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Feminists Clash with Transgenders at London Pride Parade

We told you it would happen, and it finally has. Conservatives long
predicted that feminism and transgenderism were ultimately incompatible, but
for a long time it seemed like the LGBT movement might just hold them
together. Well, on Saturday that movement burst open, as lesbians led the
parade in attacking transgenderism.

"Transactivism Erases Lesbians!" read a banner that temporarily led the
Pride in London march in the heart of Britain's capital.

This banner naturally caused quite a stir, with London Mayor Sadiq Khan
denouncing it in a statement. "Pride is about celebrating difference and
London's amazing LGBT+ community," Khan's spokesperson told PinkNews. "It's
about showing those round the world that in our great city you can be free
to be whoever you want to be and love whoever you want to love. The vast
majority of those present at today's march respected and embraced that and
the Mayor condemns the tiny minority who did not."

Who is that "tiny minority?" The final statement made it clear: "Transphobia
is never acceptable."

While Khan was meant to lead the march, he ended up stuck behind the group
"Get the L Out," a lesbian organization dedicated to separating lesbian
identity from transgender identity. They started demanding that activists
take the "T" out of "LGBT," but settled for opting out themselves, demanding
the "L" be removed.


Pride in London, the group behind the parade, gave various explanations for
allowing "Get the L Out" to lead the way. An earlier statement suggested the
organizations allowed the lesbian group, supporting their intent to protest.
"As we found in our recent Pride Matters report, 24% of people say a Pride
is protest. 78% said it was a celebration," a spokesperson said.

In a second statement, the organizations pointed to the "hot weather" and a
concern for crowd's safety in allowing "Get the L Out" to lead the parade.
The organizers insisted they "do not condone" the group, although they did
not condemn the lesbians.

"Given the hot weather and in the interest of the safety of everyone
attending today's event, the parade group was allowed to move ahead," the
organizers said. "We do not condone their approach and message and hope the
actions of a very small number [of] people does not overshadow the messages
of the 30,000 people marching today."

Many activists have called for the organizers to resign. "I am appalled that
transphobic protesters were allowed to lead the march and the crowd asked to
cheer them on," LGBT+ Lib Dems. Chair Jennie Rigg said. "This is a betrayal
of the thousands marching. The Pride organizers should resign and offer a
full apology."



Others attacked the sign on Twitter.





So, why do Jennie Rigg and Sadie Khan consider "Take the L Out" so
"transphobic?" They disagree with transgender activism, but with an
interesting twist. They're not just the run-of-the-mill feminists
complaining about biological males usurping the title of feminism. No, they
accuse transgender activists of promoting conversion therapy and rape
culture.


According to their website, "Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and
feminist individuals and organizations, opposing the increasingly
anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians."

Yes, "Get the L Out" believes that transgenderism means erasing lesbians,
and they've actually got a very good point.

"Get the L Out" opposes "trans politics" because they promote "the social
transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus
favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism - this is nothing
more than a form of conversion therapy."

In one move, this lesbian group has tied transgenderism to the most hated
bugbear among the gay community - the effort to reverse same-sex attraction
and destroy homosexual identity. Transgenderism encourages some lesbians to
"identify" as male, and as soon as they "transition" - assuming these
"ex"-women still like women - they're suddenly straight!

This isn't the only beef "Get the L Out" has with transgenderism, however.
According to the lesbians, the "T" involves promoting "the medical
transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone blockers,
Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy
bodies - these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians."

Indeed, transgender hormone "treatments" and the more drastic transgender
surgery have left people scarred, as they later rejected their cross-sex
identity. Max Robinson, a 21-year-old woman who once identified as a man,
regrets having taken male hormones and removing her breasts, calling such
"treatments" "not a cure at all."


Cross-sex hormones for those who have already gone through puberty carry
serious health risks. While the longterm medical and psychological effects
remain unknown, testosterone in biological females increases the chance of
developing ovarian cysts later in life. Testosterone in biological females
will cause irreversible deepening of the voice and augmentation of the
clitoris.


