:53:56 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:49:35 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is
nothing more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.
The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around
in the dark in offices that he rarely visits.

And you feel that a bunch of career civil service geeks working
towards their pensions have some sort of hidden conspiratorial
objective?

Are you claiming that all they are is geeks without any other
attributes? No political, ethnic, religious or other agendas of their
own? Totally apolitical, asexual etc etc?

Of course they have.
But they live in Maryland, in the suburbs of Washington and Baltimore
and certainly reflect that in their lives.
They're not sinister techno thugs, they're perfectly ordinary people
living perfectly ordinary lives within a society that is reasonably
satisfied with what it has.
They're living the American Dream, indeed, the middle grades of the
US civil service seems to be one of the few middle class groups in
America that has retained their comfort and prosperity.
NSA employs about 45,000 people. As the average working life of a US
civil servant is about 25 years before retirement about two thousand
people a year leave their employment, and more or less disappear into
the community.
The yacht harbours of the world and the huge walled mansions of drug
ridden South America do not seem to contain them, neither do they
seem to turn up, as ex CIA men and old Special Forces soldiers often
do, in the high paying 'hot spots' of the Third World. The inevitable
conclusion is that the vast majority of old techno spooks are living
quietly in retirement on their pensions.
Oh, I think I remember reading that there's a British MP who's an ex
GCHQ man...

Perhaps but what has that got to do with what is missing from the picture?

A vast and sinister power crazed elite...

There isn't one...

Spooks aren't interested in ruling the world, just in what's going on
in it.

If they wanted power they're bright enough to go into politics.

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill
A vast and sinister power crazed elite...
There isn't one..

Yes there is.

You are unfamiliar with the Bilderberger meetings?

Sheesh.

[Bill]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
A vast and sinister power crazed elite...
There isn't one..

Yes there is.
You are unfamiliar with the Bilderberger meetings?

No more than anyone else is...

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
A vast and sinister power crazed elite...
There isn't one..

Yes there is.
You are unfamiliar with the Bilderberger meetings?

No more than anyone else is...

That's not an answer.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Bilderberg_Group

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-2014-uncovered-secretive-elite-to-meet-in-denmark/

The elitist organization, which meets on an annual basis in either
Europe, the United States or Canada, is comprised of some of the most
powerful heavyweights of industry, banking, politics, royalty, academia
and technology. Last year, the likes of Jeff Bezos, Timothy Geithner,
Christine Lagarde, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands,
and British Prime Minister David Cameron were all in attendance.

While the mainstream media habitually fails to afford Bilderberg the
press coverage it demands – characterizing the group as a mere “talking
shop” – innumerable examples of the organization having a direct impact
on global policy have been documented in recent years, leading to
charges that the group is fundamentally undemocratic in nature.

This has led to bigger and bigger anti-Bilderberg demonstrations in
recent years, including last year in Watford, UK when thousands of
people attended an event that was held in the grounds of the Grove
Hotel, where Bilderberg was holding its meeting.

Prior to last year’s meeting, Infowars reporters who had booked to stay
at the Grove Hotel days before Bilderberg members arrived had their
reservations canceled due to unspecified “security” concerns.

In 2010, former NATO Secretary-General and Bilderberg member Willy
Claes’ admitted that Bilderberg attendees are mandated to implement
policy decisions that are formulated during the meeting.

There are innumerable other examples of how Bilderberg has influenced
major global events ahead of time, picking Presidents and Prime
Ministers on a regular basis with total contempt for the democratic process.

Last year, Italian lawyer Alfonso Luigi Marra requested that the Public
Prosecutor of Rome investigate the clandestine organization for criminal
activity, questioning whether the group’s 2011 meeting in Switzerland
led to the selection of Mario Monti as Prime Minister of Italy.

In 2009, Bilderberg chairman Étienne Davignon even bragged about how the
Euro single currency was a brainchild of the Bilderberg Group.

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is nothing
more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.

OMG!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency

The Director of the National Security Agency (DIRNSA) is the
highest-ranking official in the National Security Agency, which is a
Defense Agency within the U.S. Department of Defense. The Director of
the NSA also concurrently serves as Chief of the Central Security
Service (CHCSS) and as Commander of U.S. Cyber Command (USCYBERCOM). As
DIRNSA/CHCSS the officeholder reports through the Under Secretary of
Defense for Intelligence, and as CDRUSCYBERCOM through the Commander of
U.S. Strategic Command, to the Secretary of Defense.