Finally, "Get the L Out" charged that transgender activism "promotes the
right of heterosexual males who 'identify' as women and lesbians (despite
most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of
lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new 'queer' LGBT politics
thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes
heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian sex."

"This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory heterosexuality,"
the lesbians declared.


This may be the most interesting charge. Because transgender activism pushes
the idea that biological males with penises can identify as women, it
follows that these "trans women" with penises can want to have sex with real
women and consider themselves lesbian.

Transgender activism has also involved stigmatizing people who want to have
sex with "cisgender" people. A preference for biological women over
"transgender women" or a preference for biological men over "transgender
men" is considered "transphobic."

Thus, when a biological man - who still has a penis! - "identifies" as a
transgender woman and wants to have sex with a lesbian, it would be
considered transphobic for that lesbian to refuse ... on the grounds that he
is a man.

This creates the hilariously ironic situation that the L in LGBT is
fundamentally at odds with the T in LGBT, and cannot be reconciled. A
lesbian who has sex with a "trans woman" - i.e. a biological male with a
penis who identifies as a woman - has arguably become straight. But if she
refuses sex for that reason, she is "transphobic."

Or in the words of "Get the L Out," "The trans movement with the complicity
of 'queer' LGBT politics is coercing lesbians to have sex with men. We
firmly condemn this vicious form of lesbophobia disguised as progress."

In order to preserve lesbianism, these women are marching against
transgenderism.

Under "What We Believe," the lesbians made some rather powerful statements
against transgenderism. "We oppose the transition of young lesbians on the
basis that their appearances or behaviour does not conform to socially
accepted images of women. Having short hair and disliking pink is not a sign
of having a male brain and does not mean one requires transition," they
wrote.

Then there's this: "The trans movement is a conservative movement which
reinforces sexist sex stereotypes." Yes, yes, I know, transgenderism is a
racial Leftist push against reality and DNA, but bear with these lesbians
for a moment.

Feminism has often pushed back against "gender stereotypes." Transgenderism,
by contrast, encourages those who identify with the stereotypes of the
gender opposite their biological sex to take that identity as gospel truth
and "transition" into a person of the opposite sex. This goes against
biology, but it also goes against the idea that women should not fear their
femininity just because they don't like

But the most malicious part of transgenderism may be the danger it poses to
women. "Take the L Out" had one strong demand: "We demand stronger sex-based
protections for women and girls and that women maintain the right to
sex-segregated spaces at the exclusion of male regardless of their
'identity.'"


This echoed the complaint that transgender acceptance allows men to enter
women's restrooms and changing rooms, a voyeur phenomenon that has been
documented at Targets across America.

LGBT activists in England have attacked the lesbians as "transphobic," but
they bring up excellent complaints that should resonate with feminists
across the globe. Transgenderism and feminism - and even transgenderism and
lesbianism - are not compatible. No matter how much LGBT activists insist on
keeping their acronym together, the fissures are starting to show.