According to 10 U.S.C. § 201 of the United States Code, the
DIRNSA/CHCSS/CDRUSCYBERCOM is recommended by the Secretary of Defense
and nominated for appointment by the President. The nominee must be
confirmed via majority vote by the Senate. In accordance with Department
of Defense Directive 5100.20, dated December 23, 1971, the Director of
the NSA must always be a commissioned officer of the military services.
Because the assignment is currently part of a tri-hatted position, the
Director of the NSA is appointed to the grade of a four-star general or
admiral during the period of his incumbency. The Deputy Director is
always a technically experienced civilian

The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around in
the dark in offices that he rarely visits.
HW

Um yeah...right...you watch too much television, fool.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Please don't be so naive. The head is in a patronage post and is nothing
more than the hood ornament on a car in most cases.

OMG!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency
The Director of the National Security Agency (DIRNSA) is the
highest-ranking official in the National Security Agency, which is a
Defense Agency within the U.S. Department of Defense. The Director of
the NSA also concurrently serves as Chief of the Central Security
Service (CHCSS) and as Commander of U.S. Cyber Command (USCYBERCOM).
As DIRNSA/CHCSS the officeholder reports through the Under Secretary
of Defense for Intelligence, and as CDRUSCYBERCOM through the
Commander of U.S. Strategic Command, to the Secretary of Defense.
According to 10 U.S.C. § 201 of the United States Code, the
DIRNSA/CHCSS/CDRUSCYBERCOM is recommended by the Secretary of Defense
and nominated for appointment by the President. The nominee must be
confirmed via majority vote by the Senate. In accordance with
Department of Defense Directive 5100.20, dated December 23, 1971, the
Director of the NSA must always be a commissioned officer of the
military services. Because the assignment is currently part of a
tri-hatted position, the Director of the NSA is appointed to the grade
of a four-star general or admiral during the period of his incumbency.
The Deputy Director is always a technically experienced civilian

The real jobs are executed by shadowy individuals that scurry around in
the dark in offices that he rarely visits.
HW

Um yeah...right...you watch too much television, fool.

Yeah right and he knows exactly what is going on.

Oh, I know, like when Congress and everyone and their mother signed up
to attack Iraq based on WMD (which weren't there) and we were solemnly
told that they had ALL seen the intelligence that was presented to
them and they all agreed that it was TRUE!

Nope, they were lied to. The "evidence" was cherrypicked, massaged and
made up up by overseas sources and that is why Dr David Kelly was
murdered and Valerie Plame was outed as CIA for point out it was all a
lie.

HW

[Big Muddy]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
Yeah right and he knows exactly what is going on.
Oh, I know, like when Congress and everyone and their mother signed up
to attack Iraq based on WMD (which weren't there)

Yes they were; they were trucked out to Syria, you lying shitbag!

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 10:18:25 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
who is running NSA?

Usually a retired soldier of some kind.

Incumbent
Admiral Michael S. Rogers, USN
since April 2, 2014

Post by Bill
The appointment is made directly by the president.

Fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency

According to 10 U.S.C. § 201 of the United States Code, the
DIRNSA/CHCSS/CDRUSCYBERCOM is recommended by the Secretary of Defense
and nominated for appointment by the President. The nominee must be
confirmed via majority vote by the Senate. In accordance with Department
of Defense Directive 5100.20, dated December 23, 1971, the Director of
the NSA must always be a commissioned officer of the military services.
Because the assignment is currently part of a tri-hatted position, the
Director of the NSA is appointed to the grade of a four-star general or
admiral during the period of his incumbency. The Deputy Director is
always a technically experienced civilian

[Big Muddy]

Yes, but having seen who is running the US Department of State, Cheney's
Neocons, who is running NSA?
HW

Are you an absolute moron?

Cheney has been gone for 6 years!

Sorry, you'll have to drop the dime on Obama, fool.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Big Muddy

Yes, but having seen who is running the US Department of State, Cheney's
Neocons, who is running NSA?
HW

Are you an absolute moron?
Cheney has been gone for 6 years!
Sorry, you'll have to drop the dime on Obama, fool.