Conservatives should stand up and articulate an alternative understanding of
sexuality and gender that conforms with biology and makes sense of an
increasingly out-of-control sexual revolution. If the people start waking
up, they will need voices to listen to.
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: Feminists Clash with Transgenders at London Pride Parade
:
: We told you it would happen, and it finally has. Conservatives long
: predicted that feminism and transgenderism were ultimately incompatible,
but
: for a long time it seemed like the LGBT movement might just hold them
: together. Well, on Saturday that movement burst open, as lesbians led the
: parade in attacking transgenderism.
:
: "Transactivism Erases Lesbians!" read a banner that temporarily led the
: Pride in London march in the heart of Britain's capital.
:
: This banner naturally caused quite a stir, with London Mayor Sadiq Khan
: denouncing it in a statement. "Pride is about celebrating difference and
: London's amazing LGBT+ community," Khan's spokesperson told PinkNews.
"It's
: about showing those round the world that in our great city you can be free
: to be whoever you want to be and love whoever you want to love. The vast
: majority of those present at today's march respected and embraced that and
: the Mayor condemns the tiny minority who did not."
:
: Who is that "tiny minority?" The final statement made it clear:
"Transphobia
: is never acceptable."
:
: While Khan was meant to lead the march, he ended up stuck behind the group
: "Get the L Out," a lesbian organization dedicated to separating lesbian
: identity from transgender identity. They started demanding that activists
: take the "T" out of "LGBT," but settled for opting out themselves,
demanding
: the "L" be removed.
:
:
: Pride in London, the group behind the parade, gave various explanations
for
: allowing "Get the L Out" to lead the way. An earlier statement suggested
the
: organizations allowed the lesbian group, supporting their intent to
protest.
: "As we found in our recent Pride Matters report, 24% of people say a Pride
: is protest. 78% said it was a celebration," a spokesperson said.
:
: In a second statement, the organizations pointed to the "hot weather" and
a
: concern for crowd's safety in allowing "Get the L Out" to lead the parade.
: The organizers insisted they "do not condone" the group, although they did
: not condemn the lesbians.
:
: "Given the hot weather and in the interest of the safety of everyone
: attending today's event, the parade group was allowed to move ahead," the
: organizers said. "We do not condone their approach and message and hope
the
: actions of a very small number [of] people does not overshadow the
messages
: of the 30,000 people marching today."
:
: Many activists have called for the organizers to resign. "I am appalled
that
: transphobic protesters were allowed to lead the march and the crowd asked
to
: cheer them on," LGBT+ Lib Dems. Chair Jennie Rigg said. "This is a
betrayal
: of the thousands marching. The Pride organizers should resign and offer a
: full apology."
:
:
:
: Others attacked the sign on Twitter.
:
:
:
:
:
: So, why do Jennie Rigg and Sadie Khan consider "Take the L Out" so
: "transphobic?" They disagree with transgender activism, but with an
: interesting twist. They're not just the run-of-the-mill feminists
: complaining about biological males usurping the title of feminism. No,
they
: accuse transgender activists of promoting conversion therapy and rape
: culture.
:
:
: According to their website, "Get the L Out is a group of lesbian and
: feminist individuals and organizations, opposing the increasingly
: anti-lesbian and misogynistic LGBT movement and the erasure of lesbians."
:
: Yes, "Get the L Out" believes that transgenderism means erasing lesbians,
: and they've actually got a very good point.
:
: "Get the L Out" opposes "trans politics" because they promote "the social
: transition of lesbians, encouraging them to present as straight men thus
: favouring the pretence of heterosexuality over lesbianism - this is
nothing
: more than a form of conversion therapy."
:
: In one move, this lesbian group has tied transgenderism to the most hated
: bugbear among the gay community - the effort to reverse same-sex
attraction
: and destroy homosexual identity. Transgenderism encourages some lesbians
to
: "identify" as male, and as soon as they "transition" - assuming these
: "ex"-women still like women - they're suddenly straight!
:
: This isn't the only beef "Get the L Out" has with transgenderism, however.
: According to the lesbians, the "T" involves promoting "the medical
: transition of lesbians and pushes harmful drugs (untested hormone
blockers,
: Lupron etc.) as well as unnecessary medical practices on perfectly healthy
: bodies - these are a form of misogynist medical abuse against lesbians."
:
: Indeed, transgender hormone "treatments" and the more drastic transgender