No, Obama has no real foreign policy and left it all to Bush and
Cheney leftovers in the State Department. You do know that Victoria
Nuland is married to the notorious Bob Kagan of PNAC fame don't you???
The place is Neocon Central.

HW

[Big Muddy]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Big Muddy

Yes, but having seen who is running the US Department of State, Cheney's
Neocons, who is running NSA?
HW

Are you an absolute moron?
Cheney has been gone for 6 years!
Sorry, you'll have to drop the dime on Obama, fool.

No, Obama has no real foreign policy

We can agree on that.

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
and left it all to Bush and Cheney
leftovers in the State Department.

Nope.

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
You do know that Victoria Nuland is
married to the notorious Bob Kagan of PNAC fame don't you???
The place is Neocon Central.
HW

So much so that Hillary tells us:

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”

You're blinded by your hatred for conservatives.

Hint - Obama isn't.

He works his hate.

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill
Is it just possible that NSA only spies on people it thinks may be a
threat to the USA?

Yes, it may be.

Post by Bill
Or, even more likely, it only spies on people its masters tell it
to...

If they're like our IRS, of course!

[Bollocky William]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

I think I saw something here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ but
I couldn't be arsed to trawl through it all again. Private Eye also
ran something similar recently but to many of us it is all old hat.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

I think I saw something here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ but
I couldn't be arsed to trawl through it all again. Private Eye also
ran something similar recently but to many of us it is all old hat.

Really? You are pointing at a giant warehouse and saying
"look in there, there is something in there, but we're all bored by it"?

Seriously?

There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

Simple fact.

HW

[Bollocky William]

On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:38:57 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

I think I saw something here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ but
I couldn't be arsed to trawl through it all again. Private Eye also
ran something similar recently but to many of us it is all old hat.

Really? You are pointing at a giant warehouse and saying
"look in there, there is something in there, but we're all bored by it"?
Seriously?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.
Simple fact.

Come on man. Many of us expected this anyhow. A lot of us would
consider our security services a waste of money if they were not
spying on us. We may prefer a world where this didn't happen but most
of us are grown up and I for one think much of what has been released
by Snowden and the others could well be planted to enrage us so much
we do not look elsewhere for what is happening to our data. If
Snowden's stuff was that damaging he would have been killed long
before he leaked anything damaging. The biggest part of spying is the
planting of disinformation and that is possibly what Snowden is
leaking. I would expect Snowden was spied on himself long before he
went walk about if what he is saying is true. I would expect the
greatest thing that has been achieved right now is to get many people
to encript everything. That narrows the target the spooks have to
seach.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bollocky William
On Wed, 25 Jun 2014 11:38:57 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bill "The Rapist" Shorten
On Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:41:27 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

I think I saw something here https://firstlook.org/theintercept/ but
I couldn't be arsed to trawl through it all again. Private Eye also
ran something similar recently but to many of us it is all old hat.

Really? You are pointing at a giant warehouse and saying
"look in there, there is something in there, but we're all bored by it"?
Seriously?
There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.
Simple fact.

Come on man. Many of us expected this anyhow. A lot of us would
consider our security services a waste of money if they were not
spying on us.

Did you mourn Stalin's passing too?

We may prefer a world where this didn't happen but most

Post by Bollocky William
of us are grown up and I for one think much of what has been released
by Snowden and the others could well be planted to enrage us so much
we do not look elsewhere for what is happening to our data.

That may be true.

If

Post by Bollocky William
Snowden's stuff was that damaging he would have been killed long
before he leaked anything damaging. The biggest part of spying is the
planting of disinformation and that is possibly what Snowden is
leaking. I would expect Snowden was spied on himself long before he
went walk about if what he is saying is true. I would expect the
greatest thing that has been achieved right now is to get many people
to encript everything. That narrows the target the spooks have to
seach.

Maybe but speculation.

HW

[Bert]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Unless you've had access to all of Snowden's materials, you have no idea
what's in them other than the tiny bit that's been talked about in the
media.

And, the tiny bit that's been talked about in the media isn't even all
the data that's been made available to them.

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Bert

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Unless you've had access to all of Snowden's materials, you have no idea
what's in them other than the tiny bit that's been talked about in the
media.

There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

Post by Bert
And, the tiny bit that's been talked about in the media isn't even all
the data that's been made available to them.

Quite so. So since there is something about many others, there is
another elephant in the room with regards to what is NOT mentioned.

ESPECIALLY since it was stated that one of the topics of interest to
the NSA was the relationships between members of Congress and Israel.

That is apparently the only thing that freaked Congress out when they
started paying attention.

Yet, no mention by Snowden, Greenwald or Wikileaks...

HW

[Scotch Mule.]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bert

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Unless you've had access to all of Snowden's materials, you have no
idea what's in them other than the tiny bit that's been talked about in
the media.

There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

Post by Bert
And, the tiny bit that's been talked about in the media isn't even all
the data that's been made available to them.

Quite so. So since there is something about many others, there is
another elephant in the room with regards to what is NOT mentioned.
ESPECIALLY since it was stated that one of the topics of interest to the
NSA was the relationships between members of Congress and Israel.
That is apparently the only thing that freaked Congress out when they
started paying attention.
Yet, no mention by Snowden, Greenwald or Wikileaks...
HW

Well I think there must be herds of ghostly elephants about the place
somewhere, shadows or sylphs,, (skellingtons in tha hunners o global
cupboards) our world that once was is no longer the same ,,
or to put it in a more orthodox manner,, we are only presented with the
tip of the iceberg..

Though to many (incredibly)it may appear to be so...

I agreee,, the observable commonalities to be seen in msm, beit omissions
or shared themes are of interest,,

Dare one explore,,
ok on a safe theme here,, tobacco and smoking,,
almost universally a very large part of the globe has come down on this
undeniable unhealthy habit,, well whoopeedoo ,, There is an easily
justifiable cause for nations and media to act in concert,,
It may have come about by a WHO directive or push,, I've not got a perfect
memory,, but I explored this topic a while ago,, and seem to remember
China Russia USA Israel Arabs Africans UK and Oz,, all acting in a global
concert,, which I thought was rather odd at the time..
The push to stop smoking seems to be taken up, almost universally.
Maybe not a bad thing,, it is that so many act together I find
interesting..

...

Yeah i've just been watching
Julian Assange here,,
He mentions Greenwall and Bradley Manning. and discusses the media..
i found the video rather tiresome at times but Assange's remarks,
were of interest and pertinent to topic.

Assange warns of Information Apartheid & Encompassing State: “This is the
Last Free Generation”


http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/information-encompassing-generation.html

..........

But what about allo thame ghostlet nellies..

dare one explore a ghostly path allotho dead nellies are ahauntin...


Here is one idea off my own bat,,

I often find RT refreshing to watch, Max and Stacey are fun , but it
is still, just another media station, albeit, with a Russian point of
view,, it does still share commonalities or elephants, with the rest of
MSM..

Curious situation innit..

...

Anyway,, Bammy was over in Brussles a while ago and commented that thame
EUies need to contribute more to global security,, some are juss
freeloading under the usa global security brolly...

Recent news from Rt reports a BNP Paribas (French Bank) is to be fined
fined 9 billion.. for abuse of sanctions,,

RT reported that the French considered this huge fine as being unfair
and a kneejerk response to their supplying some old boats tae Russia..

http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2014/06/russiatoday-
breaking-bank-french-bnp-paribas-to-pay-record-high-fine-for-violating-us-
sanctions-2597196.html

...

Ma sniffer issa twichin so it is..

..

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Scotch Mule.

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Bert

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Unless you've had access to all of Snowden's materials, you have no
idea what's in them other than the tiny bit that's been talked about in
the media.

There is nothing about Israel in ANY Snowden source that has been made
available to the public via Greenwald or Wikileaks.

Post by Bert
And, the tiny bit that's been talked about in the media isn't even all
the data that's been made available to them.

Quite so. So since there is something about many others, there is
another elephant in the room with regards to what is NOT mentioned.
ESPECIALLY since it was stated that one of the topics of interest to the
NSA was the relationships between members of Congress and Israel.
That is apparently the only thing that freaked Congress out when they
started paying attention.
Yet, no mention by Snowden, Greenwald or Wikileaks...
HW

Well I think there must be herds of ghostly elephants about the place
somewhere, shadows or sylphs,, (skellingtons in tha hunners o global
cupboards) our world that once was is no longer the same ,,
or to put it in a more orthodox manner,, we are only presented with the
tip of the iceberg..