: surgery have left people scarred, as they later rejected their cross-sex
: identity. Max Robinson, a 21-year-old woman who once identified as a man,
: regrets having taken male hormones and removing her breasts, calling such
: "treatments" "not a cure at all."
:
:
: Cross-sex hormones for those who have already gone through puberty carry
: serious health risks. While the longterm medical and psychological effects
: remain unknown, testosterone in biological females increases the chance of
: developing ovarian cysts later in life. Testosterone in biological females
: will cause irreversible deepening of the voice and augmentation of the
: clitoris.
:
:
: Finally, "Get the L Out" charged that transgender activism "promotes the
: right of heterosexual males who 'identify' as women and lesbians (despite
: most of them still retaining their male genitals) over the rights of
: lesbians to choose their sexual partners. This new 'queer' LGBT politics
: thus coerces lesbians to accept the penis as a female organ and promotes
: heterosexual intercourse between male and female as a form of lesbian
sex."
:
: "This is simply a new facet to rape culture and compulsory
heterosexuality,"
: the lesbians declared.
:
:
: This may be the most interesting charge. Because transgender activism
pushes
: the idea that biological males with penises can identify as women, it
: follows that these "trans women" with penises can want to have sex with
real
: women and consider themselves lesbian.
:
: Transgender activism has also involved stigmatizing people who want to
have
: sex with "cisgender" people. A preference for biological women over
: "transgender women" or a preference for biological men over "transgender
: men" is considered "transphobic."
:
: Thus, when a biological man - who still has a penis! - "identifies" as a
: transgender woman and wants to have sex with a lesbian, it would be
: considered transphobic for that lesbian to refuse ... on the grounds that
he
: is a man.
:
: This creates the hilariously ironic situation that the L in LGBT is
: fundamentally at odds with the T in LGBT, and cannot be reconciled. A
: lesbian who has sex with a "trans woman" - i.e. a biological male with a
: penis who identifies as a woman - has arguably become straight. But if she
: refuses sex for that reason, she is "transphobic."
:
: Or in the words of "Get the L Out," "The trans movement with the
complicity
: of 'queer' LGBT politics is coercing lesbians to have sex with men. We
: firmly condemn this vicious form of lesbophobia disguised as progress."
:
: In order to preserve lesbianism, these women are marching against
: transgenderism.
:
: Under "What We Believe," the lesbians made some rather powerful statements
: against transgenderism. "We oppose the transition of young lesbians on the
: basis that their appearances or behaviour does not conform to socially
: accepted images of women. Having short hair and disliking pink is not a
sign
: of having a male brain and does not mean one requires transition," they
: wrote.
:
: Then there's this: "The trans movement is a conservative movement which
: reinforces sexist sex stereotypes." Yes, yes, I know, transgenderism is a
: racial Leftist push against reality and DNA, but bear with these lesbians
: for a moment.
:
: Feminism has often pushed back against "gender stereotypes."
Transgenderism,
: by contrast, encourages those who identify with the stereotypes of the
: gender opposite their biological sex to take that identity as gospel truth
: and "transition" into a person of the opposite sex. This goes against
: biology, but it also goes against the idea that women should not fear
their
: femininity just because they don't like
:
: But the most malicious part of transgenderism may be the danger it poses
to
: women. "Take the L Out" had one strong demand: "We demand stronger
sex-based
: protections for women and girls and that women maintain the right to
: sex-segregated spaces at the exclusion of male regardless of their
: 'identity.'"
:
:
: This echoed the complaint that transgender acceptance allows men to enter
: women's restrooms and changing rooms, a voyeur phenomenon that has been
: documented at Targets across America.
:
: LGBT activists in England have attacked the lesbians as "transphobic," but
: they bring up excellent complaints that should resonate with feminists
: across the globe. Transgenderism and feminism - and even transgenderism
and
: lesbianism - are not compatible. No matter how much LGBT activists insist
on
: keeping their acronym together, the fissures are starting to show.
:
: Conservatives should stand up and articulate an alternative understanding
of
: sexuality and gender that conforms with biology and makes sense of an
: increasingly out-of-control sexual revolution. If the people start waking
: up, they will need voices to listen to.
:
:
:
:

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