Quite probably so.

Post by Scotch Mule.
Though to many (incredibly)it may appear to be so...
I agreee,, the observable commonalities to be seen in msm, beit omissions
or shared themes are of interest,,
Dare one explore,,
ok on a safe theme here,, tobacco and smoking,,
almost universally a very large part of the globe has come down on this
undeniable unhealthy habit,, well whoopeedoo ,, There is an easily
justifiable cause for nations and media to act in concert,,
It may have come about by a WHO directive or push,, I've not got a perfect
memory,, but I explored this topic a while ago,, and seem to remember
China Russia USA Israel Arabs Africans UK and Oz,, all acting in a global
concert,, which I thought was rather odd at the time..
The push to stop smoking seems to be taken up, almost universally.
Maybe not a bad thing,, it is that so many act together I find
interesting..

Interesting attempt at top redirection/misdirection.
What next, used car parts?

Post by Scotch Mule.
...
Yeah i've just been watching
Julian Assange here,,
He mentions Greenwall and Bradley Manning. and discusses the media..
i found the video rather tiresome at times but Assange's remarks,
were of interest and pertinent to topic.
Assange warns of Information Apartheid & Encompassing State: “This is the
Last Free Generation”
http://www.juancole.com/2013/12/information-encompassing-generation.html
..........
But what about allo thame ghostlet nellies..
dare one explore a ghostly path allotho dead nellies are ahauntin...
Here is one idea off my own bat,,
I often find RT refreshing to watch, Max and Stacey are fun , but it
is still, just another media station, albeit, with a Russian point of
view,, it does still share commonalities or elephants, with the rest of
MSM..
Curious situation innit..
...
Anyway,, Bammy was over in Brussles a while ago and commented that thame
EUies need to contribute more to global security,, some are juss
freeloading under the usa global security brolly...
Recent news from Rt reports a BNP Paribas (French Bank) is to be fined
fined 9 billion.. for abuse of sanctions,,
RT reported that the French considered this huge fine as being unfair
and a kneejerk response to their supplying some old boats tae Russia..
http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2014/06/russiatoday-
breaking-bank-french-bnp-paribas-to-pay-record-high-fine-for-violating-us-
sanctions-2597196.html
...
Ma sniffer issa twichin so it is..

A lot of change of topic stuff here, not too subtly either.

HW

[Big Muddy]

Post by Scotch Mule.
Yeah i've just been watching
Julian Assange here

Good God man, develop some critical reasoning!

[Scotch Mule.]

Post by Big Muddy

Yeah i've just been watching Julian Assange here

Good God man, develop some critical reasoning!

I have personal experience of the surveillance state

I lived that some time ago,, dont if it ever stopped,,

theme folks do not understand the damafge they do,,

leaving a trail of life sentences behind them ,,

looking for the next victim..


Jeeso the new tech age of survielliance,,

trouser sniffers wqet dream was it not,,

,,,

If you would like to offer up your
recommended viewing ..

I am open minded enough to check it out..

Meanwhile,, Here is anuther Jullian Assange link,,

Goan ya loon ..

Tell me sumpthin believable I doanknow,,

..

Show me the way ,,

I am open to suggestion which i will consider,,

on merit

..............

[Scotch Mule.]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

,,,

I remebered something about raw data to Israel,,


Does this help.


http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/intelligence-citizens-chamberlain.html

US NSA Gives Israel Raw Intelligence on US Citizens (Chamberlain)
By Juan Cole | Sep. 12, 2013 |
Jacob Chamberlain writes at Commondreams.org
The National Security Agency openly shares unfiltered intelligence files
with the Israeli

government, according to a classified document leaked to the Guardian

newspaper by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.



,,,,

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Scotch Mule.

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...
HW

,,,
I remebered something about raw data to Israel,,
Does this help.
http://www.juancole.com/2013/09/intelligence-citizens-chamberlain.html
US NSA Gives Israel Raw Intelligence on US Citizens (Chamberlain)
By Juan Cole | Sep. 12, 2013 |
Jacob Chamberlain writes at Commondreams.org
The National Security Agency openly shares unfiltered intelligence files
with the Israeli
government, according to a classified document leaked to the Guardian
newspaper by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.
,,,,

Thats not the same as the general content of the Snowden and Wikileaks
leaks. That is merely INT sharing. Nothing specific about who or what
or about anything of note.

HW

[Big Muddy]

Jacob Chamberlain writes at Commonwhores.org

Leftard bullshit.

[Snow_Flower]

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

[ColdWarDinosaur]

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

HW

[Bill]

On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..

Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

She who lied and told Congress:

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”

No thanks.

[Bill]

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

[Big Muddy]

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

[Bill]

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Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

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Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

[Big Muddy]

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Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

[Bill]

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Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

[Big Muddy]

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Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

Sod off, swampy.

Tend to your own nation's politics.

[Bill]

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Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

Sod off, swampy.
Tend to your own nation's politics.

She's still gonna win.

[Big Muddy]

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Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

Sod off, swampy.
Tend to your own nation's politics.

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.

Capisce?

[Bill]

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Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

Sod off, swampy.
Tend to your own nation's politics.

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

She's still gonna win...

[Big Muddy]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill

Post by Big Muddy

Post by Bill
On Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:24:16 -0400, ColdWarDinosaur

Post by ColdWarDinosaur

Post by Snow_Flower

Post by ColdWarDinosaur
There is buggerall about Israel and its relationships or discussions
with anyone or anything of note...

Israel desires little from the USA. Also Israel is increasingly giving
the USA the "finger" in relation to its demands.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/facebook-page-kill-a-terrorist-every-hour-teens-are-held/

Netanyahu has Masada Complex.

He managed to stand off Obama's lunatic foreign policy until it all
crashed down in a welter of blood and fanatical Islam..
Now all he has to do is hang on until Mrs Clinton takes over...

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it
because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night
decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
make?”
No thanks.

She's gonna win, live with it...

You are in no position to say, nor would the invocations of a
rotten-toothed limey be of the slightest value here.

She's still gonna win...

Your delusion of clairvoyance noted...and dismissed...

She's still gonna win...

Sod off, swampy.
Tend to your own nation's politics.

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

She

You don't learn easily, do you, Brit troll?

[White Spirit]

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

[Big Muddy]

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

[White Spirit]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

We'd all be watching and laughing. It's nothing we haven't done to Sour
Billy Black in the past.

[Big Muddy]

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

We'd all be watching and laughing. It's nothing we haven't done to Sour
Billy Black in the past.

Ah well then, perhaps I'm best served by letting you lot handle your own
rubbish then, yeah?

The obligatory nationalist sniping really only serves to polarize anyway.

[White Spirit]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

We'd all be watching and laughing. It's nothing we haven't done to Sour
Billy Black in the past.

Ah well then, perhaps I'm best served by letting you lot handle your own
rubbish then, yeah?

We're certainly used to getting our hands dirty.

Post by Big Muddy
The obligatory nationalist sniping really only serves to polarize anyway.

That has its advantages.

[Big Muddy]

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

We'd all be watching and laughing. It's nothing we haven't done to Sour
Billy Black in the past.

Ah well then, perhaps I'm best served by letting you lot handle your own
rubbish then, yeah?

We're certainly used to getting our hands dirty.

I've no doubt you are, and that's a bloody shame too.

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy
The obligatory nationalist sniping really only serves to polarize anyway.

That has its advantages.

Well the flamage becomes the message after a time, which is utterly
beside the point.

Your posts however are blessedly devoid of froth and self-immolation.

And that's appreciated.

[Osric]

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy

She's

You have been warned, do not make me interested in spanking you, because
it will be a lengthy and group-ruining process.
Capisce?

Take it from me, it will be an immensely enjoyable process.

Lol, I don't mean to pollute your group in the process, certainly you've
done nothing personally to court such flamage...

We'd all be watching and laughing. It's nothing we haven't done to Sour
Billy Black in the past.

Ah well then, perhaps I'm best served by letting you lot handle your own
rubbish then, yeah?

We're certainly used to getting our hands dirty.

I've no doubt you are, and that's a bloody shame too.

Post by White Spirit

Post by Big Muddy
The obligatory nationalist sniping really only serves to polarize anyway.

That has its advantages.

Well the flamage becomes the message after a time, which is utterly
beside the point.
Your posts however are blessedly devoid of froth and self-immolation.
And that's appreciated.

Get a room...